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September 20, 2006

Carey backs Pope and issues warning on 'violent' Islam

Carey continues to veer from anti-dhimmitude to dhimmitude and back again. "Carey backs Pope and issues warning on 'violent' Islam," from the TimesOnline, with thanks to all who sent this in:

THE former Archbishop of Canterbury Lord Carey of Clifton has issued his own challenge to “violent” Islam in a lecture in which he defends the Pope’s “extraordinarily effective and lucid” speech.

Lord Carey said that Muslims must address “with great urgency” their religion’s association with violence. He made it clear that he believed the “clash of civilisations” endangering the world was not between Islamist extremists and the West, but with Islam as a whole.

“We are living in dangerous and potentially cataclysmic times,” he said. “There will be no significant material and economic progress [in Muslim communities] until the Muslim mind is allowed to challenge the status quo of Muslim conventions and even their most cherished shibboleths.”...

Lord Carey, who as Archbishop of Canterbury became a pioneer in Christian-Muslim dialogue, himself quoted a contemporary political scientist, Samuel Huntington, who has said the world is witnessing a “clash of civilisations”.

Arguing that Huntington’s thesis has some “validity”, Lord Carey quoted him as saying: “Islam’s borders are bloody and so are its innards. The fundamental problem for the West is not Islamic fundamentalism. It is Islam, a different civilisation whose people are convinced of the superiority of their culture and are obsessed with the inferiority of their power.”

Lord Carey went on to argue that a “deep-seated Westophobia” has developed in recent years in the Muslim world....

Lord Carey, who has continued to work in interfaith collaboration since his retirement in 2002, said that the relationship between Islamic countries and the West was “the most dangerous, most important and potentially cataclysmic issue of our day.” He described the two civilisations as “polarised and uncomprehending” and said that the Danish cartoons controversy last March showed “two world views colliding in public space with no common point of reference”.

He said the West had been largely responsible for “redrawing the map of the Middle East” and it was the “moral relativism of the West” that has outraged Muslim society. Most Muslims believe firmly that the invasion of Iraq is 2004 was solely about oil, he said.

He went on to defend the Pope’s fundamental thesis, that reason and religious faith can be compatible. “The actual essay is an extraordinarily effective and lucid thesis exploring the weakness of secularism and the way that faith and reason go hand in hand,” he said.

He said he agreed with his Muslim friends who claimed that true Islam is not a violent religion, but he wanted to know why Islam today had become associated with violence. “The Muslim world must address this matter with great urgency,” he said.

Where, oh where, can we find that true Islam?

Posted by Robert at September 20, 2006 11:51 AM
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I was pleased indeed to read the precis of his lecture this morning. I hope to find a fuller transcript on the Newbold College website in the next few days.

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2006 12:26 PM
“Islam’s borders are bloody and so are its innards. The fundamental problem for the West is not Islamic fundamentalism. It is Islam, a different civilisation whose people are convinced of the superiority of their culture and are obsessed with the inferiority of their power.” Lord Carey went on to argue that a “deep-seated Westophobia” has developed in recent years in the Muslim world....

This is quite a strong speech. I'm not used to seeing this from any public or church officials (or former officials) re Islam.

Posted by: Archimedes [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2006 2:19 PM

Roll up. Roll up. Roll up. Get yer dose of truth.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2006 2:31 PM

Westophobia = Hesperaphobia

Posted by: St. David, King of Georgia [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 20, 2006 11:43 PM

Does Lord Carey really mean what he is saying? Has the light finally been put on for him?

Posted by: Maggie4Life [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 21, 2006 12:04 AM

God Bless Carey.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 21, 2006 6:05 AM

"Westophobia". Has a nice ring to it. Let's start up a website and call it Westophobia Watch, or is that what LGF + JW/DW.org are already doing?

Posted by: waterdragon52 [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 21, 2006 9:53 AM

I have given up trying to follow the view of the Church of England, first they want to abolish the Cross of St George in case it offends Muslims and then a former Archbishop of Canterbury says this.

If I was religious I would convert to Catholicism from CofE I think.

Posted by: IceDragon [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 21, 2006 5:46 PM

How devastating. I was expecting any Anglican in leadership to say something like: 'Oh well, all faiths have their problems, it's so difficult to work out what is right and wrong in these muddled times. Must be off to hold the multifaith coffee morning at the cathedral. Bye'

I am Anglican myself, but have to admit that I am really enjoying the balls that Catholicism is showing lately. I wish more Anglican Christians would dare to be a bit politically incorrect for once, and find a bit of the fire of Latimer and Ridley (not literally).

Posted by: Koranophobe [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 21, 2006 10:10 PM

Do you remember how it felt when President Reagan gave his Evil Empire Speech?

Lord Carey reminded me of that day ;-)

Posted by: Dan Kauffman [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 22, 2006 5:52 AM

Does anyone know where the complete text of his speech may be found?

Posted by: St. David, King of Georgia [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 22, 2006 6:26 PM

A man with Back Bone should be applauded and supported as it is in such a declineing supply.

Good for Him

ElectricAmish

Posted by: ElectricAmish [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 24, 2006 11:54 PM

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