Again the Muslims recognise their nemesis.

There is something about this struggle that transcends time and space...something spiritual.

Islam knows it is doomed...just a matter of time.

Posted by: Mike_W at July 4, 2006 5:12 AM

Clergy have started a campaign to replace George with St Alban, a Christian martyr in Roman Britain.
How sad! History is history. Why should it be changed for them? What, if any, changes will the muslims make from the very long list of unacceptable astocities which they commit, and which offend the rest of the world? Has St. Alban been pre-approved by the muslims?

Posted by: freetoBEfree at July 4, 2006 5:15 AM

Please forgive the spelling. It is late, or is it eartly?

Posted by: freetoBEfree at July 4, 2006 5:17 AM

St George should be promoted patron saint of Europe.

Posted by: FreeSpeech at July 4, 2006 5:54 AM

St Alban, a Christian martyr in Roman Britain.

Of course "martyr" means something different in Islam. Perhaps Muslims will assume St Alban was a suicide murderer resisting the Roman occupation.

Posted by: Interested at July 4, 2006 6:20 AM

How ironic because I have read in the last week or so that there is one Muslim who believes that Mary the mother of Jesus could bring Christians and Muslims together. I will go and look for the URL. I guess with some Muslims or those non-Muslims it is talk one way, do another.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 4, 2006 6:21 AM

Here is the URL of the Eygptian Muslim who says of Mary bringing Christians and Muslims together. Remember also Mary appeared in that country in the late 60's.

http://www.indcatholicnews.com/muslimary774.html

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 4, 2006 6:25 AM

"councils have banned the St George flag from their buildings and vehicles during the World Cup." (from the article)

Having read this news already over a week ago I must say I did not see these bans implemented. Up to the fateful day when England had to leave the playoffs towards the finals St.Georges flags were flying all over England, also on official buildings, and many thousands of cars. Whole buildings have been wrapped in them.
But then there is always a freak council who will do the opposite thing...
Be assured, the English will not give up St.George. (non-english observer)

Posted by: cosmicAvenger at July 4, 2006 6:35 AM

This idea must be from the Department of Silly Walks.

his image is too warlike and may offend Muslims.

I feel the same way about Mohammed. Please pick another historical figure to worship.

Posted by: Beagle at July 4, 2006 6:58 AM

St George offends Muslims? Well, here is one brilliant idea I just had: how about if they just grew up and stopped using the victim card? I am offended that they Muslims in the West use the victim card all the time, while they stay completely silent regarding the treatment that they give to Christians living in Muslim lands.

If England gives up on St George (I doubt it, this will probably backfire on the pathetic leadership of the Church of England), I hereby propose that they choose St Jude - the patron saint of lost causes.

Remeber the fuss regarding Santiago "Matamoros"? The Spaniards just laughed in their faces. England should follow their example.

Posted by: cruzado at July 4, 2006 7:10 AM

I think they should adopt the image of a crocodile being fed by a bunch of timorous infidels.

Posted by: scaramouoche at July 4, 2006 7:18 AM

cruzado,

"St George offends Muslims? Well, here is one brilliant idea I just had: how about if they just grew up and stopped using the victim card? I am offended that they Muslims in the West use the victim card all the time, while they stay completely silent regarding the treatment that they give to Christians living in Muslim lands."

The truth of the matter is that the Muslims KNOW that the dragon that St. George slays represents not only Satan, but also the over the course of time all time defeat of the Muslim faith by the ever growing in the world Christian faith. This twists the underware of the Muslims bigtime.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 4, 2006 7:20 AM

any Catalans out there? I think I'm right in saying St George also the patron saint of Catalonia. Barcelona anyway.

And of course he's a big hit in Georgia! The flag of Georgia is more or less like the English flag ( a few extra crosses ). So he is already a pan European hero crusader.

Ah, crusade. Is there any word more delicious? Maybe barbeque.

Posted by: melbourneman at July 4, 2006 7:34 AM

Sunday Times: St Alban is holier than St George.

Philip Chester, vicar of St Matthew’s, Westminster, who is gathering support for his private member’s motion, called the choice of George, who according to legend was a Roman cavalryman from what is now Turkey, “dotty”. ...

Some modern vicars, however, shy away from marking his feast day because they dislike his association with the violence of the crusades against the Islamic world.

Uh, huh:

Google News search: Philip Chester.

Oh, what's this?

Liberals Threaten To Split Anglican Communion

The Rev. Philip Chester, vicar of St Matthew's, Westminster, disclosed that they had met senior bishops in the American Church to explore ways of establishing a stronger network between liberal [i.e. ones approving of homosexuality among the clergy] parishes. "Building closer ties with the American Church is the way forward," he said.

Did he remember to check with the Muslims on this issue first?

The last I heard Islamic scholars were debating on whether the correct response to homosexuality was to:

A. Push the offenders off a minaret (or cliff);
B. Collapse a wall upon them;
C. Burn them alive.

The Sharia version of a multiple choice examination.

I don't think they'd recommend "closer ties" with other churches approving of more lenity on the matter somehow.

Posted by: Yojimbo at July 4, 2006 7:39 AM

NEWS, Lon Don, 10.12.2019 :

Two fourteen year old boys have been arrested in a secret basement room apparently used as a christmas centre by the outlawed St.George movement.
The room was hung with flags of the former United Kingdom and many unregistered christian syymbols. Residents of the area had also noticed single women frequenting the premises.
But thanks to the very effective "Know Your Kafir" media campaign the neighbouring residents reportet the suspects to the Sharia Enforcement Bureau.
The two fourteen year old boys are considered just too young for the death penalty, but showing no sign of circumcision they most likely will be sent to the Sheffield Holy Faith Indoctrination Centre to serve a 4 to 6 year re-islamisation course.
cA

Posted by: cosmicAvenger at July 4, 2006 7:41 AM

St George + crusades???

Sorry for the islamics, but St George lived and died in the 4th century. Just a few years before islam raised its ugly head.

He was killed by Diocletian - a Roman.

Since moslems don't belive anything of any value existed pre - islam; what could possibly be the big deal?

Perhaps they are upset with St George's martyr status - which he gained not by killing innocents - but by refusing to denounce Christianity.

How absolutely unislamic!

Posted by: infidel! at July 4, 2006 8:15 AM

last it was the comix, now its the flags, next week the miniskirts, and then the headscarf again.. tssk.
we must belittle them where ever we can, their little comic-book construct versus the immensely grand avenues of free life..
their 72 virgins against the cosmic completeness of life and death in a free universe..
their huddled beadsheet covered breeding machine excuse of a female or a grand free modern woman at the farthest point in time..
of kissing the carpet in sudued reverence or stand at a cliff and roar with the ocean wind..

the battle will come, but we will have those liars and blinded cretins already amongst us, so the rear will always have to be on guard.

Posted by: cosmicAvenger at July 4, 2006 8:21 AM

If the Brits do ths it's all going to be over real soon.

What glee the muslims must feel in the UK? What an incredible victory and they hardly even tried.

They have managed to get a HUGE symbol of Britain on the chopping block!

I have to say I know little about St George, but suddenly I really like him!

Infidel: thanks for the history.

This is dhimmitude in the extreme.
I'm speechless!

Posted by: Gramfan at July 4, 2006 8:54 AM

>>>Here is the URL of the Eygptian Muslim who says of Mary bringing Christians and Muslims together. Remember also Mary appeared in that country in the late 60's.

BigCatGirl:

Interesting thought.

Surely they are too dumb to follow someone as gentle as that?
They only worship destruction.
Nope, She doesn't fit the bill.

Posted by: Gramfan at July 4, 2006 8:58 AM

"the Church of England is considering rejecting England's patron saint St George on the grounds that his image is too warlike and may offend Muslims."

Since when are mo's offended by "warlike"? Have they looked in the mirror lately?

If Infidel! is right, and St. George died 200 years before mo came on the scene, this is truly incredible dhimmitude (and balls by those mo's who say they're offended).

Posted by: perpster at July 4, 2006 9:07 AM

>>Nothing should be changed on account of muslims. It's their problem if they don't like it. If we cow down to them and do whatever they say...oh forget it, it's just too ridiculous now for words.

Posted by: americaningermany

This is exactly right!

They have to learn they live in a Christian country and if they don't like it, or it is offensive then they should go home.
They make no allowances for us infidels be it in our own country or in any muslim country.

Posted by: Gramfan at July 4, 2006 9:26 AM

Hmmm, I wonder if I were living in Saudi Arabia and I publicly declared that I was offended by the sword on their flag and what it represents - establishment of the kingdom by the sword against infidels - and demanded that it be removed from the flag.

Take a wild guess...

Posted by: LonestarM at July 4, 2006 10:49 AM

Christian ‘swine’ and the Holy Land
By George Weigel

http://www.archden.org/dcr/news.php?e=372&s=3&a=7828

"....a producer from WNBC in New York asked me if I thought the Holy Father would apologize for the Crusades. I replied that, while I hadn’t a clue about John Paul’s intentions, if I were the pope, I’d apologize for losing the Crusades. She was a bit taken aback."

Posted by: adobe at July 4, 2006 10:53 AM

Gramfan,

"Interesting thought.

Surely they are too dumb to follow someone as gentle as that?
They only worship destruction.
Nope, She doesn't fit the bill."

What suprises me is that in the Koran there is a whole chapter to the mother of Jesus, Mary. I have read that she is honored by the Muslims. But at the same time, her son is simply regarded as a mere prophet. Strange.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 4, 2006 11:17 AM

I think you are all going way overboard.

England is just redecorating itself for the new owners.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at July 4, 2006 11:42 AM

Saint George has been the Patron Saint of England since the time of King Edward III (reigned 1327 – 1377). He was formally declared the Patron of England by Pope Benedict XIV and no authority other than the Pope can change that, whatever the idiot dhimmis decide.

St. George is not only patron of England but is a Patron Saint of many countries including Canada, Russia, Ukraine, Georgia, Greece, Lithuania, Portugal, Slovenia, and Malta. He is also patron of the regions of Aragon, Catalonia, Sicily, and Cappadocia; the European cities of Venice, Genoa, Ferrara, Modica, Lod, Gozo, Haldern, Heide, and Amersfoort. He was the patron saint of Constantinople and is the patron saint of Beirut, Lebanon.

He is the patron saint of the Boy Scouts as well as farmers and other agricultural workers, soldiers, archers, armourers, horses and horsemen, sheep and shepherds, and the patron of Knights and Crusaders. He is also the intercessor for those suffering from leprosy, syphilis, skin diseases, and the plague.

Most interestingly, he is the Patron Saint of Palestine and is officially recognized as such by the Palestinian Authority.

Posted by: Provoslavni at July 4, 2006 11:48 AM

More then ever we need saints like St. George who stood up for Christ and the Christian faith and became a TRUE MARTYR, not these fake jihadi martyrs.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 4, 2006 12:16 PM

Provoslavni, every Italian knows that the patron Saint of Venice is St.Mark. St.George is Genoa's, and the two sea republics hated each other too much to share anything, including a Saint.

Incidentally, about his feast day: coincidentally, April 23 is also the traditional anniversary of the foundation of Rome.

Yeah, that Rome.
The one where the Pope resides. The one that Muhammad prophecied would one day fall. The one that has not yet fallen.
That Rome.

A good day to celebrate, wouldn't you say?

Posted by: Paolo at July 4, 2006 12:32 PM

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN

LET ME PRESENT THE REAL SAINT GEORGE,NOT THE POLITICALLY INCORRECT WIMP SAINT GEORGE THAT OUR FRIEND MR SPENCER PORTRAYS ABOVE

http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/2006/06/politically-incorrect-guide-lord-knows.html

Lord knows we need a St. George now to slay the Islamic Beast.

Posted by: shiva at July 4, 2006 12:55 PM

cosmicAvenger

"Having read this news already over a week ago I must say I did not see these bans implemented. Up to the fateful day when England had to leave the playoffs towards the finals St.Georges flags were flying all over England, also on official buildings, and many thousands of cars. Whole buildings have been wrapped in them.
But then there is always a freak council who will do the opposite thing..."

When you say "official buildings", do you mean council buildings? Are there "official buildings" in England that are not council buildings?

Posted by: Television at July 4, 2006 1:38 PM

Muhammad was far more warlike than St. George ever dreamed of being, but beyond that, what actual crimes did St. George ever commit. The list of murders, rapes and pillaging lead by Muhammad are long and recorded.

Islam: give up Muhammad as your profit, reform your cult and then you might -- MIGHT -- have earned the right to call for a denouncement of St. George.

But even then, I would laugh at you.

Posted by: Foehammer at July 4, 2006 1:43 PM

"[St. George] was formally declared the Patron of England by Pope Benedict XIV and no authority other than the Pope can change that, whatever the idiot dhimmis decide."

I think a little bump in English history happened in the 16th century, when Henry VIII told the Pope to sod off.

Posted by: Television at July 4, 2006 1:45 PM

Oops...perhaps I'm seeing the Muslims make too much of these issues when I commit such a Freudian slip as "profit" for "prophet". They are definitely making the most of every political and cultural weakness they can find though, aren't they?

Posted by: Foehammer at July 4, 2006 1:45 PM

I find it more offensive that any non-Muslims in the West should be even considering things like this. The Muslim intolerance and hypersensitivity is less offensive. Our spinelessness is more offensive. Without our PC spinelessness, Muslim feelings would have little or no power.

It's time to put the pressure on our own West -- more pressure. Muslims will be Muslims; they're not going to change. Too many of them are robots, hyenas, demons, vortices of Nature -- too many, too widespread, too camouflaged that we simply cannot winnow the humans from the ghouls.

At least there is some slim hope that our fellow dhimmis can change. That's where our focus should be. That's the target at which we should direct our anger. It's pointless to be angry at Muslims -- let's just defend ourselves rationally from their demonic, robotic evil.

Dhimmi Watch should really be on the front burner. Without this prevalent dhimmitude in the West, Muslims wouldn't stand a chance against us.

Would you get angry at a pack of wolves surrounding your farm, wolves that have already eaten one of your children and are threatening the rest of your family? Would you spend time mocking them, getting emotional? Or would you simply do everything you could to defend your farm and family? And when members of your own family start denigrating your project of self-defense, leaving the front door open, hiding your rifle's ammunition, lecturing you at the dinner table about how "noble" the wolves are and that it's only "natural" that they should eat human babies, and anyway, look at the history of how cruel humans have been to wolves, can you blame the wolf for being so angry at the human species? etc. -- you will recognize that your anger is better spent being directed at these idiotic family members. Soon, you will see that their pro-wolf position is positively obstructing your rational self-defense, and you will have to lock them in a room where they remain shackled to the bedpost during the time you need to take measures against the wolves.

Posted by: Television at July 4, 2006 2:10 PM

It is not "St. George" that Mohammedans really object to, but "The Dragon".

Because they know who it [presciently] symbolizes.

The Magog of Mohammad.

The Serpent of the Suras.

The Hydra of the Hadiths.

The Krododile of the Koran.

You are not allowed to show his image.

It's a Muslim thing.

Posted by: profitsbeard at July 4, 2006 2:14 PM

Paola,
It is true that St. Mark is "the" i.e. primary patron of Venice but the Church has also declared Saints George, Tryphone, and Jerome as patrons of this beautiful city. In Scuola di San Giorgio, Carpaccio these three saints especially venerated. That's why I wrote that he is "a" patron saint of Venice. Many cities and countries have more than one.

see also: http://www.abcgallery.com/saints/george.html

Posted by: Provoslavni at July 4, 2006 3:31 PM

Foehammer, you are most correct: mohammed was/is all about PROFIT. Invade, raid, kill and capture both people and booty. Make slaves of the captured. Loot valuables (why do so few know of the looting of Christianity in Constantinople by the mo's?). Build mosques over the ruins of captured Churches and Temples. MO AIN'T NO PROPHET; HE'S ALL ABOUT PROFIT.

Posted by: perpster at July 4, 2006 3:38 PM

Television wrote: "I think a little bump in English history happened in the 16th century, when Henry VIII told the Pope to sod off."

You're right of course and, with the exception of the Stuart kings, we see how far England has fallen since them. In the 1840s Britain went to war with Russia to save the Ottomans and keep Constantinople Muslim. She promoted Muslims over Hindus in her colonies and created Pakistan. The list goes on and on. It is a sad decline from the glorious days of Edward the Confessor or Richard Cœur de Lion.

Posted by: Provoslavni at July 4, 2006 3:39 PM

Paolo, sorry for the typo "Paola"... I didn't mean to feminize you.

Posted by: Provoslavni at July 4, 2006 3:43 PM

The right to not be offended is part and parcel of the pact of Umar
http://www.domini.org/openbook/umar.htm

Posted by: Carolyn2 at July 4, 2006 4:13 PM

Good link for future reference
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/islam/islamsbook.html

Posted by: Carolyn2 at July 4, 2006 4:20 PM

>>>>What suprises me is that in the Koran there is a whole chapter to the mother of Jesus, Mary. I have read that she is honored by the Muslims. But at the same time, her son is simply regarded as a mere prophet. Strange.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106

Bigcatgirl.
On one hand, everything the mo's do is surprising! Since the first terror attacks in recent times, and I mean in the 70's, like the plane hijackings, the Achille Lauro and of course, Munich they have shown a rememarkable capacity to think outside the square when it comes to death and destruction.

On the other hand their stupidity knows no bounds!
The ability to revere the Mother and not the Son seems a paradox.
I wonder if it is painful when your brain short-circuits with these types of concepts?

Posted by: Gramfan at July 4, 2006 6:55 PM

The flag issue has been bounced around for years,diffrent councils in the UK trying to ban it,this is the tip of the iceberg, some examples
1,Christmas decorations in towns changed to all season celebration to include ethnics.
2,No Easter or christmas cards to be shown in view of others in council offices.
3,Pub signs brought into question some names are to offensive to certain groups.
These are a few of the insane things going on in the UK,and as for Blair and co they have sold us out.

Posted by: Laststand at July 4, 2006 7:03 PM

>>>>The flag issue has been bounced around for years,diffrent councils in the UK trying to ban it,this is the tip of the iceberg, some examples
1,Christmas decorations in towns changed to all season celebration to include ethnics.
2,No Easter or christmas cards to be shown in view of others in council offices.
3,Pub signs brought into question some names are to offensive to certain groups.
These are a few of the insane things going on in the UK,and as for Blair and co they have sold us out.

Posted by: Laststand

Laststand:
the flag issue is also alive and well in Australia as many no longer want the Queen as our head of government. (need a referendum to do that!).
However, this will take a long time. We will need to become a republic first.

How come pub signs? I thought mo's didn't drink!!!

Posted by: Gramfan at July 4, 2006 7:11 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Russia_coa.svg

WHY Russia recently after all the years of communism adopted St. George as part of it"s coat of arms. Russia has lot of Muslims for neighbours. Why does not the Church of England want to stand with the Orthodox?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_Arms_of_Russia The coat of arms of Russia is beautiful.

Posted by: mark52 at July 4, 2006 7:27 PM

This reminds me of the time in history when the Spaniards finally wanted the Moors out of Spain and drove them out. Europe apparently had a backbone once. How times have changed with Europe.

Posted by: DillPickle at July 4, 2006 7:46 PM

Provoslani,

Thank you for that information about Englands attitude towards muslims, starting from 1840, when they fought against Russia to keep Constantinoble muslim.

If you have other information about how England has fought to protect muslim interests, please let us know.

Posted by: Voltaire at July 4, 2006 8:00 PM

Hi,Gramfan in reply to your question regarding the pub signs,i read a article about a pub landlord being bullied by the local council to amend the food sign outside his pub as the local muslims passing the Inn found the advert for pork products offencive,also the pubs name had been questioned to, (THE PORK INN) also someone had drawn on a outside wall (to the car pork).The landlord replied to this by stating the local mosque had been built on a slaughter house site so why had he become a target.

Posted by: Laststand at July 4, 2006 8:52 PM

Who cares if it offends muslims? They had nothing to do with the establishing of Britain. If it offended them too badly, they wouldn't have squatted there. (If a muslim ain't happy ain't nobody happy.) And if they protest too loudly, they are free to leave. They haven't been in Britain long enough to put down roots. They can go squat in the middle east.

Posted by: freewoman at July 5, 2006 12:08 AM

Agree with you. They can go park their fannies in the desert instead of being 'offended' by one of England's oldest icons.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at July 5, 2006 2:17 AM

Paolo, congratulazioni sulla vittoria nel calcio.

Pravo, I don't know about Britain in the year 1840. In that year, I think, Russia and Britain were together trying to stop Muhammad Ali of Egypt [backed by France] from threatening the Sultan in Kusta [Hebrew name for Constantinople]. They plus the Habsburgs successfully pushed Muhammad Ali back to Egypt from his control of Syria and Israel [not to mention other factors].
However, in 1854, Britain and France went to war [the Crimean War] against Russia and in defense of the Ottoman Empire. Once victory was achieved, the Sultan rewarded his defenders with pieces of real estate here in Jerusalem, plus various other privileges and favors.

Posted by: Eliyahu at July 5, 2006 4:51 AM

Laststand:
thanks for your reply. Please pardon tardiness due to the time difference in the Antipodes,lol!

What amazes me is that Jewish people don't eat pork either but I cannot recall them EVER carrying on like this here in OZ or anywhere else!

A bit hard to keep kosher in Aushwitz!
Yet in prisons here they demand halal, and also in Gitmo. Sorry, I don't buy this. Prison isn't meant to be a Club Med experience.

Posted by: Gramfan at July 5, 2006 6:36 AM

I'm Jewish but I like this St George guy. When it comes to Muhammadanism he embodies my sentiments exactly. Great St George flag image posted by Mr Spencer! I like the halo about his head.

George is a very popular name with the Eastern Orthodox. Many Greeks I've come across have it for a first name. Robert's St George image looks Eastern but I'm no expert

EXAMPLE:
Yusuf Islam (Former Cat Stevens) Born 1947 in the London Soho as Steven Demetri Georgiu, son of a Cyprus Greek Catholic who came....

Posted by: dennisw at July 5, 2006 6:48 AM

Dennisw

I think I like St George too:)

As for Cat Stevens,,well I am old enough to remember when he hit the music scene.

I remember a big hit of his:
"Peace Train"

Bet he isn't singing that anymore.
He must be a total hippocrite and many other things I won't mention right now.

Posted by: Gramfan at July 5, 2006 8:59 AM

dennisw
ps yes it does look eastern, IMHO. Rather like Russian icons.

Maybe the entire west should adopt this emblem against the mo's? United under one flag???

Posted by: Gramfan at July 5, 2006 9:02 AM

DennisW and Gramfan:

Yes, the image above is a Byzantine icon.

Although Russian icons are in the Byzantine tradition, this one is Greek, not Russian.

Cordially
Robert Spencer

Posted by: jihadwatch at July 5, 2006 9:05 AM

Songs of hope and tunes of glory
Half remembered Albion hymns
Rise up Saint George and tell the story
This is where your song begins

Leave the drunkard to his bottle
And leave the prophet to his doom
Let the critics sneer and prattle
Give Saint George some fighting room

Come, come, throw a penny on the drum
A penny for the passing of the days
Run, run, and see the setting of the sun
Come and see the changing of the ways

Where are all the ragged heroes?
Buried in their suits of iron [so fine?]
Withered rose lies on the headstone
Will it bloom a second time?

Come come and throw a penny on the drum
A penny for the passing of the hour
Run, run, and see the rising of the sun
Come and see the blooming of the flower

Throw a penny piece, a penny on the drum
And the withered rose will rise up like the sun

The Albion Band - Ragged Heroes from the album Rise up like the Sun.

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at July 5, 2006 9:32 AM

I am not surprised at this over sensitive stupidity of these people of the religion of peace. There are several pubs in England called the “Saracen's Head” most pubs especially in the old villages go back century's even if the buildings are only a couple of hundred years old and they kept the old name when they were rebuilt. I even know of one I used to drink in called the “Blackamoor”. There are certainly plenty called the “George and Dragon”. What about a pub called the “Pretty Pigs” a delightful country pub not far from Tamworth in the Midlands that is bound to offend the Muslims. What do you expect they are the chosen people, Mo gave them the divine right to rule the world. They are right you are wrong, no amount of appeasing is going to change them. They should be simple told like it or lump it. Mind you it can sometimes help if you give them what they want. If I was a pub owner I would say yes I will change my Pub name and then Change the name to Muslims Rest with a grave painted on the Pub sign. The whole affair is too ridiculous for words. I wont be long before they will be wanting to change the name of the Oldest pub in England Ye olde Trip to Jeruselem built in 1189 in Nottingham.

Posted by: Holger Dansker at July 5, 2006 10:24 AM

"Ye olde Trip to Jeruselem built in 1189 in Nottingham."

In my hard drinking heydays this was a regular haunt and nothing has changed.
I was there a few weeks back and all is well.
It's such a tourist attraction that the local council wouldn't dare change it.
Also I think it's still owned by the same people and rest assured they aint no dhimmis.

Hardcore drinkers and bikers(thats me)..mingle with tourists from all over the world,students,classy locals and revellers of all kinds.

Anyone fancy a pint and a tour of Notts and the Peaks let me know. :)

Posted by: ovinesongs at July 5, 2006 11:54 AM

Eliyahu,
Your right. I should have typed "1850s" since I was thinking specifically about the Crimean War. However the "Great Game" between Russia and Britain does have deeper roots at least back to the 1840s.

Posted by: Provoslavni at July 5, 2006 12:14 PM

Gramfan and Dennisw,

Re: Cat Stevens becoming Yusuf Islam. It must have been all the drugs in sixties. Daily hits of acid will mess up the brain completely. Some, like Charles Manson, formed their own cult of sex and murder. Stevens just found a cult of sex and murder that had been around for a long time.

Posted by: Provoslavni at July 5, 2006 12:22 PM

The meek shall inherit the earth...if the rest of you don't mind.

Posted by: MP at July 5, 2006 12:43 PM

Provoslavni

Yep, bet the drugs addled his brain!
Thank heaven's Keith and Mick are ok,lol!

Robert,
thanks for your info re the picture; appreciate that!

Posted by: Gramfan at July 5, 2006 6:38 PM

I don't know about George, but apparently the English language has already been slain.

"Will Georged be slayed," indeed! A pox on the editors of the Daily Mail.

Posted by: Cato the Elder at July 5, 2006 6:43 PM

Gramfan and Dennisw,

Re: Cat Stevens becoming Yusuf Islam. It must have been all the drugs in sixties. Daily hits of acid will mess up the brain completely. Some, like Charles Manson, formed their own cult of sex and murder. Stevens just found a cult of sex and murder that had been around for a long time.

Perhaps we can call him a "hippycrit"

Posted by: TexasInfidel at July 6, 2006 2:25 AM

>>Perhaps we can call him a "hippycrit"

Posted by: TexasInfidel

Yes indeed! And a few other choice words!

Posted by: Gramfan at July 6, 2006 8:30 AM

Voltaire wrote:

Thank you for that information about Englands attitude towards muslims, starting from 1840, when they fought against Russia to keep Constantinoble muslim.

If you have other information about how England has fought to protect muslim interests, please let us know.
...........

I think it was more short-sighted "realpolitic" than a protection of Muslim interests per se--rather like the Americans supporting Afghan mujihadeen against the USSR in the 1980s. Goes to show that you cannot just blindly follow "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" as a credo--sometimes they are even worse, and you should do nothing to strengthen them.

Posted by: gravenimage at July 6, 2006 6:49 PM

Ever wonder why we're always worried about offending them but they don't give a tinker's damn if they offend or kill us? They find the cross offensive. They find Western society offensive, but not so offensive that they would leave our countries and go back to their own, or give up their public assistance checks. I think we should offend them more. Cut off their foreign aid, make them pay the jizya, make them build churches, synogogues and temples in islamic countries, especially Saudi Arabia.

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at July 7, 2006 8:27 PM

I wonder how many in the west are prepared to reject the irrational parts of western culture, namely, the religions that base their systems on the magical revelations and utterances of supposed 'prophets'. It seems that christianity and judaism are siblings of islam, almost joined at the hip, happy to claim lineage to the 'prophet' Abraham, the would be child-killer who heard a voice telling him to kill. Today such a man would be properly locked in an institution -- penal or mental -- but in more primitive times such a man could be lauded and be the spiritual grandfather of many religions lasting thousands of years.
I believe that those who hold on to judaism and christianity thus endorse the irrational concept of prophets and tacitly endorse any other subequent prophetic babblings, perpetuating the irrationality that belief in magic prophets yields.
Irrationality is the friend and companion of islam. Only reason and logic can stand up to such mystical nonsense. The west's future rests on rejecting mysticism and religious nonsense.

Posted by: cheongyei at July 8, 2006 12:20 AM