Islamic Republic of Britain, indeed. There's no end to the amount of concessions and changes they're willing to make.

I bet anyone who vocally opposes this will start receiving death threats for insulting Islam.

Posted by: Jesus Christ Supercop at September 22, 2006 11:16 AM

"Raza Ul Haq, Imam at the Madni Masjid Mosque, in Gladstone Street, Forest Fields, said: "It is part of our religion for dead bodies to face Mecca. It is very important."

It is part of the Christian religion for dead bodies to face East. It is very important!

Perhaps if Christians simply refuse to bury their dead until this submission to Sharia is repealed, the Cemeteries Consultative Committee might be forced to reconsider. However, considering the state of culture in the UK, doing that might become a morbid tourist attraction: "Visit Bulwell and see the rotting Christians"

Posted by: Provoslavni at September 22, 2006 11:39 AM

If muslims are demanding the which way to face issue, they should go find some property, buy it, lease it, stick the muslims whichever way they want. Cemeteries have their layout and muslims shouldn't be allowed to go in and screw it up.

Posted by: freewoman at September 22, 2006 11:42 AM

A lack of conviction or beliefs will push you to the sidelines. If you stand for nothing you can't stand against anything.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at September 22, 2006 11:46 AM

Even in death , no escape the condo mentallity,

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at September 22, 2006 11:49 AM

Judicial Review in The High Court of Justice should solve that problem and a Writ of Mandamus against the Council.

Traditionally cemeteries were laid out with Anglicans on the left since the whole graveyard was consecrated...............and others on the right since each grave was consecrated by the faith of those interred there.

Victorian Cemeteries had two Mortuary Chapels - one Anglican and the other Non-Anglican.

I suppose they have changed all that now.

I can tell you the game being played in Nottingham. Since a large number of funerals in Britain are cremations but Muslims do not believe in that. They are trying to push Christians towards cremation to save land and reserve graves for Muslims.

They are so predictable

Posted by: Voyager at September 22, 2006 11:51 AM

Personally, I would be happy to buy a used pig farm and let the jihad lovers use it as a cemetery.

Posted by: lonewolf at September 22, 2006 11:57 AM

Even in death, they want to humilate the Christians.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at September 22, 2006 12:22 PM

Get - Your - Own - Graveyards.

Posted by: Daisytoo at September 22, 2006 12:23 PM

I guess this just Pre-Need. Once the Moslems are their masters, this won't be an issue.

Posted by: Seymour Paine at September 22, 2006 12:38 PM

They are already taking too much space in the infidel lands while living.
They should take their dead to mecca and face them whichever way they must.

Posted by: freetoBEfree at September 22, 2006 12:39 PM

All you living people (muslims included) should know that dead people dont care which way they face when buried. Dead people dont care about a whole lot actually. Yes, there are some in the US that manage to vote from the grave, so there are some politically aware dead people, but most of them just lay around, dont say much, dont do much. There are some walking dead in the US, they are called liberals. They refuse to lay down, and talk a lot, but thats ok, they dont eat much. You dont need to face them in any particular direction...the most frequently asked question from dead liberals is 'Which way is up'?
So facing Mecca means more to living muslims than to dead ones. Has anyone ever heard a dead muslim complaining about which direction he faces? I thought not. This is a whole lot to do about nothing. Leave those dead people alone. If they want to be moved or faced in another direction, they will say so....

Posted by: duh_swami at September 22, 2006 12:53 PM

Actually, I see no problem in filling up cemetaries with more Muslims. We'll give them graves facing any direction they want and then help speed them into it. Sounds like a solution after all!

Posted by: Provoslavni at September 22, 2006 12:56 PM

Fuck ascetics. Alternatively, cremate the Muslim dead and scatter their remains over the North Sea.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at September 22, 2006 1:04 PM

Freewoman.. just make sure they pay for the one way trip.. NO JIZYAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: lonewolf at September 22, 2006 1:33 PM

At least the dead can't suffer under Islam since they're departed from this world. The rest of us won't be so lucky in the event Islam gets any more powerful in our homelands.

Posted by: pythagoras at September 22, 2006 2:03 PM

At least the dead can't suffer under Islam since they're departed from this world

That's when the Mormons baptise them............

Posted by: Voyager at September 22, 2006 2:23 PM

Voyager

Victorian Cemeteries had two Mortuary Chapels - one Anglican and the other Non-Anglican.

I suppose they have changed all that now.

Now on this I can speak from experience and you are about right. Many would have a third Chapel for Catholics but from about the 1970's, in most councils all three were allowed to rot.

Then they would repair one for all christians to use and sell off the other two for the stone - or give away.

Posted by: Fred at September 22, 2006 2:29 PM

Forgot to say most Muslims want their bodies to be sent back to Pakistan. That reminds me of two stories the first of which is hearsay,

1. Staff at Manchester Airport were concerned that an old Asian lady in a wheelchair did not look well. She was not - she was dead and had been for a day or two. They were taking her back as a passenger because it was a lot cheaper than sending her as freight.

2. This can be checked out somewhere because it may be still going on. A Muslim from (Oldham?) is taking the government to Court under the Human Rights Act for refusing to pay the £2,000 cost of sending a relatives body back to Pakintan for burial.

Lets face it if the guy in the second case wins we should be grateful to any who want to be buried here whatever way they face.

Posted by: Fred at September 22, 2006 2:42 PM

Cimetiere malin

It's called a fine and private place,
And none I think should there replace
The customs that are country-wide
By twisting tombstones to one side
In meccatropical repose,
To placate bearded men in robes
Or jiljabbed women, with niqabbed face,
Who seem to think they rule the place.

Posted by: Hugh at September 22, 2006 3:14 PM

What I find interesting about all this is that Wahhabist Islam doesn't believe in cemetaries! Correct me if I am wrong, but don't they just bury their dead out in the desert with no memorial or headstone? So why all the muslim stink (no pun intended) about the direction that the dead are buried? What's gonna happen when Sharia law takes over in Eurabia? Will all the cemetaries just get bulldozed?

Duh Swami, it DOES matter what direction that I will be facing when I am buried. I don't want my family reminded that those dirty moslems got away with dictating how I was to be buried, or that they got away with stomping on my family's religious institutions. I am really starting to hate islam, but I think not as much as I am starting to hate the western liberal idiots that willingly let this sort of thing happen.

Voyager, darn funny comment about the Mormons! Remember though that the spirits have to be asked if they want to be vicariously babtized...at least the LDS give spirits a choice!

Posted by: never_submit at September 22, 2006 3:26 PM

So what next? Are we to see Jewish doctors banned from working in hospitals near communities with large muslim populations? Just in case... Maybe stop the trains selling bacon/lettuce/tomato sandiches, just in case... we must all remember, our number one priority in all aspects of our lives is not to offend muslims.

Posted by: Obelisk1 at September 22, 2006 3:33 PM

It's the local politicians and penpushers who made this decision. While we all rightly complain about the way they give in to the muslims the only way to stop it once and for all is to replace them by standing in elections as an independant or by joining a whichever political party can get you elected and once elected standing up to all this crap. Talking alone will change nothing at all.

Posted by: Britishbulldog at September 22, 2006 4:05 PM

"If you stand for nothing you can't stand against anything."

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses

That's an idea, bury them all standing up facing whichever way - everyone's happy and the cemetary could fit in a lot more graves.

Posted by: Mike_W at September 22, 2006 4:36 PM

Good grief! That is messed up! I don't know what the regs are in the UK, but in the U.S. that would be in complete violation of the First Amendment.

The people in charge should change that now!

Posted by: Monkeywho at September 22, 2006 4:47 PM

And of course we mustn't risk offending You Know Who.

Lord Voldemort?

Posted by: JadeDragoness at September 22, 2006 5:39 PM

The next time you drive through a big city, note how many Christian churches and cemetaries are lined up West-East.

Almost all of the older churches and cemetaries from older denominations will be.

The only exceptions will be modern trendy anti-tradition churches or churches that were built with some special consideration (such as terrain).

I have heard that in some mosques that were formerly churches, people are watched to see if anyone is praying Eastward—because they will be Christians trying to pray in what was their church.

Posted by: St. David, King of Georgia at September 22, 2006 5:50 PM

Jewish Doctors. I witnessed an interesting episode during my traning. An Arab Resident(with a hatred of all things Jewish-he tolerated me)from Syria spent a month with me with a world-renowned oncologist who was obviously Jewish. The Arab got quite misty eyed during his last day on rotation, calling this oncologist, "My Moses." I don't think that the oncologist appreciated this barb, but the resident was truly emotional.

Perhaps he was stunned to see a Jew doing good, but I think it cut deeper. While hating Jews, a Muslim could also attribute 'powerful superhuman' positive attributes to his foe. Whatever the case, it was weird.

Posted by: biorabbi at September 22, 2006 6:51 PM

GREAT - EXCELLENT !

*Excuse my excitement*

Pope Benedict should be labelled as the best statitician of the 21st century.

He has made a remark embedded and not of his own words but sufficient enough to illicit a response that removes the cloak of lies about Islam being a peaceful religeon. What a Genius

In the UK i am watching the gradual lifting of Dhimmitude from the MSM. It's getting more refreshing every day. Comments that would have been moderated out of the BBC, Guardian etc have been left in. Commentators from within the MSM are getting more bold in thier critical analysis. Articles that point to the problem being Islam, Mo etc are actually being published. (ok within these are some lines of PC dogma, but the central message is getting louder). I listen to BBC 3 Counties Radio and over the last 6 months the presenters have been getting bolder and bolder over the airwaves. It's been like listening to Jihad Watch bloggers ON THE RADIO. Amazing!

I called in myself and explained Dhimmi, Jihad, jizya, Tiqya etc and the presenter just let me go on and on and on... Then he starts asking me for advice on how to tackle the threat we all face.. (WOW).. live on BBC Radio.

GUYS - dont feel down - get the message out - inform your countrymen.

Posted by: Churchill1939 at September 22, 2006 7:07 PM

never_submit,
I imagine that when Eurabia comes, the Muslims will do the same thing that the Jordanians did to the Jewish Cemetary on the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem when they captured the "West Bank" in 1948. Break apart the tombstones and use them as building material

From

http://christianactionforisrael.org/capital.html

"Three-quarters of the graves on the Mount of Olives were defaced or otherwise profaned; tombstones were used in the construction of bunkers and in footpaths leading to latrines"

When I visited Israel, our tour guide told use something similar.

Posted by: non-redneck at September 22, 2006 7:41 PM

All faiths should have their beliefs respected.

No. Islam absolutely must be disrespected. The requirement to do this is urgent and a matter of survival. Plus, it'd be great fun, given the awesome body of material they've given us to work with.

Better to rumble with 'em now instead of later when they're bred up their population count and have gotten that much more deeply offended.

610 * 623 * 732* 1066* 1215 * 1453 * 1492 * 1683 * 1928 * 1938 * 1948 * 1996 * 2001

That's why the Moslems are prevailing: they are a people with direction. Focus. An intense sense of purpose. Motivated. Full of bullcrap and unashamed of the wretched smell they emit.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at September 22, 2006 7:41 PM

The butts of the deceased should be facing Mecca.

Posted by: DCWatson at September 22, 2006 10:05 PM

"If for the Christians, this is part of their religion that they should be facing towards somewhere else, then we are 200% in support of them. It is our job to help and support them. If that is their requirement, then we will be supporting the Christians."

Is it just me to whom this muslim comes across as if HE is the one making a concession.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at September 22, 2006 10:46 PM

When you think of the space that the muslims occupy in Britain standing up, it is horrifying to contemplate the space they will own laying down. And that particular piece of real estate will be theirs forever.

Forget which way the Christians lay. The muslims must be deported, for their deaths alone, never mind their lives, will cause the inevitable and complete occupation of British soil. Dare I say that for each muslim that dies, is no cause for celebration. That is henceforth another 50 square feet of previously sovereign soil now owned by the ummah.

Posted by: August22 at September 22, 2006 10:53 PM

Muslims think that they worship God, but their prayers are in fact directed to a black stone in Mecca.
This is blatant idolatry!
Christians should respond.

Posted by: rocky at September 23, 2006 12:54 AM

I am compelled to write even though I am trying to rest after a cycle accident.

This whole affair is nauseating, surely civil unrest is close.

I think it is about time the nationalist & religious soldiers on the British Isles who found it so easy to target pub dwellers and shopping centers in the 70's & 80's started defending their national & spirutual heritage and fight the real enemy, Muslims and Islam.

I wont hold my breath though...

Posted by: km at September 23, 2006 1:52 AM

This is bullshit.

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at September 23, 2006 5:26 AM

Just a thought. Is it worth dying for, fighting not to be buried towards Mekka? I would say so.

The dead may not care. But the living sure as hell do!

Posted by: von Schlichtningen at September 23, 2006 6:31 AM

I tend to agree B_1069, council services in Britain are administered by different committees and cemeteries usually come under the committee that also deals with parks, swimming pools etc.

It is well known that the committees running these services are a dumping ground for Neanderthals who cannot be trusted with serious things. They have less than the average 12 brain cells required for councillors dealing with things like education and housing. The paid professionals in these departments are not much better being mostly gardeners who still have mud on their boots.

Yes they are a bunch of idiots on Nottingham council, but you cannot blame the Muslims for this one.

Posted by: Fred at September 23, 2006 7:26 AM

They do tend to run Cemeteries & Crematoria under the Leisure Committee, some do it under Refuse.......it should be under Education as part of the family history/heritage section - then again Libraries should be under Education not Leisure.

but in Nottingham it is:

Cemeteries Consultative Committee

For several years the City Council’s Bereavement Services team have held formal consultative meetings to discuss a range of issues affecting burials, cremations, memorials and a range of associated topics. Membership of the Consultative Group includes Elected Members of Nottingham City Council, representatives of Funeral Directors, religious representatives, Hospitals and members of the Bereavement Services team.

http://www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/cd_bs_doc_consult_cttee04.doc

What should be prohibited - and is by law - is the Muslim request to bury un-coffined............that is a breach of health and hygiene in a country somewhat wetter than ones Muslims usually live in

Posted by: Voyager at September 23, 2006 7:56 AM

How about if they faced Mecca on Fridays, Wednesdays and Mondays, and East on Sundays, Tuesdays, Thursdays and alternating Saturdays?

Why, they could all be re-fitted with belt-drive turntables, powered from deep below by the very treadmills of baphomet and termagant's own tophet.

It'd be sacrilege not to.

Posted by: Domestos at September 23, 2006 8:13 AM

"...the council wanted to give a tidy, linear appearance..."

Sort of like the tidy, linear appearance of the neighbourhoods between Slough and Paddington station?
/sarcasm

Posted by: libbysmom at September 23, 2006 9:27 AM

Never submit...You can be buried facing any direction you wish...you have my permission. I was making the point that except for dead liberals who cant lay down, which direction you face is only a concern to the living. Unless you want to convince me that dead people think about things and make decisions...Only dead liberals do that, except for the thinking part.
Dead liberals dont think, but they do make decisions.
But the average dead person does not think about much or make decisions. That's why you can stand them up and they wont complain. My main point being that which direction you wish to face is a concern only while you are alive...once you are dead, you wont care...unless your a dead liberal and want to vote.
You dont sound like a liberal so this is not personal to you...just information...have a good day...

Posted by: duh_swami at September 23, 2006 12:49 PM

Back in 1973 there was a science fiction movie called Soylent Green starring Charlton Heston, Edward G. Robinson, Joseph Cotten and Chuck Connors. The plot of the movie was that in an overpopulated world they were making the basic food source, crackers call Solyent, out of human corpses. When Heston's character discovered this his last line is "Soylent Green is people!"

Perhaps we can take Muslim bodies and make dog food out of them. "Alpo is Muslims!"

Posted by: Provoslavni at September 23, 2006 1:34 PM

Provoslavni: I'm not sure I would want to feed Muslims to my dog. She's very decent and the thought she would be incorporating Muslim flesh into her own is abhorrent. HOWEVER, balance that with picking up Muslim remains after her........might be worth it. Iambs, now with Shar'ia

Posted by: Seymour Paine at September 23, 2006 2:21 PM

Thank you for your Poem Hugh, it made me laugh, but better still it made me go back and read Andrew Marvell poem ( TO A COY MISTRESS) from which you have obviously pinched and altered two lines from the poem for you first two lines. I had not read Marvell in years, thank you Hugh, you have made my day.

Posted by: Holger Dansker at September 23, 2006 3:25 PM

There is a place in Bulwell that is forever Mecca.
One day I'll put a car park there and then it will be better.

Posted by: IceDragon at September 23, 2006 3:29 PM

Should have never let them in to begin with.

Posted by: Antiimmigration at September 23, 2006 3:43 PM

This entire case is utterly absurd. What in the hell is going on in England? Just more multicultural insanity, will it ever end!

Posted by: No More Spin at September 23, 2006 4:01 PM

I remember Jesus stated somthing along the line of "Let the dead bury the dead". So, if islam is demanding this, ...

Posted by: Islofob IS-1 at September 23, 2006 4:07 PM

Icy Dragon I loved your poem, well at least the first two line. I have taken the liberty of finishing it. I hope you don't mind.

There is a place in Bulwell that is forever Mecca.
One day I'll put a car park there and then it will be better.
I do not think how this helps
To concrete over all these welps
just bomb the place it is much Better

Posted by: Holger Dansker at September 23, 2006 4:23 PM

Hey, I'm all for Muslims facing the same way. Provided that they are facing the same way while they march in lockstep back to the third world cesspools from whence they came.

Posted by: Lepanto at September 23, 2006 4:29 PM

"There is a place in Bulwell that is forever Mecca.
One day I'll put a car park there and then it will be better.
I do not think how this helps
To concrete over all these welps
just bomb the place it is much Better"

Holger, I like it!

Posted by: IceDragon at September 23, 2006 4:32 PM

In the old days, certain corpses were buried face down, corpses deemed bound for Hell. There's an idea for the High Wood Cemetery in Bulwell -- though it will be a cold day in Hell before the testicles of our dominant PC dhimmis descend from their inguinal hiding place into battle again.

Posted by: remote_control at September 23, 2006 5:14 PM

I think it should maybe become law for bodies not to be buried but cremated, that may stop them, and to ban the transport of human remains to Pakistan and Bangladesh. They don't like their bodies being cremated. And/or alternatively, bodies have to be held for a week in the morgue just in case.

They buried uncle Abdul deep beneath the soil.
They dug him up again on Wednesday, they did toil.
They ground him into paste, a cold grey slurry.
Sold it to the takeaway and they put it him the curry!

Posted by: IceDragon at September 23, 2006 6:47 PM

IceDragon

Not funny

You will probably not have heard of a 15 year old English girl who went missing in Blackpool a couple of years ago. Three Asians who ran a kebab house were convicted of her murder this year although her body has never been found.

The Press said they thought it had been put in -guess what......?

Posted by: Fred at September 23, 2006 7:16 PM

Fred I have heard of this particular case.

I cant even look at kebab shops now.

In fact if you want my 2c, we should just nuke all kebab shops from orbit.

It's the only way to be sure.

Posted by: km at September 24, 2006 6:26 AM

Traditionally, Christians are not cremated, but buried intact facing East (cf. post by: IceDragon at September 23, 2006 06:47 PM).

During the Roman persecutions of the first few centuries after Christ's Incarnation (Anno Domini 33-325), persecutors would sometimes burn Christians' bodies and throw the ashes into the sea or a river thinking that this spreading about of the body would dash the Christians' hope of being resurrected on the last day.

While burial of the whole body facing East is the norm, Christians don't think God will be confused or limited by cremations, burials at sea, dismemberments, or any other exception to the rule. If God can do all that is worth doing, and knows all that is worth knowing, this is a simple task for Him.

Are there no other cemetaries in Bulwell? Are Christians in Bulwell required to be buried in the High Wood Cemetary? Let the Cemeteries Consultative Committee give the cemetary to the Muslims they are so worried about.

The real issue is likely that it will take a little longer to trim the grass if the memorial stones are not all in neat rows (=cost more money).

Posted by: St. David, King of Georgia at September 24, 2006 8:34 AM

You'd think Christians would have hit on the idea of burying people vertically upright -- which would make them more prepared wake up to the bugle call of the Resurrection -- and it would save on cemetery space.

Posted by: remote_control at September 24, 2006 5:17 PM

Fred and KM, the kebabs sold by most Kebab shops are scragg ends and rotten off cuts which are boiled up and reconstituted. They are not fit to feed to dogs, sometimes the "meat" is infested woth maggots and fecal material from the offal, it is basically what is left on the abboior floor when the best cuts and even the not very best cuts have been had.

And also did you know that not long ago, we used to import bones from Pakistan.

Read this and feel queasy.

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/ws/s526.pdf#search=%22human%20bones%20pakistan%20gelatin%20cjd%22

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I noticed some years ago when investigating the production of gelatin a shipload of bones from Pakistan for processing. I asked if they might contain human bones. This was accepted as a possibility. I enquired similarly a year or two later of an executive in a supermarket whom I'd discovered had once worked in a British gelatin factory. He too entertained the possibility of human bones in the consignments.
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Posted by: IceDragon at September 24, 2006 5:34 PM

I'm from Hell & want to face it accordingly.

Posted by: InfidelProud at September 24, 2006 5:55 PM

remote_control

Practical problems with that.

Bodies were buried 6' (1.80M) deep because that was the minimum depth to prevent animals smelling them and digging them up. I think you will agree that would be unpleasant for all concerned, apart from the animals of course.

So burying upright would theoretically require 3.6M deep hole for a 1.8M tall person. This would need to be up to 2M square as the earth would have to be moved by a least two intermediate platforms known as "lifts". Altogether you are looking at 14.4 cubic metres excavation for a vertical grave as compared to 2.7 CM for a traditional one. I suppose Christians just lacked the faith in expecting their dead to get up by themselves on judgement day.

I also guess you do not know a lot about digging holes.

Except with some of your posts.

Posted by: Fred at September 24, 2006 6:39 PM

I guess I have more faith in Western engineering ingenuity than you do, Fred.

Posted by: remote_control at September 24, 2006 11:15 PM

Yes, you could use a 600mm diameter lorry mounted power bore. But they have only been available for 30 years and best not go into the subject of bores.

Posted by: Fred at September 25, 2006 2:26 AM

This story is not true

Posted by: mww at September 25, 2006 5:36 AM

The story may be being denied now but my feeling is that it was almost definitely true until it broke into a row in the media. Now those responsible for the alignment of the graves will try to backtrack and then how do you prove it was true? There's a pro-Muslim/anti US-anti Israel clergyman who has been energetically campaigning for some years for a Muslim cemetary in southern Hampshire (England) and I read a few months ago that he's got Hampshire County Council to agree to set up a Muslim cemetary at Winchester. The Muslim population of Winchester cannot be very big, I would have thought Portsmouth and Southampton had much larger ones, but these cities are both 'unitary authorities' and don't come under the same jurisdiction of Hampshire County Council on cemetary matters that Winchester does. Why should the council tax payers of Hampshire pay for a Muslim cemetary when most of Hampshire's Muslims live in Portsmouth and Southampton whose inhabitants will not be paying - but these cities will be providing most of the bodies? However, I seem to recall that at least one of the 7/7 terrorists who died in London has been given a 'martyr's' grave in his family's native village in Pakistan. Most, if not virtually all, Muslims of Pakistani origin living in Britain even down four generations seem to have far closer links to their places of family abode in Pakistan than they do to the localities in which they are sojourning here.
Whether the 'cemetary' story turns out to be true or not it says a lot about the Muslim 'take-over' of Britain that I believe it to be true and wholly feasible but wouldn't necessarily have felt this to be so just a few years ago.

Posted by: moris2 at September 25, 2006 10:42 AM