Jesus has even been presented by Palestinians as the "the first Palestinian Shahid

That's a laugh. So he went round murdering people, did he? First I heard of it.

Posted by: Yojimbo at July 9, 2006 8:12 AM

"Jesus has even been presented by Palestinians as the "the first Palestinian Shahid – Martyr for Allah," [Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, January 17, 2005] applying to Jesus Islamic theology that evolved centuries later. On a culture program on Palestinian TV, a Palestinian artist depicted Israeli soldiers arresting Jesus, and explains that Jesus symbolizes the Palestinians."--from above.

This is very interesting. The Qu'ran denies that Jesus was killed on the cross. How can Jesus be the "Muslim" prophet of the Qu'ran when people are expected find such power in the image of his atoning death? Or, conversely, if Jesus' death on the cross was an "illusion" (as the Qu'ran states), what then happens to the Muslim "Palestinian" nation with which the curcifixion is identified?

My prayer is that this misappropriation might be used by Almighty God to open the eyes of millions of Muslims to the falsehoods in the Qu'ran, and hence to the falsehood of Muhammad's claim to being a prophet. May God turn them to find the true Messiah, whose blood atones for the world--and especially that they might become truly familiar with the Bible. For the moment, the symbol has been misappropriated, but God the Holy Spirit is powerful to do strange and marvelous things when people open the Bible and read it.

Posted by: Kepha at July 9, 2006 8:20 AM

Isn't this a reminder of how irrational the Islamic mind is? Islam teaches that Jesus was *not* crucified, (Judas was, in his place), yet here is Jesus' crucifixion (which they don't believe) used as an image of their suffering.

Any mindset that can hold simultaneously that Osama Bin Laden *AND* Mossad brought down the Trade Center, deserves pity and the constant vigilance one must have around people who are insane.

Posted by: miasarx at July 9, 2006 8:46 AM

Isn't this a reminder of how irrational the Islamic mind is? Islam teaches that Jesus was *not* crucified, (Judas was, in his place), yet here is Jesus' crucifixion (which they don't believe) used as an image of their suffering.

Any mindset that can hold simultaneously that Osama Bin Laden *AND* Mossad brought down the Trade Center, deserves pity and the constant vigilance one must have around people who are insane.

Posted by: miasarx at July 9, 2006 8:46 AM

Kepha,
The muslims never deny that Jesus was born. When talking to Christians. And they also talk about Moses (Musa they call him), and Gabriel (Gibral, or Jibral they call him), and Abraham (Ibrahim). That was how far I got with muslims in here. Thay say that all were sent by god, but muhammad was sent last, and therefore his word supersedes all, and it is not party to reform either. They say that muhammad was the last prophet (I have come to detest this word now) and no other messenger shall the god have.

I tried Krishna on him once, and he had the same reply. Yes, they were all sent by god, but muhammad was sent last, and he overwrites all that the previous said or did. And there shall be no other messenger by god. No other idols to worship or follow.

So. islam is fatal.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at July 9, 2006 8:54 AM

Arabs stealing something?

Who would ever have thought that after 1400 years of stealing just about everything: (history, inventions, holy words, young children, slaves, and virtually most of the civilised world's wealth) that they would keep it up still?

I am shocked.

If JC were truly still in his tomb he would be rolling over with shame at the connection.

Posted by: Zathras at July 9, 2006 9:02 AM

This is blasphemous! How dare they depict Jesus in cartoons!!!
Where are the Christians protesting this cartoon?

Where are those calling for death to all islamic nations because the Palestinians have made a cartoon and claim that Jesus was a muslim?

I thought it was an insult worthy of death to depict a "prophet" in a cartoon?

Oh, I guess that only counts when evil, infidel Westerners depict mohammed, the pedophile prophet, in cartoons.

Posted by: AIG at July 9, 2006 9:21 AM

Oh my God, this really is the final insult.

Posted by: DrWolffenstein at July 9, 2006 9:53 AM

This is very interesting. The Qu'ran denies that Jesus was killed on the cross. - Kepha!

Whoops! Right, right... it was Jesus' stunt double Roger who was martyred on the cross, but he was Palestinian, too!

Posted by: Shinoliite at July 9, 2006 11:06 AM

They are ripping off everyone else's culture since their moribund death cult produces nothing admirable.

Posted by: Dumbo at July 9, 2006 11:18 AM

Zathras: Arabs stealing something? yes!
AIG: blasphemous? yes!

The Islamic story of Christ is even worse for the following reasons. Jesus does not die on the cross, but he goes straight to heaven alive to come back later and show Christians their error in believing in his divinity. Also, Allah knowing the plot against Jesus supplies Judas to die on the cross instead of Jesus. The Islamic subplot is that Judas (the Jew) had it coming. The scheming Jew dies on the cross and is punished by Allah.

Islam recognizes no divinity in Christ. Rather the Moslems claim Christ's martyrdom is a hoax, the first holo-hoax. Moslems claim the death on the cross is just. Judas "justly" dies on the cross.

Only a Moslem would take a story about someone wrongfully killed on a cross in a dreadful manner and would usurp it as their story that Judas died on the cross, Judas had it coming and this is how Allah punishes.

Look at the irony of the Islamo Paleo himself claiming to be on the cross. By his own theology, he is not slated to die. He goes to heaven automatically. The Jews will be supplied to fill the crosses!

This irony probably does not escape the Islamic faithful! But for Paleos to claim the suffering of Christ on the cross when their theology holds that Judas is later slated to be there is a major deception. The Moslem Jesus goes straight to heaven. Only a perverted theologians who will stop at nothing will manipulate the theology of others for their own purposes as is done here keeping a straight face that Moslems also believe in Jesus.

Posted by: David England at July 9, 2006 11:33 AM

They steal everything else. They don't have the mentality to come up with anything on their own. It was only time before they stole Jesus.

Posted by: freewoman at July 9, 2006 11:35 AM

Time for more cartoons!!!

Posted by: freewoman at July 9, 2006 11:36 AM

Christ almighty, not even the Nazis were this shameless!

It would be as if death camp commandants caught in the Nuremberg Trials had portrayed themselves as 'victims of an Allied Holocaust of the Aryans'.

Cosmic thieves of the lowest order.

Posted by: profitsbeard at July 9, 2006 11:56 AM

Frankly, I am not suprised. Islam has been trying to steal both Jesus and Mary since its beginings.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 9, 2006 12:07 PM

Goes to show that when it is Muhammed, they go balistic, but if it is Jesus, no big deal. To the Arab Christians, this is the thanks that those in the Muslim community presents to you.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 9, 2006 12:12 PM

Assalamau-Laikum all,

Hello all,

I still have many visitors, relatives & friends coming & going & sympathising regarding my shor.

But even with all the comings & goings you need a little time on your own....I found a minute or two...so here are a couple of comments if you will permit me.

I am a little surprised that you peoples find this this image strange. Isa is clearly labelled as a muslim prophet in the Koran.

Muslims are entitled to call upon any or all of their prophets for help & salvation.

This includes the man with the stick Moses, Ibrahim, the beloved Isa with a cross, or the boatman Neu.

All prophets have the same message but each with a slightly different slant on it. We muslims are trying to find the right blend for re-living our glory days, these need to be rekindled...and one of the ways is to bring fresh blood and new peoples on board.

If you are more comfortable with the (softer)image of Isa related to Islam instead of Mohd ...then so be it...lets go with that for now, please don't be cross.

Posted by: Naseem at July 9, 2006 12:21 PM

The Muslims stole Jesus, Mary, Moses, Noah, John the Baptizer, Zechariah etc. as prophets for their religion/ideology and twisted them into something unrecognizable to anyone with a basic knowledge of history.

They stole the highest pre-Islamic poetry of Jewish, Christian and Pagan Arabia and used it in the compilation of the Quran.

They stole one of the Holy Names of God (Allah, from Eloi) used by Arabic speaking Christians and Jews and gave that sacred name to their Satanic demon deity.

They stole Byzantine churches to convert into mosques and then claimed Byzantine architecture as if it was an example of Islamic "civilization".

They've stolen countless thousands of little boys and girls to use (and abuse) as jannisaries and sex-slaves.

Finally, in the last century, they stole the name "Palestinian" which used to mean an indigenous Jew, Christian, or Samaritan, living in the Holy Land.

But even worse than all of this, Islam has stolen the souls of millions of people around the world and convinced them that following this evil lie is to follow God.

Posted by: Provoslavni at July 9, 2006 12:24 PM

Naseem,
any comparison between the Jew named Jesus and the present day Palestinians is mendacious, to put it charitably. Jesus preached love, kindness, peace; which included loving your enemies adn turning the other cheek. Doesn't sound like any Paleos I know.

Posted by: Dumbo at July 9, 2006 12:28 PM

Hi!! Naseem nice to see you still trying to be that creature of legend: the moderate muslim.

I do wish that instead of just posting here that you would spend more time trying to convince your more violent brethren to stop vilifying the "religion of peace" by their violence as it sort of ruins the whole concept.

David England....if you read the outline of the recently analysed testament of Judas, he is not guilty of anything other than doing what JC requested. As he was JC's most trusted and beloved disciple this sounds more likely than the usual historical version. I have always felt very uncomfortable with his supposed treachery as JC if anything was a good assessor of character.

In addition, the muslim version of JC seems to be more in keeping with the Syriac or nestorian versions than current ones although I am no expert here . Do you agree?

Posted by: Zathras at July 9, 2006 12:38 PM

Muslims are entitled to call upon any or all of their prophets for help & salvation....
posted by Naseem........

..

Hasn't helped yet has it? Calling on Jesus to do muslims dirty work is idiotic. If a deity is worth their salt, they would not bless people with indiscriminate violence.

Since muslims pray to the ground, that would be like praying to Satan. And with your 12th mahdi coming up out of a well.......well......Satan again.

Posted by: freewoman at July 9, 2006 12:49 PM

Assalamau-Laikum to you Naseem,

It's only been a week or so since you put the ol' man in the ground. You've made a remarkable recovery but we have Allah to thank for that. I would love to hear about your experiences being an Ahmadi in Pak but you don't wanna talk about that. You talk about how we should submit to Islam and things will be fine in the long run. Well I'm quite tempted by that. I won't have to be personally responsible for my actions, just have to listen to the imam on Friday. A bit more daily prayer. Yeah I think I could manage that O.K and I could take on some more wives. Would you consider me to be a suitable husband for you? My wife would be game if you are. You are a lady aren't you? I could run you business for you. Might even get you UK citizenship, what ya say babes? Just me and you.. and 'er in doors of course. R.S.V.P

Posted by: western infidel at July 9, 2006 1:07 PM

Naseem,

The historical Jesus may be an elusive figure, but one thing is for sure: the Islamic account, which is based on relatively late Gnostic writings (see the book, Why I am not a Muslim, by the Pakistani scholar Ibn Warraq) can be nothing other than fantasy.

It's as if someone were to assemble an account of what they thought you were like some 300 to 400 years hence on the basis of their (almost certainly faulty) understanding of scattered passed-on fragments of comments made by people about you here after you'd been posting and all based on what they wanted you to be like.

But that's not the point here. The point is that murderers - you know what the word we translatate "martyr" means to these people - are posing here as victims. (Of course, in Christian theology Christ was a willing victim - a ransom for many - but that's not what they're trying to convey.) It's a revoltingly cyncial move. If it's aimed at Westerners' symapthies it may, however, be something of a miscalculation. Posing as Christ is likely to make not a few people's flesh creep, even those who no longer believe he was more than a man.

Posted by: Yojimbo at July 9, 2006 1:09 PM

Whoa Western Infidel!

Be careful what you ask for! (wink)

On the other hand, maybe your wife could use some help around the house.

Hey, has Naseem ever mentioned if she has any "sister-wives"? Maybe there are two or three others in her household.

And you know, they'll be needing a certain amount of "servicing", since we know that muslim men are just too darned decent and god-fearing to ever take advantage of poor widows.

Posted by: AIG at July 9, 2006 1:39 PM

"So he went round murdering people, did he? First I heard of it."

Most of the 1+ billion Muslims today believe literally (with minor variations) that Jesus when he comes again at the end of history will lead a global army against the Dajjal (anti-Christ) and that Jesus will fight and kill all non-Muslims, and then will become the global Caliph of a global Caliphate for an Islam that has at that point become globally supreme.

I'm surprised that more Westerners and Christians don't know this basic fact about Islam.

Posted by: Television at July 9, 2006 2:03 PM

That is (supposedly) about the future, whereas I was referring to the past (insofar as it may be known) as I should have thought would be obvious from what I had said.

Posted by: Yojimbo at July 9, 2006 2:13 PM

Naseem browned me off with her comment about the west saving a lot of bloodshed if it embraced Islam.
It was all too reminiscent of the sacred duty of the Muslim generalissimo, down the centuries, to offer the infidel the choice of circumcision, tribute or death. I honestly believe that if you scratch a Muslim, however smiling and pacific the exterior, you'll find underneath the murderer of Theo van Gogh.

Posted by: wallyUK at July 9, 2006 3:53 PM

Don't worry wallyuk despite being a member of a nonviolent sect she and they still do absolutely NOTHING to improve the world except to lie by saying how much better it would be if the whole world acepted islam.Aske her just how the Sunnis and the Shiites see her sect.

Obviously she cannot read or else her news services must leave a lot to be desired for her to come out with such pious bull effluent so often. But then you must realise that she is a Muslim and most of them know nothing about the fallacies of their beliefs so brainwashed are they

From my experiences if you put 2 muslims on a desert island there will be only one left within a year as they will have found something that they do not have in common and would try to kill each other.(they actually have a joke which explains this better than I can do it)

If you ever venture into a muslim website and dare to speak openly like she does here you will be receiving death threats within minutes. But naturally that fine point is missed by people like her.

Posted by: Zathras at July 9, 2006 4:06 PM

Zathras: The Muslim version of Jesus is a hodge-podge of heresies discarded by ALL the churches--Latin, Greek, Syriac, Coptic, Armenian--of ancient times. The denial of his divinity was a commonplace of Elkasaites, Ebionites, and Arians. The juicy thing is that the denial of his passion was from the Docetists, who denied that Jesus was truly man!

The Jesus of the Syriac Bible is the same one you find in the English King James and Latin Vulgate versions--not surprising, since they were both translated from the same Greek urtexte.

Naseem, do you really think we Westerners might spare ourselves a lot of bloodshed by embracing Islam? Why within in a day of our submission, we'd be butchering ourselves over whether SHi'ah, Sunni, or Ibadi are right re the Caliphate, just like the Arab exemplars did before Muhammad's corpse was cold! ANd, how would the Ahamdis fare in such a scenario?

Sorry, but having the way, truth, and life (Jesus Christ) is infinitely better than killing ourselves over permutations of a human or demonic lie.

Posted by: Kepha at July 9, 2006 4:32 PM

And they think the Mohammed cartoons were offensive??? Pre-opting other's most sacred symbols in the most offhand manner.

By the way, if you study Muslim hagiography they will tell you that Jesus is in paradise stuffing his face and f-cking his brains out with houris and little boys in the Great Islamic Whorehouse in the sky.

This is the level of their spiritual intelligence.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at July 9, 2006 4:48 PM

Yojimbo,

"That is (supposedly) about the future, whereas I was referring to the past"

Past, present and future are all fused in the Muslim mind.

Posted by: Television at July 9, 2006 5:37 PM

Naseem, what I find strange about the image is that the koran says Jesus (Isa) did NOT die on the cross. Is this not haram in islam society?

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at July 9, 2006 7:17 PM

Naseem so disengenuously stated: "Isa is clearly labelled as a muslim prophet in the Koran."

Well that's fine. Now, tell me why was EVERYTHING Jesus taught us so completely ignored?

This is probably my last direct response to some DWJW troll ,such as Naseem. I grow weary of arguing with fenceposts.

Posted by: Pelayo at July 9, 2006 7:41 PM

Naseem;
If we are to believe you I hear you recently lost a spouse. You have my sympathy.

However you have much more sympathy from me for being born a muslim.

You can always re-marry to alleviate your marital status, but you haven't got the capacity to remove yourself from the cult of death without making the ultimate sacrifice, or rather someone making sure you make the ultimate sacrifice.

You are unable to convince us there are any redeeming features in islam.
Save yourself the trouble: stop bothering us.
We know the truth.

GIVE UP!!

Posted by: Gramfan at July 9, 2006 8:38 PM

Naseem, I am very sorry to hear about the loss of your husband. Please accept my sincere sympathy.
What will you do now? Being a muslim widow is a bleak prospect. I do pity you.

I think you should convert to Christianity and move to London permanently. Then you can go shopping without an escort and you won't have meddlesome muslims trying to hook you up with a new husband. You could choose your own or remain single with no social stigmas. Think of the possibilities!

Posted by: Susanp at July 10, 2006 12:55 AM

Interesting cartoon...

"looks closer at bulging tunic"

Isn't ...isn't that an ERECTION?"

Posted by: carpediadem at July 10, 2006 2:45 AM

This is very interesting, thanks to tell us this. Christ in islam isn´t resurrected and crucified but now they are using Christ crucified. A great contradiction.

Posted by: Franze at July 10, 2006 3:25 AM

Television,

Not in mine. I can't answer for yours, of course.

Posted by: Yojimbo at July 10, 2006 6:03 AM

(Sarcasm mode ON) I AM TOTALLY OUTRAGED!! I'm headed out to the street to riot and burn islamic flags and effigies of someone. If the islamists continue to print such cartoons, I'll just have to do something, like maybe go drink a beer, watch the girls at the pool, listen to music, watch the television, etc., etc., etc. (All the good stuff that a free man can do in a free country.) (Sarcasm mode OFF)

Posted by: CelticCoyote at July 10, 2006 9:53 AM

Naseem, nice pun "please don't be cross."
You are a vile creature.
Have a nice day.

Posted by: JanuaryMan at July 10, 2006 10:28 AM

To the-one-calling-themself-Naseem:

In a recent posting, you mentioned tour husband's death. I was surprised, perhaps as many others here, that you would trouble yourself to post anything while coming to terms with your loss. Many of the postings that day expressed their condolences to you.

I hope you understand that the condolences were offered to you freely as an act of kindness and charity, even though you express beliefs that are opposed to Western traditions, often in a repugnant manner. Jesus taught that such charity, doing good to your enemies, was Godly behavior. The founder of your religion taught otherwise.

And now we're treated to cartoons of Palestinians on the cross. I take it by your response that you view this image as appropriate. It is not. It is, however, a really good example of how Moslems can deny one thing out of one side of their mouth while affirming it with the other. The psychological term for this is cognitive dissonance, I believe, and the Moslem world appears to run on it. It's what makes many Moslems Olympic-classed liars: they don't know where the truth lies in the first place.

Posted by: Chatillon at July 10, 2006 11:36 AM

CORRECTIONS:

1) Jesus didn’t roam Judea-Israel. Israel ceased to exist more than 700 years earlier (Assyrian conquest); “Judea and Samaria” would be more correct.

2) "Palestina" was the name given to the Roman province of Judea (formerly the Kingdom of Judah, ended in 586 BC by neo-Babylonian conquest); it’s meaning is the land of the Philistines: "Palestinian" does not refer to "an indigenous Jew, Christian, or Samaritan, living in the Holy Land", as Provoslavni remarks. The Philistines were a people who came to the Levantine coast from the sea a short time after the arrival of the Israelites. There is debate among scholars as to their provenance: some say Anatolia, others say the Danube lands and still others say Mycenae. From their iron-working skills (the age of bronze was ending) and pottery style, my guess is that they arrived from Mycenae via Crete, where they stayed long enough to suffer a coarsening of their pottery style: a generation or two. That accords with the Bibles' saying the Philistines arrived from Capthor (Crete). Just a guess from an aficionado.

Also: regarding theft: in the story of the (non-) sacrifice of Isaac by his father Abraham, the Arabs replace the boy with their ancestor Ishmael. Since the Bible had been translated countless times before Islam was born and held in the hand of Christians who were often antagonistic to Jews it stretches the credulity that the Jews went back in a time machine to change Ishmael to Isaac as some to the more “faithful” of the faithful believe.

Posted by: AbuNudnik at July 10, 2006 11:48 AM

Yojimbo,

"Not in mine. I can't answer for yours, of course."

Not in your what?

Posted by: Television at July 10, 2006 12:52 PM

Unfortunately I missed Naseem's recent announcement, but does anyone really believe that a newly bereaved widow would take time to carry on with the dawa on JW/DW about anything and pass on word of her bereavement while she's at it?

Otherwise, claiming Jesus as a Muslim martyr has to be one of the grossest cases of cultural appropriation since Mohammed accused the Jews of corrupting the word of God in order to aid their conspiracies against him.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at July 10, 2006 4:21 PM

Waterdragon52

That was my thought. I made the mistake of condoling Naseem, believing her loss to be genuine. But her subsequent posts are all her usual posts, so either she is not normal, or she's faking this whole thing. I therefore went ahead and revoked anything nice I had said to her. You didn't miss much by missing her announcement (another point - inspite (or maybe because) of the liking that we may have for most people in this forum, how many of us really want to spill out our guts here?)

Apart from the fact that few of us, if bereaved, would have the inclination to post, the other glaring question that remains is - Would anybody be motivated by such an event to suddenly take up proselytizing our respective faiths towards the well-wishers?

Posted by: Infidel Pride at July 10, 2006 7:44 PM

I'm glad that so many people on the planet today are 'experts' on Jesus Christ, despite that the only record of his mere existence is contained in a fairy-tale called the Bible, which should be burned along with all the other 'holy' books that pinheads use to deny the tangible realities of science and cripple, if not flat out cause the extinction of humanity. Do stupid religious people get it yet?

WE ARE DESTROYING OURSELVES....your stupid fairy-tales are not worth dying for. I know, this is blasphemy...must follow Jesus Robot...must do what Jesus robot says.....must ignore all reality, and follow the words of Jesus robot. Must kill for Jesus Robot...Jesus Robot tells me not to kill, but I told Jesus Robot I must kill to protect Jesus Robot.

Noones knows jack about Jesus. The man died 2000 plus years ago, if he ever really even existed. PLEASE WAKE UP FROM YOUR TRANCES.

Posted by: JacksonWallace at July 11, 2006 7:13 AM

Infidel:

Naseem is a troll, and her posts very possibly the work of more than one person as there seems to be some noticable variation in the "voice" in which she writes.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at July 11, 2006 8:09 AM

abunudnik,
The traditional Jewish name for the whole Land of Israel, that is, the former kingdom of Judah, plus Samaria [former northern kingdom after the split of Israel, sometimes called kingdom of Israel in tandem with the kingdom of Judah], plus Galilee, Bashan [Golan], Gilead [Transjordan], the coastal plain, the northern Negev, parts of Transjordan, etc. The Romans called all of this territory Judea [IUDAEA]. Judea was not identical to the ancient kingdom of Judah, but was more comprehensive. The name "Land of Israel" is found twice in the New Testament in the book of Matthew, chap 2. The name Land of Israel is also attested in the Talmud [both Babli and Yerushalmi].

You are right that the Romans changed the name of Provincia Iudaea to Provincia Syria Palaestina, which was an act of suppression and hostility to the Jews after suppression of the Jewish Bar Kokhba revolt, and occurred in the year 135 CE, according to modern historians.

Posted by: Eliyahu at July 11, 2006 12:21 PM

I think the cartoon in Al Quds was a good move on the part of the palestinians. In this way, the islamic world (and esp. the pali world) shows it's true colors. As I have often written, (my favorite quote) - "by their deeds you shall know them" - well, these latest deeds should tell us a lot.

First: that Islam, being based on lies and theft, can not be expected to suddenly change course and act decently at any time in history.

Second: let them try to appropriate Jeshuah. He cannot be offended, he is way beyond all of this nonsense, and the judeo-christian world knows what it has going for itself.

Third: give the islamic world enough rope and it will hang itself. Even the europeans are starting to wake up and realize that oil and water do not mix.

And just to ponder: the israelis have to live side by side with this junk day in and day out. It is a credit to their stabil minds and incredible patience and longsuffering that they have not gone off the deep end (yet...), however, based on the rate that things are progressing in the region, Israel may very well lose it's cool in the next years, and then BOOM! And you know what? I wouldn't blame them.

How many of us americans would be able to put up with this palestinian pseudo "we are victims, we are victims" crap? I, for one, would not.

If this all were not so incredibly pitiful, I would laugh.

Greetings from Bonn, Germany.

Posted by: bonncaruso at July 11, 2006 4:51 PM

bonncaruso,

I am not suprised that stupid pictures like these show up. The truth is that slowly, but with a certain realization, the non-Muslim world is starting to wake up. Yesterday's bombing in India is a clear reminder that this is truly a world war.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 12, 2006 8:24 AM

Naseem -

I'm so sorry to hear that you lost your husband. Please take care of yourself and your children. I'll be praying for all of you.

Posted by: champ at July 13, 2006 1:59 AM

I realize that this isn't the main point, but has anyone else noticed how ugly and inept most Islamic art is? The above example features bad anatomy, a terrible composition, and bilious color.

It's pretty much been this way throughout history. There are a few exeptions, of course: beautiful tile work and calligraphy. You might mention Mughal Miniatures, but this style really dates from pre-Islamic Indian art forms--it was also controversial with more hard-line Muslims because it freely depicted humans and animals (including Mohammed himself, albeit with a veil or eerie blank face).

Most Muslim art is just wretched. I guess that's what comes of largely banning images as "un-Islamic". Certainly, there was never a Rennaissance in Muslim art.

Posted by: gravenimage at July 13, 2006 2:42 PM