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June 20, 2006

"Informed, honest debate on the Middle East has been stifled because..."

From the Jerusalem Post: "Islam Channel sponsors anti-Zionist debate in London"

LONDON - Informed, honest debate on the Middle East has been stifled because of a fear of being accused of anti-Semitism, according to the participants in a discussion hosted by the Islam Channel in central London on Thursday. The broadcaster is the largest Islamic television outlet in Europe.

For "Zionism," substitute "jihad" (and "jihadists" for "Zionists"). For "anti-Semitism," substitute "Islamophobia." Much better.

The discussion, titled: "Why anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism," was filmed against a backdrop reading "Zionism: The cancer at the heart of international affairs."
The discussion was chaired by Alan Hart, a former ITN and BBC correspondent whose latest book, "Zionism: The real enemy of the Jews" was recently published. He said, "The anti-Semitism card is something the Zionists have exploited to suppress debate."
He said the mainstream media had concealed "the truth of history" out of fear of offending Jews and thanked CEO Mohammed Ali of the Islam Channel for "his courage in widening the debate."
[...]
"The propaganda they use, the Melanie Phillips version [a Jewish journalist for The Daily Mail], is that Israel faces annihilation and fears being pushed into the sea," Hart said. He said this was a myth.

Posted by Marisol at June 20, 2006 5:51 AM
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methinks alan hart is a Nazi. I say that without apology. By the way, I don't use the term "antisemitism," but Judeophobia.

Indeed, the truth of history has been concealed. But this has been done mostly IN FAVOR OF Arab and Muslim causes.

Further, the UK has favored the Arabs in Israel [and elsewhere] since the 1920s, although the self-styled "anti-imperialists" do not want to see this or are incapable of seeing this, since most of today's "Left" is a manipulated pack of Pavlovian hounds.

Posted by: Eliyahu [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 20, 2006 6:03 AM

Hart is just upset that Melanie Phillips's book, Londonistan, is going to be a blockbuster that upsets the applecart of his Islam Channel hosts.

Imagine if a Jewish broadcaster convened a parallel event as Marisol modestly proposes above.

I can tell you that when the Ontario wing of the big Canadian civil service union, CUPE, passed its shameful motion recommeneding divestment from Israel, a blogger named Eric Lee, who provides web development consulting to trade unions, blogged the following tongue-in-cheek entry. I think it says it all very well:

Unions: Don't boycott Palestine

The decisions by major unions in the UK and Canada yesterday to promote peace in the Middle East by encouraging boycotts have come in for a lot of criticism. But I want to understand the reasons behind the decisions by the National Association of Teachers in Further and Higher Education (NATFHE) and the Ontario section of the Canadian Union of Public Employees (CUPE) to boycott Palestinian products and academics.

The Canadian union's Ontario branch called for a policy of boycotts, divestment and sanctions against the Palestinian Authority until it recognises the Jewish people's "right to self-determination".

The election victory for Hamas, which rejects the Oslo accords, the road map, the 1947 UN partition plan and basically every other suggestion of ways in which Israelis and Arabs can live together side by side is a worthy target for the Canadian unionists.

And they've really hit the nail on the head by singling out this issue of recognising the other side's rights. Israel under Ben Gurion accepted the UN partition plan back in 1947 and most Israeli governments right up to the present day have agreed to one form of compromise or another -- most recently the complete withdrawal of all settlers and soldiers from Gaza. In the face of one side's refusal to recognize the other's right to exist, I can see where those Canadian unionists were coming from.

The election victory of Hamas, with its steadfast refusal to recognise Israel, is central to understanding what has happened.

In case anyone missed this point, NATFHE resolved as follows: "Conference notes the victory of HAMAS in the free, democratic and non-violent elections for the Palestinian Authority." So it's pretty clear that the call for a boycott is in direct response to the Palestinian decision to turn away from the peace process, such as it was.

After all, we wouldn't call for a boycott of a country which had just elected a government committed to ending the conflict, territorial compromise, and so on. Boycotts are a weapon of last resort and we use them only against regimes like Hamas -- or South Africa under apartheid.

Both the Canadian and British unions alike compared Palestine to South Africa, which has triggered some criticism. Obviously, the comparison will not be exact, but I can see where they are coming from.

After all, the central belief of the white racists in South Africa was that the races must live apart, and that one had greater rights than the other. This does describe Hamas' view of things fairly accurately. In societies where Islamic fundamentalist parties -- the sister movements to Hamas -- have come to power, they have imposed racist laws and suppressed ethnic and religious minorities. Imagining a Hamas military victory over Israel, I can see where one would expect the rise of a Palestinian-dominated apartheid state.

Of course it is equally likely that a Hamas military victory would result in a simple genocide directed against the Jews, in which case accusing Hamas of proposing apartheid is actually being generous.

One campaigning group in the UK hailed the union for standing up to "the campaign of intimidation and bullying waged against proponents of the NATFHE academic boycott initiative." I think it is important to point out the courage shown by both unions in taking on powerful Arab and Islamic lobbies, both inside their countries and globally. Clearly these campaigners had the recent world-wide outcry over the Danish cartoons in mind.

Timing is everything. And the timing of the union boycott resolutions in the wake of the Hamas election victory -- as highlighted in the NATFHE statements -- confirms this.

Unions have a long and proud tradition of supporting the rights of peoples to self determination and opposing violence, which naturally makes them hostile towards Hamas. Throw in Hamas' medieval world-view, its rejection of women's rights and gay rights, and the racism at the core of its hatred of Jews and Israel, and you can see why unions have chosen the boycott route.

But I have to say that I don't agree with them. I think the best way to deal with the Palestinians is not by boycott, but by dialogue and engagement.

Targetting Palestinian academics is particularly stupid, as quite a few of them were involved in the original Oslo peace process. Boycotting the Palestinians will be counter-productive, causing them to react defensively, rallying around the Hamas government. And it is a form of collective punishment, blaming Palestinian innocents for decisions taken by some of their leaders.

Finally, the decision by NATFHE and CUPE is a bad one because it could be turned around and used by supporters of Hamas and Islamic Jihad.

I know it sounds unlikely, but this could some day lead to unions calling for boycotts of Israeli academics and Israeli products. Yes, I know this seems highly unlikely, following the recent Israeli elections where the centre-left triumphed and the far right was routed. Israel's new defense minister is one of the founders of the "Peace Now" movement. Its government is committed to further large scale withdrawals from Palestinian territories.

Posted by: waterdragon52 [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 20, 2006 8:07 AM

It's the Joo's! Evertything is their fault. It always was the the Joo's! That's why life for us poor muslims is so crap. Blame the Joo's

It's the will of Ah..hah!

Eh? Wha?

Posted by: Turbinehead [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 20, 2006 9:32 AM

"the mainstream media had concealed 'the truth of history'..."
-- a complaint from the article above by anti-Israel propagandist Alan Hart

Not in the way he thinks.

Beginning with:

1) The history of the Muslim conquest of Judea as part of the general Muslim conquest; repression of the Jews by Muslims was particularly harsh.

2) The continued presence of Jews in the Middle East, and in the area of present-day Israel, in Hebron, Safed, Jerusalem.

3) The role of "Jerusalem and Zion" in Jewish ritual and consciousness.

4) The near-invisibiility of that same area in Muslim ritual and consciousness.

5) The denial, by Arab Muslims, of rights to all the non-Muslims in the Middle East, of which the Jews were an example.

6) The continued decline in population in the area (Israel, or as it was known in the Western world, "Palestine" after the place-name given by the Romans in their attempt, not the last one, to efface the Jewish connection to the land).

6) The movement of Jews, starting with those in the Pale of Settlement in Russia, to the Ottoman domains that made up present-day Israel, buying land and engaging in reclamation projects.

7) The continued buying of land and of land-reclamation projects until World War I, when deppredations by the Turks caused a sudden great outlfow of Jews from Palestine.

8) The return of Jews, and continued settlement on essentially desert land, after World War I.

9) The recognition by the League of Nations that various groups deserved to have states of their own carved from the former Ottoman domains in the Middle East. These included an Arab state, a Jewish state, an Armenian state, and a Kurdish state. By 2006, there were twenty-two members of the Arab League, in all of which the indigenous non-Muslims who were there prior to the Arab and Muslim invasion -- the Copts in Egypt, the Maronites in Lebanon, the Assyro-Chaldeans (as they now style themselves) in Iraq -- were subject to discrimination, persecution, and even murder. All non-Arab Muslims, too, indigenous to the area, were subjecdt to the same discrimination, persecution, and even murder: the Kurds and the Berbers being the two salient examples.

One Jewish state was created. An Armenian state in the Middle East was never created; those parts of Armenia, or lands inhabited by Armenians in the Soviet Union, became a Soviet Republic and only now, in the last few years, as a free and independent Armenia been created. Ancient Armenian cities in Turkey have been emptied through mass-murder and renamed (e.g. Diyarbakir). There is still no Kurdish state.

10) The Mandatory Commission of the League of Nations proposed that the Jewish state should consist of historic Palestine, that is, the area on both sides of the Jordan River (see, for the full definition, the Encyclopedia Britannia, llth edition). Great Britain was entrusted with the Mandate for Palestine, as it was with the Mandate for iraq.

11) In 1921, in Cairo, representatives of the British (under Winston Churchill) in order to offer a Hashemite without a kingdom, the Emir Abdullah (older brother of Feisal, who was plumped on the throne of Iraq), the British decided uniltaterally that the provisions of the Mandate for Palestine about "facilitating Jewish immigration" everywhere in Palestine and "encouraging close Jewish settlement on the land" should no longer apply to the area east of the River Jordan, that is Eastern Palestine. This was done in order that Eastern Palestine might be renamed and handed over to Abdullah, so that he would not be tempted to make demands for the throne of Syria (then a French Mandate), complicating British-French maneuverings in the Middle East.

12) For the entire period of the Mandate, the British administration, topheavy with those who were completely unsympathetic to the Zionists -- save for a very few, such as Wyndham Deedes in Lonodon, Col. Meinertzhagen (Allenby's former intelligence chief), and Capt. Orde Wingate -- did everything from ignore the Arab attack on defenseless Jews in the Old City (the British arrested Jabotinsky for creating a self-defense force that tried to protect the otherwise defenseless Jews). When Meinertzhagen reported the truth about the behavior of some British officers (Waters-Taylor) in ignoring, or possibly even inciting, the Arab murders, it was he, Meinertzhagen, who was required to leave Palestine. The British officer in Hebron, Cafferata, did nothing during the 1929 massacre of the Jews in that city, the second-holiest to religious Jews, and a place with a continuous Jewish presence until 1929. In the 1930s, when Capt. Orde Wingate taught Jewish farmers how to defend themselves against Arab marauders, it was he, Wingate, who was forced to leave Mandatory Palestine.

12) During the Arab Revolt of 1936-1938, essentially a terror campaign against both the Jews and the Infidel British, the British managed to suppress it, but they also were eager to placate the local Arabs (the phrase "Paletinian people" did not exist; "Palestinians" as a term always referred to the Jews of Palestine. In 1939, the Colonial Secretary, Malcolm Macdonald, proposed a White Paper by which Jewish immigration to Mandatory Palestine would be limited to 5,000 a year for five years and would then, subjet to Arab veto, come to an end.

13) During World War II the Jews of Palestine were eager to volunteer for the msot dangerous, even suicidal missions. They were permitted to --see the works of the forgotten but important Dutch journalist Pierre van Paasen on the role of Jewish volunteers on these quasi-suicide missions. David Raziel (Jabotinsky's likely successor) volunteered for a mission in Iraq to prevent the oilfields from falling into German hands, and died doing it. In Egypt, in the Western Desert, and in Syria, Jewish volunteers performed simiilar deeds, and with similar outcomes for themselves. In Mandatory Palestine, the British authorities, though they had been and remained hostile to Zionism, distributed rifles to some Jews so that they might help defend the British position in case of German attack. After the war, in 1946, the British promptly seized back all those rifles -- couldn't let the Jews keep those to defend themselves. war with Israel.

14) After World War II, and despite the British officers and men having seen the Nazi death camps (filming in the least deadly of them, such as Buchenwald), the British government continued to prevent ships with Jewish survivors from reaching Mandatory Palestine. Ships were turned away or sunk. British soldiers boarded at least one ship with Jewish volunteers coming from America, and beat those volunteers, at least one of them to death.

15) A total arms embargo on the Jews of Palestine was enforced by the British. No such embargo was placed on the Arabs. The British continued to supply with arms, and with officers, and with training, right through the Arab war with Israel, the armed forces of Jordan, Egypt, and Iraq.

16) The British military commander, Sir Evelyn Barker, who had taken as his mistress the widow of George Antonius (the author of "The Arab Awakening"), wrote her before the Arab armies attacked Israel that he wished he could help them in "exterminating" the Jews of Palestine.

17) After the Israeli victory in 1948, which was achieved without any aid whatsoever from any foreign government, and certainly without any military aid (save for a few Messershmitts that were bought in Czechoslovakia), the Israelis continued to engage in land reclamation and in rescuing hundreds of thousands of Jews from Arab lands, including those who had for centuries been treated as chattel by Arab tribes, such as the Jews of Yemen, and permanently limited to such occupations as cleaners of latrines.

18) After the Israeli victory in 1948 (still no "Palestinian people" had yet been created) the Arabs did not give up. The Arab states refused to recognize any permanent borders with Israel and instead the armistice lines became the de facto borders. Across those armistice lines, despite the various armistice agreeements (no Arab state would sign a peace treaty) tens of thousands of attacks were made, from both Jordan and Egypt. Jordan's attacks ended after retaliation from Force 101, founded by Ariel Sharon. Attacks by Egyptian fellahin did not, until the Suez Campaign.

19) After John Foster Dulles, convinced that the Arabs needed to be placated -- wasn't Islam "a bulwark against Communism" -- after Suez, and the British and French abandoned, and Israel forced to withdraw from the Sinai for what turned out to be worthless promises by Nasser, quiet was established for a short time. But neither Egypt nor any other Arab country was willing to end the siege, diplomatic, economic, by all other means, of the Jewish state, that is the Infidel state, of Israel.

20) Still, with the French in Morocco and Tunisia until 1954-1955, and in Algeria until 1962, and with British garrisons still in Aden and dotted along the Trucial States (why "Trucial"? Because the British had had to be there to keep the peace, or rather, the "truce" betwee those constantly warring and violent Arabs). Without the oil bonanza, and without Muslims deep within Europe, it was hard to begin to think of world-wide caliphates and such. For now a series of Lesser (i.e., local) Jihads were all that could be contemplated. Of these Lesser Jihads against Infidels (such as that pressing Muslim claims in Kashmir, or pushing for greater Muslim power in Malaysia, or Indonesia, or a smaller non-Muslim presence in Bangladesh or Pakistan) the one given most Arab (and therefore Islamic) attention was that against Israel.

21) In mid-May 1967 Nasser demanded (and got) a removal of U.N. peacekeeping troops from the Sinai. He declared a blockade of the Straits of Tiran so that the Israelis, who depended on that lifeline for trade, first sought the intervention of the participants in and guarantors of the original agreement made by Nasser in 1956. One by one, Great Britian, France, and finally even the United States, simply could not find, apparently, the terms of the agreement, and did nothing to stop Nasser. It was clear that the Israelis were completely on their own. Elderly Israelis who could, were flown out of Israel, for the fear was palpable. The Cairene crowds assembled to hear Nasser crow and predict great victories over the Zionist enemy. Hysteria was the rule not only in Egypt, but everywhere in the Arab world, in the last weeks of May and first five days of June, 1967.

22) The Six-Day War, the victory that gave Israelis, for the second time, the Sinai (most of which had only become Egyptian in 1922, though very few seem to know this), and of what was called Gaza (the Egyptians never bothered to rename it while they held it) and "the West Bank" (an absurdly vague term, but the one used by the Jordanians to avoid using toponyms, Judea and Samaria that had been in continuous use by Western cartographers for 2000 years). The Jordanians were merely mimicking the Romans before them, but at least the Roman use of "Palestine" in place of "Judea" had been a name, while the "West Bank" was merely a geographical feature -- "West Bank," one wanted to know, of what?

23) The Three No's of Khartoum by the Arabs, in response to the Israeli offer to negotiate.

24) At the U.N., the Arabs try desperately, with help from the Soviet bloc, to have the wording of Resolution 242 changed so that it would read NOT "from territories" but "from all the territories" occupied in the recent conflict. The attempt was rejected, explicitly rejected, by Lord Caradon and by Arthur Goldberg, the representatives of Great Britain and the United States. Furthermore, any withdrawal from territories was modified so that it would be only to "secure and defensible borders." The definition of "secure and defensible borders" for Israel by the members of the Arab League, or by any appeasement-minded Quartet, but only by those doing the securing and doing the defending -- the Israelis themselves.

25) The Arabs realized they had to redefine the conflct for Western consumption, for the recent defeat showed that this war would go on for a long time, and would likely be won not by military means, but by a slow and relentless siege.

26) The "Palestinian people" were born.

27) In Western Europe, a campaign of misinformation and vilification of Israel began, and grew and grew as the conflict, redefined as one not of the mighty Arabs against tiny Israel (or, as would have been the truth, of the Arab Muslim states refusing to contemplate the idea of an Infidel state, no matter what its size, for Islam does not permit such an acceptance), but as one "of national self-determination" and the "legitimiate rights of the 'Palestinian' people" -- two tiny peoples, etc. -- gained speed, and force.

28) Europeans of the older generation, who not only remembered World War II, but also remembered the 1948 War, and did not grow up with this phrase "Paletinian people," may not have known about Islam (why should they have? Who did, outside a handful of Western scholars?) but they did retain their sympathies for Israel. But each succeeding generation, and now of course those who have grown up entirely on the mental pabulum of this "Palestinian people" and their "rights" -- have been putty in the hands of local propagandists for the Arabs and Muslims.

29) It all came together. The old antisemites, along with the new tiers-mondistes. And in the refusal to understand the Islamic basis of opposition to Isael (aided and abetted, of course, by the failure of successive Israeli governments to recognize the essential, determining role of the belief-system of Islam, in explaining Arab attitudes, including the attitudes of those every-complaint islamochristians who promoted the same Arab Muslim cause), appealed to all kinds of prejudices and pre-existing mental conditions.

30) And in failing to comprehend the nature, the promptings, the real scope, the real aims, of the Lesser Jihad against Israel, the Europeans failed to prepare themselves for the Muslim invasion -- through almost entirely unhindered migration -- into their own lands, the Bilad al-kufr, the Lands of the Infidels which the Muslims themselves are taught to regard as enemy lands, to be conquered, not necessarily through military means, but conquered nonetheless, for Islam, so that Islam dominates and Muslims rule. So when the ten trillion dollars in OPEC money arrived to pay for mosques, madrasas, and Western hirelings (often ex-diplomats, journalists, academics, businessmen "recycling" petrodolars) to further the cause, or turn away attention from, Islam, and when at virtually the same time (for the last third of a century) Muslim imigrants flooded more and more into England and Germany, into France and Belgium, into Denmark and Norway and Sweden, into Italy and Spain, the mental ground had been prepared. The pre-existing mental conditions of anti-Americanism and antisemitism could only help, of course, and so do did all that money. But surely, had the Lesser Jihad against Israel been properly understood in time, it would have helped Israel make its case, and helped Western Europe be alert to lurking dangers.

Now both Israel and Western Europe, though few may yet see it clearly, are in the same swamp, their people and their existence threatened by the same adherents of the same belief-system. Will they be pulled out of that marsh of muddy misconception, by the transatlantic American elephant? Or will that American elephant itself sink into the same marsh with them, and the whole thing turn out to be, not so much a swamp, but rather -- the La Brea Tar Pit, with what seemed to be an energetic elephant in fact turning out to be a large, clumsy, floundering, dimwitted mastodon?

Posted by: Hugh [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 20, 2006 10:07 AM

Zionism is an integral part of Judaism, just as killing and subjugating infidels is an integral part of Islam. The yearning to return to Zion has been in the heart of every Jew (until the last few generations), but over time it was conveniently forgotten by many Jews, especially diaspora Jews, that to live in the Land of Israel is a commandment.

It's true that the "Zionists" of the late 19th and early 20th centuries were more secular than Jewish, and in a sense perverted true Zionism to suit their own Bolshevik agendas, but the end result does not change the fact that according to the Torah, whose authenticity is supposedly also recognized by Islam, the Land of Israel belongs to the Hebrews.

Zionism nowadays is a red herring, but in the end, the unholy alliance of Jew-hating Muslims, neo-Nazis, leftists, and Catholics will be punished.

Posted by: US_infidel [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 20, 2006 10:10 AM

The Seig Heil Network, eh?

My reply:

Why Islamophobia is necessary for free human existence.

And deportations of believing Muslims from all Western lands is a survival tool guaranteed by the Bill of Rights and the Constitution.

Because "the Constitution is not a suicide pact".

All Islamic infil-traitors who pretend allegiance to a secular rule of law are seditionists and need to be repatriated to Mecca.

I'll pack them a box lunch.

Halal, even.

Let's start a "Box Lunches for Muslims Returning to Mecca" program.

2-3 million should do for the U.S.

The EU can give them a falafel and a boat pass.

Posted by: profitsbeard [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 20, 2006 12:07 PM

We need to seriously start planning ways to shut down ALL muslims immigration? Anyone got any ideas that don't involve storming an immigration office and holding it hostage for 444 days?

Posted by: alShaytan [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 20, 2006 1:56 PM
"The propaganda they use, the Melanie Phillips version [a Jewish journalist for The Daily Mail], is that Israel faces annihilation and fears being pushed into the sea," Hart said. He said this was a myth.

Eh, dude, which planet are you on? That is like telling children that man-eating tigers are just in fairy tales.

Posted by: FallingProphet [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 20, 2006 2:11 PM

regarding Hugh's point 15 above: the Egyptian Arab journalist, Muhammad Hassanein Haykal, wrote in about 1961 that not only did the British supply Egypt's army with weapons but the British forced Egypt into the war with Israel against the better judgement of Prime minister Nuqrashy Pasha. [see the French-language journal Orient about 1962-63 for a French trans. of his article]. However, Haykal did not see this as favoritism for the Arabs. Rather, he saw it as a British scheme to embarass Egypt, knowing [according to Haykal] that Egypt's army was incapable of defeating Israel, and hoping for a Egyptian defeat in the war.

Further on British collaboration with Arab anti-Israel forces, see the important book by John Roy Carlson, Cairo to Damascus [Carlson was the pen name of Avedis Derounian, an important Armenian-American journalist]. This book contains too much to summarize here. One tidbit is that Egyptian pro-fascist volunteers to help the Palestinian Arabs were allowed by friendly British troops to cross from Egypt into "Palestine" [before May 15, 1948] without their truck being inspected for weapons, which --wink, wink-- everybody knew were on the truck.

Posted by: Eliyahu [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 20, 2006 4:02 PM

"We need to seriously start planning ways to shut down ALL muslims immigration? Anyone got any ideas that don't involve storming an immigration office and holding it hostage for 444 days?"


Actually, thats not a bad idea

Posted by: Mr Ape Pig [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 20, 2006 4:10 PM

Be forewarned. You are officially engaging in "Antigerman" extremist activities.

In its annual report 2005, the German Secret Service of the State of NRW-North Rhine Westphalia writes that (translation from German):

"Antigerman" (Antideutsche) groups have classified Islam as a backward culture and see - especially in light of the German culpability for the mass murders in the Second World War - the state of Israel as an achievement of western civilisation to spite the advance of Arab-Islamic claims for sovereignity. Therefore these groups unequivocally promote any measures of Israel against the Palestinians, as well as all actions of the allied armed forces, respectively of the Occupation powers in Iraq and they endorse also as an example, a devastatingly destructive strike against Iran."

http://www.im.nrw.de/sch/doks/vs/verfassungsschutzbericht_2005.pdf


The German Secret Service, known as Verfassungsschutz, of the state of North Rhine Westphalia NRW in Germany, has identifed this new 'stream' within the German extremist scene, which the Secret Service calls "Antigermans".

These "Antigermans" support the US, and Israel and do not subscribe to the traditional endorsement of Palestinian views. They welcomed US military campaigns against Iraq in 1991 and in 2003. In the view of this extremist group Israel is seen as a bastion against “Islamofascism”.

This extremist "Antigerman" movement according to the German security service looks favourably on the historic Second World War alliance against Hitler Germany. The German Verfassungsschutz has (quite incoherently) branded these "Antigermans" as both supportive of American imperialism and capitalism as well as of extreme leftist positions.

The following is a translation of the German text of the Verfassungsschutz of NRW, from the official Website

http://www.im.nrw.de/sch/414.htm

Antideutsch

A new movement the "Antigermans" has established itself within the leftist extremist environment, breaking with traditional fundamental leftist principles. Starting point of the Antigerman ideology is an unqualified solidarity with the Jewish people and the Israeli state. Exponents of this Antigerman ideology accuse the German nationhood-community(deutsche Volksgemeinschaft) and others within the left wing, of being openly or covertly anti-American and in particular antisemitic.

Antigermans view "Israel's Battle in the light of the tradition of the Uprising of the Warsaw Ghetto" and they see the Jewish state as a bastion against islamofascism. Therefore, they endorse any measures to the point of war to secure the existence of the Jewish state and protect its Jewish inhabitants.


The strengthening of the Antigerman movement, which also includes numerous antifascist groups some with juvenile members, can be traced back in time to the start of the Al-Aksa-Intifada in the year 2000, during which launching of suicide attacks commenced as a means of terror within core Israeli heartland. The Antigermans represent an ideological continuity and for a part consist of the same people of the antinational Left, who saw in the German reunification the start of a new era of imperialist and nationalistic power politics, and who had for a part formed a minority within the Left welcoming the First Gulf War of 1991.


In the Iraq War of 2003 the US-armed forces and their allies were seen by the Antigermans as a comeback of the Anti-Hitler coalition of the Second World War, and they celebrated the outcome of the Iraq war as a the "first antifascist armed conflict of the new century". The Antigermans insinuated that the demonstrators of the peace movement ("peace mob") in contrast, are harbouring anti-American and antisemitc resentments. Similarly, the movement critical of globalisation namely the ATTAC network, is blamed for feeding anti-American conspiracy theories and disregards the imperialistic intent of German and European capitalism.


The position of the Antigermans inevitably leads to conflicts with the majority of the orthodox-communist and radical Leftists, whose anti-imperialist fundamental attitude primarily targets American hegemony, and who are traditionally pro-Palestinian oriented. The endorsement of a nation-state Israel and the justification of military interventions are antithetic to leftist convictions.


Their perpetually uncompromising position and the provocative appearance of Antigerman activists for instance with the national flags of Israel and the USA on leftist demonstrations has repeatedly caused leftist groups to split up or the exclusion of Antigermans from venues of the leftist scene.

A series of nationwide publications such as 'Konkret', 'Bahamas', 'Jungle World', 'iz3w' or 'Phase2' convey the Antigerman Ideology in the left environment. 'T-34' is a magazine named after a Soviet tank credited for significantly contributing to the red army's victory over Hitler-Germany. In NRW (the state of North Rhine Westphalia) this magazine published by Antifa (scists) -Duisburg, has become a main publishing organ.

End of translation

More?

Well the annual report 2005 of the German state of NRW claims that (translation from German):

"'Antigermans' who already denounce merely critical mentions of Israel as being antisemitic, and who because of America's support for Israel, will a priori accept any arbitrary measures the US takes, these groups compose an increasingly growing portion of violent radical (Autonome) activists and other operators in this scene." page 21. End of quote.

Those of you who may be acquainted with Germany will be dumbfounded to learn that the violent radical left called "Autonome" in Germany, typically mummed aggressive demonstrators in Arab kafiyahs actually sympathise with the US...

Posted by: Hugo Schmidt-Fischer [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 20, 2006 4:44 PM

"Informed, honest debate on the Middle East has been stifled because..."
Because the vast majority of Muslims are neither informed nor honest.

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 20, 2006 5:14 PM

"The propaganda they use, the Melanie Phillips version [a Jewish journalist for The Daily Mail], is that Israel faces annihilation and fears being pushed into the sea," Hart said. He said this was a myth"

He could be partially right. Since the President of Iran wants to "wipe Israel off the map", I think he's refering to nuking Israel and not using armies to launch a ground attack to push the Israelis into the sea. I imagine that he's given up on pushing Israel into the sea and decided to go straight for the nukes.

I really hope Israel is planning something like in 1981 when they bombed Iraq's nuclear reactor.

Posted by: non-redneck [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 20, 2006 9:04 PM

Flag gesture warms Israelis to Ghana

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Posted by: ummahnewslinks [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 20, 2006 11:43 PM

Fitzgerald's recital of the true history of Israel above demonstrates my theory of Fictive Reality. No matter how preponderant the historical evidence, no matter how readily available that evidence, most non-Moslems now see the bedouin Arabs of the region as the indirect victims of European arrogance and the direct victims of Jewish aggression.

How did this happen? Skewed subject framing, manipulation of lexicon, occlusive content, emotive presentation, outright lying, one-sided discourse, outright lying and, above all, proscription of any criticism of Islam and consequent Moslem behavior.

Repeat that 1,249,439,037 times in the MSM and academy over the past 30 years (yes, I've been counting) and, voila!, you have your Fictive Reality of Palestine.

Thank you Oprah. You too Bill. And there are any number of Jewish intellectuals to thank too.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 21, 2006 3:26 AM

"Informed, honest debate on the Middle East has been stifled because..."

As soon as the debate was over, smart, enlightened men would have started in the Middle East something that begins with "g", and whose mentioning here would cause my post to be deleted.

Posted by: arjun.sevak [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 22, 2006 8:59 AM


Hugh thank you for the handy summary.

US_Infidel whats the beef with Catholics; do you think all us of love the Pax Christi people ?
While support for Israel among Catholics is nowhere near Evangelical levels, most Catholics understand that Israel is on the frontlines of jihad .

Posted by: ivan [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 26, 2006 4:12 AM

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