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From the Sydney Morning Herald: "Govt puts $8m towards Islamic institute":
The federal government will put $8 million towards establishing a national Institute of Islamic Studies at an Australian university as part of efforts to tackle extremism.
The decision, announced by Andrew Robb, the parliamentary secretary for immigration and multicultural affairs, forms part of the government's national action plan to promote social cohesion and harmony in Muslim communities and discourage radicalism.
The concept is interesting, but it unfortunately-- and predictably-- falls flat due to continuing confusion and gullibility on what constitutes "moderate" or "mainstream" Islam in a Western society. In particular, Prime Minister John Howard's Muslim Advisory Board includes such eminent but questionably "moderate" figures as Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali, an avid proponent of Holocaust denial.
The government outlined the funding details of its national action plan, including measures designed to increase tolerance, boost employment, strengthen national security and help Muslim communities integrate into Australian life.
The Islamic research and training institute, to be established at an existing university which has not yet been decided, is a central plank of the $35 million, four-year action plan and could attract up to 300 students when classes begin in 2007.
"The courses will provide many subjects relevant for those training to be Muslim religious leaders, providing an important vehicle for the teaching of Islam in an Australian context," Mr Robb said in a statement.
"This will be particularly helpful to young Australian Muslims who want to understand the role of religion in Australia.
They just might already have their own ideas there-- Sura 9:5 and 9:29, for example.
"The centre will attract eminent, moderate Islamic scholars from around the world who will provide an authoritative community reference point."
Posted by Marisol at July 17, 2006 6:42 AM
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8 million bucks, just like that?
Now I know why they're called "mulahs".
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at July 17, 2006 7:08 AM
The Australian government is also providing funds to help muslims "get" jobs. What does this mean? Are they going to create jobs in the govt specifically for muslims?
Most muslims are unemployed, particularly muslim women.
And then we are told that we need more immigration to do jobs that Westerners will not do.
at July 17, 2006 7:23 AM
This institute will create jobs for muslims. Other than the chief tutors, lots of teachers will be required, and muslims shall get jobs as teachers. Don't think that any Western man shall be explaining the koran, only muslim men. And then the passouts will go to some other such 'institute' coming up in some other part of Australia to teach about the koran there. And they will get jobs. This cycle, that began in India in 1947, is going strong. Now Australians are making the mistake that the Indians did so many years back in trying to 'discover islam' after achieving independence from Britain.
Posted by: arjun.sevak at July 17, 2006 7:40 AM
I should replace "Indians" with "Indian Government" and "Australians" with "Australian Government". Dhimmi, both.
Posted by: arjun.sevak at July 17, 2006 7:45 AM
I thought muslim immigrants were filling jobs that the aussies did not want or have the manpower to do. Now we find that the government is going to make the muslims more employable. perhaps the aussies shud start deporting the unemployed, that would be a boost.
Posted by: JanuaryMan at July 17, 2006 7:54 AM
This seems absurd to me. The immigrants should learn about Australia, about democracy, about secular law to improve integration.
Who in his right mind would learn camel riding to improve his chances for a lorry driver job?
Posted by: FreeSpeech at July 17, 2006 8:02 AM
very typical we go and ask them what they want istead of telling them what they need.
Posted by: Holger Dansker at July 17, 2006 8:02 AM
As an Aussie I am not impressed with this.
I pay a lot of tax and don't want it going to "educate" people that may in the future try to kill me!
They have stated their first loyalty is to islam, so why bother trying to win them over?
The government also provides a lot of money to muslim schools - one of which was teaching their kids that Jews have poisoned their bananas! As if!(The non-muslim teachers reported this incident).
The government also supports other religious private schools but none of them are likely to produce homicide bombers and terrorists.
Posted by: Gramfan at July 17, 2006 8:20 AM
DP111
Most muslims are unemployed, particularly muslim women.
Their employment is to punch out as many new Muslims as possible. To swamp Europe and other places via demographic Jihad. To suck up as much infidel welfare money as possible to finance their out sized families. Their job description is baby factory.
Large families are fine by me. I'm merely describing the Muhammadan tactic of Demographic Jihad
Posted by: dennisw at July 17, 2006 8:39 AM
They want to tackle extremism and what they are going to wind up with is extremism.
Don't you just want to shake some sense into these people?
Posted by: freewoman at July 17, 2006 8:40 AM
Governments the world over do not want to accept that a portion, and a growing portion, of their electorate, by virtue of their race and religion, is actually out to destroy them. That idea is anathema to governments. They don't want to go there. So they clutch at straws to "address the problem". And while they clutch at phantoms, their populations die at the hands of these people.
This phenomonem of governments being naive, while the population konws better, is rooted in the fact that as politicians, they are required to be diplomatic and to try not to lose votes by offending minorities. That is why it is anathema to them to accept islam as a seditious force. That means losing those votes, and perhaps a lot more. So politicians don't want to go there. So they chase phantoms.
So the problem with dhimmi governments is the problem created by instinctive self-interest. Everybody has self-interest. We have it. It is in our self-interest to rid ourselves of muslims. But, as a politician, it would be in our self-interest to appease them.
When will this change? Well, I suspect it will change when the self-interest of a politican to get votes, and stay in power, is superceded by the self-interest of that politician to stay alive and remain a free human being in a democracy. Of course, by the time the politicians come to that realization, by the time they have that epiphany, it will be so far late in the day, that the damage they will have caused might make it too late to change course.
Posted by: somethingaboutislam at July 17, 2006 9:34 AM
nothing new, I posted this news already yesterday(16.july 2006, 10:51AM) on the "Holocaust denial from Oz senior islamic cleric" thread...
(gotto read the links sometime...)
at July 17, 2006 9:42 AM
Muslims certainly do have an inpressive skill for extracting public funds for their institutions. This kind of thing happens in Britain all the time.
Posted by: Cisoux at July 17, 2006 9:42 AM
The more they study it the more radical they become, politicians are so dettatched from reality it's not funny. Forget where l heard this, "an ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination"
at July 17, 2006 9:45 AM
Elovis, is was Voltaire that said:
"The ideal form of government was benevolent tyranny tempered by occassional assassination."
I fully agree. I'm not impressed with democracy. What the world needs is a good man to rule with an iron fist, and if such a man gets out of line, take him out. That then is the best of both worlds. You have forceful leadership, which is exactly what is needed but lacking these days, but you also have accountability to the people.
Right now with the threat of islam, representational democracy is our own worst enemy.
Posted by: somethingaboutislam at July 17, 2006 10:16 AM
So, are we to assume that books by Servier, Bat Y'eor, Ibn Warriq, and Spencer will NOT be part of the curriculum?
Posted by: Infidel33 at July 17, 2006 10:24 AM
Arm yourself and your friends, with "Onward Muslim Soldiers" and "Why I Am Not a Muslim" and "The Myth of Islamic Tolerance" and "The Legacy of Jihad" and "While Europe Slept" and "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades)." The Second Amendment meets the First.
Keep buying ammunition, starting with the forthcoming biography of Muhammad by Spencer, the forthcoming "Defense of the West" by Ibn Warraq, both out this fall. Keep talking about Islam with others. Do not fail to introduce several new visitors a week to this website. Perhaps one out of five will come and stay.
Don't let up. If necesary, become utterly predictible, even a bore, to your family, your friends, your colleagues at work. Whenever you have the chance, bring the conversation around to the tenets, the attitudes, the atmosperics, of Islam. Write letters, call Congressmen, and make sure not to let those NPR talk shows get away without you, perhaps disguising your name, your voice (after a while they will put you on a list, and prevent you, precisely to the extent that you are effective and convincing on the subject of Islam, from joining any of their s0-called open-to-everyone "conversations" -- just look at Tom Ashbrook and his vetting operation).
You are not being asked to fight in Afganistan, Iraq, Kashmir, Lebanon. You are not being asked to endure what Christians in the Moluccas or southern Sudan endure, what Buddhist schoolteachers in southern Thailand endure, what Hindus in Bangladesh and Pakistan endure. You are only being asked to inform yourself, and as many others as you can.
Posted by: Hugh at July 17, 2006 11:03 AM
Marisol comments, in the article above, that "Prime Minister John Howard's Muslim Advisory Board includes such eminent but questionably "moderate" figures as Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali, an avid proponent of Holocaust denial."
I would encourage Jihad Watch readers to Google that name, Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali, along with "Jihad Watch". You will find much worse stuff about him in the JW archives. For example:
MEMRI is reporting that the Mufti of Australia and New Zealand, Taj Al-Din Hamed Abdallah Al-Hilali, is claiming that Australia was originally Muslim land, settled by Afghans. The Aborigines are their descendants:
"The strange thing was that when our muezzin [who accompanied Sheikh Al-Hilali on his visit to Alice Springs] stood up to call for prayer, the old people of the town came out, and so did men and youths, and they looked different than the black Aborigines. They were a mixture of Afghan and Aborigine, as a result of marriages of Afghan men and Aborigine women. When the muezzin called 'Allahu Akbar,' they said, 'We have heard this song from our ancestors...' When they asked us 'What is this song you are singing?' we told them that this was an announcement of prayer time. When we asked them their names, they answered John, or Steve, but their names ended with Saraj Al-Din, Abdallah, or Muhammad..."
This sort of thing may just seem silly, or even cute, until one realizes that to anyone who takes the Sheikh's claim seriously, Australia is now Muslim land. Islamic law stipulates that Muslims possess by right any land that once formed part of the House of Islam; this is a key element of the claim to Israel put forward by Hamas and Islamic Jihad. The same claim has been advanced, by the way, for America.
Al-Hilali, meanwhile, has already endorsed violent jihad in other contexts:
Following a meeting with Hizbullah leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah, Sheikh Al-Hilali said: "I blessed Hizbullah for liberating the prisoners and the bones of the Shahids and I praised it and its sacrifice. Hizbullah has become a model for all the Mujahideen in the world... Most of the Australian people do not support the policy of the Australian government, which has placed Hizbullah on the terror list out of submission to the U.S., and the Australian prime minister will pay the price for this in the next elections..." . . .
"We are proud of the Islamic resistance in Palestine, Lebanon, Kashmir, and everywhere in the world that seeks to achieve its legitimate rights in accordance with the international resolutions, the human rights conventions, and the U.N. resolutions...
"We are also proud of the Islamic resistance that liberated southern Lebanon, led by Hizbullah, the legitimate Lebanese national movement, that forced the Israeli occupation army to withdraw from southern Lebanon, dragging trails of disappointment and shame behind it.
"We are also proud of what Hamas and the Islamic Jihad are both doing in the occupied territories. We support the resistance and support, with all our might, the martyrdom operations carried out by the Palestinian liberation movements, operations that are a legitimate act against the cruel occupation, according to all international norms and conventions.
"Also, whoever carries out a martyrdom [operation] is a pure Shahid and one of the men of Paradise. Moreover, he stands at the head of the Shahids."
That is, of course, a suicide bombing.
Al-Hilali also memorably dubbed Bush, Blair, and Australian PM John Howard the "axis of evil." But who is really behind it all? One guess:
Sheikh Al-Hilali said on another occasion: "The media all over the world are controlled by Zionist fingers, particularly the Western media, and that includes Australia, in which the media are under Zionist hegemony. But in Australia, which unlike the West and the U.S. is multicultural, the media are less racist in their enmity to Muslims and Islam. This is evidenced by the fact that we won the last media battle in Australia and succeeded in forcing the Australian people to treat us with respect. We have not suffered from persecution or disrespect to the same extent that Islamic communities in Western countries and in America have suffered."
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/000920.php
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As Spencer commented in that archived article, the implication of Australia being originally Muslim land is not some interesting piece of cultural lore, but is a prelude to an Islamic justification for "reconquering" what rightfully belongs to the Dar-al-Islam.
What in blazes is John Howard doing having this man on his Advisory Board? Why is this Al-Hilali the Grand Mufti of Australia? Why hasn't he been booted off the big island or put in prison?
at July 17, 2006 11:13 AM
I just love that one television,
What an idiot. The single line railway up to Alice Springs if my memory serves me correctly is called the Ghan after the Afghan indentured labour and the camels that were imported to build it. The Afghans were repatriated but the camels were given a residence permit which account for all the camels that roam over the outback. It also doesn't surprise me that the the Aboriginals know something about Islam. Lots of Aboriginal societies especially isolated societies like the Eskimos had a freer attitude towards sex, not because they were more immoral because it widened the gene pool, and limited inbreeding so it is not surprising that many Afghans left progeny in Australia. You can bet your life that the white Australians did the same, there is a reason that Aboriginal women were referred to as Black velvet in the late 19th century. The rest well, that is typical mulim, making the facts fit the fantasy.
at July 17, 2006 11:46 AM
Mr. Holger Dansker,
Thank you, Sir, for the link to 'The Malakand Relief Force'. I am onto chapter 4, and surprised that what he has written, is identical to what is written by an Indian writer who went there in 1987.
I got OpenOffice from reading one of your earlier postings about it, about 2 months back. It works better than MS. Once again, thank you Sir.
at July 17, 2006 12:15 PM
Dear Arjun,
Your are more than welcome Keep safe.
at July 17, 2006 12:28 PM
The first jihad in Australia occured in 1915 when two muslim men opened fire on Australians who were on a train going to a picnic. Four Austraians died.
This is seen by historians as having something to do with World War 1, even though neither of the muslims were from Turkey, and they left a auicide note saying that they had had enough humiliation, and that they were waging war because of their religion.
Posted by: Voltaire at July 17, 2006 1:46 PM
How does the payment of jizya discourage radicalism?
Posted by: aynrandgirl at July 17, 2006 2:52 PM
Television, I just heard on the radio this morning that John Howard has dumped him from the board. However I can't believe how stupid the government is in funding this future terror breeding ground.
Posted by: learnmore at July 17, 2006 11:28 PM
I would like to blast Australia for this insane act of dhimmitude, but I am too lathered up by the United States Marines (...to the shores of Tripoli!)building a mosque at Quantico. Islam, our swonr enemy, with a mosque (read armory) on one of the USMC's most important bases.
What would have been the equivalent to that in WWII? Maybe a branch of the Hitlerjungend, or the Imperial Japanese Sword Society getting a meeting hall?
We have got dhimmis everywhere, even in the U.S. Marines. We have to root them out - they are selling out our countries.
Posted by: Jimmy Bones at July 18, 2006 1:25 AM
"including measures designed to increase tolerance.."
Tolerance for what? Suicide bombings? Beheadings?
That Islam is to be dominate?
No thanks, I'm sick of being tolerant of my own demise.
Internment and deportation for the Infidel killers now.
at July 18, 2006 2:18 AM
"The centre will attract eminent, moderate Islamic scholars from around the world........."
What, both of them????
Posted by: Anthony at July 18, 2006 3:23 AM
Have they lost their flippin minds?
at July 18, 2006 4:09 AM
"The centre will attract eminent, moderate Islamic scholars from around the world who will provide an ."
I think that the word 'moderate' should be highlighted here. Does the government believe that islam in its 'unmoderate' form will not be tolerated ? Does the government get it that concentrated islam is evil ? Does it get it that the 'tiny minority of extremists' are, in fact, practicing pure, unmoderated islam ?
Posted by: arjun.sevak at July 18, 2006 5:40 AM
Let's get real here.....8 million accomplishes one thing only........a stronger foothold for the animal muslims that want to kill you!
Posted by: Truthseeker at July 18, 2006 8:28 AM
Well, it seems that it's not only Australia that are digging their own graves. Now I read today that the my own government, the Greek government, have approved plans for the building of a SAUDI FINANCED mosque in Athens.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5190256.stm
Yes, the last European capital with the proud status of not having a single purpose built mosque has finally fallen.
at July 18, 2006 4:45 PM
"The government outlined the funding details of its national action plan, including measures designed to increase tolerance, boost employment, strengthen national security and help Muslim communities integrate into Australian life."
Muslims cause problems wherever they live - lack of tolerance for non-muslims, high welfare parasitism, threats to national security from terrorist cells and their fifth column supporters, and failure to integrate into their host country culture.
Eureka! The solution is found!
The cure for the problems caused by islam is, of course...MORE islam + MORE mosques + MORE muslims = NO MORE dirty kaffir!
Problem solved.
at July 19, 2006 1:47 AM
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