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Sure, drop "Islamic fascism." "Jihad" is more accurate, and it even has fewer syllables. From AP:
Washington: Democratic Senator Russ Feingold demanded that President George W. Bush refrain from using the phrase "Islamic fascists", saying it offends Muslims and has nothing to do with terrorists fighting the United States.
"We must avoid using misleading and offensive terms that link Islam with those who subvert this great religion or who distort its teachings to justify terrorist activities," Feingold said in a speech to the Arab American Institute.
The Wisconsin senator, a potential 2008 presidential candidate, said the label "Islamic fascists" makes no sense and doesn't help the US effort to combat terrorism.
"Fascist ideology doesn't have anything to do with the way global terrorist networks think or operate, and it doesn't have anything to do with the overwhelming majority of Muslims around the world who practise the peaceful teachings of Islam," Feingold said.
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Thus ends the stream of dhimmi buzzwords and catchphrases from Feingold, but here's Zogby and Hooper to wrap things up:
Feingold's comments drew applause from the Arab American Institute audience and praise from the group's president, James Zogby, who argued that the term "Islamic fascism" scares Americans and inflames passions.
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Ebrahim Hooper, a spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a civil rights group, said he hasn't heard Bush use the term in a while, including the president's speech on Monday night.
"I think it's pretty clear now that the use of the term was counterproductive in winning the hearts and minds in the war on terror," he said.
That is, if our battle cry in the "war on terror" is to be: "What do we have to do to make you like us?"
Posted by Marisol at September 14, 2006 12:37 AM
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We can excuse Hooper's takiyya. But has Feingold read the Quran and hadiths? Doesn't look like it.
It is not "war on terror." It is "war on Muslim Jihad terrorism."
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at September 14, 2006 1:08 AM
Unendurable stupidity. A Craven panderfest.
It's like a little portion of Lebanon playing out in Washington, if you catch my meaning.
Posted by: jsla at September 14, 2006 1:09 AM
http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson091106.html
It’s Fascism — and It's Islamic
by Victor Davis Hanson
"Critics of the term chosen by the president, however, should remember what al-Qaeda, the Taliban, Hezbollah, Hamas and other extremist Muslim groups have said and done. Like the fascists of the 1930s, the leaders of these groups are authoritarians who brook no dissent in their efforts to impose a comprehensive system of submission upon the unwilling."
Posted by: PRCS at September 14, 2006 1:29 AM
Unfinished business in the Middle East.
The grand Mufti of Jerusalem was an active supporter of Hitler in WW II. Hamas is patterned after Nazism. The great Nasser of Egypt was an admirer of Nazism. Bin Ladden was an admirer. Even caged Saddam had Nazi sympathies. This is unfinished business. We conquered Nazism in Europe, but we did not finish the job in the Middle East.
"Islamofascism", or better"Islamonazism", is the correct term for Islamic Jihad terrorism against our free world.
We need to finish the left over WW II business in the Arab world, and conquer Islamic Jihad once and for all, just like we did Europe's Nazism.
Posted by: Battle_of_Tours at September 14, 2006 1:30 AM
I say "Islam". Just "Islam".
"Jihad" is a strategy. "Fascism" is the tree of which Islam, along with Nazism and Communism, is a branch. "Radical Islam" assumes there has been a thorough liberalization of Islam to which some Muslims are reacting by "going back to the roots"--an as yet unevidenced assumption.
And the species Muslimus Moderatus, though it probably does exist, can be found only in deep caves, risking immediate death should it come to the open, and further easy to confuse with the False Moderate, classified as Muslimus Taqiyyans.
"Islam". That's the name you want. Anything else partakes of the spirit of political correctness, if not actually politically correct.
Posted by: ZionistYoungster at September 14, 2006 3:18 AM
"Islam". That's the name you want. Anything else partakes of the spirit of political correctness, if not actually politically correct.
Dream on. The PC Multiculturalist template is too solidly and massively entrenched in the West to allow such sense to be expressed in daylight; it must hide in the interstices of the Internet.
at September 14, 2006 4:56 AM
As far as I am concern, I will still use the term "Islamofacists". IMHO, all this fuss will just mike this term all the more popular.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at September 14, 2006 5:42 AM
"I think it's pretty clear now that the use of the term was counterproductive in winning the hearts and minds in the war on terror," he said.
Well how about this phrase which is the only way we can win Islamic hearts and minds:
"I surrender to the will of Allah!!!"
With special thanks to the European elites for their unstinting work in furthering the aims of Islam in Europe and destroying my individual freedoms and rights.
Posted by: Daffersd at September 14, 2006 6:46 AM
I would say Islam too.
It's the economy, stupid!!
Becomes:
It's Islam, stupid!!
Posted by: Daffersd at September 14, 2006 7:11 AM
What they are saying is, it's ok if muslims offend us, but we must not offend muslims. Apparently 9/11 didn't offend some people. I was deeply offended. I don't think Feingold has done his homework. It's like doing a book report and instead of reading the book, he has the librarian tell him some highlights from the book. Anyone with HALF a brain would read up on islam before making idiotic comments such as, peaceful teachings of islam. There is nothing peaceful about it. The koran is a war manual. It needs to be treated as such.
Posted by: freewoman at September 14, 2006 7:42 AM
"I think it's pretty clear now that the use of the term was counterproductive in winning the hearts and minds in the war on terror," he said.
I'm not sure that I've ever heard a bigger lie!
Okay, Mr. Hooper, I'll drop "Islamofascism" and use ISLAM instead--more accurate, anyway. Can't win hearts and minds, anyway. And I absolutely refuse to participate in anything which even hints of appeasement.
Posted by: Always On Watch at September 14, 2006 8:03 AM
Who is the enemy? It is certainly not “terror”. Terror has not attacked us. Is the enemy Islamic Fascists? What is a fascist?
fascism: A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
With the exception of racism, all the above could easily apply to any Islamic regime. So that would make “Islamic Fascism” a redundant term.
Is the enemy Islamic militants? If so, the term would apply to Muhammed himself.
How about Islamic extremists? The problem with this concept is that the perpetrators of jihad inspired violence are adhering strictly to mainstream Islamic doctrine as defined by the Islamic canon (Koran, hadiths and Sira). Islamic extremists would be those who do not engage in, nor support, jihad violence.
So who is the enemy in this modern global war? Here is an idea: let us call them what they call themselves. They are the mujahideen (مجاهدين), “one who fights in a jihad“. Here is a better idea: let us call them what our ancestors called them for over 1000 years, the Saracens. For more than a millenium our ancestors defended themselves against unprovoked attacks from the Saracens.
Yes, let us recognize that we, like our ancestors for more than 10 centuries, are defending ourselves against this ancient enemy. Let us recognize that again, there are Saracens at our gates. They have not come in peace to trade. They have come to make war, to kill, to maim, to loot, to enslave, to subjugate and oppress, to destroy. Yes, there are Saracens at the gates.
Let there be War on Saracens.
Posted by: DrMack at September 14, 2006 8:57 AM
For once, I agree- the term 'Islamic fascists' really oughtn't to be used. I wrote to President Bush and a couple of senators expressing this. I objected to that term in the strongest possible terms. I agree that calling it fascism inflames emotions and gives the American people the wrong idea.
Instead, I asked Pres. Bush to call it by its right name - Islam. Even 'Islamic jihad' is a misrepresentation, or at the verey least, a reduncy of terms. CAlling the attacks on innocent people 'the only logical outcome of the religion of Islam' really is the only correct way to phrase this, and I hope that more people will inform our elected officials of this mistake in terminology.
Posted by: libbysmom at September 14, 2006 9:24 AM
DrMack,
I would disagree with you about racism not being a component of islamic regimes. I'd direct you to memeri.org and check out the antisemitism coming out of Palestine, Iran...anywhere. Although Islam is only a religion and not a race, there is plenty of racism emminating from the mouths of Muslims everywhere.
Posted by: Tomilio at September 14, 2006 9:37 AM
Everytime I start to get sick of the republican party and question whether I should continue to support it, a good ole democrate comes along saying something like this. It's instant reaffirmation as to why I vote republican even when I am not happy with the party.
Posted by: adobe at September 14, 2006 10:34 AM
Maybe big demo russ would prefer ISLAMO fascism as opposed to islamic fascism. Don't get your jock strap in a twist mr. russ.
Posted by: mustang65 at September 14, 2006 11:14 AM
adobe writes:
"Everytime I start to get sick of the republican party and question whether I should continue to support it, a good ole democrate comes along saying something like this. It's instant reaffirmation as to why I vote republican even when I am not happy with the party."
Amen to that brother! I'm going to write in
Tom Tancredo if Mitt Romney doesn't run for
POTUSA, since the "mainstream" Republicans
don't get it, like you said.
And while I realize it's irrational, when a Jew
like Feingold says something like that, I
cringe. But he is from Wisconsin, so that
explains a lot.
It would be great if our "leaders" did a bit of
homework.
at September 14, 2006 11:19 AM
somewhere in the world a bunch of real fascist are offended to be associated with islam...
Posted by: FedUp at September 14, 2006 11:42 AM
Islamic Fascism or Islamofascism is the PC term invented by those who are too afraid to offend by telling like it is!!!
The word is.....ISLAM !!!!
Posted by: xach at September 14, 2006 12:11 PM
So Facism is not a popular word when used with Islam.
Well, look again.
The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Arafat's uncle, was so enamored of Adolph that he went to Berlin and got a committment from Hitler to come to the Holy Land and wipe out all the Jews after Hitler won the war in Europe. The Mufti then went to Yugoslavia to recruit Muslims to fight for Germany.
Iran changed its name from Persia to Iran(Aryan in Farsi) in 1935 because of the Shah's admiration of Uncle Adolph. Their modern military uniforms are modeled after the SS and the Luftwaffe.
I believe this Islamic fascination with facism/Nazism stems from a common hatred of Jews.
at September 14, 2006 12:11 PM
Saracens....indeed! Perhaps we should send the Saracens a message! A small nuke on Mecca should do the trick. And guess what....there would be NO colateral damage. Not a woman or child within miles of "Ground Zero"!(now there is interesting term). And we could claim "Plausible Denial"; It must have been an an "Act of God" (Allah?) and after all...."god is great"!!!
Posted by: xach at September 14, 2006 12:34 PM
My dismay is in the fact that Feingold is a Jew, and the Jews are the most hated of, and first target of Islam.
How can a Jew even think of defending an ideology and people who consider them satanic and an embodiment of evil
Me no comprende, esta mentalidad.
Posted by: Nariz at September 14, 2006 2:32 PM
Nariz - Weingold debe aprender esto:
Boca cerrada no entran moscas.
Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at September 14, 2006 4:11 PM
Lo siento Feingold... no es Weingold.
at September 14, 2006 4:18 PM
Feingold, Weingold, Miss Rheingold of 1937 (to remember those New Yorker ads, one simply must be 80 or older)-- as long as he cuts the crap.
Posted by: Hugh at September 14, 2006 4:29 PM
A foolish Jew, a crafty Muslim, and a Christian Arab shill walk into this seminar...
Posted by: jsla at September 14, 2006 5:18 PM
"Miss Rheingold of 1937 (to remember those New Yorker ads, one simply must be 80 or older)..."
Just use the Nick at Nite excuse.
Posted by: remote_control at September 14, 2006 7:03 PM
Feingold get the "Just Shut Up" award for the day.
at September 15, 2006 12:34 AM
Hooper: "I think it's pretty clear now that the use of the term was counterproductive in winning the hearts and minds in the war on terror," he said.
Winning hearts and minds.....Is not our responsibility. 9/11 proved that.
at September 15, 2006 12:36 AM
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Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at September 15, 2006 11:52 AM
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