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The New York Times, true to its Duranty tradition of obfuscating in the face of terror, tells us that the Thug-In-Chief didn't really mean it, oh no. He was just quoting "ancient" (i.e., Khomeini era) texts and expressing a wish, but of course Iran -- as the illustrious Juan Cole assures us -- hasn't attacked anyone in over a century, and therefore it won't, don't you see?
"Just How Far Did They Go, Those Words Against Israel?," from the increasingly execrable New Duranty Times, with thanks to Gabrielle Goldwater:
EVER since he spoke at an anti-Zionism conference in Tehran last October, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran has been known for one statement above all. As translated by news agencies at the time, it was that Israel "should be wiped off the map." Iran's nuclear program and sponsorship of militant Muslim groups are rarely mentioned without reference to the infamous map remark.Here, for example, is R. Nicholas Burns, the under secretary of state for political affairs, recently: "Given the radical nature of Iran under Ahmadinejad and its stated wish to wipe Israel off the map of the world, it is entirely unconvincing that we could or should live with a nuclear Iran."
But is that what Mr. Ahmadinejad said? And if so, was it a threat of war? For months, a debate among Iran specialists over both questions has been intensifying. It starts as a dispute over translating Persian but quickly turns on whether the United States (with help from Israel) is doing to Iran what some believe it did to Iraq — building a case for military action predicated on a faulty premise.
"Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to wipe Israel off the map because no such idiom exists in Persian," remarked Juan Cole, a Middle East specialist at the University of Michigan and critic of American policy who has argued that the Iranian president was misquoted. "He did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse." Since Iran has not "attacked another country aggressively for over a century," he said in an e-mail exchange, "I smell the whiff of war propaganda."
Jonathan Steele, a columnist for the left-leaning Guardian newspaper in London, recently laid out the case this way: "The Iranian president was quoting an ancient statement by Iran's first Islamist leader, the late Ayatollah Khomeini, that 'this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time,' just as the Shah's regime in Iran had vanished. He was not making a military threat. He was calling for an end to the occupation of Jerusalem at some point in the future. The 'page of time' phrase suggests he did not expect it to happen soon."
Mr. Steele added that neither Khomeini nor Mr. Ahmadinejad suggested that Israel's "vanishing" was imminent or that Iran would be involved in bringing it about. "But the propaganda damage was done," he wrote, "and Western hawks bracket the Iranian president with Hitler as though he wants to exterminate Jews."
If Mr. Steele and Mr. Cole are right, not one word of the quotation — Israel should be wiped off the map — is accurate.
But translators in Tehran who work for the president's office and the foreign ministry disagree with them. All official translations of Mr. Ahmadinejad's statement, including a description of it on his Web site (www.president.ir/eng/), refer to wiping Israel away. Sohrab Mahdavi, one of Iran's most prominent translators, and Siamak Namazi, managing director of a Tehran consulting firm, who is bilingual, both say "wipe off" or "wipe away" is more accurate than "vanish" because the Persian verb is active and transitive.
Then why isn't this story about the impenetrable, crystalline willful ignorance and dhimmitude of analysts like Cole and Steele?
Posted by Robert at June 19, 2006 8:21 AM
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Ahmadinejad must be so confident that he feels like he's 4 feet tall.
at June 19, 2006 8:49 AM
"Cole and Steele" - what a sinister coupling. Not only echos of "cold steel", but worse, the European Coal and Steel Community, the forerunner of the execrable European Union.
Did Messrs Cold Steel go out of their way to explain away Bush's use of "crusade" as mere rhetoric, which it clearly was?
Sohrab Mahdavi, one of Iran's most prominent translators, and Siamak Namazi, managing director of a Tehran consulting firm, who is bilingual, both say "wipe off" or "wipe away" is more accurate than "vanish" because the Persian verb is active and transitive.
Active and transitive it is, then, in my book. Not that there was much of a doubt, but this didn't stop the cold steelers sticking the knife in.
at June 19, 2006 9:14 AM
I guess Ahmadinejad's hench-thingy also didn't mean what he said (which was the same as what his boss said) either.
New Duranty Times is far too kind an appellation to bestow on these hopelessly useful idiots.
Posted by: waterdragon52
at June 19, 2006 10:22 AM
OT sorry. I wonder if anyone can tell me the correct pronunciation of dhimmi? I've been pronouncing it "dimmy" but I'm not sure if that's correct, or not. Thanks.
at June 19, 2006 11:32 AM
The same pacificstic Iran (did the article not mention that under Shi'i Islam offensive jihad is forbidden until the return of the occulted 12th Imam?) that was behind the bombing in 1994 of that bastion of Zionist military strength, the Argentine Israelite Mutual Association in Buenos Aires? The same Iran that funds Hezbollah and was caught sending a shipment of arms to the Palestinians? The Iran whose "moderate" candidate for president, Rafsanjani, fantasized that a nuclear strike against Israel would be cost-effective since the "world of Islam" would only suffer some damage while Israel would be wiped off the map?
Posted by: emperor_diocletian
at June 19, 2006 11:46 AM
OT sorry. I wonder if anyone can tell me the correct pronunciation of dhimmi? I've been pronouncing it "dimmy" but I'm not sure if that's correct, or not. Thanks.
Posted by: USAFan [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 19, 2006 11:32 AM
I myself pronounce with a 'D" at the begining, but I have heard some people using 'Zhimmi'.
Posted by: km
at June 19, 2006 11:55 AM
Yes Km, that is what I've heard too...(zimmy or dimmy) which one? I've googled it to death, and I still can't find a definitive answer. I figured this site would know for sure. Anyone....please?
at June 19, 2006 12:37 PM
The media has gone from passively not telling us what is going on in the world, to actively misinforming us about what is going on in the world.
Ahmadinejad's words were not vague diplomatic-speak, subject to interpretation. They were quite clear, spoken on several occasions, and backed up by others in his administration. The NY Times' article is pure propoganda, with no basis in reality.
Posted by: special_guest
at June 19, 2006 1:42 PM
Gee--it was all JUST A MISTAKE!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: pythagoras
at June 19, 2006 1:51 PM
If Amadinejad had said it only once, it might have been construed as a mistake. But he's said it toooooo many times to be misunderstood. He's been saying what he means.
Posted by: freewoman
at June 19, 2006 2:37 PM
How about using the popular word from terroristic South American politics, and simply say that Mahoumoud and the mad mullahs want Israel to be among the "vanished", or the "disappeared".
Or perhaps a Stalin era word works best:
"Liquidated".
Ahmadinejad is a lunatic. Letting his ilk get their hands on the engines of the apocalypse will bring only disaster.
But, maybe the NYT thinks that such a calamity will increase their circulation?
Posted by: profitsbeard
at June 19, 2006 5:56 PM
Essentially, the NYTimes --heirs of walter duranty-- is an enemy of civilization and has been for many years, like its British counterparts, the Guardian and Independent. Try this as a working hypothesis about the NYT and the rest falls into place.
Posted by: Eliyahu
at June 20, 2006 5:59 AM
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