Is Eritrea an Islamic country? Looks like it ain't an OIC member. Also, why did they secede from Ethiopia - making that country lose its coastline - is it another India-Pakistan or Israel-Palestine story??

Another 'ally', no doubt

Posted by: Infidel Pride at October 20, 2006 1:48 AM

Yup, Rosie O'Donnell is right. Those evil Christians are just as bad as the Muslims.

Posted by: atheling at October 20, 2006 2:06 AM

Unbelievable! Oh and Rosie O'Donnell is a moron.

Posted by: EliasAlucard at October 20, 2006 2:09 AM

How is it that such f*cking monsters have so much arrogance and pride? These people are monsters, heartless, worse than scum monsters... F8ck them, their spastic gawd and the camel they rode in on!
I spit on them all -- Ptooee!

http://jchannel.blogspot.com/2006/09/go-your-camels.html

Posted by: Kemaste at October 20, 2006 3:04 AM

There is only ONE way to deal with Muslims, and I mean ALL MUSLIMS

Either they moderate or they die.

Just maybe the supposed apostasy of moderation will seem a lot more attractive than death and if it doesn't then...too bad!!

I do doubt it but you must offer an escape route to be fair.

It is time to STOP pandering to the appetite of the monster and instead, time to destroy it.

This post will be deleted as it is regarded as a crime here to do other than to kiss the islamic backside. Okay to talk about their cimes but not to talk about giving them what they deserve.

Posted by: MisIslamist at October 20, 2006 4:52 AM

I thought that Eritrea was roughly half Muslim and half Christian.
Has there been a change in course?

Posted by: rocky at October 20, 2006 6:25 AM

I'm really starting to think that the only ones who can keep these savages under control are dictators. Did this sort of thing happen when Mussolini ran the place? Look at Tunisia-hardly a democracy but they keep their Islamaniacs under control. Even Iraq WITH Saddam is looking mighty good now. The West has really become weak looking with its pie in the sky belief that it can bring democracy to these nuts. We really have become what Hitler and Stalin once perceived us to be-mushy headed.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at October 20, 2006 7:49 AM

Robert - Please take this story down from your website.

The government of Eritrea is not Muslim but Marxist. It persecutes both Christians and Muslims. Some Eritrean Muslims have been held in secret incommunicado detention for years on suspicion of links with an Islamist armed opposition group operating from Sudan.

Posted by: Zinc at October 20, 2006 7:58 AM

Zinc is correct. What is more, not only are half Eritreans Christian, but the Marxist leadership is of Coptic Christian origin. The tyrant of Eritrea, Issaias Afewerki, has a very Christian name indeed - Afewerk is one of the most common Ethiopian Christian names. This article is nonsense. What is taking place is the attempt by the Marxist state to standardize religion under five permitted bodies: Catholics, Lutherans, Copts (the largest), Shias and Sunnis, all penetrated and run by the State in the time-honoured KGB way. The Coptic world, in the middle of all the injustices it suffers, is astounded and horrified at how the government brazenly replaced the ruling Coptic Patriarch with a creature of its own, and terrified the Synod into acquaintance. Christian influence is predominant among the Tigrinya, who are the ruling tribe in Eritrea (an artificial country resulting from Italian colonial conquests) and in the capital Massawa. You should not insist on calling this a Muslim story, because it is not. I already warned you of your mistake in the past.

Posted by: Paolo at October 20, 2006 8:31 AM

Oh, and by the way, the offence these gentlemen committed is to belong to a church not recognized by the State. Such stories are commonplace in Eritrea, and Aid to the Church in Need, the Barnabas Fund and the Coptic websites will give you dozens of them. Unfortunately, the militants who heroically fought and defeated Ethiopian rule in Eritrea have metamorphosized into the worst oppressors and most ferocious Marxists on the African continent.

Posted by: Paolo at October 20, 2006 8:33 AM

Eritrea is a Christian country. However, Muslims make up around 40% of the population and jihadists are waging war against the government of Isaias Afwerki. Because of this, the security services are paranoid about anything that is perceived as splitting the Christian community. Therefore non-recognized sects are severely supressed.

Posted by: Provoslavni at October 20, 2006 8:56 AM

Mark my words--the Islamists in their attempt to humiliiate/injure/torture/kill/maim the Christian faithful, they are showing what their religion is all about--this will WILL ACTUALLY INCREASE CHRISTIAN CONVERSIONS.

These are the true kind of martyrs--those who WILL NOT RENOUNCE THE TRUE MESSIAH OR BACK DOWN TO ANYONE WHO TELLS THEM TO GIVE UP THEIR FAITH--not the Islamist type of "martyrs???"--those who blow themselves up to kill others--.

May G-d raise up a hundred fold more true Christans for these who gave the ultimate witness as true martyrs who will stand faithful unto death UNDER ANY ASSAULT in this African land and in every country where they are attacked and persecuted!

Religious imperatives---hmmmm

Islam = convert to Islam or we will kill you

Christianity = believe the gospel or you will die alone in your sins separated from G-d.

Now which is G-d's way, which is barbarism?

Posted by: BB at October 20, 2006 9:56 AM

BB... wonderfully altruitic and very christian but not very practial. If you look at the conquest of all once christian countries in Africa and the Middle East where christiniaty was a lot more dedicated than it is now you will see that loving christian pacifism simply made it easier for the Islamic scum to conquer them.

You MUST learn the lesson that applies to conflicts with enemies who have NO conscience: they see pacifism and altruism only as weaknesses to be ruthlessly exploited. Neihter Ghandi or JC would have lasted 10 secs in Nazi germany or the USSR or the Caliphate.

To illustrate my point just go read a few WW2 biographies about combat vs the Japanese and then go read about the einsatzgruppen and how 120 nazis could kill 5000 jews 10 at a time, The jews offere NO resisiatnce at all and they ALL died.

I can admire yr determination to place ethics first but love of yr fellow man will never attract as many converts as will houris and booty and it is time that people like you realised this.

Posted by: MisIslamist at October 20, 2006 10:56 AM

I'm afraid MisIslamist is correct. Having the "high ground" only means having plenty of space to bury the victims of those who rejected their good intentions.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at October 20, 2006 12:01 PM

MisIslamist is not correct.

"...love of your fellow man will never attract as many converts as will houris and booty and it is time that people like you realized that."

It already did attract millions and millions of converts; it was in the form of Christianity and many people died rather than give up their faith in Jesus Christ and His message that the world could be a better place and people could live where men would love their neighbor. This mentality produced some of the most beautiful art, music, cathedrals, prestigious universities and libraries, and some of the most charitable orphanages, hospitals, schools, and institutions to care for the poor, the elderly and the imprisoned. (Think Boys Town and the institutions set up to teach troubled boys a trade and how to become men, by St. John Bosco.) Many prominent people died for this idea including Thomas Beckett, Sir Thomas More, Maxamilian Kolbe, Edith Stein (all saints,) not to mention St.Paul, who at first persecuted the church but then realized his mistake and defended it with his life, and almost all the apostles, who preached the Gospel all over the known world at the time and died defending the faith. These are just a few of the millions of human beings that died so that others may live with and for the truth.

We may live in a post-Christian world and we may be reaping the consequences of abandoning our faith, but make no mistake that the idea has appealed to the human mind and heart in the past and there were many people who were willing to die for a chance to live that kind of life. What is booty and the delusion that you will get laid whenever you want for all eternity compared to living and knowing the truth and treating your neighbor how you would like to be treated and being treated accordingly in return?

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at October 20, 2006 3:55 PM

Isabellathecrusader,
Very well said!

The kind of reasoning MisIslamist puts forth seems eerily similar to the violent jihad ideology islam professes.

A difference exists between naive pacifism of both secular and Christian liberal thought and the authentic Christian virtue of hope for world peace and love.

Posted by: adobe at October 20, 2006 7:11 PM

Thanks Adobe,

I'm just sick and tired of listening to some of the bullshit here. Some wisenhymer who has a beef with the church posts their "wisdom" as if it is law and everybody backs down because they are not sure they know how to or if they can, debate it. I've found that the people who spew this garbage have nothing to back up their argument so from now on, I've got nothing to lose to tell the truth. Heck, I've got Islam staring me in the face. What fear I a little former believer with a bone to pick?

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at October 20, 2006 10:43 PM

Dear Isabella...at it again I see. Looks like another round of time wasting in answering your post which as usual, totally misses the point...and by a large amount. This is NOT the first time that you have gone off "half cocked" and not the first time that I have been forced to answer yr "posts".

Equally, I am sick of the pious bull effluent from people like you who it seems make NO attempt to read what it is that they think that they are answering. I actually feel embarrassed for you as you are so far off.

However, you have forced me to dissect yr post, so:

Quote:"It already did....ad infin....truth"

I totally agree with this paragraph and being a lover of church music, an appreciator of architecture and art I can see no problem with this at all.
I am fully aware of what the Christian religion has done for western man and my only criticism is that it was MAN who did this in the name of his love for his God and even without the hindrance of organised religion he would have found ways to express it, I mention organised religion as ti myself it is simply evil man;s ways of forcing his views onto the teachings of his prophet(in this case JC). All the crimes of the christian Church can be placed only at man's door not JC's.

But dear Isabella, what has that to do with my point:"...love of your fellow man will never attract as many converts as will houris and booty and it is time that people like you realized that"?

If you actually READ (ie not glance at) my post it was directed solely at the expectations re the conversion of Muslims to Christianity NOW and has nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity in any way at all.

Let me look at yr next paragraph: We....in return?"
I roughly agree with this (not all as it is a little confused) but again its relevance
in the context of what I posted is totally invisible to me and I daresay everyone else.

Let me then look at Adobe's post:" The kind of reasoning MisIslamist puts forth seems eerily similar to the violent jihad ideology Islam professes.
A difference exists between naive pacifism of both secular and Christian liberal thought and the authentic Christian virtue of hope for world peace and love".

This is wonderfully naive pacifistic Christianity at its worst. However I totally agree that what I am saying is may be related to the practices of the jihadists. In fact it is a direct response to the Koran and the practices of Islam over near 1400 yrs.

If people like you had control of our governments then it would have been all over a long time ago. I admire JC's teachings, I always have. I see him as a perfect man re virtue. But I also see him as a naive person who assumes that all men are inherently good and that is a mistake. In fact as, the first 100 years of Islam proved it was a FATAL mistake(look up how and why the North African and Middle Eastern Christian countries were overwhelmed in this period).

Now I would love to live in a world where everyone obeys JC's teachings but plainly a large percentage do not and it is these people that really love pacifism in their enemies as it makes them so easy to overwhelm. You CANNOT win the heart of an evil man with love it does not work and when that evil is in the form of another supposed religion then there is even less chance.

I won’t go on here as this is now a common theme here but fools like you have no idea and are the willing dupes in the destruction of western society.
You cannot win the hearts and minds of people who hate you. You can only FORCE them to show that expression of this hate comes with a price. Easy to see that neither of you were frontline soldiers.

Now I will look at Isabella's self congratulations: "I'm just sick and tired of listening to some of the bullshit here. Some wisenheimer who has a beef with the church posts their "wisdom" as if it is law and everybody backs down because they are not sure they know how to or if they can, debate it. I've found that the people who spew this garbage have nothing to back up their argument so from now on"

I posted all of it as it shows just how little of my post Isabella actually read.

I will finish by saying that I do not advocate violence to all Muslims, only those who fail to act or speak moderately. I do not advocate violence by the individual but IU do advocate that western state implement such laws so as to have weapon to use against these extremists in our midst. However if we have to kill them, all or some, then it is too bad. No one has to like it but it may become necessary.

Posted by: MisIslamist at October 21, 2006 1:00 AM

MisIslamist,

What the hell are you babbling about? I was defending BB against your ignorant assumptions that all Christians are pacifists. You may recall that the Crusaders, who were Christian, were by no means pacifists. And why is it that you seem to assume that when a Christian talks about martyrs you equate that with pacifism? Nothing could be further from the truth.

BB was pointing out the power of martyrdom. It has to do with sacrificing your life to either stand up for Jesus Christ or help another fellow human being. You read it the way you wanted to, not based on what BB said.

As to all the other defensive drivel and self pity I'll say only this, that Christian beliefs are attacked everyday on this site, ususally by fallen away Christians that masquerade as an Agnostic here or and Atheist there, and we get a little sick of the constant digs, especially when we all remember that those of us who live in the United States or Europe know for a fact that our countries were founded on Christian principles. Growing up in the 60's and 70's in the USA the atmosphere was still heavily Christian. Now the people that have decided they are not Christians anymore want the rest of us to pick our marbles and go home. Well, life doesn't work that way.

It's been my experience that many people protest loudly to Christian flavored posts to drown out the din of a guilty conscience. Funny though, in my second post, I wasn't even referring to you because your post seemed merely diassociated, not cruel or nasty like some people post here. I was actually thinking of somebody else when I was talking to Adobe. But then you won't believe me anyway, since you've obviously got me all figured out.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at October 21, 2006 2:25 AM

P.S. If you don't like my posts, feel free to ignore them.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at October 21, 2006 2:25 AM

Isabella,

Once again we waste our time.

you took a quote out of my post and not hers. In fact yr header was:"MisIslamist is not correct" So you fooled everyone including BB.

It also was a very specific quote as it pertained only to her quote:"Mark my words--the Islamists in their attempt to humiliiate/injure/torture/kill/maim the Christian faithful, they are showing
what their religion is all about--this will WILL ACTUALLY INCREASE CHRISTIAN CONVERSIONS"

This clearly does NOT work as those Muslims impressed by the courage and faith of Christians and who thus convert will always be outnumbered by those who see the attraction of Muslim martyrdom and/or booty( a no lose situation).
Otherwise there is NO way that the Islamisation of nth Africa and the ME could have occurred. It was also helped by christian fools who defected in a failed attempt to save lives.

>What the hell are you babbling about? .....Nothing could be further from the
truth.

If you read her post there is NO mention of Nonpacifistic martyrs only those
who refuse to deny their religion in the face of death. Not quite the same thing.

I quote BB:"These are the true kind of martyrs--those who WILL NOT RENOUNCE THE TRUE MESSIAH OR BACK DOWN TO ANYONE WHO TELLS THEM TO GIVE UP THEIR FAITH--not the Islamist type of "martyrs???"--those who blow themselves up to kill others"

>BB was pointing out the power of martyrdom. It has to do with sacrificing your
>life to either stand up for Jesus Christ or help another fellow human being.
>You read it the way you wanted to, not based on what BB said.

It said NOTHING about fighting back or helping yr fellow human being at all, instead it only
mentioned martydom and it by itself is worthless IF YOU HAVE A HATE FILLED ENEMY

>As to all the other , ......................life doesn't work that way.

Tough luck!! By all means believe and use it every day to help yrself and
others as I use it to help others( and I do whatever you may think). I have sworn to defend Christian states and christian principles not because I am christian but because I see it as the backstay to our way of life and I know
the good that it has produced despite the churches.

However I have realised (unlike some of you) that we have to adopt less wholesome tactics and strategies if we are going to defeat a cunning and remorseless enemy. Being a "goody goody" christian with Muslims will simply
make it easier and IF you were really Isabella you would know this automatically.

Is christianity worth the good fight? I think that it is although many of us do not wish bloody hands.

>It's been my experience that many people protest loudly to Christian flavored
>posts to drown out the din of a guilty conscience.
>Funny though, in my second >post, I wasn't even referring to
>you.................... obviously >got me all figured out.

Isabella yr first sentence is rather an extended assumption to be made in any medium let alone this one.I wonder how you thought of that little gem.

While yr reply to Adobe was (whatever you say) based upon his post which was a
congratualtion to you on yr reply to my post> How could I take it otherwise?

But do not let logic impale you.It never has before and I know you to be an implacable opponent here in cyberspace.

All of your pious feelings aside we are supposed to be allies.
Do you really and truly believe that offering Muslims the hand of friendship
and the love of JC will cure the problem?
Please answer thatas history has
proven otherwise so far.
If you do not then we have no argument

Re yr last post:
We have had this "interaction" before in my other incarnation and I know you
well. Just remember: no matter what you say that you said. If you criticise my posts I will reply in like tone and only.

Otherwise I read your bursts of posts
quite often although I find their timing unpredictable as you seem to be the occasional poster .

Posted by: MisIslamist at October 21, 2006 4:51 AM

FOR THE RECORD--MY POINT about true martyrdom WAS/IS--that the true church of Jesus is not confused as to what the main issue of this fallen world is--namely to receive forgiveness of sins through the Messiah, Jesus, and to NEVER waiver in that confession. The true church is not a military kingdom.

Lest anyone be confused, I am not a pacifist--I think politics and governments should be influenced by the pepole to do the right thing and that includes standing up to aggression--Islamic or otherwise--yes with weapons. YET I SEE/SAY THAT THE EFFECT THESE "TRUE MARTYRS" HAVE ON THE SURVIVING PEOPLE WHO SEE/SAW WHAT REALLY HAPPENED WILL OFTEN TURN OUT LIKE SAUL/PAUL--AN ENEMY CAN BE TURNED TO AN APOSTLE. CERTAINLY COWARDS ARE MADE COURAGEOUS TO STAND.

Those who know the Bible know that martyrdom will be very common for Christians and Jews during the coming "70th week of Daniel" which will be signaled by a tragic peace treaty Israel will make with a "Trojan horse" offer of proteCtion from a Bill Clinton type world leader--and it will lead to beheading for many--during this period one specific about this:

This post is way too long--and there is much more to say--but for those who may care--that is why I say--these true martyrs didn't die in vain. Stephen was a leader who arose in the very early Jerusalem church--he would not/COULD NOT back down--the MOST IMPORTANT THING THEN AND NOW IS TO STAND FOR THE TRUTH--and so when he wouldn't back down, we read this:

54When they heard this, they were furious and gnashed their teeth at him. 55But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56"Look," he said, "I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God." 57At this they covered their ears and, yelling at the top of their voices, they all rushed at him, 58dragged him out of the city and began to stone him. Meanwhile, the witnesses laid their clothes at the feet of a young man named Saul. 59While they were stoning him, Stephen prayed, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit." 60Then he fell on his knees and cried out, "Lord, do not hold this sin against them." When he had said this, he fell asleep.

You can get the full context here (if you don't open the NT very often, click on this):
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=acts%207&version=31

The effect then as now on those able to see what happened is like a sword--not a literal sword--but a thing that forces you to get on one side or the other. One irony of this passage is that what happened to Stephen was where we first read of Saul (who became Paul AKA St. Paul)supervising the stoning. When G-d kocked him off his horse--he pecame the faith's most prolific evangelist of all time--fueled largely by his memory of how wrong he had been previously.

Posted by: BB at October 21, 2006 11:54 AM

Zinc,
You are correct. Not only does this story have nothing to do with Islam, the circumstances surrounding the two men's deaths may not be different than what is reported. I'm trying to get through to a friend in Asmera but haven't been able to reach her. If I find out more, I'll post it.

Posted by: Provoslavni at October 21, 2006 12:46 PM

Oops: "may or may not be different"

Posted by: Provoslavni at October 21, 2006 12:47 PM

MisIslamist,

I don't know what your main beef with me is as your posts ramble on and on, taking puzzling twists and turns, never seeming to arrive at a conclusion that relates to where you started. It does seem that I touched a raw nerve in you, otherwise you wouldn't be so defensive. You are correct in that we need to be allies here. But if you continue to misrepresent Christianity as you do with the little bombs you drop here and there in the midst of what otherwise might be considered an elegant speech, I will call you on it every time.

You know, I really have to thank you. I hesitate here sometimes to express the whole of what I'm thinking because of the politically correct atmosphere we've all been enslaved in for the past several years. But no more.

It's funny how you see the splinter in my eye but take no notice of the log in your own. You seem to like to add your little digs about the church into your posts, I guess to get a rise out of people or maybe as an affirmation to repeat to yourself how the church done you wrong. But then you never point out any of the positive things that the church has done which makes your posts deliberately deceitful. You bring up the joy that Christians received while watching heretics burn. Oh really, were you there? How do you know that the Christians enjoyed that? Were there contemporaries who left that information to us in some sort of extant publication? Or did you just surmise that from something you read and now pass it off here as Gospel?

And where is your evidence that this is going on in the Christian Church today? It isn't, is it. So you have to go back to the Middle Ages to find an example of bad behavior in the church and then you want to compare that to the daily ritualistic slaughter that is affecting every corner of our world in the name of Islam and some how get us to believe it's the same thing. Please, give me and everyone here a break.

You also said that you have answered my posts before this. Funny, I've never noticed your name here before yesterday. But you obviously haven't read them if you try to tell me that I'm a pacifist. Nothing could be further from tha truth and everyone who reads my posts here knows that.

I think you who are non-Christians that have a beef with religion, and I'm not talking about the other religions here like Hinduism or Buddhism, expect the Christians here to just be nice and quiet and turn the other cheek all the time, which gives you who want to attack the church and religion the upper hand. Well forget it, because Christians understand that there is a time to fight and a time to die. We fight while we can, and we fight to win. Martyrdom becomes the choice when we are cornered with no escape and given the choice to either accept another philosophy or die. Well Jesus Christ matters too much to me and this world doesn't hold that much interest. And we are all going to die someday, and as we get older and that day comes closer, you have to weigh what is really important to you. Make no mistake, I have children that will be here when I'm gone and I fight for them probably more than I do for myself. But if I became captured and forced to choose to live under Islam, which I can find nothing to recommend it, or die as a Christian keeping in mind Jesus' promise that I will rise again with Him and be with Him for eternity, which do you think I would choose?

You act as if Christianity has no value and no bearing on peoples' lives. Well, Western civiliation was built by and on Christianity and while sometimes we are tempted to blame all the ills in society on the church I believe it really has more to do with human nature.

Look at what we've created in the last century. We took prayer out of school and now we are are all aghast that students regularly tell teachers to go to hell and sometime bring guns to school and take out a few classmates. Do you really think that eradicating the Christian message of love your neighbor as yourself in schools has encouraged kids to get along better? The evidence seems to point to the opposite. By all accounts I've read the 20th century was by far the bloodiest, and that happened after the rise of atheistic Communism, relativism, humanism and throwing God out of our society and public life. Millions and millions of people were killed, more than any group of people in any century before ours. You want to compare that to, what maybe a couple of thousand people who were burned at the stake? Get real. And you'll notice that the Christians discontinued those practices as time went on, effectively learning from their mistakes.

Well this post is too long, so I'll end it. I fell no ill towards you, MisIslamist. But if you don't tell the truth here, I will refute you.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at October 21, 2006 1:28 PM

Isabella before I only answered you out of courtesy as even a criticism deserves a reply,
and especially a self important one reeking of arrogance.

But the above rambling mess where themes from 2 distinct posts are mixed ad hoc is unworthy of a reply. You do not answer questions and you attack on behalf of your religion for which you have only a blind eye with regards to the bad points. I see both sides of religion and I am very happy for that blessing.

I am not replying as the above, if anyone dares or bothers to read it is an indictment into yr stupidity here.

You are not stupid and yet you allow your anger to make you seem so.

Go read a few historical accounts of executions and get some facts behind your rhetoric before you ever waste my time again.

Posted by: MisIslamist at October 21, 2006 11:05 PM

MisIslamist,

You complain about the very same thing that you do yourself. If you think you see both sides of religion and are happy for that blessing, please show us some evidence of it. You've posted none here.

As to the other slights and attacks I'll chalk those up to whatever it is that disturbs you. If you really believed in what you say about my posts and felt totally confident in your beliefs, you wouldn't engage in any conversation with me at all. The fact that you continue to shows that the raw wound I have opened in you is festering. I'm truly sorry for having hurt you in that way.

"You are not stupid and yet you allow your anger to make you seem so." Now go look in the mirror.

As far as wasting your time, you have the power to not read my posts and to not answer them either. No one is holding a gun to your head.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at October 22, 2006 12:50 AM