The BBC frequently turns to MPACUK for comment. We need to ensure that their true agenda becomes more widely understood - get the message out on the MSM blogs etc...

Posted by: Null at October 7, 2006 5:56 PM

OTP but the alert obsever looking at the BBC news video will notice in the looped strapline at the bottom of the screen, a reference to an honour killing as part of the day's headlines.
An unusual form of phenomenon, it seems to have been a case of one family trying to wipe out another one, and was particularly unpleasant since the only death was that of a little girl. The cause of the murder - a few phonecalls and meetings in a park - is typically trivial, and one of the victims hightailing back to the subcontinent and then disappearing seems to be a common feature of these crmes.
see:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/4799576.stm

Posted by: wallyUK at October 7, 2006 6:45 PM

sorry, in last sentence, that should have read: "one of the suspects" not "one of the victims"

Posted by: wallyUK at October 7, 2006 6:47 PM

PAGING UNICORN

I read this on your blog

About 3 months ago, they beheaded 12 Nepalese hindus
In response, muslims in Nepal got a 'Gujurat type reprisal'
( about 30000 Nepalese muslims got ethnic cleansed by Nepalese hindu mobs )

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can you please give details, cos I haven't found such a thing (nepalese reprisal)

any other hindu here is free to reply.

Posted by: StillFedUp at October 7, 2006 6:47 PM

At risk of being tiresome, I'm afraid the honour killing killing link, given above, was out of date: most recent one is:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/england/west_midlands/5410858.stm
sorry (again)

Posted by: wallyUK at October 7, 2006 7:04 PM

On one of the Aussie 'blogs yesterday almost everyone agreed with Jack Straw.

Some suggested that being totally veiled could be a security issue.

Someone then jokingly added there could even be a male under the burka.That in fact this could well be how OBL gets around unnoticed.

Well,,to my surprise another poster added that his mate in the UK who is a nurse, had in fact, 2 such cases of either "women with balls", or men! And this was a very recent occurence.
Here is the link.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/straw_is_no_burka/

Just noticed this:

Yikes!! the cabbies in Melbourne are going nuts also!!
http://www.news.com.au/sundayheraldsun/story/0,21985,20544559-661,00.html

Posted by: Gramfan at October 7, 2006 7:22 PM

If British politicians should not be allowed to comment on Muslim affairs Muslims should not be allowed to comment on non Muslim affairs it works both ways. But the Muslims like to interfere in British affairs, they love to poke their big noses in where they are not wanted just because they know they are not wanted.

Posted by: IceDragon at October 7, 2006 8:23 PM

IceDragon

This sounds awfully like a separatist/seccessionist type of comment if you take it to its logical conclusion.In fact they are vitually stating that they do not come under British law. Am I wrong? Or do you think this is where they are heading?

Worse still they seem to be doing it everywhere.

Posted by: Gramfan at October 7, 2006 8:44 PM

MPACUK eh?

Well, I visit their site regularly to see what they are saying (hold your friends close; hold your enemies closer), and there is a "Senior Activist" who signs off every one of his posts with the tag line:

"These chimps have no idea who they're dealing with"

I just thought you all ought to know that.

One day, one day ... I'll bump into him. Then I'll teach him that we may not know WHO we're dealing with, but we do know how to deal with him. One day, one day ...

Who's going to join me in Trafalgar Square on the 28th when they have their big Islamic get-together? Bacon butties and tinnies all round? Sound good?

No trouble, just bacon butties. Oh ok - and a couple of pork chops if you like.

Posted by: Sir Henry Morgan at October 7, 2006 9:11 PM

"...That in fact this could well be how OBL gets around unnoticed..."

Highly doubtful as OBL is about 6'4" - 6'6"...he would be clearly identifiable. I don't think there are many Muslim women that tall.

And the fact they do not want Straw to comment only proves they are unwilling to integrate since we must all learn to respect all opinions.

Posted by: McCain2008 at October 7, 2006 9:15 PM

Free speech, a creation of the West, is not allowed to the English in England, just to the Muslims, who don't allow free speech in their own countries. Hmm, sharia must be almost in place in England. It may be time for those oppressed Britons to come to the New World as they did in the 1600's to gain some freedom.

I think someone in England needs to tell those idiots to shut the hell up and if they don't like it they can go back to their home cesspools and drown in them.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at October 7, 2006 10:54 PM

StillFedUp,
Not Hindu, but here's something. No mention of mass murder of Muslims by Hindus though.

http://www.nepalnews.com/archive/2006/sep/sep01/news08.php

http://www.nepalnews.com/archive/2006/others/guestcolumn/jan/guest_columns_jan06_16.php

Posted by: non-redneck at October 8, 2006 12:50 AM

Last night, the BBC did one of those "ask the public for their opinion" efforts on the street.
One young idiot had the audacity to say "Why should we accept 'British values' when we have better ones of our own?" Why, oh why will the authorities not deal with these unwanted, hostile morons?

Posted by: Sencit at October 8, 2006 1:03 AM

Gramfan/

Thanks for the links. What can one say - excepting why are there so many moslem cab drivers in Melbourne?

Oh, dear God, how much longer are we going to have to put up with this?

Dominic.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at October 8, 2006 1:36 AM

Gramfan/

You missed this one...

This dogs owner, Brendan Powning, must be Muslim.

He exhibits no responsibility for the animal, just as a Muslim male exhibits no responsibility for a Muslim female. The animal (Muslin woman) only gets out of its cage (home) when accompanied by his/her Master. Always on the inside, looking out.

In both cases, how sad...

see link:

http://www.news.com.au/sundayheraldsun/story/0,21985,20543063-661,00.html

Posted by: SCV at October 8, 2006 2:08 AM

I HAVE POSTED THIS BEFORE - THIS THING STINKS!

Jack Straw has represented Blackburn since 1979 and the Muslim vote makes the difference between him winning and loosing his seat. He is a lawyer so you can bet your bottom dollar he has covered himself with the local Muslims before opening his mouth. He is a senior member of the Government with "Strong links" to the Muslim community.

Ask yourself why is he saying this after 27 years? How many veiled women will he see? Many Muslim women veiled or otherwise are not even allowed to vote let alone visit their MP.

This has to be connected to something else and with "New Labour" it can't be in the majority interest.

PS In case you are wondering how Muslim women "vote" one "Asian" Councillor said "In our community the head of the family votes for everyone" - often by using postal votes.

Posted by: Fred at October 8, 2006 2:53 AM

Dominic

I have no idea why there are so many muslim cab drivers here.Possibly they have no other skills? I know quite a few are Turkish and they were among the first muslim immigrants here.

However I have had Pakistanis and Somali - looking ones also. One of the drivers I know well, as I try to use a private service when I can, told me that they rort the system. They change drivers amongst themselves, especially the Pakistanis, to keep the cab on the road 24/7, and have no idea of the local geography i.e. you have to give them directions!
All drivers are required to have a photo ID. Some don't and then I almost panic! Most are called "Abdul"!!

SCV
Thanks for the link.
Obvioulsy this guy isn't a muslim. This area where he lives is a very Jewish suburb, and he isn't Jewish either going by his name.

I thought muslims didn't like dogs as they are "unclean", not quite they way they see their women?? They are just "not there"!Under a tent a lot!

There have always been people who are cruel to animals, all over the place.
I agree - it is sad.

Posted by: Gramfan at October 8, 2006 3:09 AM

Ask yourself why is he saying this after 27 years? How many veiled women will he see? Many Muslim women veiled or otherwise are not even allowed to vote let alone visit their MP.

posted by Fred

Why do you think this is the case, Fred?
And the voting method? They should not be allowed to get away with this. Subverting the law IMHO.

Something definitley isn't kosher here!

Posted by: Gramfan at October 8, 2006 3:14 AM

Gramfan

I don't know why but,

1. You do not trust lawyer's
2. You do not trust politicians
3. You do not trust New Labour

So you certainly do not trust a lawyer who is a New Labour politician. Senior politicians just do not make controversial statements without it having a purpose and calculating the response. So what is it? It has to be something more than veils at personal meetings which as I said is almost a non-problem for him.

Posted by: Fred at October 8, 2006 5:05 AM

Fred
thanks for that! It is great we have this forum to discuss these issures.

I don't trust lawyers either - my brother-in-law is one of them,lol!(he doesn't deal in civil liberty cases,,thankfully.)

I truly appreciate the global input.I see this forum as a wonderful way to get us all together.

And who ever trusted politicians???
However so far I am thinking our our Prime Minister John Winston Howard, is doing well. But then again he has probably had input from the US and UK.

I will just mention:
I am not Aussie born - born in Florence, Italy after WW2, but came with new immigrants in the 40'50's to OZ,.,,yes I am an oldie,lol!

I was in the US on 9/11 - in AZ.

Okay,,I am old enough to remember many incidents that are mentioned here,,,eg,,Munich, the terrorist plane hijackings,,all that shit. I know many holocaust survivors.

I have no particular religious affiliation: I believe God created man,,,,and man continually strives for higher goals.

These higher goals are the gifts of God,,,so when someone mentions stem cell research I believe God gave us the brains for all these advances.
Religiously I think Judaism and Christianity are good. One of our posters, Arjun Sevak has led me to have a look at Eastern creeds, and thanks to Arjun:)))

PLEASE NOTE:

I am not anti-religion. I believe in freedom primarily, and especially the right to live in PEACE.

May religions support these ideals: Islam does not!

Fred,,have a god weekend, Mate!!
(as we say here in OZ!)

Posted by: Gramfan at October 8, 2006 6:10 AM

Well if it is'nt OBL then it might be, eeeeeek Michael Jackson!!!

Posted by: eloivsdiablo at October 8, 2006 6:24 AM

eloivsdiablo
Better MJ's thriller, tham OBL's terror!!

Posted by: Gramfan at October 8, 2006 6:49 AM

Ref my previous posts.

In a long article in todays Sunday Times, Simon Jenkins writes,

"What happened (last week) was that Straw decided to go public. He wrote a column about burqas knowing it would cause a stir."

"He is a practised politician and we can assume that his motives were not confined to the courtesies of his surgery"

"a mild distancing from the war (in Iraq etc.) and a mild put down to Muslims are tactical decisions."

Basicaly he also thinks the ba****d is up to something, probably deputy party leadership or higher in the post Blair order.

Posted by: Fred at October 8, 2006 10:08 AM

Gramfan

I do indeed see that we are heading in exactly that way. It will one day not be up to who has the more influence in the political process but who is the strongest in number and how those numbers are used. Even as we speak the higher birth rate of the Islamic community is providing the numbers, not for the benefit of the individual families but for the ultimate goal of putting Islam in a commanding demographic lead.
Separation today will be the ruling elite of tomorrow, the example of the Lebanon is a perfect illustration of a Muslim minority squeezing the Christian majority into enclaves within their own country. Muslim ghettos spread, non Muslim areas shrink, as the ghettos grow and gradually merge then are no longer ghettos any more.

Posted by: IceDragon at October 8, 2006 1:21 PM

non-redneck

i asked my question only because I found hard to believe that retailation is performed at muslims.

that's all, I only found that some sort of retailation after some indian bombed train caused the death of 2000 muslims , but it's nowhere the number 30000 i read in nepal.

Anyway one more proof that other groups don't retailate, unfortunately.

Posted by: StillFedUp at October 8, 2006 3:15 PM

Fred, re Straw's motives: he's simply jostling for position in the race to fill the soon-to-be-vacated posts of leader and deputy leader of New Labour. He's trying to present himself as Man of the People in the hope of gaining votes from non-Muslims.

Posted by: Observer at October 9, 2006 12:00 AM