This is why I dont support Rice for President in '08

Posted by: Elric66 at July 12, 2006 8:09 AM

This whole mess goes back to the 90's with the brake up of the former Yugoslavia after Tito's death.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 12, 2006 8:25 AM

Thats sad but true, but perhaps its not Condy to be blame cos she inherited pro muslim policy on balkans from clintons. I think that largest part of muslim albanian propaganda came from albanian false claims of their ancient iliryan roots, and they also like to said that albanians were the only nation who take jewish reffugess from europe (few thousands probably). This latter gave them support from few jewish politicians, regardless the fact that albanians have nazi guerilla in WW2 and that they all conspirate with them. Perhaps there is a truth in their claims about saving jews from holocaust, but much more jews were saved from serbs, who althogether with jews perished in hundreds of thousands in the balkans during grate war (specialy in Jasenovac). That axis from WW2 (croatian/bosnian nazis & albanian irredentists) found "beautifull" continuity in person like Agim Cheku, who was trained in croatian army, and after serbian demise in croatia, fled to his native albanians to continue what he knows the best-killing serbs.
BTW Today is commemorative day in place near srebrenica for about 3000 serbs killed by muslim forces during civil war (what is regarded as a gratest provocation for latter massacre in srebrenica). And also before two days, Serbs from Serbia, America and rest of the world celebrated 150 years of serbian gratest genius Nikola Tesla. And just as I expected, not a single word on BBC about serbian victims or serbian scientist.Just Mladic and Hague.

Posted by: svemirko at July 12, 2006 8:34 AM

G.W. is to blame....He appointed Condi...she is his girl. She does his bidding.

People act like Condi just does what ever she wants. She does what Bush/Cheney wants her to do. The president is responsible for foreign policy.

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at July 12, 2006 8:48 AM

This is why I dont support Rice for President in '08

Posted by: Elric66 at July 12, 2006 08:09 AM

Posted by: Shy Guy at July 12, 2006 8:56 AM

We wouldn't have disarray if our leaders would pull their heads out of their rear ends. NAME the problem. islam. Stop buying oil from islamic countries, let them suffer. Stop sending money to these countries. Let them suffer. Toss out the muslims, tear down the mosques and ban the koran. Don't allow muslims into our country for school or work or for visits.

Clean our house first. It's easier to get around without clutter.

Posted by: freewoman at July 12, 2006 8:58 AM

Some background on General Ceku

The reluctance to arrest the UCK´s military figurehead General Agim Ceku, an indicted war criminal. Many of our peacekeepers witnessed the barbarism committed by Ceku´s troops in Croatia in 1993 and 1995 and it is largely on the strength of Canadian soldiers testimony that The Hague War Crimes Tribunal has been forced to issue this rogue commander a sealed indictment.

Agim Ceku, an Albanian Kosovar by birth, began his military career as an officer in the former federal Yugoslavian Army (JNA). When the initial Yugoslav break-up occurred in 1991, Ceku was quick to switch his loyalty to the Croatian cause of independence. As a colonel in the Croatian army, Ceku commanded the notorious 1993 operation now known as the Medak Pocket.

It was here that the men of the Second Battalion Princess Patricia´s Canadian Light Infantry came face to face with the savagery of which Ceku was capable. Over 200 Serbian inhabitants of the Medak Pocket were slaughtered in a grotesque manner (female rape victims were found after being burned alive). Our traumatized troops that buried the grisly remains did collect evidence. Nevertheless in 1995, Ceku, by then a general of artillery, was still at large. In fact, he was the officer responsible for shelling the Serbian refugee columns and for targeting the UN "safe" city of Knin during the Croatian offensive known as Operation Storm. Just a few months after the Storm atrocities, Canada´s own Louise Arbour began making a name for herself as the chief prosecutor for The Hague tribunal. Despite the Canadian connection to these alleged crimes, Arbour and her lawyers chose instead to pursue more "politically prominent" individuals and seemingly little was done to bring Ceku to justice. Fast forward to January 1999 and the world´s attention begins to focus on a war ravaged Kosovo. With the blessing of the U.S. State Department, Agim Ceku took his retirement (at age 37) from the Croatian army and was pronounced Supreme Commander of the Kosovo Liberation Army (UCK).Throughout the air campaign against Yugoslavia, Ceku was portrayed as a loyal ally and he was frequently present at the NATO briefings with top generals such as Wesley Clark and Michael Jackson.Under terms of the Kosovo peace deal, Ceku´s Albanian guerrillas were to be disarmed and re-constituted into a UN sponsored, (non-military) disaster relief organization known as the Kosovo Protection Corps (KPC). ButCeku´s UCK never gave up their guns - nor their quest for a Greater Albania.Although he is nominally maintaining an ´arms-length´ posture towards his former comrades, Agim Ceku is still worshipped as a saviour by both the UCK troops and Albanian-minority in Macedonia.s this indicted war criminal continues to enjoy his freedom, bask in public attention, and collect a UN pay check All in the name of peace and justice.

Posted by: Mackie at July 12, 2006 9:08 AM

We the People of the United States are beginning to realize the nature of the war, the nature of the threat the jihadis pose to our civilization and the nature of the jihadis themselves. We are connecting the dots and they seem to be saying 'Allahu akbhar'.

We'll see about that.

In the meantime I continue to be encouraged by what I'm hearing and seeing from the common people. Those in power will either catch up or will be cast aside. Those who continue to push their own agendas and obfuscate the battlefield will be called out and minimized as well.

I see it coming people, I have no doubt now. What I'm concerned about is the timing. I hope we can reach the understanding we need and institute the policies and procedures needed before the next big event takes place on U.S. soil. That is the race we're in as far as I can see.

Sec. Condi Rice and Pres. Bush will retire and return to private life soon enough. The next group will have to frame things properly. I hope they do this before everything becomes crystal in the aftermath of a catastrophic event on U.S. soil.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at July 12, 2006 9:10 AM

I used to be supporter of G.W. and his lackey, Condi Rice, but no more after this insanity. With her hosting of the annual Ramadan pagan ball in Washington; her naive insistence that Islam is a 'religion of peace'; and now this, I think ‘Condi-Gurl’ has totally lost it! Prostituting her self with the likes of muslim terrorist, Ceku, is absolutely disgusting and should rightly be beneath the dignity of an American Secretary of State.

Posted by: descendantofacrusader at July 12, 2006 9:28 AM

But *why* are we backing the Kosovo Muslims and
why are we so hostile to the Serbs?!

Is it simply brown-nosing the Muslims?

Posted by: george_rem at July 12, 2006 9:37 AM

The fires which raged in the Balkans have not been extinguished, merely banked. There, as elsewhere in the world, jihadists are attemting to fan the flames and provoke full-scale aggression by moslems, who are being encouraged to attack the secular and Christian populations. Many tiny incidents happen every day and go largely unreported by the world's main-stream media.

In Bosnia-Herzegovina, the Kosovan province of Serbia, FyroM (the Former Yugoslavian Republic of Macedonia), Albania and southern Bulgaria large amounts of territory has been de facto ceded to the moslems by the civilised western nations in order to appease them and, so the hope runs, to satisfy them and keep them quiet.

FyroM hovers on the brink of moslem instigated civil unrest. In Bulgaria, south of a line which can be roughly drawn through Plovdiv, Stara Zagora and on to the coastal city of Burgas (the ancient Greek city of Pirgos) tens of thousands of moslems agitate daily for their 'rights' - amongst which they count as a 'right' their demand to be allowed to secede from Bulgaria and join Turkey.

In Albania secularists are fighting a rearguard action against islamists similar to that being fought (but not acknowledged) in Turkey between the Kemalists and the islamists. Albanian Christians, who make up less than 30% of the population (simply because they have been outbred by the moslems over the last three centuries - demographic conquest in action) are attacked on a daily basis, their children abducted, their churches burned or demolished, their homes and businesses confiscated on spurious legal grounds.

The Christian Kosovars (predominantly Serbs) have been, to all practical intents and purposes, ethnically cleansed from their historic heartland of Kosovo. Oubred, out-gunned and under daily armed attack (sometimes, allegedly, facilitated by UN and NATO forces) they have fled in their tens of thousands northwards towards Belgrade leaving behind just a few thousand brave souls who either cannot or will not leave - armed conquest in action.

In Bosnia-Herzegovina the Christians and the secularists fare no better. Attacked daily by armed jihadis. Religious sites razed to the ground, young beaten or kidnapped, driven into ghettos in the towns and deprived of their rights as the moslems take over and run rings around the UN/NATO appointed administration this is nothing more than a conquest by bullying.

In the newly independent Republic of Montenegro about 20% of the population is moslem and they have already started to agitate for 'reform' of the constitution to incorporate some aspects of sharia so-called law. Some are even calling for the right of the provinces with majority moslem populations to secede and join Albania. Trouble is brewing here and, privately, senior figures in the heirarchy of the Montenegrin Orthodox Church are said to be warning political leaders about moslem intentions.

Now look at a map of the Balkans. If the moslems get their own way, and they almost have, civilised western Europe will have ceded to the moslem barbarian horde territory which will stretch in a huge swathe from the Euxine Sea (the Black Sea) to the Mare Hadriaticum (the Adriatic).

This, surely, is conquest - but worse, oh so much worse, this is dhimmitude practised, in our name, of the most colossal sort. It is treason in the broadest sense of that word. It is abdication of all their responsibilities for the long-term security of the civilised world by its legions of politicians (and I use the word 'legions' in a deliberate attempt to draw your minds back to the appeasements offered to the Hun, Vandal and Visgothic hordes by the Roman Emperors and their Legions). It is an abject, cowardly and pointless (as all of us who frequent this site know) appeasement of the barbarian horde. It is wholesale redrawing of the map of south-west Europe, both demographic and political, without our consent and, because of our weak and spineless media, without our knowledge.

As our incompetent and wilfully ignorant politicians conspire to draw the inhuman and ungodly veil of islam over these culturally rich and ethnically diverse European countries and provinces, as they conspire to eliminate all secular and Christian life from these areas (part of our heartland, of our patrimony) and to hand them lock, stock and barrel to the barbarian moslems what are we going to do? What can we do?

Someone, anyone, please tell me: what is the way forward from here?

Dominic.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at July 12, 2006 9:48 AM

why is condi(USA goverment) supporting a terrorist the KLA had strong links to alquieda and she wants kosovo to be independent i guess this is just a attack by the west on orthodox christians and they use muslims as tools against orthodoxy becasue they do not see us as true christians sometimes i wonder if the evangelical baptist christian usa goverment is any better then the muslims

sometimes its hard to tell who the real enemy is

Posted by: Greek Gurl at July 12, 2006 9:57 AM

She, Condi, does not represent me. There is a chasm between our leaders and the great unwashed. I've never seen it so broad. She, Condi, does believe her own prattling about the religion of peace. I do not trust our own government. I am not a yahoo, just a realist. Saudi money runs through our governments sclerotic arteries; Condi and W know whats in store for their families out of office: a speaking gig on Dubai(or two).

Last week, I visited my hometown of Chicago. It was almost a foreign country. Burkhas everywhere. Lots of youths; brothers, walking Michigan Ave late at night, looking at the Kufir stores.

The fact that this idiot, Condi meets with a Islamic terrorist(superfluous use of two words) should place her up on charges. Yes, the harp should be investigated. I have a pet theory on her. Madeline Albreight(AKS Madeline Korbel I'm ashamed and shocked to be of 'Jewish descent') is pulling the strings. Her father instructed Condi in the art of dhimmitude. There is great respect between these two beauties.

Posted by: biorabbi at July 12, 2006 10:12 AM

The loss of Russia, or rather the recapture of Russia by bolshevisant and naturally despotic rulers, was not inevitable. The United States is often blamed for things for which it does not deserve the blame. But successive American governments did fail, from Clinton on, to properly deal with Russia, to take into account what 70 years of Bolshevism had done.

Having such self-promoters and world-conquerers such as Jeffery Sachs appear in Russia to fix everything, push their way into Russia and, without any knowledge of Russian history, or of the mental makeup of those who had lived in the Soviet system, proceed to inflict all kinds of ill-thought-out instantaneous "reforms." In Sachs's case, and those who think like him, the great thing in the world, the only thing, is economics. Man is homo economicus, and onlythat. And free-market fundamentalism, the supposed need for being thrust at once into the cold bath of capitalism, showed a complete miscomprehension of Russia. And Sachs's experience with Poland, a very different country with a much more limited experience of Communism, showed that he, and those of his ilk, could not stop to be bothered with little things like detailed and specific knowledge of Russia and the former Soviet republics, had no idea that, for example, it was inevitable that former managers of state enterprises would know exactly what things were worth, and know how to take advantage of the new situation to privatize most of the country's former state-owned assets, into their own portfolio. Nor did all those bright Americans think much about those Russians on fixed-incomes -- those teachers, those professors, many of them too old to be transformed into biznesmeny and biznesmenky, and besides, why should they? The damage to Russian education and culture, a result of the sudden collapse of the economic wellbeing of so many in this vast group, may be irreparable.

And the Americans never thought about how their actions elsewhere would play into the conspiracy theories, about diabolical Americans wishing to weaken Rus', to not merely destroy Communism, but to humiliate Mother Russia. Of course it was all nonsense. It was Yeltsin, in a drunken stuopor, who gave away much of the Soviet Union when there was no need to do so. Those "diabolical Americans" had nothing to do with it. Nor was there, as even many educated Russians seem to think, all kinds of celebrating in Washington over the weakening of Russia and the breakup of the Soviet Union. Not at all. It was something worse: ignorance and indifference.

Clinton liked to reward his friends, those he had met at Yale or at Oxford, as we all know. Robert Reich never did much to stand up to the globalization mania of Rubin and others in the Administration, but he did parlay his time as Secretary of Labor into a later career as instant pundit (gravely worried about that same "globalization") and professor and extraordinarily well-paid lecturer as the Man Who Feels the Pain of the Poor and the Middle Class. Before moving from Cambridge to Berkeley, he sold his house off Brattle Street for $12.5 million. “Clinton has been very good to me.”

And then there is Strobe Talbott, former Time journalist who, because he knew some Ruissian -- likely about as much as Condoleeza Rice (why, he even wrote his senior thessis at Yale on Tiutchev), was presented as an "expert" on Russia. Not Igor Birman, not Anders Aslund, not all kinds of economists but also such Russians, who knew what would or could happen, given the history of Russia and the way people had learned to behave – such people as Garry Kasparov and Yelena Bonner, or for that matter Kasianov the politician (or his brother the physicist), and others who are now part of the opposition to Putin.

But a great part of the problem was the American bombing of the Serbs. In Russia, the effect then, and even more since, has been terrible. It was seen as an attack on a historic ally of Russia, and the whole thing becomes mixed up with memories of the Bulgarian Wars in 1876-1878, and South Slavs, and seeming American indifference to Russian desires, Russian needs. America was taking the side of Muslims against Slavs. Of course it wasn’t, and of course Clinton and Albright and others had no conception of how this might effect Russian popular attitudes, attitudes of suspicion about American motives and desires. And to reply that there was no other way of dealing with Milosevich – is that true? Was there no other way? And should not the Americans, had they realized how this would naturally be used by those already inclined, in Russia, to conspiracy theories about American attentions, have insisted that other powers – England, France, anybody – done whatever bombing was deemed minimally necessary?

Meeting with a Muslim with known terrorist sympathies in Washington, helping perhaps to prepare the ground for a further loss of territory by Serbs, is wrong and stupid. But it is even more unusually stupid and wrong when one considers the effect on Russia.

In its foreign policy, what is it Americans wish from the Russian government? We would wish that it would be adamant in demanding that the Islamic Republic of Iran stop its nuclear project, and that it would do so because it finally realizes that it is not Chechnya alone that is at stake, but all of the Caucasus, and indeed all of Russia (when one considers the relative growth of the Muslim and non-Muslim poulations). If we are to appeal to this, to urge Russia to worry about Islam, and hence about Iran or any other Muslim state acquiring such weaponry, it does not make sense to appear to support, in any way, Muslims who wish to take away territory dear to the Serbs, long after it has become clear that all over Bosnia there are Arabs promoting Jihad and a much more fanatical brand of Islam than the one that had, since the Ottoman power receded, had been forced to develop as a way of adjusting to now-powerful Christians or, under Tito, to non-Muslim Communist rule.

And what would the American government like most in Russia today? Certainly it would prefer to see the liberals, those who met recently, as best they could, to protest the Putin regeime, gain power. But part of the problem is that the conspiracy theories about the United States prevent the Americans from offering, and those liberals from accepting, support. Any meeting of Rice with a Muslim from Kosovo, with the kind of background that this man has, will be used to inflame Russian sentiment.

Does any of this matter? Are there people in the State Department who will explain the connection between American inattention to Serbian needs, and the widespread and still growing hostility towards, and suspicion of, the United States, even among otherwise sensible Russians?

Why should the Americans give any sign whatsoever of favoring the enlargement of Muslim-controlled territory in Europe? This is crazy. This makes no sense – or rather, it makes sense if those making policy still do not understand that the Jihad is a permanent duty, and not merely some recent, anomalous expression of a supposed sense of “humiliation” felt by Muslims (the “humiliation” is manufactured and phony; Muslims may claim they feel “humiliated” whenever they are asked to simply stop waging war against non-Muslims. No doubt the Muslims in Indonesia, attacking Christians and destroying thousands of churches over the last few years, feel “humiliated” by the fact that Christians dare live and practice Christianity openly, and no doubt the Muslims in Sudan for two decades felt “humiliated” by the refusal of the
Non-Muslims in the south to submit, and no doubt the Muslims in Denmark feel “humiliated” that the Danes continued imperturbably to practice, and not merely regard as a theoretical possibility, their right of free speech, and no doubt the Buddhist monks and schoolteachers murdered in southern Thailand owe their deaths to some “humiliation” that the local Muslims feel in not having their demands met, and the same “humiliation” (not being given an indepdent territory) explains the behavior of Muslims in the southern Philippines. And so on. “Humiliation.”

We should be proving to the Russian public that we are on the side of the Serbs, not the Muslims. We should ask them to do the same with Iran – prove that they are on the side of the Infidels, and not the Muslims.

This, perhaps, is beyond this Administration, as it was beyond that of Clinton.

No one talks about “Who Lost Russia?” the way they once talked about “Who Lost China?” and then proceeded, idiotically, to blame Owen Lattimore when it was Chiang Kai-shek, and the whole history of modern China, that helped to “lose China.” In the case of Russia, the American inability to figure out how not to supply ammunition to the conspiracy theorists in Russia, continues to astonish.

Posted by: Hugh at July 12, 2006 11:26 AM

It looks to me that the U.S. administrations, past and present, are dominated by two things.

First, they are overly concerned about how this country looks on the "world stage." They want to appear "even-handed" in various conflicts so as to gain and hold a reputation for being the neutral "honest broker." They are most terrified that they might be accused of being "unilateralist" or "cowboyish" or "behaving as an American bull (bully) in the world's china shop."

Second, they suffer from a lack of imagination (and acknowlegment of historical realities), in that they cannot conceive of even the remotest possibility that the United States, as we know it, might actually be destroyed by Islam. There is an apparent belief that, in the modern world of global communications and global trade, that history has stopped--past events are irrelevant to analysis of current affairs in general, and of Islam in particular.

Therefore, the policy they create is tied to maintaining stability in every region of the world--as Robert, puts it, the "1938" mentality. By "not threatening," and occasionally supporting, the Muslims, the administration thinks they can defuse the threat of a global shooting war. By maintaining maximum cultural contact with Muslims, they believe they can influence Muslims, individually and collectively, in a peaceful direction, for all future time.

The obvious, not-so-funny jokes are that 1. Islam has already declared war on the west, 2. Muslims interpret today's events entirely from an (often false) historical view (the Crusades may just as well have occurred yesterday, and dreams of Andalusia and the Caliphate are prevalent), 3. any act of conciliation by the west is interpreted as weakness before a superior ideology, and encourages more aggression, and 4. any cultural contact with Muslims merely reinforces their Koran-sourced beliefs about how the infidel is decadent and so must be overcome by deception and violence and his illegitimate civilization must be destroyed.

Posted by: Stendec at July 12, 2006 11:46 AM

Hugh, well done! I know something about Eastern Europe and how people think there, and you're right on the money. Your knowledge of the matter is unusual for an American.

A thing that needs to be mentioned is that Germany has pushed as hard as Clinton for the use of military force against the Serbs.

Posted by: george_rem at July 12, 2006 11:54 AM

"Germany has pushed as hard as Clinton for the use of military force against the Serbs."
-- from a posting above

Yes, and still worse was what Germany, the memory of whose soldiers has not been forgotten by those who fought with Draha Mihailovic and their descendants and their admirers, just as Operation Kozara (Lt. Kurt Waldheim given a medal for his participation in that non-stop atrocity), did at the very beginning of Yugoslavia's break-up. For it was Germany that first recognized one of the former constituent parts of Yugoslavia, Germany that with unseemly haste seemed to welcome that breakup.

And just as Serbs were horrified by the published plans of Izetbegovic to reinstute Muslim rule (if one seeks to know what that Muslim rule did, read Ivo Andric's Ph.D. thesis, recently republished in English as "The Development of Spiritual Life in Bosnia Under the Influence of Turkish Rule"), and this was never understood by a completely uncomprehending and therefore unsympathetic West, they were also horrified by what Germany -- whose behavior during the war could not be washed away by the spectacle of German tourists coming to the Dalmatian coast or Brioni for a little nude sunbathing which, to many non-Germans, still smacks of something vaguely unpleasant and Hitler-Jugendish, the complacently hedonistic possessors of those glistening blonde bodies, oblivious visitors to the scenes of crimes that not all the locals have forgotten, whether in Tuscany or Umbria, in Poland or Czechoslovakia, and in Greece or Yugoslavia. The brave new E.U. may, some think, have ended that historic memory; they are wrong. There is no expiration date for such memories.

Posted by: Hugh at July 12, 2006 12:34 PM

"Germany has pushed as hard as Clinton for the use of military force against the Serbs."
-- from a posting above

Yes, and still worse was what Germany, the memory of whose soldiers has not been forgotten by those who fought with Draha Mihailovic and their descendants and their admirers, just as Operation Kozara (Lt. Kurt Waldheim given a medal for his participation in that non-stop atrocity), did at the very beginning of Yugoslavia's break-up. For it was Germany that first recognized one of the former constituent parts of Yugoslavia, Germany that with unseemly haste seemed to welcome that breakup.

And just as Serbs were horrified by the published plans of Izetbegovic to reinstute Muslim rule (if one seeks to know what that Muslim rule did, read Ivo Andric's Ph.D. thesis, recently republished in English as "The Development of Spiritual Life in Bosnia Under the Influence of Turkish Rule"), and this was never understood by a completely uncomprehending and therefore unsympathetic West, they were also horrified by what Germany -- whose behavior during the war could not be washed away by the spectacle of German tourists coming to the Dalmatian coast or Brioni for a little nude sunbathing which, to many non-Germans, still smacks of something vaguely unpleasant and Hitler-Jugendish, the complacently hedonistic possessors of those glistening blonde bodies, oblivious visitors to the scenes of crimes that not all the locals have forgotten, whether in Tuscany or Umbria, in Poland or Czechoslovakia, and in Greece or Yugoslavia. The brave new E.U. may, some think, have ended that historic memory; they are wrong. There is no expiration date for such memories.

Posted by: Hugh at July 12, 2006 12:35 PM

a supposed sense of “humiliation” felt by Muslims (the “humiliation” is manufactured and phony...

It's another word that cannot be understood apart from the special Islamic lexicon:

"peace" = when resistance to Islamic domination is overcome by conquest and/or slaughter

"suicide" = "forbidden in Islam" yet seeking one's own death in order to defend Islam is the highest act a Muslim can do to assuage with utter certitude his anxiety about whether Hell or Paradise will be his eternal destination

"self-defense" = oppressing and/or killing those who resist Islamic domination

"humiliation" = the psychological effect of any act by Infidels that challenges Islamic supremacy.

(There are many more such words that have a topsy-turvy meaning in the Islamic lexicon: just as Muslims pioneered the Nazi yellow star designator for Jews, so Muslims pioneered Orwellian Newspeak.)

Posted by: Television at July 12, 2006 1:34 PM

mr Hugh should write a book, and then receive a nobel prise for political correctness.
just jockin. now if I may: as a serb and slav and christian I know a little bit russian sentiments. They were almost always antiwest because of some historical reasons deeply rooted from middle ages (german invasion by teutonic crusaders and later napoleon). But Russians also suffer at the same time from estern mongolian hordes. That feel of constant threat from west and east shape during time a feel about some kinde of speciality. Russians do like to see themselves as some kinde of bridge of east and west, and they successfully feed themselves with that story particulary because noone can point to Russia as truly western or genuine oriental place. And russian orthodox church played a major role in importing that feeling in russian soul. On the other hand, always shortsightened WASP policy led to probabbly most greatest disaster to both: Russo western relations and christian positions on middle east. I think of Crimea war. It make some sence of betrayal to russians by the west. Now wery simmilar feeling is today in Serbia. Many people (paticulary among bosnian serbs) see themselves as guardians on frontline against jihad. But than there was our allyes from both world wars who agree that we are a wrong side. And germans was a pioneers in helping of our demise (probabbly a little bit of vengenance for our sideing in WW1/2). So we made a saying here: "Germans newer betrayed any of his ally". Offcourse far from that serbia is important to germans (or anybody else). Deutchland siding with muslims on any bigger issue just show that there is a bitter sence of defeat and thus wish for vengenance on west, because west side with a east against fuhrer. Similary russians having lost cold war also feels frutrated toward americans who simply doesnt care about russian feelings, sentimnts or interests. American administration on one way act similary as germans did after they invade russia. There is numerous reports that in many places germans was welcomed as liberators from staljin iron hug, but it was just german proudness and cruelty what turned russians completely against them. What was past was prologue.

Posted by: svemirko at July 12, 2006 1:42 PM

Albanians claim they are illyrians they are not they are just left over turks from the ottoman empire that occupied kosovo in the middle ages

condi and bush are lying hypocrites and sympathizers of terrorist what a nerve the american goverment has. Today serbs are remebering the 3500 dead victims serbs in bosnia and not one word of it mentioned in the media and at the same time condi is telling the terrorist muslim ceku that she will help muslim albanians have kosovo.

the war on terror is a Lie and a joke and its very hypocritical how can bush say he went into iraq becasue saddam has links to alquieda then he invites ceku a terrorist who has links to alquieda to washington to say to him you can have kosovo

Posted by: Greek Gurl at July 12, 2006 1:52 PM

I rember when bosnian muslims where remebering there dead it was all over the media why isnt it in the media when serbs remeber there dead?

Posted by: Greek Gurl at July 12, 2006 1:54 PM

"I rember when bosnian muslims where remebering there dead it was all over the media why isnt it in the media when serbs remeber there dead?"

Because Serbs are (reflexively perceived to be) whiter and (are in fact) more Western -- therefore they must be the bad guys and must not be given the benefit of the doubt as the (reflexively perceived to be) browner and (in fact) less Western Bosnian Muslims.

Posted by: Television at July 12, 2006 3:38 PM

"Lots of youths; brothers, walking Michigan Ave late at night, looking at the Kufir stores"

I see it in India. Leave alone the malls, they stare at the showrooms, never daring to step inside. They can't afford the most basic of things being sold in there. And they simply OGLE at jeans wearing girls.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at July 12, 2006 11:23 PM

putin was online the other day taking questions posted online by people on the bbc. I posted a question about Kosovo. he did not answer it. Kosovo was mentioned by him but he spoke as it was a given it would secede. He was using it as an example to try to deduce why we should logically allow him to force the Georgians to allow Abkazia to secede. When the reporter compared this to Chechnya he thought there was no comparison since he allowd the Chechnyans to vote on their fate. Not only is he a hypocrite but he is willing to allow the Jihadists to win in multiple countries. He showed his true colors and I don't like what I saw. I don't like american foreign policy and its frightening how no one else gets it either.

Posted by: pissedoffcanadian at July 13, 2006 1:52 AM

by the way, some of the palestinian Arabs so beloved by the BBC, the EU, and the State Dept, are descendants of Bosnian Muslims settled on Israel's coast after the Congress of Berlin [1878] by the Ottoman Empire. Laurence Oliphant also notes Circassians settled nearby in Israel by the Empire. Oliphant claimed that these Circassians had taken part in the Bulgarian massacres of the late 19th century. I would add that Bosnian Muslims had committed atrocities against the Serbian rebels before the Congress of Berlin assigned Bosnia to Austro-Hungarian control while remaining under Ottoman sovereignty. See link to Oliphant:
http://ziontruth.blogspot.com/2006/07/palestinian-arabs-are-also-bosnians.html
How come the Commies and their Bolshie forefathers claimed that imperialism was bad, yet exempted the Ottoman Empire from the opprobrium due to imperialists?
http://ziontruth.blogspot.com/2005/10/bolsheviks-for-jihad-genocide-stalins.html

Above posters mention German role in bringing about the most recent Yugoslav horrors by supporting Slovenian independence without any regard for Yugoslav unity as a bulwark of peace there at that time. Let me add the efforts of Misha Glenny, described as a BBC journalist, to smear the Serbs and whitewash the Bosnian Muslims at an early stage. Glenny wrote two or three books, published by Penguin, I believe, around 1990-1991, which set the stage for singling the Serbs out as the bad guys. He admitted the anyhow notorious pro-Nazi role of the Croatian Ustashi, then portrayed the Bosnian Muslims of the WW2 period as innocents. Thus, Glenny --through his big lies-- contributed his mite to the barbarism and mass murder that later transpired in "former Yugoslavia."

I'd like to go back to what Hugh mentioned as the strong presence of Arab jihadists in Bosnia now. Therefore, the Western powers created a jihadi terrorist base only a few hundred miles/kilometers from Rome, which the Western govts pretend to look up to as a source of their civilization.
[can somebody supply a more correct distance from Sarajevo to Rome?]

Posted by: Eliyahu at July 13, 2006 2:13 AM

I saw Amir Kusturica here in Jerusalem a few years ago at the premiere of one his films at the Cinematheque. He and his film were full of contempt for the Western press and its lies about the Yugoslav situation. I have no doubt that many in the MSM would like to see in Israel what happened in Yugoslavia. Their lies pave the way for war and terrorist atrocities.

Posted by: Eliyahu at July 13, 2006 2:22 AM

pissedoffcanadian that is very worrying that putin does not give a damn about kosovo I thought he did seeing that russia is orthodox christian country. I guess putin also wants to appease muslim i thought russia was the only hope to stoping the turk muslims Russia could have stoped clinton going into kosovo but russia didnt do nothing just critised america only.

when clinton told russia that they would pay a price for being in chechnya russia threatened nuclear war why didnt it do the same with kosovo? had russia done that clinton would not have risked a nuclear war over kosovo. instead putin wants to give nuclear weapons to iran what a moron he is suppose iran decides to give those nukes to chechens? it seems the usa goverment and russian goverment are completley usless and cowardly they just helping muslims terrorist becuase they have a grudge with each other

Posted by: Greek Gurl at July 13, 2006 9:32 AM

Greek gurl:

The Russian government has become an Islamic accomplice if you haven't already guessed that. Russia is now selling much of its weapons technology to IRAN, which continues to be one of the world's largest state sponsors of Islamic terror and is in cahoots with most Islamic terror networks, including al-Qaeda.

We can NOT look to Putin or Russia for help in dealing with global jihad. It is not forthcoming. I have even suspected that Putin has seretly converted to Islam--he's publicly referred to himself as the Islamic world's "best friend."

Do NOT trust Vladimir Putin under ANY circumstances.

The Russian government is interested in only one thing: POWER. The Russkies are not choosey as to how they acquire that power either. Beware.

Posted by: pythagoras at July 13, 2006 2:58 PM