I note, from the significant applause given her 'radical Christianity' statement, the mindset of some Americans.

Too many Americans.

Posted by: PRCS at September 14, 2006 1:21 AM

Rosie is obviously unhappy with her Catholic childhood, much like Madonna. Each lost their mother. Both rebellious and Rosie being a lesbian is obviously bitter about the church's position on being gay. It is a stupid statement made by someone who allows their personal bitterness regarding the Church to throw ratioal thought and comparison out the door.

Posted by: John Sobieski at September 14, 2006 1:45 AM

Hi Robert,

I can't see Rose contacting you, best if you contact her and ask to appear on her show. Good opportunity to publicise your book, which I will be purchasing !

Posted by: PAS at September 14, 2006 1:52 AM

Rosie thinks like a woman who has no solid moral foundation.

I don't give a hoot about what in your face Rosie has to say about Christianity and Islam.

Rosie has major ISSUES.

Radical Islam and Radical Christianity are nothing alike. It is like comparing apples to oranges.

Radical Islam slaughters innocent civilians through violent terrorist attacks and justifies violence in the name of jihad and Allah.

Radical Christianity is not involved with terrorism and espouses the belief that it is deeply sinful to use violence and target innocent civilians while making a religious statement.

Radical Islam seeks to impose sharia which puts Muslims on a higher status by taxing the infidel (non-Muslim) through the jizyah.

Read about jizyah here:
http://www.bharatvani.org/books/jihad/app2.htm

Radical Christianity allows the non-Christian to live in a free country and does not attempt to establish a religious system like sharia where there are no divisions between church and state.

Rosie is dead wrong in her comparisons about Christianity and Islam.

Posted by: Johnathan at September 14, 2006 1:55 AM

Rosie, like so many other celebrities unhappy with their Christian upbringing, sure have an axe to grind.

Posted by: abad at September 14, 2006 1:57 AM

Rush Limbaugh was talking about this on his program yesterday afternoon. He pointed out that it took place in upper Manhattan and according to him there are a lot of liberals in that part of New York and they don't have much use for Christianity, hence, the applause for her comment.

What major accomplishments does Rosie O'Donnell have to her credit? She was in a few funny movies. She had a talk show way back when. She launched a failed magazine, which I don't fault her for. At least she tried. But she seems to have found her niche ever since she came out as a lesbian. She is the darling of the liberal left, the same people that whine about the treatment of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay and never met a Muslim whose ass they wouldn't gladly kiss. She reminds me of a spoiled, precocious child who says something hurtful or ridiculous and then keeps going when she gets a rise out of somebody. Not exactly the stuff that makes her an authority on anything and certainly not on, perhaps, the most important and life threatening issue of our time.

Rosie, your ignorance is showing.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at September 14, 2006 2:02 AM

What exactly differentiates the 'radical' versions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam from 'normal' versions of those faiths?

And would Rosie be less upset to hear that homosexuality is a sin from an elderly Presbyterian woman or from Grandma Fatima?

Posted by: PRCS at September 14, 2006 2:33 AM

C.S. Lewis noted in his Screwtape Letters that one of the best strategies of the demons is to get humans worried about the things they need to least to worry about so that they ignore those things that are obvious threats. Such is the case here.

Poor Rosie doesn't know her theological ass from her elbow and hence wouldn't know what "Radical Christianity" was if it bit her in the ass. She shows no proficiency in Christian history or thought. Like the term "fundamentalist" she has picked up yet another curse word to throw at people rather than produce an actual argument.

Posted by: American_Palamite at September 14, 2006 2:43 AM

A.P.,

It doesn't matter that Rosie doesn't know her arse from her elbow. All those out there that congratulate themselves on how clever they are will not care if she has any authority to speak or not. As long as she is defiant in her attitude towards decent society, the Catholic Church and normal everyday folks, she will get the red light to keep flapping her gums.

How ironic, that in an Islamic Society, Rosie would be the first to lose a head.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at September 14, 2006 3:17 AM

Muslim society would've stoned Rosie by now. It may be hard being different in our society, but it's immpossible under sharia.

Posted by: kevin at September 14, 2006 3:30 AM

Why should we care what Rosie O'Donnell thinks or says?

Well, frankly: because she reaches millions of people worldwide. People - whatever one may personally think of it - listen to her. And so her opinion on this issue is of major importance.

It is not for us to batter her personally. She is wrong, of course - as Robert points out, neither Pat Robertson nor the Pope nor the Archbishop of Canterbury have beheaded anyone this week, or any other, nor called for the death of anyone, nor contracted out assassinations, nor hung 16-yr old girls for being raped by their uncles, nor tossed gay people off the tops of tall buildings. She is utterly, demonstrably, utterly wrong. But we do no good by sniping at her, however irritating her misguided commentary may be. We do better, everywhere and always, to - as that charming epileptic desert nomad liked to put it - to 'guide her to the truth'. Write to her agents - I will be. Tell them about this site. (Tell them also that comments are unmoderated, as we seem to attract a lot of loonies, or of people so worked up by the outrages of the moon god`s lot that the steam valve lets go and hot air, mixed with vapour, is produced.) Tell them about Robert. Get him on the show to talk about the issues. Explain what islam is about; and how reform is possible, but well outside the present interpretation.

And neither shake nor make any bones about it: the position is quite true, surprisingly accurate. It is, in short, the truth - and demonstrably, again, far more so than the association of the ravings of a religious bandit with any sense of any deity.

The irony of course is that no one on this site would behead Rosie for failing to achieve that truth. And how many of that moderate majority would do so, worldwide? How many of the ummah would treat her with such tolerance?

Forgive them, for they know not what they do.

Prophète Geoff

Posted by: Geoff at September 14, 2006 3:47 AM

All right, fellow dhimmiwatchers.

I just above proposed a little project: contact Rosie O'Donnell. And here's how it works.

I am attaching the simple link to "The View", which proceeds out over that 'series of tubes', thu 'internet', as the new Internet Czar would likely have put it.

http://abc.go.com/daytime/theview/

There is an option yonder there: "Email Rosie".

I would like to request that every wild-eyed, pajama-wearing blog fiend among you - and that means you, Izzy and PRCS and all the rest - email Rosie using said link and tell her in a few short, concise lines what the real difference is between conservative islam and conservative Christianity. Tell them about Robert. Tell them about www.dhimmiwatch.org. Tell them about why this isn't a left or right or centre issue, but a civilizational one.

And of course, tell them about Prophet Geoff.

But - for the love of whatever God or Goddess or Gender-Unsure-Deity you profess to love or acknowledge or distain - BE POLITE. I don't think this can be stressed enough, so I'll stress it again: BE POLITE. If you think the target audience (and what a different thing we mean by that than, say, religious conservatives in Saudi Arabia might mean!) will respond well to a tongue-lashing, let me just remind you that we're not dealing with Andy Dick here. Be polite, and confident. Talk to the issue. Explain the point. Don't belabour it with too many quotes - but one or two from Sura 9 from a few people ought to help. (Or from Sura 4, 4:11 and 4:34 in particular, or from Sura 2...well, you get the point.)

I am on my way to do the very thing maintenant. I suggest - if changing minds and opening up debate is really on your radar - you do the same.

Did I mention being polite?

Le Prophet
Geoff

Posted by: Geoff at September 14, 2006 4:01 AM

Rosie who?

Posted by: BurgerBoy at September 14, 2006 4:04 AM

Now, now. Hearts and minds.

Prophet Geoff

Posted by: Geoff at September 14, 2006 4:34 AM

"I note, from the significant applause given her 'radical Christianity' statement, the mindset of some Americans.

Too many Americans."

Yep. Millions. Ordinary. And most of them not 'elites'.

Posted by: remote_control at September 14, 2006 4:51 AM

To guage the danger of religious activists by simply counting the number of death threats they issue is pretty facile. There is a powerful and irrational Christian fundamentalist movement in the USA which poses a more immediate and direct threat to the American way of life, via attacks on the Constitution, than any wild-eyed Mohammedan fanatic who might threaten to chop your head off.

Sure, fight the jihadists - they need to be defeated. But don't take your eye off the fundamentalists in your own back yard. Does the word Dominionism mean anything to you? It should.

Posted by: mww at September 14, 2006 5:10 AM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5343188.stm

FINALLY SOME SENSE !

Hezbollah accused of war crimes

Amnesty said the rocket attacks were deliberate and indiscriminate
Amnesty International has accused Hezbollah of acts amounting to war crimes in the conflict with Israel.
The group said Hezbollah deliberately targeted civilians with rockets in the 34-day war - a "serious violation of international humanitarian law".

An earlier Amnesty report accused Israel of committing war crimes by deliberately targeting civilian infrastructure in Lebanon.

Amnesty again urged a UN inquiry into violations by both sides.

'No justification'

The latest Amnesty report said: "Hezbollah's rocket attacks on northern Israel amounted to deliberate attacks on civilians and civilian objects, as well as indiscriminate attacks, both war crimes under international law."

It said Hezbollah had fired nearly 4,000 rockets into northern Israel, killing 43 civilians and forcing hundreds of thousands to flee.

Amnesty said Sheikh Nasrallah did a U-turn on civilian targeting

It noted that although Hezbollah had said its policy was not to target civilians, its leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah said the policy was changed in reprisal for Israeli attacks on Lebanese civilian areas.

It quoted Sheikh Nasrallah as saying: "As long as the enemy undertakes its aggression without limits or red lines, we will also respond without limits or red lines."

Amnesty said Israel's violations could in no way justify Hezbollah's actions.

Amnesty International's Secretary General, Irene Khan, said: "Civilians must not be made to pay the price for unlawful conduct on either side."

Amnesty repeated its call for "a comprehensive, independent and impartial inquiry" by the UN into the violations and to ensure there was "full reparation" to victims.

It said those responsible for civilian suffering were "escaping all accountability".

Ms Khan said: "Justice is urgently needed if respect for the rules of war is ever to be taken seriously."

Posted by: Churchill1938 at September 14, 2006 5:44 AM

mww,

Well, I admit freely that Dominionism does indeed mean nothing to me. If some grasping, all-consuming sect of ultimate power - then they have perhaps overdone the 'secret' part. Who, pray tell, have they killed? Have they crashed airplanes into something? Beheaded some people? What?

Prophet Geoff

Posted by: Geoff at September 14, 2006 6:16 AM

A fundamentalist Christian feels the "love". A muslim feels the hate. I prefer the former to knock on my door to ask me to listen to his spiel, than to have the latter spill my blood because I'd refused to listen.

I also have never been afraid to board a plane with a bunch of Christians, whereas I WOULDN'T board a plane with a load of muslims.

The fundamentalist Christians may be aggravating sometimes, but the muslims are potentially deadly all the time.

Posted by: freewoman at September 14, 2006 7:01 AM

Her biggest accomplishment, outside the walls of the local buffet, and not counting her participation in gay pride marches, was playing the role of Betty Rubble in the first Flinstones movie.

Hardly an authority on Islam.

Posted by: DCWatson at September 14, 2006 7:51 AM

Well, at least Rosie recognizes that Radical Islam is a threat, that's a start. Not a great start, but still. But, as Freewomen and others above note, there is nothing in common between Radical Christians, who have never once staged a planned violent terror attack, and Islam, who use terror attacks as a matter of course.

As a side note, I know many, many non-religious people, atheist, non-beleivers and such, and every time Islamists do something insane, it just pushes them further and further away from any belief that Islam is a "religion of peace" or the belief that it should be in any way tolerated or condoned. The non-believers around me more and more equate Islam with "Nazism" or "racism." There will be no conversion to Islam among the non-beleivers, they see its irrationality quite clearly.

Posted by: ryoga at September 14, 2006 8:27 AM

FREE SPEACH yes. STUPID no. However, stupid is not illegal, yet.

I am just appalled that BaWa Waters let this insult slide. But, she's talking and listening to her dog! He's probably an re-incarnated anti-semitic, son-of a-moon-god-howler telling her all is well with Rosie.

Posted by: Grateful1 at September 14, 2006 8:56 AM

I don't see anything of particular concern in regards to "radical Christianity" - "Christianity" is inherently "radical" as it turns all man's efforts to reach God on their head - it is all about God reaching down to us through His son, Jesus Christ. God certainly doesn't reach down through Islam, which denies that He has a son.

I do have a concern with this though, for Jesus talks of apostasy / falling away - prior for His return for the church ... human efforts frustrate God's grace:

What I see emerging is a counterfeit form of Christianity (Mystery Babylon", riding a political, military and economic Beast to power. Be very wary.
Islam is simply a cab off the rank of lies and deceptions ... there are other cabs waiting. Don't hail them!

http://www.raidersnewsupdate.com/lead-story541.htm

Bush Tells Group He Sees a 'Third Awakening'

By Peter Baker
Washington Post Staff Writer

President Bush said yesterday that he senses a "Third Awakening" of
religious devotion in the United States that has coincided with the
nation's struggle with international terrorists, a war that he
depicted as "a confrontation between good and evil."

Bush told a group of conservative journalists that he notices more
open expressions of faith among people he meets during his travels,
and he suggested that might signal a broader revival similar to other
religious movements in history.

[...]

Posted by: Xaragma at September 14, 2006 9:11 AM

Prophet Jeff,

I just woke up. It's amazing how beneficial two or three hours of sleep can be.

Thanks for Ms. O'Donnell's contact info. I'll draft a polite, informative letter to her right after I check my Ebay watch list.

And I'll add her name to the list of those lucky folks who've already received such correspondence this week.

Now, let me put on my PJs and get started.

Posted by: PRCS at September 14, 2006 9:43 AM

mww writes:
"There is a powerful and irrational Christian fundamentalist movement in the USA which poses a more immediate and direct threat to the American way of life, via attacks on the Constitution, than any wild-eyed Mohammedan fanatic who might threaten to chop your head off."

That's just utter nonsense. I've been hearing
stuff like that since I was a boy and now that
I'm middle aged, none of it has come to pass.

FWIW, I'm Jewish, not Christian, so I ignore all
of the daft (to me!) Jesus talk on this board,
but this great fear of Christianity in America is
just insane.

Posted by: root_cause at September 14, 2006 10:36 AM

There is a powerful and irrational Christian fundamentalist movement in the USA which poses a more immediate and direct threat to the American way of life, via attacks on the Constitution, than any wild-eyed Mohammedan fanatic who might threaten to chop your head off.

Have you been reading the articles on this site????

Have you been watching the news?????

Are you kidding me.... Your statement reeks of that liberal elitism that is going to get us all killed....

If you are so scarred of us "radical" Christians who simply call for a conversion of heart, go live in Eqypt or Saudi Arabia where their are no "pesky" Christians to bother you....

Regarding Dominionism, never heard of it. But in general, you can be sure that Christians, unlike muslims, will call out radical elements (i.e. David Koresh types), strongly denounce them and in many cases actively work against them......

Posted by: adobe at September 14, 2006 10:44 AM

If the woman is a lesbian, so be it. I have no problem with it. I have a problem with people who compare islamic terrorists to Christian terrorists. When is the last time Christian "terrorists" blew themselves up, killing innocent men, women and children?

Posted by: mustang65 at September 14, 2006 10:58 AM

Radical Christianity IS more powerful than radical Islam.

Father Maximillian Kolbe at Auschwitz offering to die in place of a complete stranger (dying horribly and slowly of starvation). To me that is Radical Christianity.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at September 14, 2006 11:09 AM

Certainly the shows producer,Barbara Wa Wa had to fully know and understand the lefty,liberal history of Rosie before inviting here onto the show. You say the View is supposed to represent the mainstream view of American woman. The show is sounding more like a talk show on Air America. I've yet to meet a liberal who has the ability to explain why they think the way they do. They are good at calling names and can never give an intelligent reason why. For those that I have bothered to take the time to challenge they become even more shrill to the point of hyper-ventalating until there friends tell them to drop it because I'm not worth arguing with (that has happened several times over the years).

Watching the way Rosie argues her point, Robert Spencer, who is a polite speaker would have trouble with her because she will as she has many times before begin to yell over the top of him, thus trying to crush his responces with whatever loud polemical platitudes she can come up with in trying to get a rise out of the audience on her behalf. Yes substance of an intelligent argument be dammed when it comes to the comedic mind of Rosie.

There is one Jewish Comedian that I would love to see argue with Rosie who I can't think of his name at the moment that I think could hold his own with her. Meaning no respect to Robert but he is to much of a genleman to trade barbs with such a loud mouth.

Posted by: Mackie at September 14, 2006 11:13 AM

Equivalancy is so tidy. But let's give Rosie a break. Yes, her statement is fantastic and flies in the face of reality. But who cares, these poor Moslems are victims, and must have their millions of crimes excused by way of dumb equivalency, even their greatest felony of all: belief in the Koran and the Sunnah.

Karl Marx musta laughed in his grave as that studio full of women piously applauded Rosie's extreme statement.

What was she being extreme about? Forgiveness, that's what.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at September 14, 2006 11:47 AM

(Holds hand to forehead and concentrates)
Mackie,
You are thinking of Jackie Mason.

Yrs,
The Amazing Kreskin

Posted by: AnneCrockett at September 14, 2006 11:49 AM

She is just pissed that the Church condemns homosexuality. I don't care what people do - just don't tell me about it and don't have pornographic parades in front of my kids. God will be the judge.

Story about the resolution of an arrested Iraqi
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,213788,00.html

Posted by: Carolyn2 at September 14, 2006 12:17 PM

. But don't take your eye off the fundamentalists in your own back yard. Does the word Dominionism mean anything to you? It should

I've also heard of the "grays", they come into your bedroom at night and spirit you away to their spaceship where they do anal probes on you...eeewwww.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at September 14, 2006 12:29 PM

Anne crockett:

Jackie Mason is correct

Thanks

Posted by: Mackie at September 14, 2006 12:54 PM

Yes, Jackie Mason would be a brilliant choice to debate Rosie O'Donnell, especially on an issue that she apparently knows nothing about. He did a wonderful job defending Mel Gibson against those who wouldn't let it go after Mel apologized for his remarks after his DUI arrest. Check it out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gct84oE5DEE

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at September 14, 2006 1:09 PM

Isabellathecrusader:

Jackie Mason debating Rosie would be terrific. The man from Sheboygan,Wisconsin at 75 years young is still as sharp as a tac.

Posted by: Mackie at September 14, 2006 1:36 PM

Yes Mackie,

His arguments are logical. And he doesn't eviscerate anyone unless they REALLY, REALLY ask for it. He also has the added advantage of being Jewish which will eliminate anyone trying to diffuse his arguments with a charge of anti-semitism.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at September 14, 2006 2:22 PM

Anyway, back to Rosie. You know something else? Neither Jerry Falwell nor Pat Robertson have beheaded anyone this entire week. Nor have they threatened to do so.

Tsk, tsk Robert. That's an argumentum ad absurdum a variation of the strawman argument.

It would be more productive to address the real similarities between Islam and "conservative" Christianity..

Like the hatred of liberals and secular's, the attitude towards gays, pro choicers and feminists, and the subtext of Pat Robertson, Falwell and others of the Dominionist or Christian Reconsructionist persuasion.. to create a theocracy in the U.S.

Rosie is not knowledgeable about Islam, a fault shared by the Republican Party, and even conservative Christian.

What she is knowledgeable about is how the theocrats, the religious radicals have taken over the grass roots of the Republican party, and the agenda of the "Christian Right"..obviously she, like many others, perceive the Christian Right as a real and immediate threat, and if they perceive an Islamic threat at all, it as a distant threat, or not even a viable threat.

You would know this, if you spent time listening to voices other than those that agree with you..

I guess there aren't many people who have the facility or ability to listen to all voices and points of view..amazing what insight and info can be gleaned by listening.

But people go to Church, mosque, synagogue to have their beliefs reinforced and to rub their fur against fellow creatures.. the same is true of course for the leftists..and too many liberals.

People who worship Mike Savage and Limpballs, will never tune in or read something from say Mother Jones, the Nation or Huffington Post, on the other hand people who read Mother Jones, the Nation and Huffington Post, avidly read and listen to the likes of Mike Savage and Limpballs.

Posted by: Nariz at September 14, 2006 2:30 PM

PRCS:

Thanks very much for your support! I will post the same general fatwa on another link; it will be OT but fard on all believers.

On a lighter note, it is Thursday, and that means the striped PJs must be worn. Also, you must only brush Cheetos crumbs off them with the left hand.

With the right, you should probably be beating your wife with a toothbrush, so long as you are beating nothing else, which would be a little naij. If the latter, do not shake hands with the Believers after, although it would be acceptable to shake hands with beings who have no souls, such as lawyers or traffic wardens.

Unfortunately, I must also issue a fatwa for your immediate destruction as you mistook the name of the High and Exalted Prophet Geoff with that of the inferior and heretical "Prophet" Jeff. As all know, I am the last Prophet; the disbeliever Goldstein can sod off.

Have a nice last day,

Prophet Geoff

Posted by: Geoff at September 14, 2006 2:33 PM

I'm not a very good Christian, but I find Rosie to be completely vile. I also have no doubt that in person she probably is even more pathetic than shi is in her public persona.

Posted by: MP at September 14, 2006 2:39 PM

Prophet Geoff,

You make my stomach hurt, I'm laughing so hard. Great post.

Now Nariz, what are we going to do with you? Rosie O'Donnell knowledgable about the perception of the Christian Right as a real and immediate threat? Don't make me laugh. Rosie is p.o.'d because the Catholic Church has condemned homosexuality for the past two thousand years and when she realized she couldn't get a date and decided to swing the other way, now the church is the big oppressor. Sorry, everyone has known the church's stance since it's inception. And why the amnesia on the homosexual issue? Its only been about fifteen years since these folks have been accepted into society after how many thousands of years of people living on the planet? If she wants to be with a woman that's between her and God. I don't need to listen to her spew because everyone else is not in line with her thinking. Who gives a flying flip what she thinks?

Now as to how your posts could be mistaken for what comes out of Rosie's mouth, what are you two afraid of, that somebody who just came out of church might tell you that it is unacceptable to sleep with your neighbor's spouse because betrayal is not a family value? Gee whiz, you are scaring the crap out of me! Maybe some surly Christian thug will tell you that it's not cool to cheat people in business, that telling lies hurts people or that divorce annihilates kids, but, hell, if it itches I need to scratch it, right? I see, you want to live your life however you want to and the rest of us HAVE to accept it because that's what YOU want? Is that correct? And if I have a different set of values that don't jive with yours, I'm the one that has the problem because I'm a Christian?

Well sorry Nariz, but you sound just like the Muslims that you supposedly are fighting against. Perhaps you are just another troll that pops up on this site from time to time to cause trouble. Just know this: the more you slam Christians the more you alienate yourself from the people you claim to be in unison with. If we were in a foxhole together I sure wouldn't trust you, oh enlightened, condescending one.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at September 14, 2006 3:48 PM

I strive ("jihad?") to be a radical Christian. I do not want to kill Rosie O'Donnell. Having been brought up (over 50 years ago) by good and holy nuns, I can even resist the temptation to "rejoice at the downfall of another," if and when she has a(nother) downfall.
The applause of the audience indeed shows how dangerous our situation is.
Imagine that American people actually applaud such an idiotic, thoughtless statement.
I believe that among the real causes of this lapse is the fact that, for most Americans, religion simply doesn't matter. It's "all the same." You can believe in the true Presence of Christ in the Blessed Sacrament, or you can read the Quran and then go beat the shit out of your wife, or you can be an atheist. Relativism. Whatever "appeals to you" is fine!
While I pray that any horrific conflict between Dar al Islam and the rest of us can be forestalled, I hope that Rosie's audience will remember their banality. As for Rosie herself, she'll probably be in a XXX-sized burka in the back of a limo somewhere.

Posted by: Sansantiago at September 14, 2006 3:52 PM

Memo to Rosie:

What an ignorant ass you are, my dear. The VIEW should give you the boot!

Since you hadn't a clue I'll tell you straight-off: Christianity OUTLAWS first-degree murder. Christianiaty IS compatible with democracy and is tolerant of most, though, not all cultural traditions and human foibles. Even when Christianity IS intolerant, it preaches forgiveness. Christianity permits individuals to make choices and respects them as individuals.

Now, you believe Islam is the same, do you? Let's have a look-

While the Judeo-Christian bible states in the 10 Commandments "THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT MURDER" the Kuran states "And when the forbidden months have ended, slaughter the non-believers everywhere on earth; besiege them, torture them, capture them, prepare every stratagem of warfare against them; levy the taz upon them upon their conversion to the ways of al-lah."

the above passage incorporates first-degree murder into its command, does it no? This is an integral part is Islam and that is where Islamic terrorism gets its inspiration from. The Muslim is NOT free to say no to the kuran and may be punished if he does. So much for tolerance, individual choices, and democracy.Respect for life is missing too. Does this sound like Christianity to YOU????? REALLY?????

So,where in the New testament scriptures do you see this murderous ideology coming out of the mouth of Jesus? Anywhere?

Where are the cadres of Christ, armed and bloodthirsty, approaching to behead Jews, Americans, or Hindus? Universal Studios? Israel? the Bible Belt? Anywhere?

Rosie, if you remember the Founding Fathers of the United States of America (do you know where that is on the map??) you will remember they drafted a piece of literature called the US Constitution. It is based on Britain's Magna Carta. The Founding Fathers and the drafters of the maagna Carta were by and large CHRISTIANS. People from all over the world flock to nations that are FOUNDED ON CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES. THEY ARE NOT FINDING CHRISTIAN BELIEFS THREATENING. Why? because Christianity is designed NOT to be threatening. It does not carry murder or warfare buried among its doctrines.

How come you don't know this????

Could you imagine the Mullahs of Iran drafting a document similar to the United States' Constitution and putting it into action? If you answered yes, you must be smoking funny stuff, as the Muslim world considers the United States Constitution to be illegitimate and a danger to the world. Islam targeted the United States for destruction in the 1700s and attacked its cargo vessels in the Mediterranean in 1784, 1791, 1792, and 1801. That is because it is largely Christian--a religion that has been targeted for destruction because it upholds a respect for life that Islam is diametrically and essentially opposed to.

Rosie, smarten up! You make Americans look stupid when you say things like that. And people like me get MAD!!!!!!!!

Posted by: pythagoras at September 14, 2006 4:08 PM

Rosie is not opposed to Christians of any flavor, she looks to be against the words from the bible.

Posted by: Islofob IS-1 at September 14, 2006 4:30 PM

Well, she is right and wrong. Radical Christianity is just as threatening as radical Islam. One only has to search on words such as reconstructionism, dominionism to see this. However, the difference is this: in Islam we are talking about a significant minority and Muslim societies are such that saying anything against people who claim to speak in the name of Islam is not being loyal, is letting the side down. Arguing you are not 'x' (where x = 'Muslim', 'American' or whatever) on account of your opinions and behaviour always puts people on the defenisive. This works among Muslims. Radical Christians of the sort I have referred to are an insignificant minority, who are not in a position to use the "you can't be a real 'x' game" (where x = Christian). In terms of practical consequences this is a very real difference.

Posted by: kevin at September 14, 2006 4:37 PM

Isabella, PCRS, verily you have restored the name of my great and slightly subversive cult. All joys and prayers will be yours in Paradise, except for Isabella, who is, unfortunately, a chick, may Allah forgive her obstinacy.

***

Anyway, I had to comment again: write Rosie, use the address posted above, be polite. And write Elizabeth too; she I think would also be sympathetic to the points we're making here.

Essentially it all comes down to this: when pissed off, Christians write letters. That's about it. They write letters. Sometimes they call you up and ask you if you have Prince Albert in the can, responding "Yeah? Well you better go catch it then!...er, I mean...let him out...Yeah, well YOU SUCK! PWNED!" and hang up and then feel guilty. Meh.

Now, sometimes these letters are insulting letters, sometimes they make fun of people's faibles or physical parameters, or sometimes they ridicule aspiring prophets who are just trying to fatwa their way to fame. The latter is clearly the most hurtful kind of letter. *sniff*

But it's rare that a letter decapitates someone, unless that someone tries really, really hard. (And if anyone has a patent or a mechanism for a machine that actually could decapitate someone with a letter, please contact my public relations people, as we are completely out of both patience and the bakesale collection cup for TNT is completely empty, and Saudi's on the phone and they want to know if those funds marked "persecution of the unbelievers" instead went to skydiving and ice cream, like last time. Oh boy.)

"She offends my religion? Well! I shall deliver the wrath of God on thee by writing you a nasty letter! And I'm going to call you naughty names! Oh yes! I may even swear! Ooooh, I'll bet you rue those words now, eh unbeliever?"

And so and so forth. Not precisely the same.

Prophet Geoff

Posted by: Geoff at September 14, 2006 5:06 PM

How'd they do that!?

The bovine blimp's colossal coconut is safely snuggled inside her jumbo jiffy bag, yet the words coming out of her ghastly gob didn't sound muffled or muted in the slightest. Some kind of new fangled sound filtering device?

Posted by: jsla at September 14, 2006 5:08 PM

PG,

I sent a nice polite note to Ms. O'Donnell.

But I'll have to postpone sending a similar message to Elizabeth until tomorrow, as I'm in the middle of drafting a response to Senator Feinstein's latest non-response response to my latest query concerning the reverence our enlisted swine are required to pretend to demonstrate in not handling the noble Qur'an in front of Muslim killers at Gitmo.

And I need to wash my striped jammies this afternoon, too.

Posted by: PRCS at September 14, 2006 6:20 PM

Does anyone know what the Koran says about Homosuxuality?

Can they be killed under Sharia Law?

Posted by: Avatar at September 14, 2006 6:31 PM

Avatar,

Try this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_Islam

Posted by: PRCS at September 14, 2006 6:37 PM

"Rosie is not opposed to Christians of any flavor, she looks to be against the words from the bible."

-posted above

Were you correct, that is, about Rosie's opposition to the bible, would that be wrong of her? I am adamantly 'opposed' to the bible because it is a book of books that are nonsensical, contradictory, inaccurate, obscene, filthy, ridiculous, riddled with inaccuracies, describes preposterous "miracles" that even the "rationalist" Thomas Acquanis determined must have indeed occurred in a time when such miracles, you know, just ‘happened’ (oh lets see, manna from heaven, staves to serpents, parting the red sea, the spontaneous burning bush to name just a few that come to mind). Real miracles indeed. Real deities indeed. The word of God, uh huh, yeah sure. Keep it to yourself and don’t criticize Rosie over her opposition to your holy book.

Posted by: Kafir Nonbeliever at September 14, 2006 6:58 PM

Another example of Rosie's ideological obtuseness and hypocrisy:

A few years ago, when she had her daytime talk show, she berated guest Tom Selleck for his support of Charlton Heston's defense of the 4th amendment (the right to bear arms). She kept berating Tom so much, he became visibly disgusted, but he maintained his mature composure nonetheless.

A few weeks later, she had on her show the black rap artist / comedianne Queen Latifah, and when Queen Latifah started talking about how she carries a gun because, you know, that's just part of the culture of us people "in the hood", Rosie simply smiled, laughed and went with the flow.

Posted by: remote_control at September 14, 2006 7:02 PM

remote,

I believe he also pointed out that one of Ms. O'Donnel's sponsors, K-Mart, sold guns.

Posted by: PRCS at September 14, 2006 8:10 PM

Dearest Prophet Geoff,

Thanks for your concern, about me being a chick and all, but since I'm not dependent on what Allah or any of his butt buddies thinks of what I do or say, I think I'll be fine. Truth dost set one free.

The other night my kids rented "V for Vendetta" which I found very interesting. The heroine gets to a place where the guys who are torturing her can't force her to rat the guy out. They tell her they will kill her, now, if she doesn't give them the information they want and she basically says, go ahead and kill me. And in the process she loses her fear. She loses her fear. I think that is the biggest tool Islamists and their satanic "god" use to force people to do things their way. But we all have a choice. We can say, no, I won't go Islamic, no matter what you do to me, and inspire courage in others and in ourselves.

I know Who is worth fighting and dying for. And I know what the reward is if I am faithful. The hell with getting to sit next to your husband for all eternity, as the Islamic liars purport is the big carrot for any Muslim woman who dies a martyr. That concept would almost make one want to kill oneself, except that it would speed up the process of sitting next to one's old man forever more.

These poor Muslim chicks are damned if they do and damned if they don't. One more great reason to become a Christian.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at September 14, 2006 9:01 PM

I am adamantly 'opposed' to the bible because it is a book of books that are nonsensical, contradictory, inaccurate, obscene, filthy, ridiculous, riddled with inaccuracies.... posted above and spoken like a true ignorant.

Well of course, you know that nonsensical “love thy neighbor as thyself”
or thou shall not steal, lie, covet, murder or commit adultery.

What obscene, filthy, ridiculous, inaccurate garbage that stuff is. What a much better place this would be if we never heard of this disfigured nastiness, just like all those safe outstanding secular societies that came before ours... LOL

Posted by: Bar at September 14, 2006 9:55 PM

Michelle Malkin has T-shirts for sale at Cafepress
http://www.cafepress.com/hotairshop/1342354
I've got mine.
I will not submit.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at September 14, 2006 10:04 PM

Bar,

Good point. Now that we are in the post-Christian phase in the U.S. we can see how secularism has been such a great success. We can feel the love, every day in every way.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at September 14, 2006 11:16 PM

"And I need to wash my striped jammies this afternoon, too."

- PRCS

Well, that might be tricky, considering you have to wash them with your feet. Allah guides those who guide themselves. Don't you have a woman you can beat into doing it, so long as she isn't in menses or just plain lippy?

Sister Isabella,

Please do not take offense at my most holy religion taking offense at your offending gender. We would be highly offended at your offense! After that: hey, it's a crap shoot, basically. After all, did not Jesus say: "slay the offender wherever you find him"? He didn't? Well he mentioned that thing about bringing a sword, didn't he? That was a what? An allegory? It is no wonder you filth - I mean, beloved Christians are so illogical. Your prophet doesn't take it down old school; what's up with that? Peace is for sissies.

Actually I was kind of annoyed by "V for Vendetta". I didn't pay for it - a street vendor was walking by with a copy and I tripped him so that he dropped it, so I basically considered it war booty, admonished him to convert and did a runner - but still, it plays to that ridiculous PC victimhood scene, so that the gay guy - who would be killed in an islamic society - is killed for having a copy of the Quran. Oooh, got us there, Mr Director.

Prophet Geoff

Posted by: Geoff at September 14, 2006 11:33 PM

My beloved Prophet Geoff,

You are so right about that stupid PC thing in "V". Even my kids pointed out that that was so much B.S. I guess I'm so used to having to pick up scraps when it comes to movies that I take what I can get. Yes, we did discuss the Koran issue and what a bunch of hogwash it was. I just thought that the scene where she doesn't give in was really important. In this case I will take what I can get and leave the rest.

The other thing that was ridiculous, in my obstinant opinion, was that England was still standing after the U.S. had been taken out. Please.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at September 15, 2006 5:53 AM

When "Christianity" promotes violence it contradicts itself drastically. When Islam does the same it does not contradict itself.Rosie O'Donell is not acquainted with either. Serious critics of Islam always do their homework . She might feel that way, but there is no logical way to to prove that. Unless if we are talking about some quasi-christian KKK nut.
And if a Christian just opposes certain issues on gay agenda he is not necessarily a homophobe. That expression is as missused as "fascist".

For instance to call the Pope "a homophobe" is as grotesque as equating Bush with Hitler. Regardless of what one thinks about Mr Bush, the comparison is not serious.

Posted by: deusvult at September 15, 2006 10:26 AM

"Real deities indeed. The word of God, uh huh, yeah sure. Keep it to yourself and don’t criticize Rosie over her opposition to your holy book." posted by Kafir Nonbeliever ..

Kafir Nonbeliever ;
I just pointed out what was true, and did NOT attack her in any way. You, however did attack, and proceeded to call everything about "my" "holy book" a lie, without any proof whatsoever.

For somthing that is such a "lie" as you state, it should be easy to show the world where millions apon more millions got it wrong, to believe this. But this is not the place, as I always try to stay with the topic.

I hold nothing against her.

Posted by: Islofob IS-1 at September 15, 2006 2:11 PM

Kevin: Even "radical" Christians are STILL bound by the 10 Commandments among them is "THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT MURDER." Those who violate this have left Christian doctrine and the Church and the law could take punitive measured against them. WHy would you find Christians threatening--their belief system is almost entirely benign.

In contrast:

Islam's "Glorious Kuran states": "slay the idolaters everywhere they are found, besiege them, capture them, torture them, prepare every stratagem of warfare against them..." Muslims are bound by this commandment to obey it.

SO, which religious imperative do YOU find more threatening? I rest my case. One ideology kills, one doesn't.

And, BTW, don't hold your breath waiting for some Muslims to draft and enact a Constitution like that of the United States of America's or like the Magna Carta--our ideals of human rights, liberty and freedom are deemed illegitimate by Islam and marked for eradication (they'd attacked American ships in the Mediterranean in the 18th century at least 3 times as a result of this judgment). Are you feeling reassured about Islam yet?

Posted by: pythagoras at September 15, 2006 2:53 PM

Pythagoras,

OT: I don't know if you are truly familiar with the Magna Carta, but I suspect you think it something it is not. It is not at all impressive. To elevate it by placing it in the same sentence (and league) as our own constitution is a mistake I wish I would see far less often.

Posted by: Kafir Nonbeliever at September 15, 2006 7:11 PM

Dumbass dyke. While a Christian might tell old Rosie she's going to burn in hell for her lifestyle choice, a muslim will do his best to send her here. Or is she ignorant of the fact that homosexuality is punishable by death under sharia law in islamic countries?

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at September 16, 2006 12:15 AM

Geoff -

Thank you for the link. Here's the letter I sent:

Regarding your comment that, '...radical Christianity is just as threatening as radical Islam in a country like America', I would like to see some examples of how they compare.

I see radical Islam resulting in reporters being kidnapped and forced to 'convert' at gunpoint. I see radical Islam resulting in the mass murder of almost 3,000 people on Sept. 11, 2001. I see radical Islam resulting in the bullying and death threats to those who dared publish the Mohammed cartoons. I see radical Islam resulting in the savage murder of Theo Van Gogh, because of a movie he made. I see radical Islam resulting in the bombings in London and in Spain. And as a final irony, I see radical Islam resulting in death threats to the Pope because he dared correlate Islam and violence.

Those are a few of the examples I can name. In regards to radical Christianity, where are yours?

Posted by: Mo at September 17, 2006 12:26 AM

Certainly, there are fundamentalist Christians who would not want Rosie O'Donnell to be able to marry or to adopt children.

There are many Muslims would want to kill her for her open homosexuality. That is, of course, for those who didn't already want to kill for for being an opinionated woman, or maybe just for being American.

Posted by: gravenimage at September 17, 2006 3:51 AM

Ok... let's see...
"Anyway, back to Rosie. You know something else? Neither Jerry Falwell nor Pat Robertson have beheaded anyone this entire week. Nor have they threatened to do so."

Fred Phelps and his church members
The murderers of Matthew Shepherd
Randall Terry and Operation Rescue
George W. Bush
Crusaders 11th-13th Century
Puritan Ministers in 17th Century USA
Queen Mary I of England
The Conquistadores....
the list goes on and on and on....
heck, A radical zealotous Jew killed Yitzak Rabin in 1995.

.... um..... I know many Muslims...and funny thing is, all of the Muslims that I know personally are people of deep faith and deep conviction--and they would NEVER dream of murdering someone either. When Rosie made her statement you missed an important statement in that RADICAL. And when RADICAL anyone gets control of a weapon the world best look out.... ZEALOTS kill (Be they Muslim, Christian, Jew,Hindu, or Satanist). The VAST majority of TRUE devout Muslims--just as with the vast majority of TRUE devout Christians-- are neither violent nor do they approve of violence. Rosie O'Donell's point is about the dangers of ALL radicals. This is something we need to remember.

Posted by: chipmunk220 at September 17, 2006 10:26 PM

Ok... let's see...
"Anyway, back to Rosie. You know something else? Neither Jerry Falwell nor Pat Robertson have beheaded anyone this entire week. Nor have they threatened to do so."

Fred Phelps and his church members
The murderers of Matthew Shepherd
Randall Terry and Operation Rescue
George W. Bush
Crusaders 11th-13th Century
Puritan Ministers in 17th Century USA
Queen Mary I of England
The Conquistadores....
the list goes on and on and on....
heck, A radical zealotous Jew killed Yitzak Rabin in 1995.

.... um..... I know many Muslims...and funny thing is, all of the Muslims that I know personally are people of deep faith and deep conviction--and they would NEVER dream of murdering someone either. When Rosie made her statement you missed an important statement in that RADICAL. And when RADICAL anyone gets control of a weapon the world best look out.... ZEALOTS kill (Be they Muslim, Christian, Jew,Hindu, or Satanist). The VAST majority of TRUE devout Muslims--just as with the vast majority of TRUE devout Christians-- are neither violent nor do they approve of violence. Rosie O'Donell's point is about the dangers of ALL radicals. This is something we need to remember.

Posted by: chipmunk220 at September 17, 2006 10:29 PM

A comment to Freewoman above who wrote:

"I also have never been afraid to board a plane with a bunch of Christians, whereas I WOULDN'T board a plane with a load of muslims."

Your comment shows your absolute IGNORANCE of Islam. Because if you understood Islam, you would know that if you boarded a Plane full of devout Muslims, you would be INFINITELY safer than if you boarded a plane with all Christians and one radical Muslim suicide bomber. Why? The Qur'an forbids the taking of the life of an Innocent Believer. It is a grave sin.

Next time you fly...choose the flight with the Muslims on it.

Oh and another hint: You won't be able to tell who is a Muslim and who is a Christian by outward appearance alone.... the stereotypical wild eyed turban-wearing guy in a robe.... also a stereotype that is the product of western Ignorance.

Posted by: chipmunk220 at September 17, 2006 10:38 PM