Right on, Mr. Cameron. Here's a guy who'd make a great PM. Unfortunately, I don't see how drumming Western values into these people will work. Their skulls seem rather thick and resistant to absorbing such ideas. Still, it's better to make an effort than to let these places fester and spew forth more toxin into Britain.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at October 4, 2006 9:35 AM

I suppose muslim schools would have to pay veeery much to non-muslim parents to make them send their children to a muslim school.

Posted by: FreeSpeech at October 4, 2006 9:47 AM

Mr. Cameron's ideas have merit and he should be supported over any leftist candidate for PM.

However, I have a reservation about his idea that Islamic schools should in future admit a quarter of their pupils from other faiths. Since the attachment of so many British is so shallow, this would be seen as an opportunity by the Islamic schools for Dawa. We have seen that the reverts are the worst of the Muslims and we should avoid any situation that exposes children to Muslim proselytizing.

Posted by: Provoslavni at October 4, 2006 10:00 AM

I wouldn't send one of MY kids to a school where the student body was 75% muslim, particularly after reading about the behavior at mixed schools in Germany.

I will also bet that the members of Parliament will never have their children attend one of these majority muslim educational institutions.

The children of a western country are being used as guinea pigs because the adults don't have the stones to deal with the problem themselves.

Disgusting.

Posted by: treehugger at October 4, 2006 10:15 AM

Shutting the door after the horse has bolted?

I would like to see how these fine words will work out in practice. Are they going to force Moslems to sell their houses and move to different areas? Are they going to stop other Moslems from buying houses in certain proscribed areas?

The school idea may be better! It may be a chance for Dawa but if it was to be implemented I think the moslem schools should take their fair share of delinquents and disruptive students as well.

In fact, the more I think about this suggestion the more I like it. Use some of the little vandals, truants and thugs that this country generates so effortlessly to destroy the Moslem school system just through participation.

Posted by: Peterborough at October 4, 2006 10:36 AM

ISLAMSFORLOSERS,

Sorry to break your warm feelings, but this David Cameron is an absolute disaster. He has accepted Muslim schools in that statement, which shows that he does not understand the issue at all.

Posted by: Daffersd at October 4, 2006 10:37 AM

Either Islam is superior to western civilization, or it isn't. I gather that all of us in this forum believe the latter. If the ideas we hold dear are better, children exposed to both will largely make the correct choice. Ergo, this is a good plan, certainly better than nothing, or spreading pro-Islam propaganda among our children while allowing Muslim children to continue growing up in the moral miasma of Islamic literalism.

Posted by: Quijybo at October 4, 2006 10:40 AM

Right on, Treehugger! I've seen it time and time again. These wealthy politicians decide to implement their social engineering on us regular folks. They live in their gated communities and send their kids to elite private schools. Then they pat themselves on the back and tell us how good we are all supposed to feel becuase we are becoming more "tolerant." Then it's us, the taxpayers who have to live with it and pay for their social experiments that are doomed to fail. For once I'd like to see a REAL leader stand up and tell the Muslim community to learn the national language, be a real citizen, accept the culture they are living in, or get the hell out and go back to the "mid-evil" mentality that they came from.

Posted by: never_submit at October 4, 2006 10:46 AM

"I think the moslem schools should take their fair share of delinquents and disruptive students as well." from the post above.

I have to disagree. Just as murderers and rapists in prison are turned into the most dedicated of Muslim jihadists, the delinquents and disruptive students would be the most likely to be Islamized in a Muslim school.

Posted by: Provoslavni at October 4, 2006 10:47 AM

I support Muslim schools. Under conditions.

1) The curriculm must be scrutinized and approved by Robert here.

2) All teachers must be non-Muslims

3) Burkha's are prohibited. Muslim dress may be worn at home only.

4) Teachings about Islam should come straight from thereligionofpeace.com

That's the ground rules I think... any supporters?

Posted by: computernerd at October 4, 2006 10:50 AM

treehugger, never_submit,

I agree completely. This is a stupid idea, backed
by some politician who'll never have to deal with
the consquences. Let all those who vote for it be the ones to send THEIR children to some
Mohammadan rat's nest.

Posted by: root_cause at October 4, 2006 11:57 AM

And while you are at it, push for EQUAL treatment and freedom of religion in their country. Who is the guy kidding? Send them back to sand riddled, Islamic politically- correct hell holes they come from!

Posted by: lonewolf at October 4, 2006 12:05 PM

More band-aids. Sounds good, lasts a long time, does nothing. The demon Allah needs to be killed or caged. Spreading his infections around wont solve the problem.

Posted by: duh_swami at October 4, 2006 12:09 PM

Well now he is talking the lines of the Australian Prime Minister John Howard. Atleast few people have the balls to say the truth -- I hope some action comes from those words.

Posted by: vonbueren at October 4, 2006 12:11 PM

This is a good start. The crucial part is the compulsary learning of English (also our history and organisations). And the important thing to remember is that Cameron wouldn't have said this if it wasn't safe ground and if he didn't think that it struck a chord with, and represented the views of the British people. I'll wager that even last year the multi-cultural, leftist, yoghurt-knitting, hand-wringing brigade would have been all over this like a rash. All those people who (seemingly gleefully at times) foresee the Islamic Rebublic of Britain, take note. I told you, it is a Left/Right thing, and God willing, we are set to get a Conservative government.

(You'll also note that in the press David Davies, the Shadow Home-Secretary, is pretty vocal in his anti-dhimmitude).

Posted by: FREE LEE at October 4, 2006 12:25 PM

Ignoring the underpinning problems of Islam itself - the Quran, Shariah, Jihad - is what makes Cameron's ideas worthless. Teaching Muslims English is only going to make them better at navigating Britain while they are on their Jihad. Having non-Muslims in Muslim schools is only going to make those Infidels more dhimmi, rather than make Muslims more open.

I see nothing from the Tories that suggests that the Brits shouldn't turn to the UKIP or (horrors!) the BNP.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at October 4, 2006 12:37 PM

Hands up who wants 25% of their neighbours to be pakistani muslims?

Posted by: Celsius at October 4, 2006 1:07 PM

ISLAMSFORLOSERS,

Sorry to break your warm feelings, but this David Cameron is an absolute disaster. He has accepted Muslim schools in that statement, which shows that he does not understand the issue at all.

Posted by: Daffersd at October 4, 2006 10:37 AM

Damn! Fooled again! I guess the best anyone can hope for these days is a half-appeaser type. No wonder the enemy's still around.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at October 4, 2006 1:22 PM

I see nothing from the Tories that suggests that the Brits shouldn't turn to the UKIP or (horrors!) the BNP.
Posted by: Infidel Pride [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 4, 2006 12:37 PM

I agree these sort of social engineering policies might have worked if implemeted 30 years ago. However the sad fact is there are now too many Muslims entrenched on British/European soil and the clash of civilizations is close to boiling over. The Tories are just empty suits full of empty promises, who have no idea of what Islam actually means.

In this time of war, the correct solution would be to name Islam an enemy of the state, dismantle the Islamic social structure which propogates dawa and jihad and begin iternment and deportation.

There is only one party in the UK with cajones to do the job in the short time necessary to save whats left of Gt Britain.

Despearate times call for desperate measures, its time to let the nationalists deal with this problem. The other parties are just part of the same multiculti group think zombies who think we can all live together should if only we would just talk to each other.

Finally in my mind forcing a quota of non Muslim children to attend an Islamic school is nothing more than child abuse.

\rant off

Posted by: km at October 4, 2006 1:48 PM

It is not clear if this is an intelligent idea, or if it is one more way of pretending that the unsolvable problem can be solved. And given pressures on the young, how many of those non-Muslims would not find it safer for themselves, and much pleasanter altogether, if they take Islam to heart, begin to see "what is right with Islam" and some, perhaps, might even convert. Not because there is anything necessarily right with Islam, but out of fear, internalized.

Among Cameron's present advisers is Michael Gove, but also Muslims who denounce Michael Gove. He has pitched his campaign, hideously, to the "go-getters" and the "dynamic young" -- we all know what that means for we have all been here before. During those late-night write-ups of case studies at Harvard Business Schools.

"Dynamic."

"Go-getters."

Not your grandfather's Conservative Party. The party for homo economicus, and all worshippers of GNP, GDP, and suchlike. What else, after all, could there possibly be?

Posted by: Hugh at October 4, 2006 1:59 PM

Cameron: "We need to have contact. In many of our towns and cities, we have allowed ghettoes to develop."

This idea is the same one behind the insane policies of unlimited Islamic immigration, foreign aid to Muslim states, and nation-building exercises in the Islamic world. Specifically, it is believed by many policy makers that increasing interpersonal contact at every level--business, academic, and social--will somehow cause the Islamic world to moderate and accept co-existence on an equal basis with other cultures.

All evidence is to the contrary. More contact breeds more Islamic feelings of "humiliation" and contempt for the host non-Muslim society. Mohammed Atta, who piloted the first airliner into the World Trade Center, is perhaps the best example of that reactive phenomenon, which of course, springs directly from his childhood indoctrination under the immutable Mohammedan doctrines.

Islam must be de-certified as a religion. It SHOULD be taught to all students in a course on defensive psychology, as a hideous example of how human nature can be manipulated to serve a violent, intolerant, and aggressive cult, alongside such phenonena as Nazism and Communism.

Posted by: Stendec at October 4, 2006 2:08 PM

phenomena

Posted by: Stendec at October 4, 2006 2:11 PM

the term ghetto is often associated with jews.

any major town did have a jew ghetto.

no crime rates there, no swamped suburbs.

the fact that some people get together on the base of ethnicity is not a problem.

It's the NATURE of the people which is a problem.

Posted by: FedUp at October 4, 2006 2:12 PM

No muslim schools. If needed, bus the muslim children to public schools. Keep the ratio of muslim children less than that of non muslim, to deter the muslim boys from harassing others. No burkas, hijabs, korans, halal meat. No prayer times. They can pray twice at home. Just normal school.

If the muslims act up, strongly let them know it's unacceptable, and if it happens again, the parents and children will be considered for deportation. And do it.

Posted by: freewoman at October 4, 2006 2:25 PM

And this is the same David Cameron who voted against the 90-day detention rule for terror suspects. Judge him by what he does, rather than what he says. After all, actions speak louder than words.

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at October 4, 2006 2:26 PM

"Whole neighbourhoods cut off from the rest of society. Immigrant families who only ever meet people with the same country of origin. We need to find ways to avoid this."

This is the way they want it. They are then able to practice sharia. They break the law by having upto 4 islamic wives, but they are not legally married. This allows them to collect aide. So, they live off of the government and hate the government at the same time. They will eventually our breed the rest of Europe and change the laws to suit them.

You all had better get off your asses and find a way to stop this. I don't think that the US should fight this war for you too.

Posted by: Phximan at October 4, 2006 3:10 PM

Ditto.

The U.S. should close its borders, deport non American Muslims, and let the bloody Europe go down the drain.

Two times in a century we involved ourselves in a war to liberate Europe. And we have received nothing but scorn, betrayal, and hatred from the Euros for it. I don't mean that we want Euros to be eternally on bent knee before us, but how about just being a friend instead of a backstabbing slanderer?

Europe is dead. And I'll be damned if we go there to fight their fight for them. We have our own problems here. And we better take care of that first.

Posted by: atheling at October 4, 2006 3:24 PM

The Truth is UGLY and getting UGLIER.

The West is running out of 'pretty' ways to say it.

This is a perfect, desperate example.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at October 4, 2006 4:01 PM

If things look too good to be true - they probably are.

I think this guy is trying to curry favour with Brits and muslims alike.After all he is still acknowledging muslims.

Perhaps there shouldn't be any muslim schools.Let them teach their kids at their own expense and in their own time because no one in their right mind would send a kid to an islamic school.Imagine being taught dhimmitude at such an early age! A bit like Sunday Schools,,,

Each day it gets worse and worse: too depressing!

Posted by: Gramfan at October 4, 2006 4:56 PM

OOOOooops..sorry I didn't mean that Sunday Schools were a bad thing. Went to a few myself!

I meant it to sound like muslims should teach their kids in their own time.
In my day if you wanted your kids to get extra religious instruction they went to Sunday schools.

Here in OZ we have many Greeks and they set up Greek schools on Saturdays to preserve their culture. (I just can't remember if they got government funding for this).

But again, we come back to the fact that other religious and ethinic groups - call them ghettos for want of a better word - do not produce home-grown terrorists.

Posted by: Gramfan at October 4, 2006 5:03 PM

So what's the solution for the UK? Is the BNP
the only hope? Isn't there another party that
acknowledges the problems yet, or some
candidates in one of the major ones who does?

Sorry, this Cameron idea is simply daft.

Posted by: root_cause at October 4, 2006 5:10 PM

"The U.S. should close its borders, deport non American Muslims, and let the bloody Europe go down the drain.
Posted by: atheling at October 4, 2006 03:24 PM"

I do not think that is a good idea.
If Islam gets hold of the British and French Nuclear armoury, many will feel the heat even across the pond.

Don't let it happen.

Posted by: pr126 at October 4, 2006 5:40 PM

"If Islam gets hold of the British and French Nuclear armoury, many will feel the heat even across the pond."

If it comes to that then we will have to bomb them, just as Churchill bombed the French Navy before the Nazis got control of it.

Posted by: atheling at October 4, 2006 5:56 PM

americaningermany:

It'll be much harder to deport any American citizen, no matter what religion. Not that I'm against deporting Muslim Ameican citizens, but I don't know how we'll be able to do it.

Posted by: atheling at October 4, 2006 5:58 PM

all of the islamic schools in britain are located in inner city areas, which are for the most part quite poor.

So Cameron's idea will result in poor working class non-muslims ending up in Islamic schools, where they will be "reverted" to Islam.

sorry David. wont work. and will make the problem even bigger.

The simple answer is - ban Islamic schools. period.

Posted by: archduke at October 4, 2006 6:15 PM

Atheling, a natural born American citizen cannot be deported under present law and the Constitution. A naturalized citizen can but it is a loooong process including revocation hearings appeals etc etc. It is only very slightly easier to deport a permanent resident.

Posted by: Pelayo at October 4, 2006 6:18 PM

Dont discount Cameron or the Tories yet
they are tough on immigration
when labour gained power in 1997 the following years saw the following rises in immigration
1998 150 percent
1999 180 percent more than 1998
2000 218 percent more than 1999
2001 147 percent more than 2000
2002 183 percent more than 2001
in 1996 just over 20,000 claimed assylum Labour came in and it rose to over 50,000 in the last few years over a million illegals arrives
if the tories were in it would have stayed at much lower levels

Posted by: Churchill1939 at October 4, 2006 6:25 PM

Deport non American Muslims?

Just which muslims are really American?

Deport ALL muslims, regardless of so-called citizenship, NOW!

Muslims Hate America and Europe! They have NO LOYALTIES with US!!!!!

They are not loyal to America, Europe or any other non-muslim country.

THEY do NOT belong in our countries!

DEPORT ALL MUSLIMS NOW!

It is the only way we will survive!!!!!!!!

Posted by: americaningermany at October 4, 2006 05:54 PM

____________________________

Althought I can understand the sentiments; to be honest the first thing that springs into my mind after reading that post is the horrible round-up and execution of the Jews in Germany during W.W.II.

Mass deportation won't happen in the U.S. I think the better idea is get rid of political correctness and insist in the States and in Europe on immigrants meeting certain standards. These standards would be: English as a spoken language, comphrension of constitution and other state documents, a pledge of loylty to the country wherein one is residing and a promise to obey the laws of the land and to be respectful of other religions. If there ia a violation then deportation.

Posted by: Monkeywho at October 4, 2006 6:38 PM

Pelayo,

Thank you. I suspected as much.

Monkeywho,

If a dirty bomb went off in a major American city by the hands of Muslim Americans I bet they'd find a way to start deporting and rounding up for internment camps.

Posted by: atheling at October 4, 2006 6:56 PM

The words or sentences entirely in capital letters, the series of exclamation points, the sentiments expressed without argument, do not convince. But a sober recounting of the Benes Decree, or that particular decree that led to the expulsion of 3.5 million ethnic Germans, or Sudeteners, from Czechoslovakia after the war, by the government of Benes and Masaryk, merely the largest of the expulsions of ethnic Germans undertaken in many states of eastern and central Europe, should be taken in, should be pondered. Not all expulsions are illegitimate. No one thought at the time, and very few have thought since, that the Czechs were wrong to have done what they did -- or, for that matter, other states doing similar things, in order to prevent ever again a domestic security threat from those whose loyalty was owed, it was reasonable to conclude, to Germany and to Deutschtum.

Leave out the exclamation points. Hold the capitals. Make the point otherwise. And then others will listen.

Posted by: Hugh at October 4, 2006 7:37 PM

'If a dirty bomb went off in a major American city by the hands of Muslim Americans I bet they'd find a way to start deporting and rounding up for internment camps.'

I'm not at all sure of this. We've already had attacks on New York, London, Madrid, Bombay, Bali, etc, and as far as I know not a single Mohammedan has been deported yet. The governments in the West are still convinced that 'a tiny minority of extremists' is responsible, and until we can convince them that the root cause is Islam itself, this will not change.

Cameron has lost my vote by even considering Mohammedan schools, the other two major parties are no better, and I don't want to vote for racists.

Someone needs to set up a viable patriotic party, one that WILL start internment and deportation of these invaders. Such a party would romp home in the next election.

Posted by: Aardvark at October 4, 2006 8:31 PM

It is my opinion that every day in the UK more and more people sacrifice their freedoms on the altar of political correctness, sacrifice their freedoms, in other words, on the very altar which the moslems have hijacked to their own nefarious and evil ends. This mohammedanism which we see today in Britain is adept at using the very institutions of our state, the very way that we have chosen, as Britons, to express our democratic impulses, as weapons against us and against our freedoms.

Due to their presence and their actions we free Britons are now having to face up to the possibility that we will have to carry identity cards which will track our every movement and record the same on a government computer; we are having to face the possibility that our government will seek, in the near future, to DNA test all of the population; we are having to acknowledge that unelected officials will soon have the legal right to subject even the most intimate moments of our private lives to scrutiny. Terrorists may damage our society in ways which not one of us could possibly imagine - worse, they play right into the hands of our politicians and our civil service and the absolutist tendencies of both.

These wretched moslem people present in our society today, indoctrinated since birth with the evil death-cult that is islam, are having a profound effect on our historic freedoms - chipping away at them day-by-day, eroding them week-by-week, destroying us and our society by a slow drip-feed of bile and poison: all with the willing connivance of our politicians, government and civil service - and they are sowing discord and confusion amongst us and making us doubt the viability, the robustness, the fit-for-purposeness, of all of our carefully-crafted-over-centuries societal structures simply because they have convinced the willing stupid that there is some sort of moral equivalence between islam and any other value system that you care to name when no such equivalence, nor a belief in such an equivalence, if examined and reasoned through carefully, can possibly be justified.

Then, hey presto, along comes the leader of Her Majesty's Opposition who, with a few well crafted phrases, carefully constructed periods, rodomontade of the first order, persuades you to abandon all your critical thinking and hard-won knowledge about islam in favour of an unworkable, and undesirable, panaceae - multi-cultural education. It isn't a question, in this case, of the emperor having no clothes; it is simply about the emperor having not been able to find any new clothes. It's the same old, tired, stale and failed, ignorant about islam, stupid multi-cultural approach dressed up in a gleaming, brand new coat of paint and given the Cameron deep-varnished gloss. Tell me, people, does this not remind you of what happened twelve years ago with a different party under a different brand-new, boyish-looking leader.

This is nothing but vacuous empty-headed language concealing precisely nothing, because, in the final analysis, Mr. Cameron has nothing to conceal. He knows nothing about jihad; he knows nothing about islam; he knows nothing about the threat to freedom that islamists pose. He is ill-read and under-informed. Much worse, oh so very much worse, he doesn't want to be informed. He is interested in only one thing - power. His clarion call is "look at me, I'm an ordinary Conservative, you can trust me, I won't change anything, vote for me, vote for me, vote for me, vote for me..."

Roughly translated - "give me power, give me power, give me power, give me power..."

Then this. Make sure that at least 25% of pupils in moslem schools are non-moslem. NO. A thousand times NO. Once more - NO.

Instead let us look at what he should have said. He should have said that he will close moslem schools and distribute the children of moslems throughout the education system, forcibly if necessary. He should have said that he understands the nature of the jihad being waged against us and that he would use the state education system to weaken the grip of the dead-hand of fatalistic islam on the pliable minds of the young. He should have said that we must stand up for our values and that we have a right to inculcate all the young of this country, regardless of religious affiliation, with the precepts of freedom as we understand them and with the fundamentals of democracy as we have evolved them and as we understand them.

However, he said none of these things. He caved in to islam. Make no mistake here - he caved in to islam. Through ignorance? Probably. Through fear? Almost certainly. Through cowardice? You bet. Through intellectual laziness? Obviously. Through the usual stupidity of politicians? No doubt about it. Through that peculiar cupidity for power that affects all western politians at the moment? Definitely.

Don't be misled. Cameron is no better, and probably no worse, than any other politician. But the things he is NOT are a visionary, or an originator of new ideas, or a thinker of new thoughts, or a saviour of British civilisation (if such a thing can be said to exist), or a clear thinker about islam. No, he is none of these things. He is just the same old tired, stale and failed, mouthing of political stupidities seeker after power for his own self-gratification as all the other so-called leaders which have bedevilled British society and its politics for the last forty years have been.

Under Cameron the problem of islam will not be solved - indeed, it will probably get worse.

Dominic.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at October 4, 2006 10:25 PM

OK, have Islamic schools, but make Robert's books the core of the curriculum.

Posted by: Brett_McS at October 4, 2006 10:43 PM

This is a ridiulous idea, by those who have never had their children intimitated by muslim kids.
In my Class we had only one, yes just one muslim kid.
Netherless , he had no qualms in calling me a 'dirty jew' in the playground everyday.
Finally i got the courage to punch him in the mouth but i missed and hit his nose, which bled profusely.
Even after i explained what happened, the teacher told my parents to take me to another school as i was being expelled.
To my surprise, the AMerican Headmaster intervened told the French teacher to shut up and said "madam, rest assured, that i will never allow my school to bow to racism- your child will be safe from now on".
They were the good old times in Paris, thirty five years ago, before the degeneracy moved in.
That's why i would never let my grandkids attend a school today as a small minority amongst muslims.
its OK for Cameron to advocate this when his own kids will never be in such a situation.

Posted by: chevalier de st george at October 5, 2006 12:19 AM

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."

SIR WINSTON CHURCHILL

Churchill must be turning in his grave.

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at October 5, 2006 12:27 AM

At the time when he used to intervene in discussions about a cease-fire, Tony Blair was referrred to as the "naive eejit" by the IRA when talking among themselves. After his decision to back Muslim schools with state finance, I began to see their point.

Posted by: wallyUK at October 5, 2006 12:39 AM

In my Class we had only one, yes just one muslim kid. Netherless , he had no qualms in calling me a 'dirty jew' in the playground everyday. Finally i got the courage to punch him in the mouth but i missed and hit his nose, which bled profusely. Posted by: chevalier de st george

You are one of my heroes today - someone who stood up to a Mohammedan and gave him a bloody nose. Regardless of whether you had stayed in that school or not, one would think that Achmet learnt his lesson.

If only all pols worldwide had your guts...

Posted by: Infidel Pride at October 5, 2006 12:47 AM

Dont discount Cameron or the Tories yet
Posted by: Churchill1939 at October 4, 2006 06:25 PM

I am afraid I am going to have to do just that, I agree with Dominic when he/she says.

It isn't a question, in this case, of the emperor having no clothes; it is simply about the emperor having not been able to find any new clothes. It's the same old, tired, stale and failed, ignorant about islam, stupid multi-cultural approach dressed up in a gleaming, brand new coat of paint and given the Cameron deep-varnished gloss.

Check this nauseating story to see just how far the Tories have gone in their slide to dhimmitude.

Muslim Police officer refuses to guard Israeli embassy.

http://xrl.us/pcmuslim

From the story

Richard Barnes, a Tory member of the Metropolitan Police Authority, accused senior officers of lacking tact. He said: ‘I think it was crass management in the first place. They should have recognised there could have been a problem and not suggested this officer be posted at this embassy.’

The Tories are just as bad as any of the other mainstream multiculti parties. It is just plain ignorence of what Islam actually is.

The only political party in the UK that recognizes the state of war we are in is the BNP.

Posted by: km at October 5, 2006 1:47 AM

David Cameron doesn't have a clue what's going on. He is weak and ineffectual. He is not going to be the strong leader Britain needs at this critical time. He said: ... Islam is one of the great religions of the world; and Muslims make a fantastic contribution to our country."

People who come out with these trite, unsubstantiated remarks don't deserve to be taken seriously.

What exactly are these "fantastic contributions"? That's what I'd like to know. I wish someone could elucidate. I would especially like to hear about these contributions from the leaders and potential leaders making the assertions.

It's easy to say silly things like that; but it is far, far harder to prove the assertions.

His speech yesterday to the Conservative Party Conference, to the party faithful, was drivel! His leadership skills cannot be compared with Churchill's or Thatcher's. Now they were true leaders!

It is a Churchill we need at this time, not a Cameron. Churchill stirred people to action against the enemy. This guy, Cameron, doesn't even recognize who the enemy is!

Cameron used to pride himself as being a "media tart'. The way he played to the gallery yesterday, it doesn't look as though he's changed that much.

I'm sorry to say that Cameron is conceited and shallow. Conceit and shallowness are two things I have no time for.

Britain could always depend on the Conservative Party to kick up the leader Britain needed in difficult times. It has gone badly wrong in selecting this man. They have chosen him for all the wrong reasons. They wanted someone telegenic to be able to compete with Blair. The joke is that he won't be competing with Blair now anyway. It looks as if he'll be competing with Gordon Brown. Now there's nothing telegenic about him, as we all know.

The Conservative Party should have stuck to being conservative in their choice of leader. If Cameron becomes prime minister, I doubt that I shall be able to sleep easy at night. Blair has been enough to give any sane person nightmares. Now we have the prospect of Cameron on top of him. All I can say is: God help us all!

Posted by: Mark Alexander at October 5, 2006 2:53 AM

Mark: "great contributions?" have you ever heard of the fruit called a date, and what about camel urin for medicinal purposes. Don't forget about solid state technology. And they did invent the automobile.

Posted by: mustang65 at October 7, 2006 12:33 PM