Leave it to the ayatollahs to finally reveal the truth behind Tom and Jerry. I always thought they were Zionist agents from the get-go so now I can sleep well knowing that the truth's out at last.

Makes the idea of these crackpots having nukes ever more frightening.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at September 28, 2006 10:16 AM

Indeed. We possess the heart of Davy Jones and intend to make full use of it when the opportunity comes.

/quoting the protocols my elders taught me

Posted by: ZionistYoungster at September 28, 2006 10:17 AM

It is in a small way a good sign that the Ayatollahs actually believe this stupidity. A system founded on lies is weak, and can only be sustained by intimidation. Is this not the most clear picture of Islam?

Anyway, better they spend their time propigating absurdities. There are a lot of thinking people in the Islamic world, and this sort of thing drives them away from the religion and into apostasy, albeit a personal apostasy about which they cannot speak openly. The dumber the Islamic religious authorities get, the weaker they are, and the more fragile their hold on power is. It may take a long time, but the Mullahs of Iran are doomed to fall. Sadly, their nuclearization complicates matters terribly.

Posted by: Quijybo at September 28, 2006 10:30 AM

It just dawned on me- this Iranian guy says "watch Schindler's List". How is that possible in Iran? One would think you'd get at least 50 lashes for watching such a movie in that happy Islamaniac Republic.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at September 28, 2006 10:30 AM

A related article claimed that King Kong was specifically made to insult Islam. Apes are considered unclean in Islam and the portrayal of a giant ape in such a sympathetic form is a clear affront to Islam. Infidels are decended from apes and the portrayal of one as both strong and sympathetic is a clear attempt of infedels to rise above their filthy status. The giant ape was seen fighting giant lizards, also considered unclean in Islam, the West has called "dinosaurs". These creatures allegedly went extinct over 65 million years ago in a supposed asteroid impact, but were in reality killed in a secret plot by the Bush administration, Isreal, and Haliburton in order to create oil that could then be taken from the peace loving Muslims of the world.

Posted by: Balrog at September 28, 2006 10:40 AM

A related article claimed that King Kong was specifically made to insult Islam. Apes are considered unclean in Islam and the portrayal of a giant ape in such a sympathetic form is a clear affront to Islam.

Posted by: Balrog

I guess Porky Pig is also another insult to Islam then. Will somebody please list what does NOT insult Islam in this day and age? I'm sure such a list would be very short.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at September 28, 2006 10:45 AM

ISLAMSFORLOSERS,

I guess Porky Pig is also another insult to Islam then. Will somebody please list what does NOT insult Islam in this day and age? I'm sure such a list would be very short.

The Muslims did invent zero. They needed a symbol to represent the number of things that don't insult them.

Posted by: ZionistYoungster at September 28, 2006 10:48 AM

The Muslims did invent zero. They needed a symbol to represent the number of things that don't insult them.

Posted by: ZionistYoungster

Touche!
No doubt they invented zero since it represents the IQ of their founder.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at September 28, 2006 10:50 AM

Hmmm, that's an idea! But we have to careful. The West must suppress those parts of its culture that are bound to make the Muslims crescent.

Posted by: ZionistYoungster at September 28, 2006 10:54 AM

The Iranians are correct - Disney and other forms of free world culture are tools which can be used to weaken or destroy the grip that Islam has on the hearts & minds.

Let's use the powerful tools we have at full strength. We have a full tool box at our disposal.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at September 28, 2006 10:57 AM

The Muslims did invent zero. They needed a symbol to represent the number of things that don't insult them.

Posted by: ZionistYoungster

==============================================

And to express the GNP of the countries they occupy.

Posted by: ShortBoard Surfer at September 28, 2006 10:57 AM

"Yadda, Yadda, Yadda ...and Pirates of the Caribbean is its newest ammunition."

- From the article

I wonder how he liked the movie "Independence Day". THAT one should worry him>

Posted by: ShortBoard Surfer at September 28, 2006 11:04 AM

Someone clue me in. I'm not too bad with
the "who's a Jew" game, but the cast and
characters of "Dead Man's Chest" looked
rather Gentile to me. So, who's the Jew?
Please God, let it be Keira Knightley! :-)

No Jews? What's the Zionist plot then?

Zionist plot or no, it least it was a fun movie.
The problem with Jihad Watch is that while it's
extremely important, Muslims and Mohammad are
not (to me) an interesting field of study.
They're vile, and once the nausea subsides,
utterly predictable and boring.

Posted by: root_cause at September 28, 2006 11:10 AM

Correction. Muslims did not invent the zero.
The zero existed long before Islam was invented.

Try this.
http://www.scienceiq.com/ShowFact.cfm?ID=205

Posted by: pr126 at September 28, 2006 11:28 AM

pr126,

The inability to perceive a joke increases exponentially one's susceptibility to convert to the Religion of Peace.

Posted by: ZionistYoungster at September 28, 2006 11:33 AM

Re:who invented the zero.

I guess since Islam often claims to be the mother of all good things it's understandable to get this one wrong.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at September 28, 2006 11:43 AM

So the Moslems are watching the Joos, the Gentiles are watching the Moslems.... who's watching the mice? Mice are indeed very cunning - Jerry, Stuart Little, Pinky and the Brain etc. - maybe all this Jihad business is a clever ruse? It could be just the distraction they need... Damn you, dirty mice. I'm onto you!

Posted by: Domestos at September 28, 2006 1:05 PM

Normally, going from having Jews characterized as "dirty mice" in Schindler's List to seeing Tom & Jerry's purpose being to change perceptions of mice would get one an immediate diagnosis of schizophrenia.

I said, normally.

Posted by: Vee at September 28, 2006 1:05 PM

What does islam say about Itchy and Scratchy? There the mouse is the bad guy. lol

Incidently, where I live there is a chain of pubs called Tom & Jerry's. Where they serve alcohol!

Posted by: August22 at September 28, 2006 1:15 PM

"no ethnic group or people operate in such a clandstine manner as the Jews."

Oy gevalt! Clandestine yet. Not only covert, but clandestine.

Unable to blow one's cover! Always operating "out in the cold." Such a life! And the Tradecraft one's gotta constantly remember, oy!

Hey, you tink de CIA maybe should use all clandestine Jews instead of the people dey got dere now?

Well, I gotta go back out into the cold now. Pretend I'm not clandestine. So, see ya at the Underground Cafe!

[Hey, it's ok, lighten up! I ain't making fun of THEM. I'm one myself, so who's gonna forbid ME to talk wid a Jewish accent? Eh? Who? The ayatollah, maybe, or that schmuck whatchacallim Achmeindinnerjackkit? Vell, I REALLY gotta go now, be clandestine again, so vish me mazel tov so I don't blow my cover vat vit my akkzent and all.]

{btw. Good one! Balrog--the one about King Kong the ape, dinosaurs and "Islamic" oil [as if these bozos ever discovered one drop of oil beneath the barren wastelands they inhabit])

(root_cause,
Yeah, but you gotta WATCH 'em*, vile, predictable, and boring as they may be. Otherwise what'll you when they wanna come for you?)

*Islamics, who else did you think I meant?

Posted by: unicorns62000 at September 28, 2006 1:22 PM

Apes are considered unclean in Islam--Posted by Balrog

Apes, dogs, pigs, mice, lizards, Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists----what is considered "clean" in islam? It's no surprise that even the word "unclean" has a different meaning to muslims than to normal people. I only wish muslims would never stray from their bizarre parallel universe. If they would only stay there and devote their pathetic lives to making each other miserable, we could live in peace and cleanliness.

Posted by: Susanp at September 28, 2006 1:43 PM

"Oh, I come from a land, From a faraway place, Where the caravan camels roam. Where they cut off your ear if they don't like your face. It's barbaric, but, hey, its home."
-- the 1993 Disney film Aladdin

In the early 90s, Muslim groups objected to the Disney film Aladdin. As authors Timothy White and J.E. Winn of the following excerpted 1995 article say, "... the film's offensiveness [was] blamed [by some Arab-Americans] on Jewish motion picture executives eager to indoctrinate young audiences with negative stereotypes of Arabs."

"... the depictions of Islamic law in the film -- for example the threatened punishment of the amputation of Jasmine's hand for inadvertently stealing an apple, or the beheading (that didn't actually occur) of Aladdin for stealing a loaf of bread (or for consorting with the princess Jasmine; it never is made quite clear) -- is rather tame compared to the punishments meted out in many Malaysian period films, in which characters routinely suffer amputations of various body parts, or are speared, beheaded, and/or burned alive, all in the name of Allah. Anyone familiar with Malaysian cinema should have no problem understanding why audiences, in general, chose to ignore calls to ban or boycott the film and instead treated themselves to an evening of song and romance."

http://www.kinema.uwaterloo.ca/white951.htm

Posted by: remote_control at September 28, 2006 1:55 PM

Just proves that first cousin marriage is REALLY NOT not a good idea....

**Shakes head in disbelief**

Posted by: treehugger at September 28, 2006 1:58 PM

The mad mullahs are upset about these flicks because they know their people can stand only so many domestic movies glorifying their past with beheadings, raping, looting and other worthwhile pastimes before falling asleep.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at September 28, 2006 2:06 PM

pr126,

The inability to perceive a joke increases exponentially one's susceptibility to convert to the Religion of Peace.

Posted by: ZionistYoungster

Whoops! My bad.

Posted by: pr126 at September 28, 2006 2:12 PM

Posted by: Quijybo
"It is in a small way a good sign that the Ayatollahs actually believe this stupidity."

Haha...they believe all kinds of stupidities and absurdities. The pornographic book 'The Quran' contains lots of them. The world is flat, giant spiders from Allah, ect. Some Imams made a treaty with Mahdi and dropped his copy down the well, where he lives. We need more cartoons about that stuff.
Cartoons are not made for children, they are made for adults and can convey political/religious messages, look at 'The Simpsons'. WW2 cartoons were full of war propaganda against the Germans and Japanese As far as I can see, this is a legitimate tool in the conflict of ideas, or warfare. We need more cartoons (animated also) about the vicious nature of Mohammad and Islam in general. Allah needs to look like a cartoon character...

Inventing zero...realising something is not the same as inventing it. Zero, like two and two equals four, has always existed. We discovered it when we had a need for it...Discovering is not inventing.

Posted by: duh_swami at September 28, 2006 2:35 PM

Jack Sparrow never gets a break!

I hadn't thought of Disney as a way to undermine the Islamic faith. Could have a real winner there. Little Mickey getting in good with the young 'uns. That might be a real "devil" for the imman to get rid of.

God willing, of course.

Posted by: credit man at September 28, 2006 2:56 PM

What does islam say about Itchy and Scratchy?

Don't get the Iranians started on that Zionist, Krusty, or Bart, who would be said to represent the US in his alliance with Krusty against Sideshow Bob (representing Iran).

Posted by: MarisolJW at September 28, 2006 3:03 PM

LMT, Disney, Schindler's List, and Tom and Jerry? Of course. Why didn't I see this before? But, ah, what am I seeing?

Posted by: Beagle at September 28, 2006 3:05 PM

Some (old) and new insults to Islam:
Pirates of the Carribean; King Kong; Porky Pig; Little Women; The Sound of Music; Wild Wild West; How the West Was Won; Easy Rider; It's a Wonderful Life; Ben Hur; Lawrence of Arabia; Big Daddy; Some Like it Hot; Uncle Buck; 101 Dalmatians; Legally Blond; Independence Day; The Lion, the Witch & the Wardrobe; Animal House; Fargo: American Graffiti; Singin' in the Rain; Pretty Woman; Superman; Men in Black; A Streetcar Named Desire; Pride & Prejudice; Tarzan; Pearl Harbor; Coming to America; What Lies Beneath; Aladdin; Snow White; The Santa Clause; The Rocky Horror Picture Show; Sister Act; City Lights; The Devil Wears Prada (no, not the Devil Is In The White House) Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles; Yankee Doodle Dandy; Scooby Doo; Ole Yeller; Love Story; Clueless (hmm, put that on the 'maybe' list) High Noon; Peter Pan; To Kill a Mockingbird; From Here to Eternity; The Graduate; Psycho (then again?); Midnight Cowboy; Raiders of the Lost Ark; Mr. Smith Goes to Washington; Saving Private Benjamin; The Piano Player; Bambi ... oh heck .. in fact .. any and all movies .. (they have images) except, oddly enough, those produced by Pallywood!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_B1H-1opys

Posted by: Daisytoo at September 28, 2006 3:40 PM

duh_swami mentions- "Allah needs to look like a cartoon character..."

Try this link:

http://islamcomicbook.com/

or

http://www.faithfreedom.org/comics/comics.htm

ENJOY!

Posted by: miira at September 28, 2006 5:43 PM

The inability to perceive a joke increases exponentially one's susceptibility to convert to the Religion of Peace. Posted by ZionistYoungster

First it needs to be funny, then it will be perceived as a joke.

Posted by: Pelayo at September 28, 2006 6:13 PM

Tom and Jerry were produced by directors William Hanna and Joseph Barbera for MGM. When MGM stopped making cartoons, H&B began making cartoons for TV. I'll bet Huckleberry Hound, Yogi Bear, Quickdraw McGraw and all the other HB cartoons are full of pro-Zionist messages.

I believe Louis B Meyer and Samuel Goldwin were jews, who but a Muslim, Nazi, or Klansman would care?

Posted by: Pelayo at September 28, 2006 6:22 PM

The fellow writing this for Iranian TV has a great job waiting if he ever moves to the US. The National Inquiror or the Weekly Word News would make him rich if he can somehow link his Zionist conspiracies to extraterrestrial death camps or reports that Elvis and JFK are secretly being held in Zionist prisons until the Jewish takeover is complete.

If the Jews have so much power and influence, haven't the Muslims already lost?

In the book/movie Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, it was the mice who were secretly running everything. It all makes sense now.......

Posted by: St. David, King of Georgia at September 28, 2006 6:38 PM

Don't the Moslems understand that the Jews in Hollywood are pro-Islam?

Wait, check that. Of course they do but that doesn't matter, for the 7th Pillar of Islam is seizing false victimhood wherever possible in order to implement the 6th Pillar of Islam onto the present situation.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at September 28, 2006 8:35 PM

I can't believe that they claim that Disney is a Zionist entity.

LMAO.. I think such statements are a ruse and deflection to hide the reality.

You see the reality is that Prince Walid bin Talal owns enough of Disney to influence programming (just he does of Fox and Murdoch's enterprise).

Prince bin Talal's ownership of Disney, Fox and other news agencies

In fact he owns so much of Disney that he was able to use his influence to prevent the showing of Farenheit 9-11, a film that is highly critical of the bin Laden/Saudi's and Bush (given that they are joined at the hip) and Bush used his position to ensure that over 100 members of the bin Laden and Saudi family were able to escape from the US in the three days after 9-11 (some with FBI escorts) flying in private aircraft in a time when all other flights were grounded. The SAudis didn't like that, nor did they like the other connections that Michael Moore (and Craig Unger) drew between them and the financing of 9-11..

So Disney is a Zionist entity. LMAO. Either these bozo's live in an alternate universe or they are accusing others of what they are guilty so as to deflect criticism and inspection.

Posted by: Nariz at September 28, 2006 8:44 PM

Tom and Jerry were borrowed by Hanna-Barbera from tales of Regency bucks (I can't remember whether apaches or mohicans), by Pierce Egan, detailing the adventures of Jerry Hawthorne and Corinthian Tom. Pierce Egan, some seminar taught me, may have been an influence, or the characters Tom and Jerry may have been, on Dickens and his "Pickwick Papers." The very phrase "Tom and Jerry" entered the language -- see Eric Partridge -- to mean "disorder, rowdiness, etc."

Pierce Egan's "Life in London" should not be confused with a later "Life in London," this one a decided influence on Dickens, the sociological study avant la lettre "Life in London, or London Labour and the London Poor" by Henry Mayhew, reprinted in four volumes by the samaritan house of Dover Publishing some 30 yuears ago.

For further proof that the cat-and-mouse cartoon of MGM using the names supplied by Pierce Egan must indeed be just as sinisterly anti-Islamic as is claimed, one can offer lexical evidence: the dismissive phrase "street Arab" occurs in the books of Pierce Egan, of Henry Mayhew, and of Dickens as well.

And the anti-Islamic conspiracy being conducted through cartoons pitched to the young has no end. Think of that outwardly innocent beep-beeping Road-Runner, who keeps inveigling poor Wile E. Coyote into setting traps for him, and then manages to turn the whole thing on its head, so that again and again and again, it is Wile E. Coyote who has terrible and undeserved damage inflicted on him by the implacable and cruel Road-Runner, while the Road-Runner, who should be destroyed, never is. Don't overlook the fact that the blithe Road-Runner makes repeated use of WMD supplied by the Acme Missile Company, which apparently puts no conditions on its use by him, and nowhere, not in a single Road-Runner cartoon, does anyone -- not even the United Nations -- seem able to stop the Road-Runner from behaving in such a consistently brutal fashion toward the tormented Wile E. Coyote, whose every well-meaning endeavor is so consistently foiled.

We know what that cartoon is really about.

We weren't born yesterday, you know.

Posted by: Hugh at September 28, 2006 9:02 PM

Road-Runner, Wile E. Coyote - That means that Warner Brothers Pictures is also in it. Where will it all end?

Anti-Islamic Conspiracy? Judaism still proscribes eating pork. How does Porky Pig fit into the anti-Islamic Conspiracy? It's confusing; I need a drink.

Posted by: Pelayo at September 28, 2006 9:45 PM

Bizzaro
Parallel Universe.
Just leave our cartoons alone. And our fairy tales.
I need a drink too. They are horrible people.

Posted by: pigtails not veils at September 28, 2006 10:15 PM

By the way: No group has ever been as pushy as these muslims.

Posted by: pigtails not veils at September 28, 2006 10:27 PM

Can eons of inbreeding ever be bred out of them?

Posted by: freewoman at September 28, 2006 10:57 PM

I almost spit my tea out laughing. This guy has got to be mentally ill. I suppose he thinks all the Loony Toons cartoons that take place in the Arab world are Jewish propaganda (Bugs Bunny and that Yosimete Sam riding camels in the desert come to mind)

Posted by: non-redneck at September 28, 2006 11:10 PM

ISLAMSFORLOSERS,
Schindler's List is probably watched to get pointers on how to spot people who don't hate Jews. They probably also like to boo the Nazis who accepted bribes in exchange for either not sending Jews to concentration camps or giving Schindler more Jews as workers (I can't remember which it was, been a while since I saw the movie)

Posted by: non-redneck at September 28, 2006 11:14 PM

Funnily enough, Iranian cinema has achieved something of a reputation for excellence on the art-house cinema circuit in recent years. Apparently, if you prevent artists from dealing with love, sex, crime, politics or anything else that is actually entertaining there is not a lot they can do except produce slow, visual meditations on the minutiae of everyday life. Well, at least it makes a change from Hollywood.

Posted by: wallyUK at September 29, 2006 1:01 AM

And the anti-Islamic conspiracy being conducted through cartoons pitched to the young has no end. Think of that outwardly innocent beep-beeping Road-Runner, who keeps inveigling poor Wile E. Coyote into setting traps for him, and then manages to turn the whole thing on its head, so that again and again and again, it is Wile E. Coyote who has terrible and undeserved damage inflicted on him by the implacable and cruel Road-Runner, while the Road-Runner, who should be destroyed, never is. Don't overlook the fact that the blithe Road-Runner makes repeated use of WMD supplied by the Acme Missile Company, which apparently puts no conditions on its use by him, and nowhere, not in a single Road-Runner cartoon, does anyone -- not even the United Nations -- seem able to stop the Road-Runner from behaving in such a consistently brutal fashion toward the tormented Wile E. Coyote, whose every well-meaning endeavor is so consistently foiled.
--- posted by Fitzgerald

Genius. Sheer genius. And in the cartoon it's funny as hell.

But looking at my 3 sons and the MSM and the academy and the military and the permanent gov't and the elected representives... this is no time to laugh (not that I'm saying you were joking).

Life is not a cartoon; or has it recently become one? I mean, if the extremely egregious Mohammed and his craven followers not cartoons, then what kind of humans are they?

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at September 29, 2006 3:24 AM

No doubt this will appear as a UC Berkeley PhD Thesis ?

Posted by: Voyager at September 29, 2006 4:29 AM

Hugh,

The allegory about the roadrunner and the coyote is great.

Posted by: rocky at September 29, 2006 8:43 AM

Don't tell anyone, but one of (if not the) largest share holders of Disney is Prince Bin Talal of Saudi Arabia.

When Disney World wanted to celebrate 3000 years of Jerusalem, he threaten to sell all his shares and Disney balked.

They beleive these "Protocols" conspiracies so much that they've actually gone out and tried to counter "Jewish COntrol" of certain industries by pouring money into them.

Just a reminder:

14 Million Jews.
1.5 Billion Muslims.

Failures.

Posted by: Ben-Hur at September 29, 2006 10:09 AM

ISLAMSFORLOSERS,
Schindler's List is probably watched to get pointers on how to spot people who don't hate Jews. They probably also like to boo the Nazis who accepted bribes in exchange for either not sending Jews to concentration camps or giving Schindler more Jews as workers (I can't remember which it was, been a while since I saw the movie)

Posted by: non-redneck at September 28, 2006 11:14 PM

Ah, that clears it up. They probably have a local imam sitting in for the viewing to make sure they get their booing right. After all, they wouldn't want the "good" Nazis getting booed by mistake.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at September 29, 2006 10:36 AM

Okay, maybe they're on to something:

www.publishersweekly.com/article/CA6349865.html?nid=2789

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Siegel

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at September 29, 2006 11:42 AM

No, everyone is wrong here: They are mis-analyzing Tom and Jerry because they want to delude themselves into thinking that islam and muslims were actually relevant to the West in the 50’s and 60’s.

Posted by: never_submit at September 29, 2006 11:58 AM

Re: Road Runner: Don't forget Yosemite bin Laden (aka Antisemite Sam).

Posted by: remote_control at September 29, 2006 1:37 PM

I guess the Saudis are part of the Zionist conspiracy, since Prince Walid bin Talal owns enough of Disney to prevent it from showing Farenheit 9-11 in its (Miramax) theaters.

Then again, for those who don't know it, there are Sunni's who believe that the Shi'a are actually Jews with turbans and that Shi'a Islam was founded by a Rabbi..

There is also some websites that claim the Saudis are really Jews, like Muhammad Saleem The House of Saud's Jewish Ancestry

WHO ARE THESE SAUDIS? WHERE ARE THEY FROM? AND WHAT IS THEIR FINAL GOAL?

The Saudi Family members know perfectly well the Muslims all over the world have already known their real Jewish Origin. Muslims have now known all their bloody past, which was, and still is stuck in the same mire of Brutal Despotism and Atrocity. Presently, they exert their utmost efforts to conceal their Jewish Origin by covering themselves with the cloak of the Islamic Religion, so as to try to keep their real Jewish Ancestry hidden in the dark by connecting their family tree with our Holy Prophet Muhammad ( ).

They forget or ignore that Islam does never give any favorable attention to genealogy or "Family Trees"; it favors and honors indiscriminately all human beings whose actions and words are commensurate with the doctrines of the Holy Qur'aan as confirmed by the following Qur'aanic verse: "O Mankind! We created you from a single (Pair) of a male and female, and made you into nations and tribes, so that you may know each other (not that you may despise each other.) Verily, the most honored by you in the Sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you." (49-13)

Anyone who is iniquitous and blasphemous cannot affiliate him/her self to our great Prophet Muhammad ( ) even though he/she may be the closest blood relative to him. Bilal, the Abyssinian slave, who was a faithful Muslim, was much more honored by Islam than Abu Lahab, the pagan, who was the real blood uncle of our Prophet. In Islam there is no favoritism. Allah sets the degree of comparison in Islam according to the person's piety and not according to his/her worldly status of affiliation to any dynasty.

Who is the Real Ancestor of the Clan of Saud?

In the year 851 A.H. a group of men from Al Masaleekh Clan, which was a branch of Anza Tribe, formed a caravan for buying cereals (wheat and corn) and other foodstuff from Iraq, and transporting it back to Najd. The head of that group was a man called Sahmi Bin Hathlool. The caravan reached Basra, where the members of the group went to a cereal merchant who was a Jew, called Mordakhai bin Ibrahim bin Moshe. During their bargaining with that merchant, the Jew asked them: "Where are you from?" They answered: "From Anza Tribe; a Clan of Al Masaleekh." Upon hearing that name, the Jew started to hug so affectionately each on the them saying that he, himself, was also from the clan of Al Masaleekh, but he had come to reside in Basra (Iraq) in consequence to a family feud between his father and some members of Anza Tribe.

And from another Muslim (Sunni) source

"Khomeini Told Me That the Time Has Come to Execute the Commandments to Kill the Sunnis and Destroy Mecca and Medina."

A leading Shiite clergyman became a whistleblower and wrote a revealing book based on Shiite sources. He concludes that the establishment of the state of Israel is the fulfilment of the Shiite Mahdi (Messiah) prophecies. How else can one explain that this Qa'im (Mahdi) would establish David's kingdom, kill the Arabs, and destroy Mecca and Medina? Aren't these Israel's goals, too?

Ayatollah Khomeini confided to this clergyman in 1979 that "the time has come to execute the commandments of our Imams...We shall shed the blood of the Sunnis (nawasib), kill their sons and keep their women... and take their wealth. We shall wipe Mecca and Medina from the face of the earth because these two towns have become strongholds of wahhabis..."

Does this explain why the cat-and-mouse games between Iran and Israel do no harm to Israel?

There is so much interesting stuff here (especially about the cozy Shi'a, Iranian, U.S. and yes Israeli situation that I can't post it all, so check it out for yourself Here

Here's one of interest

Is Israel Trying to Have Iran Invade Saudi Arabia?
See also US Allows Shiites to Steal Dozens of Sunni Mosques in Iraq

Here is the claim that Shi'a Islam was concocted by a Jew name of Abdullah bin Saba

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Then again the muslims have a way of blaming the Jew for everything, don't they

Abdullah bin Saba Abdullah bin Saba, a clever Jew or Yemen, played a leading role in this drama. During Othman's calpihate, he came to Medina, and made a show of becoming a devout Muslim, but he had his own plans. He stayed for some months in Medina and studied things. He saw that Banu Hashim regarded the Caliphate their natural right. They thought that Ali, and not Othman, should have been the Caliph. Abdullah bin Saba determined to make capital out of this.

With great cunning, he set about his task. He made "love of the Holy Prophet and his relatives" his starting-point. Out of this, he spun a clever story. Every Prophet, he said, left behind a "Wasi." The Wasi must be a near relative of the Prophet. Aaron was the Wasi of Moses. In the same way, the Holy Prophet must also have a Wasi, to carry on his mission. Muhammad (peace be upon him) was the last of the Prophets. So, his Wasi, Ali, was the last of the Wasis. Being the Wasi, Ali was the only rightful man to be the Caliph. Othman, therefore had to be removed from the caliphate.

Abdullah bin Saba began to preach his views secretly. He visited important cities in the Muslim empire. In each city, he set up a secret society. He picked up men who lent an easy ear to what he said. These were generally the men who had some real or imaginary complaint against the officers. It was easy to tell these men that the Caliph was the real cause of all trouble.

When the network of secret societies was complete, Abdullah bin Saba set up his headquarters in Egypt. The secret societies rapidly increased their strength. For this they used the following method:

1.

Their members made a great show of piety. They posed as the real well wishers of the people.
2.

They invented complaints against Othman and his officers. Some of the complaints were no doubt real. Under cover of these, they also said things that did not exist.
3.

A regular campaign was started against all officers. They were described as irreligions and inefficient.
4.

Forged letters were sent from city to city. These letters talked of injustice and unrest in the city of origin. The Sabaites read out the letters to as many people as possible. Letters were also forged to show that Ali, Talha, Zubair and other noted Companions had full sympathy with the movement. This led people to think that there was widespread unrest and that the leading Companions wanted to remove the Caliph.

Unrest in Provinces

Abdullah bin Saba's plan worked well. Basra was the capital of one of the provinces. Abu Musa Ashari was its governor. One day Abu Musa gave an address. In it he told the people how, in the early years of Islam, Muslims walked on foot all the way to the field of battle. He went on to explain what great reward such people had found from Allah.

After some days, Abu Musa had to goto a battle-front. He rode on a horse. This produced an uproar against him.

"Look at the Governor!" went round the story, "he says one thing and does another. Why does he go to the battlefield riding on a horse? Why does he not earn a greater reward from Allah by walking on foot?"

The agents of Ibn Saba played with the feelings of people. So much so, that the people get really angry with Abu Musa. A deputation marched to Medina. The Caliph foundh his hands forced to dismiss Abu Musa.

Abdullah bin Amir became the new governor of Basra. The Sabaites started a campaign against him too.

"He is a raw yougn man," they said, "moreover, he is a relative of the Caliph. Othman is filling all key-posts with his kinsmen."

Posted by: Nariz at September 30, 2006 12:24 AM

Well, go zionist lobby!

I liked the movie!

Posted by: zion at September 30, 2006 4:14 AM