"Zapatero on Friday said Israel was wrong in attacking Lebanon and he called on the United Nations and European Union to "actively intervene" to stop the fighting." Quote..

Why is it wrong? To respond to the actions from another within your border, taking hostages, killing?

THe son of god told us to turn the other cheek, knowing full well everyone has but two.

Posted by: Islofob IS-1 at July 16, 2006 10:49 AM

Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero said Saturday that Israel's offensive against Lebanon could fuel radical Islam, as he said the war in Iraq had done.

What he still has to realise is that whatever we do to protect ourselves, it will be construed as offensive to muslims and islam. It is surprising that this is not understood by a PM, and one that is of a country that was under islamic tutelage for centuries.

Posted by: DP111 at July 16, 2006 11:17 AM

"Mideast fighting to fuel radical Islam"

I thought that being a non-moslim is sufficient to fuel radical Islam....

Posted by: Jan Vink at July 16, 2006 12:09 PM

That's right!

Zapatero means;

"You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile."

The man is an utter buffoon and an enemy of freedom

Posted by: Turbinehead at July 16, 2006 12:46 PM

Not exactly El Cid Campeador. Aren't you glad the spirit of Zapatero didn't win out during the 500 years it took for the Reconquista? Imagine a fully-islamized Spain. It would look something like Morocco today. No Fray Luis, no Teresa of Avila, no Guillen de Castro, no Cervantes, no Quevedo, no Gongora, no Ortega, no Unamuno, no Guillen. And the Spain that lay claim, and helped civlizationally to fashion, what is now called the Hispanidad, been Muslim, there would have been no Ruben Dario, no Sarmiento, no Bello, no Alfonso Reyes, no Borges, no Octavio Paz, no Mario Vargas Llosa and, come to think of it, probably no Machado de Assis, no Jorge Amado or Clarice Lispector in Brazil (assuming that that like Spain, Portugal had been thoroughly and permanently islamized).

And since painting of most types is forbidden in Islam, no El Greco, no Velazquez, no Goya, no Picasso. La princesa esta triste, you say? Oh, many more than just that princesa.

Without the throwing back of the forces of Islam, Spain would have steadily islamized. As the Christians and Jews converted to Islam to avoid the intolerable pressure of dhimmi status, as their relative numbers decreased steadily, whatever real or phony "convivencia" that could be found (whatever cultural flourishing took place under Muslim rule, always died out after a century or two or three, as the fructifying influence of the indigenous non-Muslims ended, and they were made marginal in their own lands) and is made so much of by the mariarosamenocals of this world, would have ended. Spain, becoming completely islamized, sinking ever more steadily would bynow have for many centuries looked just the way -- well, just the way Morocco now looks. Like what you see in Morocco? Impressed with the level of its cultural achievements? Wish that Spain could be more like Morocco, or Morocco more like Spain, or do you love them both because all god's chillun are in your view always exactly the same, and all "cultures" exactly of equal worth and that's all that matters, not the belief-system and what it means.

Had the Reconquista not occured, then Spain today would look like the Maghreb lands before the French arrived for a brief interval of non-Muslim laws, customs, civilization. It would indeed look like Morocco, or perhaps Algeria, or Libya, or Egypt, or Tunisia. Impressed? And if Zapatero and his EU ilk have their way, perhaps not only Spain, but France, and Italy, at the very least, will in several decades begin to look more and more like "the Other" on the oppoosite side of la mer blanche du midi -- the "white sea" of the Mediterranean.

What's what the hopeless, hapless, deux-rivistes want. Some kind of tariq-ramadansih "syncretism." Use your imagination. Look at all the examples of places where Islam arrived. What did it do? What was its effect?

All you are asked to do is to think just a little bit ahead, by learning just a little bit about the past. Not much to ask, considering the stakes.

Only that, and nothing more.

Posted by: Hugh at July 16, 2006 2:21 PM

I wish they'd stop saying RADICAL islam. It's just plain ole islam.

Posted by: freewoman at July 16, 2006 2:28 PM

Correction: The archdhimmi Zapatero, had he been around in 1939, would have been skedaddling out of Spain to get away from Francisco Franco.

Posted by: Kepha at July 16, 2006 2:55 PM

Meanwhile, more RADICAL whining, crying, and begging from nasarallah.

"Nasrallah calls for aid from Arab world" from www.jpost.com

Posted by: freetoBEfree at July 16, 2006 3:06 PM

gorniak:

Yes, it does make you wonder about the Spanish people, doesn't it? They eagerly obeyed mass murderers and elected this clown in the first place, and I'm not aware of any outcry about any of his posturing or his sixth-form political policies.

It does seem a little odd, quite frankly.

Posted by: enemyofislam at July 16, 2006 7:55 PM

Hugh,

You forgot to mention that had this "Islamic Spain" found the New World, Latin America would be Islamamerica.

Or perhaps we would still be content with but half the world.

Posted by: St. David, King of Georgia at July 16, 2006 10:26 PM

Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero said Saturday that Israel's offensive against Lebanon could fuel radical Islam, as he said the war in Iraq had done.

Presumably, this man is well educated yet he, like so many other European and American "leaders", is ignorant of history and in Zapatero's case, the history of his own country! These left-wing morons must really believe that if you're extra nice to a nest of vipers, they won't strike. What fools they are, and the people who elect them. How much more empirical evidence do they need to see the Islamic agenda and to understand the muslim ethos?

The only "fuel" necessary to provoke muslim lunatics is the existence of non-muslims. If the worthless United Nothing had enforced its resolution requiring Lebanon to disarm Hezbollah, Israel's offensive wouldn't be happening. If Lebanon could not do it alone, the UN should have provided assistance. After all, world peace is putatively its primary mission (yeah, right). From what I understand, the Lebanese people despise Hezbollah but are terrified of them, and rightly so.

It's too bad that Lebanese civilians are suffering because an Iranian muslim terrorist organization set up shop uninvited in Beirut so it could be as close as possible to Israel, but what did they expect? The filthy muslim terrorists in Syria, Iran, and Palestine have destroyed a beautiful, peaceful little country that was once a jewel. How devastating it must be for the Lebanese people to have their nation used as a staging ground for Arab terrorists and jihadists, and to watch helplessly as it is bombed to smithereens over and over again.

Posted by: Susanp at July 16, 2006 10:49 PM

"You forgot to mention that had this 'Islamic Spain' found the New World, Latin America would be Islamamerica."
-- from a posting above

No I didn't. You may have read quickly over this allusion to that very that:

"And the Spain that lay claim, and helped civlizationally to fashion, what is now called the Hispanidad, been Muslim, there would have been no Ruben Dario, no Sarmiento, no Bello, no Alfonso Reyes, no Borges, no Octavio Paz, no Mario Vargas Llosa and, come to think of it, probably no Machado de Assis, no Jorge Amado or Clarice Lispector in Brazil (assuming that that like Spain, Portugal had been thoroughly and permanently islamized)."

Posted by: Hugh at July 17, 2006 12:24 AM

Zapatero's comments aren't very surprising. This is a man who is hell bent on turning his country back centuries to the times when Spain was occupied by Islam - only this time he's ensuring that it's done the 'legal way' - ie through that really useful government tool called the residence permit. Each time Spain gets a wave of foreign invaders, no matter who they are, they are welcomed into the country with that really nice card. Last year 750 000 illegals were given their welcome cards, this year alone 11 000 illegals were given the same cards. Given the demographics in Spain, one day the Spanish will wake up and they will ask the same question that Oriana Fallaci asked the grocer in Florence - 'Where did they all come from?', and it'll be the same answer again 'I don't know, I just woke up one day and they were all here'.

Posted by: Je m'en vais at July 17, 2006 1:26 AM

Zapatero's political ideology of arch-secularism is in its death throws. While many of us lament Europe's demographic suicide, I also see a very positive undercurrent. It is probably a good thing that dhimmi secularists don't breed but Europe's, especially Spain's, traditional Catholics have 3-6 children per family. This means that as these children reach maturity they will become the voting majority. Then Europe will have a strong Catholic core once again.

It is true that it will be smaller than in the past but the race is on between traditional Catholics and Orthodox to gain power in countries like Spain before the Muslims can takeover. Spain may be the first to elect a hard-right Trad-Catholic government that will overturn ALL of Zapatero's policies. The Pope's visit to Spain this week and his meeting with the head of Spain's anti-Zapatero Catholic opposition is just the beginning. May this demographic re-alignment happen quickly.

For a look at the demographic division in Spain read:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-pope10jul10,1,239470.story?coll=la-headlines-world

Posted by: Provoslavni at July 17, 2006 1:47 AM

Provoslavni:

Your comments are the most encouraging that I've heard for some time. Let's hope you are right!

Many Thanks.

Posted by: enemyofislam at July 17, 2006 5:23 AM

apparently, some hackers had gone into this site yesterday, because I couldn't get into the comments box all day. BTW, my apologies to anyone who posted on my site and didn't see his post come up. That was because the "moderate comments" feature was turned on my site and didn't know how to operate it [I confess].

Now, these idiotic remarks by Zapatero demonstrate why Israel must not trust the EU, or certain key EU countries in particular, these include Spain, France, UK, Germany, and Sweden. Italy under the Berlusconi govt tried to maintain an evenhanded policy on Arab-Israeli issues, although the new Prodi contains some certain pro-Arabists, including the ex-CP and others. We also feel that the new EU members in Eastern Europe are more reasonable. Bulgaria and Rumania were under Muslim rule until the late 19th century.

Zapatero's statement is more or less opposite to the truth. I --and many others on JW/DW-- hold that when the jihadists get a good beating they tend to get more respectful of others' rights.

Posted by: Eliyahu at July 17, 2006 5:39 AM

Maybe the begining of the end for Eurabia?

EU to downgrade links to 'non-christian'states


EU: A series of north African and Middle Eastern countries are to have their relations with the EU downgraded as part of a comprehensive reform of the union's links with neighbouring states.

Under the controversial initiative, Algeria, Morocco, Lebanon, and Israel will be separated from European countries in the EU's European Neighbourhood Policy (ENP) on the grounds that they will never be allowed to join the EU.

German chancellor Angela Merkel, who is to spearhead the shake-up when Berlin takes over the EU's presidency next January, believes the EU is sending out the wrong signal by lumping continental and non-European countries together.

But critics warn that Berlin is making a grave mistake in downgrading relations with the 10 "non-Christian" members.

"The problems of north Africa are just as important to the EU as those of eastern Europe.

"It is wrong to tell north Africa that because they are Muslims and live in sandy places, they can't be integrated," said Charles Grant, the director for the Centre for European Reform. Berlin wants to reassure the EU's European neighbours of its friendly intentions amid a crisis in further EU enlargement.

Turkey's membership talks are expected to reach a "train crash" in the autumn.

The plans would relegate Algeria, Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, Syria, Tunisia and the Palestinian Authority to a status behind members geographically within Europe.

European members would become part of a new club to encourage membership hopes. Ukraine would be the first to be admitted, followed by Georgia, Azerbaijan and Armenia, once they have agreed action plans on negotiations covering trade and political reforms with Brussels. Moldova and Belarus may be admitted later.

Rolf Welberts, a senior official at the German foreign ministry, said the ENP had not been a success.

It had been intended to give special relations to those whose membership hopes are distant or out of the question, but has ended up linking countries as diverse as Ukraine, which has a border with the EU, with Morocco, which will never be admitted.

"Ukraine should not be treated in the same way as Morocco or Algeria.

"We think the action plan of the ENP should be replaced with something deeper," Mr Welberts told a conference in the Black Sea resort of Yalta.

He said that Ukraine must be offered the hope of EU membership.

"There is a real risk that Ukraine will turn away," he told the annual conference of the Yalta European Strategy, which is campaigning for Ukrainian membership of the EU.

© Guardian Service

Posted by: La Frontera at July 17, 2006 6:27 AM

"La Frontera..." [name of a poster just above]

Weren't you always seen with that moca tan fermosa from round about Finojosa, that girl one hears such good things about? Or have I misremembered, and was it your cousin, Jerez de la Frontera, who used to hang around her door?

Posted by: Hugh at July 17, 2006 2:41 PM

"Weren't you always seen with that moca tan fermosa from round about Finojosa, that girl one hears such good things about? Or have I misremembered, and was it your cousin, Jerez de la Frontera, who used to hang around her door? "

Posted by: Hugh

Sadly,no. Not I. Rather the cousin of she of whom you speak.

As for that Moça tan fermosa, well..

Mas dixe: "Donosa
(por saber quién era),
¿aquella vaquera
de la Finojosa?...
Bien como riendo,
dixo: "Bien vengades,
que ya bien entiendo
lo que demandades:
non es desseosa
de amar, nin lo espera,
aquessa vaquera
de la Finojosa".

Last I heard.

Posted by: La Frontera at July 17, 2006 6:32 PM

Okay -- did you know it by heart or did you look it up?

Posted by: Hugh at July 17, 2006 8:07 PM

And do you think a cowgirl like that would ever get the blues?

Posted by: Hugh at July 17, 2006 8:08 PM

A memo to Zapatero:

Islamic ideology is inherently 'radical' to non-Muslims as it incorporates violence against them in its core (read: Kuran-derived) doctrines. Conversely, non-violent Islam is radical according to the Kuran, as it generally fails to uphold the violent teachings of the Kuran. If you are concerned about the violent Islamic ideology reappearing, relax, it never left us. 14 centuries have done nothing to diminish the violent nature of Islam. Nor will Europe's appeasment policies. After all nations have attempted to appease Islam before yet it remains a vastly murderous ideology.

Posted by: pythagoras at July 19, 2006 5:28 PM