What are their thoughts about Al Qaeda?

Posted by: Hyman Roth at August 29, 2006 4:34 AM

Mr. Simonson is a vile,disgusting creature and so are the rest of ACLU degenerates; that deserve nothing but contempt and raw hate. These creeps are deliberately baiting the college and come hell or high water will find somebody guilty. This is vicious racketeering. It is comprable to a communist show trail where some creeps to gain power ,terrorizes people by picking out victims who are innocent and then crucifying them for benefit of terrorizing and demoralizing the rest of the population. May we have civil war soon and end the power of Marxist scum like Simonson. Lefist and Marxist are the scum of the earth and may judgement day not be too far off. The ACLU should prosecuted under the RICO statutes and sent prison camps in the wilds of Alaska.

This is raw totalitarian evil at work. And oh yeah btw, what is their view on Al Queda?

Posted by: abdulalshirk at August 29, 2006 8:00 AM

Would it be time for a defensive jihad, or use the threat thereof to exact change within the university?

"If we are forced to be humiliated then I can't account for what some might do"? Something like that?

Moose

Posted by: Moose at August 29, 2006 8:23 AM

Just as the new vehicle for expressing one's antipathy for The System (whatever The System may be) has become for some who are economically marginal, Islam, for some in the ACLU seem not so much eager to get up in the morning and defend, with a sense of the measure, a sense of history, a sense of how vulnerable advanced democracies can be, a sense, even, that Islam is akin to Fascism in many things, including its division of the world, for Believers, between Believers and Infidels, its Complete Regulation of Life, which Believers may not adhere to, but of which they are keenly aware; the Total Explanation of the Universe (which leads the primitive Muslim masses to be far more primitive, and in much more dangerous ways, than the primitive non-Muslim masses) and finally, the discouragement of free and skeptical inquiry intended to protect Islam, but also managing to damage the prospects for better understanding, and amelioration, of the political, economic, and social failures of Muslim societies, within and without the Dar al-Islam.

"Red Diaper" babies, the children not of those accused of being Communists but who really were Communists, could be the subject of study. Those whose parents lit out for the territories -- that is, the territories controlled by Chairman Mao -- and who were raised in Communist China, have returned to the United States, and their employment, as professors of law, as makers of documentary movies about China, and so on, reflect their greater understanding of things. Nothing like a childhood in Communist China to set a Red Diaper baby straight. But those Red Diaper babies who never had the good fortune to experience the awfulness of, say, Soviet Russia or Communist China, and who were raised in the bad old U.S.A., may remain convinced...convinced what? Not so much Communists, or Trotskyites hawking some paper on Telegraph Avenue or Harvard Square, as the busy students bustle so disappointingly by. Convinced, rather, that the United States remains the main source of evil in the world, and that, it doth follow as the day the night, that Islam, now regarded as the chief threat to "American hegemony" or American somethingorother, needs to be protected, defended, seen not as the menace as it is, not as the fascism it so closely resembles, or as the nazism that in its worst it so obviously can become -- think of those black-balaclaved Kalashnikov-clutching bezonians of Hamas, or Hezbollah, or Al-Qaeda, or Islamic Jihad, think of those collective acts of mass prayer that make any intelligent non-Muslim shudder, where every large mosque expresses aand reinforces that collectivism that puts one in mind not of some dimly-remembered songs from the hymnal, but of voices swelling in unison, as Leni Reifenstahl films it all.

One would like to know, one has reason to suspect the answer, how many Red Diaper babies are now beavering away at the upper reaches of the ACLU, performing -- in a different way -- services that will weaken the undeclared but felt enemy (that is, the United States), by supporting, by defending, by everywhere taking on as a matter of moment, even such things as this ridiculous lawsuit by these Muslim football players -- a lawsuit, nonetheless, that represents one more betrayal of the ACLU as it once was, and perhaps might still, under different management and with a truer mandate, become.

Posted by: Hugh at August 29, 2006 9:20 AM

Diversity training to make the masses more sensitive to silly muslim day to day life. How about sensitivity training to muslims about OUR way of life? We don't like terrorists. We laugh when we see the hordes of muslims with their butts in each others faces. We don't like seeing masked women in public...how do we really know they ARE women and not masked criminals? We don't like the fact that muslims feel they have a sexual right to our children and goats. We don't like the fact that we have to be leery when we board a plane, train or automobile. They could be more sensitive to the fact we don't want our infrastructure blown up.

So sensitivity training goes both ways. So if the faculty and students of this university are FORCED to take muslim sensitivity classes, so should muslims have to take American sensitivity classes.

Posted by: freewoman at August 29, 2006 10:04 AM

This is typical of the stalinist mindset of the Anti-Christian Lawsuit Union (ACLU).

Coach Mumme never prevented any of these three brats from practicing their "religion" but rightfully questioned them about legitimate concerns he had for both the safety and reputation of his team. Unfortunately, the ACLU will probably get some liberal Carter or Clinton appointed judge who will destroy Mumme's career. Or the university will cave in to this case of leftist/Sharia convergence and fire him.

Posted by: Provoslavni at August 29, 2006 10:05 AM

Will the day ever come when this sort of action backfires on Muslims? They will finally acquire a well-deserved and widespead reputation for bullying in the workplace, in schools, sports, housing etc. Like more and more travelers, non-Muslims will mistrust them and give reasons other than being Muslim for doing so. (just to be one step ahead of the ACLU) Little Ahmed didn't make the cut on the boys soccer team because the coach has assumed that the kid's religious schedule would demand that he miss important practices and games. Sixteen year old Fatima didn't get hired at the local ice cream palor because the manager assumed that she would raise a rukus about wearing the store uniform, a bright red tee-shirt and matching ball cap to work. Mr. and Mrs. Muhammed won't get a call back about an empty apartment because the manager of the apartment assumed, from past experience, that Muslims invite their friends over for loud, early morning prayers and insist on slaughtering live sheep in the backyard for a cookout. One can only hope that this will become the norm and that Muslims will reap the just rewards for their strong-armed tactics.

Posted by: Mary Rose at August 29, 2006 10:40 AM

Are these actual Muslims or just 3 black converts playing the Muslim Greivance game?

Posted by: JanuaryMan at August 29, 2006 10:49 AM

When this case gets thrown out, perhaps the university can turn around and sue the ACLU for wasitng the university's time, tarnishing its image, yada yada.

We need to start using our own tools against these barbarians. The Jewish Federation of Seattle, for example, should sue the mosque that incited the freak that shot up the place.

That'll keep CAIR and friends busy, and will divert some of that AK-47 money to legal defense.

Posted by: Know Your Enemy at August 29, 2006 11:08 AM

Yeah, imagine them having to endure hearing that najis false tahwid salah by Rasool Isa from the tahrif Injeel along with the kuffir. Disgusting isn't it?

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at August 29, 2006 11:11 AM

Looks like an open and shut case of bigotry to me. Being muslim, these guys do not feel the need to indulge their coach's prayers. Understandable don't you think ? So the coach accuses them of not being "team players" and drops them. Really, that is what this is about. Nothing to do with dhimmitude. If a white atheist had refused to take part in the prayer, would they have been dropped ?

Posted by: TooBad at August 29, 2006 11:20 AM

“Universities are supposed to be places of evolved thinking and reason, not of base intolerance and bigotry” said Peter Simonson, executive director of ACLU New Mexico.

So, shouldn't Muslim college students then be expected to rise above their own base intolerance and bigotry to some level of evolved thinking and reason?

Posted by: PRCS at August 29, 2006 11:23 AM

Of course, the coach weakens his position by having any prayer at all in a university-sponsored activity.

Posted by: Know Your Enemy at August 29, 2006 11:28 AM

Concerned Citizen: good point.

Where's all that "friendship" da'wa now?

"Hey, we're all Abrahamic, we're all friends, friends friends friends friends -

Whoa! Common prayer? Hey - we're not that close."

Prophet Geoff

Posted by: Geoff at August 29, 2006 11:39 AM

I am a graduate student at New Mexico State University and I'm pretty sure I had one of the Thompson brothers for a class, History and Culture of Mexico, about 1 1/2 years ago. We had a "food appreciation" day in that class, but he couldn't eat some of the meals prepared because they had pork in them. So yes, they are real muslims.

Though this incident did or did not happen at my university, the student body is rather oblivious to it and we don't have any more information than the rest of the media or public at large.

I can say that there are many, many students that are ignorant of the Jihad ideology and of the Jihad conquests during Muhammud's life and after his death. And I want to thank Robert Spencer, Hugh Fitzgerald and all other members and contributors for their knowledge of history and of how to combat people in discussions because many people at this university, teachers and students alike, have used the same baseless tactics to deflect open criticism and real knowledge of Muslim and Jihadist history and ideology - "have you read the Qu'ran? Do you speak Arabic? If you're not a Muslim, you can't criticize Islam, etc."

Posted by: mikeymatrix at August 29, 2006 11:45 AM

Came across this

Detroit Judge Anna Diggs Taylor has agreed to the American Civil Liberties Union's demands to shut down the National Security Agency's wiretapping program. Terrorists everywhere are cheering...
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Taylor ruled Thursday the NSA violated the free speech and privacy of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, Greenpeace, the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers (NACDL) and leftist journalist Christopher Hitchens, among others...
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We've documented the ACLU's Marxist origins and its animus against American democracy many times. In the 1930s, a congressional investigation found the ACLU "closely affiliated with the communist movement in the United States." Ever since, the ACLU has used its legal muscle to support our enemies abroad.

http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=240708529828168

Posted by: DP111 at August 29, 2006 12:00 PM

I wonder what the outcome of this law suit will be?

Who could possibly predict which side will win?

I wonder, I wonder, I wonder......

Posted by: enemyofislam at August 29, 2006 12:05 PM

Gee I thought they couldn't touch pigskins? Maybe we should go back to the all American tradition of the gipper and play with pigskin footballs. That should solve the problem.

Posted by: lonewolf at August 29, 2006 12:42 PM

Like Mikeymatrix, I too am an NMSU Aggie, and after reading this, I am proud of my Alumini. Of course, we didn't have a football team worth writing home about, although the basketball team was major in the NCAA Big West playoffs then.

Let me guess - were these all NOI Muslims?

Posted by: Infidel Pride at August 29, 2006 1:37 PM

TooBad says...
Looks like an open and shut case of bigotry to me. Being muslim, these guys do not feel the need to indulge their coach's prayers. Understandable don't you think ? So the coach accuses them of not being "team players" and drops them. Really, that is what this is about. Nothing to do with dhimmitude. If a white atheist had refused to take part in the prayer, would they have been dropped ?

I agree. I'm Jewish and I sure as hell wouldn't be coerced into saying The Lord's Prayer.

BUT and this is a very big but .... a lot of what Muslims plaintiffs come up with turns out to be 100-proof fabrication, exaggeration etc.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at August 29, 2006 3:40 PM

Poetcomic1; In principle I agree with the muslims' position of refusing to particpate in the lords prayer as would any person who is non christian and most certainly I would refuse. For good or bad, the ACLU will continue to pressure schools etc to have overt displays of religion put away. And that is fine by me.

Your comment that "a lot of muslims plaintiff fabricate etc" betrays your own subtle prejudices (don't worry, we all have them)towards muslims.

Posted by: TooBad at August 29, 2006 4:34 PM

Dear TooBad-

Please don't pontificate about my 'subtle prejudices' towards muslims. It ain't subtle buddy! The Quran = Mein Kampf if they use the Quran as a template for world conquest, genocide of Jews etc. don't blame ME for feeling that way. Subtle, my ass. I lost at friend at Lockerbie and two neighbors on 9/11. Gee, help me understand why I'm islamophobic.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at August 29, 2006 10:26 PM

poetcomic1; apologies, after I submitted it I felt it wasn't going to come out right in text.

Posted by: TooBad at August 29, 2006 11:33 PM

If anyone doesn't want to participate in prayer they should be alowed to abstain, they should not be forced to do pray against their will. But if the majority of players want to do so, I don't see the problem except for the fact that muslims want to do away with any mention of all other religions except islam, essentially instituting sharia type law and dhimmitude on the rest of the population. THAT is a problem.

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at August 30, 2006 5:58 PM