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At last: a non-Muslim political leader with some courage and common sense. It is telling that in stating what everyone would have taken for granted up to about a generation ago, Howard has insulted the Muslims in Australia. Anti-dhimmitude from John Howard: "PM stands by Muslim converts," from AP, with thanks to JE:
Prime Minister John Howard says he has no need to apologise for telling Muslims they need to embrace Australian values.Mr Howard sparked controversy yesterday by saying on talk-back radio a small group of Muslim migrants had refused to accept their adopted country's values and had not learned English.
He told Macquarie Radio Australia had benefited greatly from immigration, but “there is a section, a small section, of the Islamic population ... which is very resistant to integration”.
"What I want to do is to reinforce the need for everybody who comes to this country to fully integrate," Mr Howard said yesterday. "Fully integrating means accepting Australian values, it means learning as rapidly as you can the English language if you don't already speak it.
"And it means understanding that in certain areas, such as the equality of men and women, the societies that some people have left were not as contemporary and as progressive as ours.
"People who come from societies where women are treated in an inferior fashion have got to learn very quickly that that is not the case in Australia."...
The prime minister’s comments sparked fury among some Muslim leaders who say they were offended by what the prime minister had said.
The chairman of the government's new Islamic advisory committee, Dr Ameer Ali, has warned of more trouble unless Mr Howard tones down his rhetoric on Muslim migrants.
"We have already witnessed one incident in Sydney recently in
Cronulla, I don't want these scenes to be repeated because when you antagonise the younger generation, younger group, they are bound to react," Dr Ali told Macquarie Radio.
Don't tell Muslims they must integrate, or they will attack you.
But Mr Howard today stood by his comments."I don't apologise," he told reporters."I think they are missing the point and the point is that I don't care and the Australian people don't care where people come from.
"There's a small section of the Islamic population which is unwilling to integrate and I have said generally all migrants ... they have to integrate."...
"And I have said, generally, all migrants ... they have to integrate, and that means speaking English as quickly as possible, it means embracing Australian values and it also means making sure that no matter what the culture of the country from which they come might have been, Australia requires women to be treated fairly and equally and in the same fashion as men.
"And if any migrants that come into this country have a different view, they better get rid of that view very quickly. I don't retreat in any way from that. It doesn't involve singling out a group."
Posted by Robert at September 1, 2006 7:15 AM
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Amen, clear, concise and straight to the point. I hope more leaders like Mr. Howard emerge in the future.
I also love the Muslim threats by Dr. Ali, I hope reasonable people take note of them. They are exhibit A that Muslims have no place in any modern Western Democracy. I am sick of their blackmail of threating violence for every percieved slight.
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at September 1, 2006 7:42 AM
The Reuters version of the report
Race Riot Fears
Australian Prime Minister John Howard has called on migrants, particularly Muslims, to integrate into Australian society by quickly learning English -- sparking warnings his comments may lead to race riots.
The head of the government's Muslim advisory committee, Ameer Ali, said on Friday that Howard's comments could fuel race riots like those at Sydney's Cronulla beach last December.
"We have already witnessed one incident in Sydney recently in Cronulla, I don't want these scenes to be repeated because when you antagonize the younger generation ... they are bound to react," Ali told local Sydney radio.
In December 2005, Howard said some Muslims were "raving on about jihad." Days later violence rocked Cronulla, when white Australian youths clashed with Lebanese-Australians.
In February, Howard again angered Australia's small Muslim community by saying he was concerned about extremist Muslim immigrants bent on jihad.
On Thursday, Howard told Sydney radio that migrants, particularly hardline Muslims, needed to conform to Australian values by learning English and treating women with respect.
His latest comments angered Muslims, but the prime minister said he would not apologize.
"I think they are missing the point and the point is that I don't care and the Australian people don't care where people come from," Howard told reporters on Friday.
"There's a small section of the Islamic population which is unwilling to integrate and I have said generally all migrants ... have to integrate," he said.
Almost a quarter of Australians were born overseas. Muslims have been in Australia for more than 200 years and make up 1.5 percent of the 20 million population.
Muslim leaders say their community feels under siege due to the U.S.-led war on terrorism, the Cronulla riot in 2005 and Howard's comments on Muslims.
Islamic leader Iktimal Hage-Ali said the prime minister was unfairly targeting the Muslim community.
"There's a whole lot of other ethnic communities whose parents, whose grandparents don't speak the English language and it's never a problem in the mainstream Australian community," she told reporters.
"Every tiny step that we take forward we have some politician come out and say something stupid and it takes us 10 steps back."
Posted by: Borg at September 1, 2006 8:29 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060901/wl_nm/australia_muslims_dc
Posted by: Borg at September 1, 2006 8:30 AM
Ah, the muslims are at it again. Whining like children, stating veiled threats, commiting incidents. Stop treating women like inferiors? No way! How dare you suggest something like that?
Posted by: XY at September 1, 2006 8:38 AM
when white Australian youths clashed with Lebanese-Australians.
Funny how that got turned around, isn't it? Didn't the muslims kick around the life savers first? Isn't that how it all started?
This makes it sound just the opposite.
at September 1, 2006 8:39 AM
I'm still waiting for him to denounce Moslem values. Until some leader somwhere crosses that line, we're pissing in the wind, and Islam is a stinking poisonous foul wind indeed.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at September 1, 2006 8:47 AM
Borg
thanks for the Reuter's version; I hadn't seen it yet and you ae right about who started the riots! Good one!
at September 1, 2006 9:14 AM
I'm still waiting for him to denounce Moslem values. Until some leader somwhere crosses that line, we're pissing in the wind, and Islam is a stinking poisonous foul wind indeed.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at September 1, 2006 08:47 AM
Just twenty years ago, there was no question in anybody's mind that immigrants came to America to be AMERICANS. Not so today. Can you imagine our illustrious, multicultural, internationalist president telling muslims that they must integrate and accept American values? That would be tantamount to insulting their vile culture and violating their "civil" rights.
I am delighted to see that at least one world leader has the guts to challenge the muslim fifth column in his country. Sure, he could take it ten or twenty steps further, but he and other Australian officials have thus far been much more honest and outspoken than the dhimmi coward leaders everywhere else. His words are music to my ears!
Posted by: Susanp at September 1, 2006 10:06 AM
"...invitations to the Conference of Australian Muslim Religious Leaders next month were sent to extremist clerics..."
"The hardliners who have been invited to the conference...practise Wahabbism, a fundamentalist teaching of Islam.
The constant inference, from Muslim apologists, that regular Muslims believe in a kinder and gentler 'version' of Islam, or that they read different 'version' of the Qur'an, than the hardline, fundamentalist, extremist clerics.
And the constant failure of journalists to ask those apologists to prove that another version of either exists.
Posted by: PRCS at September 1, 2006 10:08 AM
Isn't this how people should talk?
If only other so called leaders would speak in plain understandable language alot of nonsense would cease.
at September 1, 2006 10:33 AM
Good old Johhny telling it like it is, not to mention our Foreign Minister Alexander Downer calling the media out on their blatant use of Hezbo propaganda. As for the extremist clerics conference, I bloody well hope ASIO is on the ball and records every word uttered by those sickos. I fear I will be dissapointed.
Posted by: bondo at September 1, 2006 11:08 AM
I wish our PM would talk like that - the behaviour of many UK Muslims (lack of respect, temper tantrums, threats of violence etc) sometimes seems to me, remiscent of children or adolescents with parents who haven't laid down the boundaries of acceptable behaviour firmly enough.
Posted by: wallyUK at September 1, 2006 11:57 AM
"I don't apologise," he told reporters."I think they are missing the point and the point is that I don't care and the Australian people don't care where people come from."
Take note Washington, D.C.: Clarity of purpose spoken honestly. Integrity is a powerful thing. Try it sometime why don't you.
Posted by: Daisytoo at September 1, 2006 12:04 PM
Three cheers for Mr. Howard! Hopefully it won't be long until other western leaders are saying the same thing, and passing laws to back them up, and - most importantly of all - enforcing those laws with gusto.
I note that Mr. Howard is a conservative. Where are the socialists in the Australian opposition on this, or for that matter the ones currently running the government of the UK? (Still backing the failed "multiculturalism" trojan horse, it would seem). Given the alliance with radical feminists that these parties typically have made, they should have been the first ones saying what Howard has finally said. Disgraceful!
Posted by: templar at September 1, 2006 12:30 PM
I'm betting ameer ali and his colleagues will orchestrate the "young muslims" to riot, since Howard won't apologise. Hopefully other Western leaders will follow suit and toughen up.
Posted by: mustang65 at September 1, 2006 12:43 PM
DEPORTATION for muslem race rioters or those who actively follow jihad, once they serve their time and are let out of jail, deport them and their entire extended family (anyone related to the rioter by blood or marriage). The law must be crafted so that any immigrant can be deported, that way the muslems can't say (thou they will) that they are being singled out (thou they are). It must be made extremely clear that all Australians are profoundly and deeply OFFENDED, offended to the core of Australian values by these muslem actions and these actions will not be tolerated.
Posted by: WLF at September 1, 2006 1:32 PM
Could you imagine if a country like France, Britian or Spain had a leader with the wisdom and foresight of Mr. Howard.
Well... we can dream can't we?
Posted by: Provoslavni at September 1, 2006 1:46 PM
The right to free speech is not documented in the British Commonwealth. That inalienable right is left to the vagaries of transient politics. It's a tradition that could be let to go by the wayside.
And deeply offended Moslems (and deeply offendd proto-Marxists) are those transients.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at September 1, 2006 5:31 PM
WallyUK, if Blair, Bush or any other Western leader followed the example of several Australian politicians, they would get slaughtered by the press and media. Our media are more powerful than our politicians, and it is they who are really in charge of our countries, much to our detriment. They dictate policy and the way people think. They smear our leaders whilst at the same time suck up to Hizbollah and the mad mullahs. Our media is a dangerous fifth columnist of the worst kind.
Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at September 1, 2006 5:54 PM
Spirit; I'd argue that if a Western leader were to adopt Mr. Howard's stance, his pole numbers would jump ten points overnight.
The media are already doing their best to undermine conservative leaders and they make me sick too. But the media's amplifiers can't 'go to eleven'.
Posted by: limes at September 1, 2006 6:41 PM
Islamisbad: The appeal by the two pastors is now in a real court, which seems set to overturn the ridiculous bureaucrat-gone-mad set up that were the original charges. The pastors were never likely to face jail time, thanks in large, I have heard, to emails from the US to the Victorian government. Well done!
Posted by: Brett_McS at September 1, 2006 8:30 PM
You may be right about journalists. Apparently the anti-terrorist chief in the UK has just announced that they are watching thousands of potential Muslim terrorists and that many are going off to fight in Iraq, via Syria. When getting a comment on this from the commander of British forces in Iraq, the first thing the reporter asked was:'Is it our foreign policy that's to blame?' The soldier just replied that Muslim youth are behaving like this all over the world and there are many reasons, including, possibly,'the perceived emasculation of Muslim society'(?). When on earth is someone high up simply going to say:'It's the religion, stupid.'
at September 1, 2006 11:32 PM
I am very pleased to see mr howard's comments; it is slowly becoming acceptable to speak something approaching the truth these days.
Posted by: jonathan riley at September 2, 2006 3:19 AM
The media-zombies have to be told in no uncertain terms to lift their game and to get with it. I don't see why an articulate, determined leader should not be able to formulate policy based on common sense. Common sense does make sense after all, though it is not common...
I hope that Howard has a policy and an action plan just in case things get rough again, and they will of course, because our Mohammedan infil-traitors will continue on the warpath of making Australia islamic.
Greetings to all the Aussies out there and of course all other Jihad-watchers from the vinyards of Tuscany. I'll be back in Oz next week!
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at September 2, 2006 3:57 AM
The media-zombies have to be told in no uncertain terms to lift their game and to get with it. I don't see why an articulate, determined leader should not be able to formulate policy based on common sense. Common sense does make sense after all, though it is not common...
I hope that Howard has a policy and an action plan just in case things get rough again, and they will of course, because our Mohammedan infil-traitors will continue on the warpath of making Australia islamic.
Greetings to all the Aussies out there and of course all other Jihad-watchers from the vinyards of Tuscany. I'll be back in Oz next week!
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at September 2, 2006 4:00 AM
I don't like the way the Reuters report paraphrased Howard as saying women should be treated 'with respect'. That's not the same as "equality of men and women".
Muslims always carry on about treating women 'with respect, but differently'. Yeah, respectfully shrouded from view, 'protected' from working, 'saved' from driving etc.
Reuters is an absolute heap of s**t, as I'm beginning to realise!
Posted by: Lili at September 2, 2006 6:00 AM
Good for Mr. Howard!
But the real question is why Australia (or America, or any western nation) needs such culturally incompatible immigrants in the first place?
Posted by: RBLA at September 2, 2006 10:01 AM
Three cheers for John Howard.
A question for the US readers.. I'm presently in the US (central Ohio, beautiful country) and I've spoken to a few Americans I've met about the differences between the USA and Australia.
There is a general agreement that we face the same problem, namely Islam.
One very insightful person I spoke to yesterday said that the major problem facing the USA is not external threats, but internal weaknesses, namely a lack of appreciation of America's history and culture, and why it must be defended.
My impression is that this person's attitude represents the mainstream American attitude, why therefore don't the politicians here get the picture ?
Posted by: Ozi_bloke at September 2, 2006 11:00 AM
Your right the Muslims are at it again, whinning and threating to attack as usual. The Muslim is right he cann't control their young men, their young men do as they please. This is the rule of Mo and the moon rock god allah, written in the holy book called the koran. Teaching them all truth!!
Watch it they'll start raping un-veiled Austrlian women, non-muslim of course. Its their right, those stupid Ho's deserve it!. They'll start attacking the population, terror will be on the menue of the day. This is their morality, their mentality. It the peace of Islam, this is what Islam is all about, and what the koran teachs them.
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NEWS FLASH!! MUSLIM YOUNG MEN ARE MURDERS, RAPIST,THEY ARE UN-CIVILIZED - THEY ARE RACIST AND SEXISTS. News flash your royal rumpbus! Is their anyone who didn't really know that?? Maybe someone on a postage stamp part of this earth, but wait they'll find him/her they'll get to them.
And why you say is this happening, because they came willingly to a free society, and they are un-willing to conform, to the most basic requests/demands (and it should be demands)of the people of that society. We're they asked to come, well no, we're they dragged to Aussie land, no. Gee, as I see send em packing, the sooner the better, mama, papa, sisters, brothers and every single one that doesn't conform. Its your choice Aussie land, buck up baby.
We have to hold them to our rules, yes our rules, and be ready to defend ourselves, to the limit, and from the bloody bleeding hearts who will cry "Hate crime" because we refuse to die like the dog we must be. Yeah, like we are the ones who should die. Right! not, not me at least
Posted by: Aprilyn at September 2, 2006 12:41 PM
Bravo! An Aussie "con huevos" (with balls)!
Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at September 2, 2006 3:36 PM
Spirit; I'd argue that if a Western leader were to adopt Mr. Howard's stance, his pole numbers would jump ten points overnight.
Maybe in Australia he might, but here in PC Britain, he'd be branded as a racist and a bigot, and his poll ratings would sink through the floor.
Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at September 2, 2006 4:18 PM
I APPLAUD John Howard for his statements. He is one courageous politician among a sea of fools! I wish that the UK had a leader who had the courage of Howard's convictions.
Posted by: Mark Alexander at September 2, 2006 7:31 PM
Well as an Aussie living under Howard I am none to pleased with him....This comment however shows a bit of the aussie backbone and what we think is right for our country....He has set himself and many others up as targets but will stand by these words better than many others he has spoken...and yes the veiled threat was pretty obvious..and yes the muslims already do the pack rape thing on non muslim women ...I suppose there will be more instances...but we should catch those ones too and lock them away for life with the rest of their kith where hopefully some Real men hear of their exploits and they get some jail justice....that'd b sweet.
Terrorists are sick and equal only to the mentally insane and inferior minds of the easily led as they are brainwashed from birth similair to members of cults...
So narrow and backward are their views
they do not have the strength of mind to realize that life Grows.
at September 3, 2006 1:58 AM
Re Prime Minister Howard's comments.
For a full roundup of the Australian Prime Ministers recent comments and reactions to same by "the usual suspects", check out:
http://aussie_news_views.typepad.com/aussie_news_views/2006/09/var_api_ve_getp_1.html
For this story and all the latest on the "cult of DEATH" down under.
Yours faithfully,
Aussie.
at September 3, 2006 2:45 AM
Re PM Howards comments and the threats by Muslims in response to same, this might be of interest re Dr Ameer Ali's reference to more "Cronulla Riot" typr behaviour by the members of the "Religion of Peace"
http://aussie_news_views.typepad.com/aussie_news_views/cronulla_riots_lebanese_muslim_revenge_attacks/index.html
Yours faithfully,
Aussie.
at September 3, 2006 2:50 AM
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