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In "As Bush stands firm in the Middle East, he capitulates Europe," Julia Gorin points out some of the "shockingly predictable consequence of our 1990s misadventures in the Balkans" (news links in the original):
Writing for an outfit called FamilySecurityMatters.org last week, Weekly Standard contributor and longtime champion of Balkan Muslims Stephen Schwartz describes an overnight bus ride from Kosovo's capital Pristina to a resort town in Montenegro:"A man behind me began speaking almost immediately and without stopping, in Albanian — which I understand…insistently focused on the nature of G-d (a favorite subject for Islamic fundamentalists), [and on] the nefarious influence of Sufis who thought they could reinterpret the faith, the evil intentions of Americans, Iraq, and bloodshed. I was startled because it is rare to hear Albanians, after the rescue of Kosovo, badmouth Americans…G-d is one, who are these people like this American who come and try to tell us how to be Muslims? What about Iraq? Why is this American here with his friend?"
Schwartz then describes a rest stop: "I did not find out where I was until I asked a waiter in the restaurant, because none of the Albanians crowded in the back with me and my Sufi companion and the whisperer in darkness would speak civilly to me. When I asked one man, in Albanian, the name of the town, he answered in Serbian: 'ne znam,' 'I don't know.' Another said it was the Montenegrin capital, Podgorica (it wasn't). And finally a thin punk who could not have been over 20, and who, I soon realized, had been encouraging the voice behind me, said in perfect English, 'I don't understand English.' At the end of the rest period all three people filed back into the bus and avoided looking at me.
"Muhammad woke up and asked me what was going on. I told him, 'Someone back here is making Wahhabi speeches.' He grinned as if in disbelief, but said, 'I'm not surprised.'"
Nor should anyone else be, given this shockingly predictable consequence of our 1990s misadventures in the Balkans. Only Mr. Schwartz is surprised — understandably, given what he wrote just last year:
There are not now and never have been, in recent times, 'Muslim militants' in Kosovo, aside from a handful of individuals and some Saudi and other Gulf Arab-state cells operating through relief agencies...No 'international Islamist factions' are present in Kosovo or presently involved with Kosovo. No 'international Islamist factions' were involved in the Kosovo war…Kosovar Muslims are extremely anti-Islamist and pro-American.Kosovo is the most heavily-policed, militarily-occupied region in Europe. It does not now and has never had a 'fundamentalist minority' in the sense the term is now understood, and no serious evidence to the contrary can be produced.
So what happened? Did the Albanians whom Mr. Schwartz encountered on his trip turn fundamentalist overnight? Or maybe, just maybe even for Muslims in the throes of gratitude to the West, the first allegiance is to Islam. Apparently, some people need to actually get on a bus with hostile Albanian Muslims to learn what the rest of us have been able to glean from dispatch after dispatch coming out of the region. For example, there is the fact that the Kosovo Liberation Army whom we fought for had trained with al-Qaeda, and there was the Albanian applicant to al-Qaeda who boasted of his experience fighting Serb and American troops in Kosovo. And still Mr. Schwartz would be surprised to pick up the Jerusalem Post this week and read this about the Balkan Muslims he's spent years shilling for: "Jewish groups are troubled by a new property restitution law in the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina that officially discriminates in favor of the country's Muslims."
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Posted by Robert at July 27, 2006 9:12 AM
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When Clinton ordered the bombing of the Serbs, I told everbody that we were bombing the wrong people.
The MSM spread the lies of the Kosovo muslims, the Saudis pressured Clinton and of course Clinton needed something take the Americans mind off of Monica. Thus he made a major, mistake, bombed the wrong people, the Serbs.
Now the Russians, strong allies of the Serbs, are still furious with us. This is a major reason why they are dealing with Iran, to spite us.
We should make a deal, we pull Nato out of the Kosovo region, lets the Russians and Serbs have control over the muslim sectors, just leave Croatia alone. The other side of the deal is that they will support us over Iran and North Korea.
Kosovo muslims are our enemies, they do not deserve our protection.
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at July 27, 2006 9:37 AM
Any yanks that got the balls to turn the rudder?
lots of mistakes have been made, but there always is a way to set things right, ...at least thats how I´ve been brought up.
probably totally out of whack...
at July 27, 2006 9:41 AM
For more of relevance, google "Weiss-Schwartz disease" or "Weiss-Schwartz syndrome" and "Posted by Hugh." For more on Leopold Weiss, or Muhamad Asad, as he later called himself, google his name as well.
Posted by: Hugh at July 27, 2006 9:56 AM
Lets just hope that stephen and leopold did not get their feelings hurt. Unrequited love can be so painful.
Posted by: Infidel33 at July 27, 2006 12:58 PM
why do people just blame clinton for the bombing of yugoslavia and kosovo when bush has the same policy on kosovo as clinton did? Bush is also like clinton when it comes to kosovo
Fiveonnine what you said about russia dealing with iran just to spite america for bombing the serbs i am not sure if thats true or not because in that case why didnt russia give nuclear weapons to the serbs so america could not invade them rather then help the iranians build a nuclear power plant? honest i dont think russia gives a damn about the serbs russia is a sell out coutnry just wants money from muslim countrys like iran in exchange for weapons
Posted by: Greek Gurl at July 27, 2006 1:32 PM
I still don't understand why the Russians don't do more for the Serbs. Unless they are the same as the politicans here in the USA and could care less about them also....
Posted by: adobe at July 27, 2006 2:06 PM
Unfortunately I think Greek Gurl is right on Russia. I don't think they give a damn about anything they are a giant sell out just as the US is.
None of this is surprising as Europe is being handed over to the jihadists. Lets face it when Bosnian war criminals are welcomed as friends in the states, things are really no different as when Clinton was in power.
The only difference between Bush and say Kerry is, that Kosovo would have already been ripped away from the Serbs and been made an independent Islamic state. Unfortunately Kosovo has been on borrowed time since the Clinton fiasco, and the US administrations have learned absolutely nothing from their mistakes.
It's becoming very dangerous times for the world thanks to continual mistakes from our world superpowers.
niv
Posted by: niv at July 27, 2006 3:34 PM
Excellent article. Poor clueless Steve Schwartz. It seems time to post this again.
To Stephen Schwartz
Does your pir keep you whirling, turning,
bowing, chanting, repeating the name allah
til fana obliterates your rational mind,
until reason flees and frees you
from all those rules and regulations
imposed on all those baser men
imprisoned in the box of islam?
Show me the sufi love of your allah.
Show me his kindness and compassion,
his love for All Creatures Great and Small,
through the ages, One and All.
Tell me, meccan, about your perfect prophet.
In your sacred books I read that
he was a pedophile, murderer and thief,
a lusty power-monger tribal chief.
You say this was only the custom of the time,
while other of your medinan brothers say,
"No,this is the way it must always be,
allah said so."
Is this the pattern you seek to imitate?
Is this this the pattern to which you aspire,
nihilism, the kiss of death,
the death not only the ego,
but also of your sacred foe?
Ecstatic states can never take the place
of a universal, unitary ethic, oh no.
So keep turning and whirling
in your dance of duality
led by the sufi shadow sheiks
who draw the line in the sand
and stand in its name, Islam.
at July 27, 2006 3:38 PM
Greek Gurl:
Fiveonnine what you said about russia dealing with iran just to spite america for bombing the serbs i am not sure if thats true or not because in that case why didnt russia give nuclear weapons to the serbs so america could not invade them rather then help the iranians build a nuclear power plant? honest i dont think russia gives a damn about the serbs russia is a sell out coutnry just wants money from muslim countrys like iran in exchange for weapons
You are right that Russia is a sell out, but in the case of Kosovo, they were the only ones that tried to stop what was happenning, they were just too weak in 1999.
Remember the Russian soldiers in Bosnia driving through Serbia to Pristina? They tried to take the airfield so reinforcements could be flown in and a Russian sector (a safe heaven for Serbs) could be established. But NATO pressured Romania and Bulgaria to close their air space and threaten to shoot any Russian planes down and US threatened a naval blockade. Today Serbia is completely surrounded by NATO, so the Russians can't reinforce them militarily.
Serbia will be put under immense pressure to accept Kosovos independence by the US and Europe. It will be very interesting to see Russia's position on this issue, but this article gives a little hope:
http://www.iwpr.net/?p=brn&s=f&o=322318&apc_state=henh
at July 27, 2006 5:12 PM
The goofy President was Carter: he not only let Cuban troops tramp through Angola and Mozambique; but watched the USSR invade Afghanistan; and let the French try to supplant the Anglo-Americans in Iran by sending their protege Khomeini back to Teheran.
In that 4 year disaster period 1976-80 the whole of the subsequent mess we have endured since - dead Marines in Beirut, Hezbollah, Al-Qaeda, Taleban, Somalia, Nigeria - was initiated.
Then we had Madeleine Halfbright with her hatred of the Serbs and the provocative Rambouillet Ultimatum which must have reminded them of Austria-Hungary in 1914.
The Germans started the Kosovo disaster by unravelling Yugoslavia with their Catholic satrapy in Croatia; that unbalanced the whole federation; then to start bombing Belgrade for the first time since 1941 - brought war to the European Continent - from NATO !!! An attack on Russia's closest ally - and all because Yeltsin was drunk and had been bought by Clinton with IMF funds................no wonder Russia smarted - especially when US General Clark tried to get British troops into a fight with Russians at the airport.
Then there were the secret agreements where Clinton let Iran fly weapons into Kosovo without interdiction and thus introduced the Revolutionary Guard into Europe. The Croatians wore German camouflage gear and the Kosovans had Iranian support and Saudi money to build mosques - and no doubt to destroy Serb churches.
Maybe the big problem is that dimwit Western politicians motivated only by money don't understand how religion motivates other people who scorn their money and their liberal values. They have contempt for the West and its decadence; and the West delivers itself for their scorn hoping for approval
Posted by: Voyager at July 27, 2006 5:18 PM
The goofy President was Carter: he not only let Cuban troops tramp through Angola and Mozambique; but watched the USSR invade Afghanistan; and let the French try to supplant the Anglo-Americans in Iran by sending their protege Khomeini back to Teheran.
In that 4 year disaster period 1976-80 the whole of the subsequent mess we have endured since - dead Marines in Beirut, Hezbollah, Al-Qaeda, Taleban, Somalia, Nigeria - was initiated.
Then we had Madeleine Halfbright with her hatred of the Serbs and the provocative Rambouillet Ultimatum which must have reminded them of Austria-Hungary in 1914.
The Germans started the Kosovo disaster by unravelling Yugoslavia with their Catholic satrapy in Croatia; that unbalanced the whole federation; then to start bombing Belgrade for the first time since 1941 - brought war to the European Continent - from NATO !!! An attack on Russia's closest ally - and all because Yeltsin was drunk and had been bought by Clinton with IMF funds................no wonder Russia smarted - especially when US General Clark tried to get British troops into a fight with Russians at the airport.
Then there were the secret agreements where Clinton let Iran fly weapons into Kosovo without interdiction and thus introduced the Revolutionary Guard into Europe. The Croatians wore German camouflage gear and the Kosovans had Iranian support and Saudi money to build mosques - and no doubt to destroy Serb churches.
Maybe the big problem is that dimwit Western politicians motivated only by money don't understand how religion motivates other people who scorn their money and their liberal values. They have contempt for the West and its decadence; and the West delivers itself for their scorn hoping for approval
Posted by: Voyager at July 27, 2006 5:19 PM
From the original article:
When Kosovo becomes "Kosova" later this year with our blessing, and we help deliver the Balkan borders of Hitler's vision, it will spell our own doom.I haven't been following the news, so is this a done deal? Has Kosovo's 'independence' from Serbia already become a fait accompli? If yes, the US act has been disgraceful, and if a terror act on the US ever happens (god forbid) that gets traced back to the Balkans, the president and the State Department will have blood on their hands. And what's to say that India won't be pressurized to give up Kashmir? Not just Muslim portions, but conceivably Ladakh and Jammu.
The more I see such acts, the less I blame Russia, although, as Greek Gurl noted, Russia may not give a damn about Serbia.
Which is a pathetic shame!
Posted by: Infidel Pride at July 27, 2006 5:25 PM
"Then we had Madeleine Halfbright with her hatred of the Serbs and the provocative Rambouillet Ultimatum which must have reminded them of Austria-Hungary in 1914."
Actually Rambouillet reminded me about Munich 1938, where Czechoslovakia was blackmailed to give Sudetenland to Hitler. The reasoning was the same: the majority of the population in that part of their country were Germans and not Czechs and the Germans were willing to start a war, so the Czechs didn't have any rights to it. Replace Germans with Albanians and Czechs with Serbs and history repeats itself.
at July 27, 2006 5:31 PM
OT but too good to go by the board.
Dhimmi Coulter:
From her own mouth a few minutes ago on Hardball, she agrees to use American Muslims (because of their conservative "values") in the American war on Culture.
There it is folk, the phoney internal culture war is the real war "conservatives" are interested in..of course I know that because I've had to deal for three years now with an alliance of Muslims and "conservative" valued, anti gay, anti abortion, patriarchial Christians, and right wing libertarians..Here
Posted by: Nariz at July 27, 2006 5:40 PM
" Has Kosovo's 'independence' from Serbia already become a fait accompli?" (infidel pride)
No, it has not been done yet, there are some workshops and a conference planned later this year.. and it would be the perfect opportunity for the US to do a disgraceful 180*, but so actually get back on track, but I do not believe they are ready to take that kind of loss of face.
so it will go down in history as another unfinished crap scam.
at July 27, 2006 6:40 PM
Err Five of Nine, while Clinton deserves your opprobrium, explica me por favor, the Arch Zionist Joseph Liebermans support (past and present) for the Muslims of Bosnia and Kosovo.
at July 27, 2006 6:50 PM
"As Bush stands firm in the Middle East, he capitulates in Europe" (title of article)
I remember the day (in fact I will never forget it) when a few months ago George W. Bush visited India to sign a `civilian nuclear co-operation contract´ or such thing (of course), I saw a news snipped on tv , instantly sprang from my seat and shouted: "That´s it -they are giving up Europe!"
Europe wasn´t even mentioned in the news, but the sudden awareness entered my system.
Now I must say the picture gets ever clearer...
at July 27, 2006 7:12 PM
Al qaeda, the base, yes you are the lowest
of humanity, you and all the other jihadis,
whatever the name, you are all the same,
you are not of humanity, you are demons.
I have a poem for you.
Demon lords enter through the gate of selfishness.
Careless followers become their unwitting slaves.
Demon hordes suck the marrow of those who seek their service.
They consume and waste the earth and all who dwell there.
Doubts, depression, nihilism, and pride are their feeding ground,
a poisonous and hysterical claustrophobia is their residue.
Demons cannot be attacked directly or conquered from afar,
You entered their terrain when you accepted human birth.
Demons can enter you. They can erupt and slide into your thoughts
with their array of fears, arguments, enticements and promises.
Do not accept their conditions and do not ally yourself with them.
To defeat them:
You have entered their terrible realm
and must, Great Warriors, endure their madness.
To defeat the demonic lords, you must stir up their innate paranoia
and separate them from the phenomena that support them.
You must stir up their innate lust to separate them
from those that love, counsel and follow them.
False hope and fears must paralyze their acquisitive minds.
In this way, they lose their hold on the past, present and future,
and uprooted from time itself, they are destoyed.
Gesar of Ling
at July 27, 2006 9:49 PM
Some videos and info on Serbia & Bosnia, the more current video has footage of executions.
http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/bosnia502/video_index.html
http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/rough/2005/07/dark_shadows.html
http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/rough/2005/07/dark_shadowslinks.html
We are in a post 9-11 world. Islam is on the march. For a Muslim, Islam is first priority, before country, and Kosovo is a significant passageway for the global Islamic jihad in Europe.
Posted by: SFOD at July 27, 2006 9:51 PM
There are not now and never have been, in recent times, 'Muslim militants' in Kosovo...
There are not now, and never have been, Moslem Militants or Moslem Extremists or any other such thing, anywhere.
A priori, such a thing as a Moderate Moslem is impossible to exist, Sean Hannity and Hugh Hewitt notwithstanding.
There are either Moslems, who by self-definition are militant and radical, or apostates, who by Mohammed's decree are to be killed, preferably by decapitation.
610 * 623 * 732* 1066* 1215 * 1453 * 1492 * 1683 * 1928 * 1938 * 1948 * 1996 * 2001
Is any of this so complicated? Has nobody read the sacred scriptures of Islam? Duh.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at July 27, 2006 10:04 PM
Voyager, you are right about Clinton allowing shipments of arms into Kosovo from Iran. However as a friend of mine who was there told me, the shipments of arms to the KLA were daily almost 1 per hour and were from Iran and Turkey, go figure.
Unfortunately another example of US administration making a mistake on which side it should be on.
Niv
Posted by: niv at July 27, 2006 10:46 PM
Voyager
U said it all. Here in serbia we have had during that time a joke: russians will resist americans till the last serb.
at July 28, 2006 6:03 AM
At the beginning of this current campaign Bush said you are either with us or against us. If Kosovo goes no one will be with anyone as is evident with the way Russia is going it alone. They are not standing with us against terror as we are not with anyone else. Kosovo being independent is not just an injustice to the serbs it will forever lose american credibility as a defender of western values.
Posted by: pissedoffcanadian at July 28, 2006 2:08 PM
The thing that hurts most, is the fact that american government treats Serbs harsher then any other remotely similar case. For example: entire country is punished because general Mladic is not transfered to hague tribunal. On the other hand, no one is trying to pressure Afghanistan or Pakistan for Bin Laden. Who's the bigger vilain?
Posted by: tim at August 1, 2006 11:46 AM
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