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Islamic Tolerance Alert from Compass Direct:
September 28 (Compass Direct News) – Born on June 18 to a Christian family in northern Azerbaijan, three-month-old Ilya Eyvazov still has no official name.Local authorities in the town of Aliabad at first refused to issue a birth certificate when the baby’s father, Novruz Eyvazov, tried to register his son’s birth on June 21.
“Impossible,” city administration officials told Novruz Eyvazov when they saw his son’s name was the Russian form of Elijah.
“They said it was because it was a Christian name,” said the Baptist church member....
But an official in the regional registration office in Zaqatala said that Baptists in Aliabad were facing difficulties because their attempt to take non-Azeri names was part of a plot to cede Zaqatala to neighboring Georgia.
“I have a letter here with the signatures of 3,000 residents of Aliabad, sent to the president and the European Council, complaining that they [Baptists] want to make [Aliabad’s residents] Georgians,” Aybeniz Kalashova told Compass.
“The letter says, ‘They [Baptists] want to change our names, make us Georgian and then claim that this area is part of southern Georgia.’ Why have they become Christians and started serving a foreign country?”...
The majority of Aliabad’s residents belong to the ethnically Georgian Ingilo minority who converted to Islam several centuries ago....
Without a birth certificate it is impossible for an Azeri to receive medical care, go to school or travel abroad. It is not yet clear what practical problems Ilya Eyvazov will face if his official I.D. carries no name....
Soltanov, who had been instrumental in securing a birth certificate for Luka Eyvazov, was skeptical of the Eyvazovs’ motives for giving their children foreign names.
“Why is it that Novruz wants to give his sons foreign names?” Soltanov asked Compass, continuing speculations, initially made to Forum 18, that the Christian family was being forced to choose the foreign names by “some religious sect.”
Zaur Balayev, pastor of Aliabad’s first Baptist church formed in 1993, told Compass that he knows at least five families from his congregation that have faced opposition from local officials in giving their children Christian names....
Pastor Shabanov told Compass that members of his congregation are constantly being called in to the police station to answer questions about their worship activities.
“They can’t actually keep us from worshipping, but they do everything they can to scare away people who are interested in attending our services,” Shabanov said. He told Compass that new converts to Christianity were often told to return to Islam or their relatives would lose their jobs....
“No one in the whole world recognizes the Baptists,” Kalashova of Zaqatala’s registration office commented to Compass. “They are Muslims who converted to Christianity and received help from foreigners. They don’t intermarry or have relations with [people outside their group].”
Azeri churches outside of the capital city of Baku have found it difficult to register with the government, a move that would in theory allow them to worship with minimal government interference.
Posted by Robert at September 29, 2006 10:49 AM
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Sorry to go off comment, but this has got to be the most stupid statement ever:
Mr Zapatero said Spain "does not accept what the French interior minister might have to say, after what we saw in the neighbourhoods of Paris".
Mr Sarkozy had accused Spain of encouraging illegal immigration by offering an amnesty to some 600,000 unregistered migrants last year.
When it was immigrants of the self styled religion of peace who carried out the fire-bombing, its got the same irony as Jose Bove being feted as a hero by third world farmers... or if you don't apologise for calling us intolerant we will kill you.
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at September 29, 2006 11:18 AM
Why this issue of the persecution of Christians is not taken up more strongly by western leaders, I cannot understand. With all the prattling from Muslim leaders about how their people are oppressed in the west, you would think it the perfect issue to embarrass them. And we know how easy it is to humiliate Islamic sentiments, and the threat to Islam that humiliation represents.
Posted by: Quijybo at September 29, 2006 11:25 AM
Hey, I see tolerance here. Nobody was threatened with a beheading in this story at all. With such progress maybe in the next 14 centuries Islam can truly be the religion of peace. Too bad none of us will be around for that.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at September 29, 2006 12:11 PM
Quijybo, "Why this issue of the persecution of Christians is not taken up more strongly by western leaders, I cannot understand."
Simple, we have been taught for decades now to hate our culture. Political correctness and socialist teaching practices have been bearing the fruits of their labours today.
We have for years now been slowly removing the words Christmas and replacing them with Season Greetings, or Holiday Season. We have stopped the Lords prayer in public schools, and have turned our back to everything Christian.
This is how the west produces traitors like Bill Clinton. When Bill Clinton was in Pakistan last year during the Mohammed cartoon fiasco, he stated that these cartoons should never be printed as they are offensive to Muslims. When asked about the Manure Madonna a few years ago both Clintons told Christians to basically shut up as this is freedom of expression.
Think back to the bogus war in Yugoslavia, where the mostly Orthodox Christian Serbs were subjected to non stop bombing raids through Christmas, but when we bomb Iraq and Afghanistan, bombings are suspended during Ramadan.
This is truly a plague that has afflicted us in the west, and the first thing we need to do is stop being politically correct, and then we need to bring back a common sense approach to our education system. Teach the truth and how things really were, and how they really are. We need to find respect for Christianity again and start to defend it every chance we get. This will only be beneficial to us all.
It is time for all westerners to stand up to their elected officials and tell them what they should do to defend us, because unfortunately the only ones yelling are the Islamic hordes, and our own traitors who hate our culture anyway.
Niv
Posted by: niv at September 29, 2006 12:59 PM
Quijybo, "Why this issue of the persecution of Christians is not taken up more strongly by western leaders, I cannot understand."
Why this issue of the persecution of Christians is not taken up more strongly by western leaders, I cannot understand.
Too many christians and catholics are to interesred trying to ride the moral high road by turning the other cheek than to lash back at the muslims.
On a Swedish forum I got more flaming from the christians/catholics than from muslims,in fact I handed in my moderator status,and also had ILLUSTRATED P.I.G TO ISLAM thread removed, due to the membership where more concerned about being Politically Correct than to draw a hard-line against Islam.
They showed more concern to-wards so-called moderate muslims than to the situations of Christians being slaughtered in Indonesia.
I got so bad with false or misleading imformation that I ended up being more critical of the forum than against Islam.What with one Pope kissing the Quoran,and the present one over-looking Israel when mentioning Countries affected by Terrorism,seriously I wonder what side the church is when they stay quiet about what is happening to christians in Asia,Or shaking hands with the muslims
Warning very graphic
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Posted by: shiva at September 29, 2006 1:05 PM
We need to vote for conservatives and not Democrats or RINOs. Between Mo's followers and the Chinese, we are going to have our hands full.
Posted by: lonewolf at September 29, 2006 1:42 PM
As a Roman and Catholic I agree with you, Shiva. I often engage my fellow Catholics (the kumbaya-my-Lord kind, that is) in vigorous debate. Most know nothing about the Koran and sadly, often less about Jesus, preferring an effeminate, mincing, relativistic "jesus" as presented by their mincing, effeminate, relativistic pastors.
My first thought reading this article was that an American Catholic would just go along to get along and name their kid "Ali" or "Mo". God bless the fervor of these Baptists whether suffering under the Commies or the Islamofascists they perservere and need our truly ecumenical prayers.
Shiva, for a manly, intelligent, feisty priest's words go to Father Rutler's "Pastors Corner" on his parish website www.oursaviournyc.org. His bulletin letter of September 24th is a must read. Incidently folks, Fr. Rutler was at the towers before they fell and gave absolution to a number of police and firemen before they rushed into the burning towers never to return. He also helped lay bodies on the cemetary ground of Trinity Church (at the end of Wall St.). He does not suffer fools any more lightly than the REAL JESUS did. And do not give up on Pope Benny 16, Shiva. He is learning and is not inclined toward Koran kissing nor will he go further than "cordial greetings" and venture into syncretism. - BevC
Posted by: bevc at September 29, 2006 2:24 PM
wasn't azeribajan a former USSR state?
here falls the mith of "former commie countries are not so fanatic because communism didn't tolerate religions"
Former commie countries after being saved, see the islamism rise.
Posted by: FedUp at September 29, 2006 3:01 PM
I'm distressed to here from posters above, Shiva and Bevc that you are having such difficulty reaching your Catholic brothers. This is the exact problem I face on a daily basis from the majority of people I encounter.
The problem is that the majority of people I seem to meet are self professed atheists. As someone of a Greek Orthodox background, I must say I don't find much resistance on this topic with people from my background. There are always a few out there, but the majority of Orthodox Christians I speak to seem to get it.
I believe it has more to do with the fact that Orthodox Christians have always been the ones on the front lines of this aggression, and the ones that have bared the brunt so to speak.
I only hope more Catholics wake up also. That might explain to me why wife who is Catholic always gets mad at me when I buy books and read books such as The Truth about Muhammed.
Time to figure out who's side your on.
Niv
Posted by: niv at September 29, 2006 3:40 PM
FedUp: It was no myth (not mith) that the Communists persecuted Christians--especially Baptists and other Evangelicals. In Soviet days, many were subjected to indefinite periods of confinement in mental institutions, internal exile, imprisonment in the Gulag, etc. In China, it is still technically illegal to give religious instruction or baptism to anyone under eighteen.
As for the Azerbaijan case, there is a long tradition of religion, ethnicity, and political allegiance being tightly bound up with each other in the lands where Europe and Asia meet. Too many think that someone is Muslim--even if he is an atheist and a drunk--simply because he was born Azeri, Chechen, Turk, Persian, Kazakh, or Donggan; and "Christian" simply because his native language is Georgian or Russian.
But I will add as well that I thank God that Christianity is now "on the radar" among many of the former Soviet Turkic peoples. In my youth, "Azeri Christian" meant Armenian or ethnic Russian or Assyrian under another name.
Posted by: Kepha at September 29, 2006 4:27 PM
"Too many think that someone is Muslim--even if he is an atheist and a drunk--simply because he was born Azeri, Chechen, Turk, Persian, Kazakh, or Donggan"
Azrebajan = 94% muslim
chechen = 94% consider themselves muslims (and there's sharia in chechen)
Turkey = 99% muslim (and not only by name)
They ARE muslims, the number of christian is small and they are escaping places like chechenia
Posted by: FedUp at September 29, 2006 7:28 PM
ROFL, here's a wag of the finger to all the Bush Bots and all the Repugnibots.
Dick Cheney was President of Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce and also President of Haliburton, which just happens to be one of the major corporations that have received no bid contracts for Iraq, and then gone on to rip off the tax payer...
But we invaded Iraq because Saddam was buds with Osama, and was trying to make Nukes and had WMD's, which were never found, and now thanks to Cheney et al, we have a theocratic Islamist country, allied with Hizballah and Iran being propped up and subsidized by our money and lives.. But Howard Dean was a "friend of the terrorists" for daring to criticize Bush, the neo cons, their agenda and real motives..
Oh how safe we are, now that they have managed to provide the Jihadi's with a recruiting campaign and a training ground, just like Ronald Reagan did Osama and the Taliban in Afghanistan.
at September 29, 2006 10:14 PM
Quijybo:
You asked a very good question:
Why this issue of the persecution of Christians is not taken up more strongly by western leaders?
Leaders are going to do nothing as long as the majority of the population is lukewarm towards Muslims who have converted to Christianity.
My wife was a Muslim (I prefer to keep the country secret, for there are practically no Christans there, ony Muslims) and converted 17 years ago. We almost never talk about it to anyone because they don't understand it or often even show negative reactions, like: Why would you break away from your traditions? Or stuff to the same effect.
People in the West (my people) are assumed to be broadminded and well-informed but when it comes to the issue of conversions from Islam they are not.
And they are not ready to give friendship, shelter or sympathy, except for a few Christian believers and some churches who are aware of this problem.
So why blame the leaders when the general public in the "freedom-loving countries" is so apathetic and stupefied.
at September 30, 2006 2:20 AM
have_mercy:
"Also, the messenger of Allah possessed a penis unlike that of the believers.
Based on that, it is not permissible to carry on Mufkhaza during weddings, in homes, and in schools due to its excessive danger… May Allah curse the infidels who brought these practices into our lands."
...WTF??
Prophet Geoff
Posted by: Geoff at September 30, 2006 6:35 PM
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