Islam is an abomination.
Islam and its heretical book deserve no respect from Christians.
Have they forgotten that the Bible commands to hate the sin but love the sinner?
Well, islam is the sin.
The love applies to people only. To those who have been carried astray by that sinful book, the Coran.

Posted by: rocky at October 24, 2006 11:19 PM

This professor needs to be reprimanded at the very least if not fired. PC has truly gotten out of control when a professor can ram the insidious philosophy of the enemy down people's throats. What a disgrace to education this so called university is. Why not rename it Osama U?

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at October 24, 2006 11:20 PM

Carry a stack of books? Nah, it would be much more appropriate to carry it in a nice Top Grain Pig Skin Leather Briefcase such as this one:

http://auctions.yahoo.com/i:Black%20Top%20Grain%20Pig%20Skin%20Leather%20Briefcase:121260357

Posted by: miira at October 24, 2006 11:22 PM

...I'm still waiting to hear about a criminal investigation being opened about someone desecrating the Christian Bible...

Guess I'll be waiting a long time, eh?

*hack spit*

disgusting.

Posted by: JenBee at October 24, 2006 11:25 PM

And to think my paternal uncle, a leftist Catholic intellectual, carved out a spot as one of the great professors at this reprehensible institution. We buried him, my father's little brother, just last year. After a few debates at Christmas parties, we agreed to not disagree, and to never, ever, discuss culture or politics at family events again. He resented my implication that he was, while having polished academic skills, was a delusional thinker and a poor intellectual leader; he resented even more my political instructions to my sons, his nephews.

But, to his credit, he kept his word and never spouted his leftist nonsense around them. After all, as I explained to him, they get enough of that from their high school teachers, not to mention the TV networks.

* 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 *

Unbelievable. Eli Lily should be ashamed of itself for having granted so many millions to this finishing school. If you live in Indiana, go to IU or Purdue; if you aren't American enough to do that, or can't gain admission, then leave the damned state.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at October 24, 2006 11:25 PM

Gee, I wonder where some of the money to fund this great idea came from. Saudi Arabia perhaps?

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at October 24, 2006 11:30 PM

So where is the ACLU suing to remove federal funding (if the university gets any) because of this endorsment of religion?

Posted by: non-redneck at October 24, 2006 11:40 PM

The whole account seems unbelievable:

"We were required to purchase the Koran and handle it with respect. If we were carrying a stack of books the Koran had to be on top."

If true, this is absolutely outrageous! If this was demanded of me I would use it (koran) as a seat cushion in response, or throw it out the window, walk out, and file a lawsuit for unlawful coercion the next day.

These are extreme examples of academic malpractice, and this one seems to be just one person's hearsay account, but undoubtedly there is an stinking rot in our country's colleges and universities which are lucrative havens for people who hate America.

"If you live in Indiana, go to IU or Purdue" -APF

I don't know, is IU any better? Purdue yes, but IU?

Posted by: alexon at October 24, 2006 11:59 PM

I, too, am skeptical of Ms. Nye's claim about handling the Qur'an.

Is there a notice posted in the college bookstore about proper handling of the Qur'an?

Who would enforce the 'Qur'an on top' edict?

Is that requirement in effect when a 'stack' of library books contains a copy of the Qur'an?

Are students required to comply with such a directive in the cafeteria? In a hallway? In a student's dorm room?

Did she or any of her classmates test the legitimacy of that policy by intentionally placing the Qur'an below other books?

Did anyone challenge that procedure with the college's administrators?

Etc.

That part of Ms. Nye's story just doesn't sound believable.

Posted by: PRCS at October 25, 2006 12:31 AM

Is this a seminary? How can they "require" all students to take a course on islam? Somebody needs to challenge this outrage, and soon! If they require that all students study islam, then they should require that all students study Christianity and Judaism. This is unbelievable.

I would have transferred to another school before being forced to listen to some left-wing professor's islamic propaganda sessions or buy a filthy Qur'an and show it more reverence and respect than a Bible, which is probably not even allowed on campus.

Posted by: Susanp at October 25, 2006 12:47 AM

It's a rich kid finishing school. Very beautiful campus; very high tuition.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at October 25, 2006 12:53 AM

The original, Arabic, Koran should be treated with the utmost respect, as the word of god. If, as I imagine, they were English translations of the Koran you were carrying around, then this injunction does not apply, as they are not real Korans. They are given names like 'The Meaning of...' or 'An Explanation of...'Your professors didn't even know their stuff.

Posted by: wallyUK at October 25, 2006 1:24 AM

They know that Christians are a safe target

Yes they know that Jews, Buddhists, Hindus atc are all safe targets and that you cna mess with them , denigrate them without risking intimidation or worse.
Quite shameful.

Posted by: chevalier de st george at October 25, 2006 1:54 AM

No, Robert. This doesn't even qualify as "unbeliveable." Not any more.

Posted by: Jesus Christ Supercop at October 25, 2006 2:00 AM

Say WHAT Wally? Arabic? Koran? Respect? How about disdain, contempt and scorn. Are you kidding? If anything, the Koran is the drivel of an infamous goat f**ker, and little else. Respect is earned, not legislated or dictated.

Posted by: SheikYerboutie at October 25, 2006 2:06 AM

Did you hear that Butler got a Saudi grant for a new Islamic Studies student">http://cgi.ebay.com/Bomb-Nuclear-Biological-Chemical-Fallout-Blast-Shelter_W0QQitemZ220038774698QQihZ012QQcategoryZ1268QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem">student lounge?

Posted by: limes at October 25, 2006 2:36 AM

"The original, Arabic, Koran should be treated with the utmost respect, as the word of god" - quote

Why? It is a lie to say it is the Word of God. It is NOT the Word of God. It is a lie. It is a falsehood. It is a book inspired by Satan.

It belongs in the trash or in a toilet.

By the way, I went to the Butler University website and lodged my complaint with a reference link to the article and told them what they can do with the Quran.

Posted by: Levi at October 25, 2006 2:39 AM

It looked better on Preview... I hate Bill Gates.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Bomb-Nuclear-Biological-Chemical-Fallout-Blast-Shelter_W0QQitemZ220038774698QQihZ012QQcategoryZ1268QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Posted by: limes at October 25, 2006 2:40 AM

I can tell that the islamisation process is slowly starting to become more and more successful. Now it's required "to carry Qur'an on top of stacks of books," it's also mandatory to wear the veil in a muslim school in England, even for non-muslims. A cemetary in England has a policy of all graves facing Mecca, even for non-muslims. Next, it'll be a must to pray five times a day towards Mecca and celebrate Ramadan, even for non-muslims.

Unbelievable progress indeed.

Posted by: EliasAlucard at October 25, 2006 2:41 AM

Pity she didn't have a proximity mike or a camcorder - would have been great on YouTube..........

It is simply amazing how fast the United States is converging with where the German Democratic Republic left off. So much in US society seems to replicate the East German Communist regime..........but the standard of "academics" is in so many cases pathetic, truly low-grade and simple propagandists without any intellectual credibility. Too often assertion is called argument -

Posted by: Voyager at October 25, 2006 3:44 AM

Mother,

Here's a link to an interesting editorial in The Australian yesterday:

The veiled conceit of multiculturalism

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20632997-7583,00.html

And some Aussie responses:

http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com.au/letters/index.php/theaustralian/comments/separateness_is_not_a_recipe_for_long_term_social_harmony/

Posted by: PRCS at October 25, 2006 4:22 AM

Assalamau Laikum all,

I read your comments on this subject with increasing dismay. It led me to think that infact there can be very little accomodation for Islam with you peoples.

There is no violence here, this professor is a remarkable man. The only way to really understand Islam is to go through the 5 pillars and treat the koran with the respect that it deserves.....how else can you possibly know Islam....there are no shortcuts here.

The professor is a thorough professional who is trying to do his job to the best of his ability...and you villify him for that?

The koran certainly takes pride of place in Lahore, on the highest and cleanest shelves...perhaps you handle the bible as any other book...but we don't.

I have seen sikhs in the UK...who take the utmost care and pay huge respect to their holy book "the guru granth sahib", mostly in the east we handle faith books with care.

It is only in the faithless west, that god is treated with such disdain....what a waste!

You keep on saying that it is the kafur who have the manners, the style and the intellect.....well then show it for a change.

Posted by: Naseem at October 25, 2006 4:52 AM

This is not really that surprising. There is a real confluence in the west between the nihilistic left, who control academia, the media, and the arts - and Islam. The shared objective is the complete destruction of Christianity, the ethnic groups where it first took root (largely Europeans, with Ethiopians, Indians and others included as well), and the culture that arose from its presence.

Posted by: Carolus at October 25, 2006 6:29 AM

The horror.... I can barely believe it . This"professor" should be sacked immediately.
And Naseem... you need a psychiatrist !

Posted by: deusvult at October 25, 2006 6:49 AM

Please tell me it is a joke, Mr Spencer ! Please, don't say it's true.

Posted by: deusvult at October 25, 2006 6:55 AM

from Sheik Yerboutie :

>>Say WHAT Wally? Arabic? Koran? Respect? How about disdain, contempt and scorn. Are you kidding? If anything, the Koran is the drivel of an infamous goat f**ker, and little else. Respect is earned, not legislated or dictated.

You're wrong about the "Prophet" . He was no goat f**ker. He was a child f**ker( I know it sounds insensitive, but I had to say it ) and possibly a camel f**ker.

Posted by: deusvult at October 25, 2006 7:05 AM

It is important to understand that we have SOME POWER here. We must BOYCOTT all Muslim stores and businesses. Flea market stalls, and all products that come from Muslim countries. We must buy gas at stations that get their oil from Canada or the United states and only buy goods or services from non Islamic sources. The Power is in our Money.
Since we can not get the stupid government to get rid of these people we must start a revolt. The other thing we need to do is make citizen arrests for Muslim hate crimes and abuse. Report every move they make. Try to get recording devices into their meeting places and prayer rooms have it translated and get them charged with hate crimes. Every time you see a women in a Burga complain to the store that you don’t feel safe and them tell them if they continue to allow abuse of this kind and lack of security for your family that you won’t shop there. Don’t get into their cabs or shop in any store where they are employed. If they try to bring their pamphlets to your school report them for trying to influence your children! Send a letter or fax that states you want to have the right to do that too AND DO IT !! Also if their is a women wearing a full Burga in your area start shopping in a ski mask and let them arrest you and tell them, if they can do it so can we. We have the right to fight this in our own way. Send a link to this video to every minister you know, to the pope, and to any politician that you know and ask him what he is going to do to stop this type of violence from being on the internet. Call the RCMP the FBI and let them know that these people should be charged with hate crimes and also with inciting a riot and with trying to induce people to kill people. TAKE ACTION and TELL ALL YOU FAMILY and YOUR CLOSE FRIENDS start talking about this. We all need to work together to rid ourselves of this horrific ideology.
Maggie

Posted by: Silly at October 25, 2006 8:29 AM

"One day, my professor even had us act out the five pillars of Islam in class..."
-- from the article above

This is a dead giveaway. The focus on what is hardly doctrine, but essentially, for Infidels, the utterly trivial, because seemingly devoid of ideological content, rituals of worship. Who would object if some people in some religion or cult, pray five times a day? Or once? Or twenty? Who would object, without knowing the significance in making Islam a vehicle for Arab imperialism, to those people prostrating themselves toward Mecca? Who would object, unless they understand the ferocious collectivism of the prayers, and especially of the Friday Prayers, and especially of the sermons (khutbas) at those Friday Prayers? And who would object to the hajj, unless you knew exactly what was done at the hajj, the primitive pagan worship, the throwing of stones at a pillar that symbolize not merely Evil, but the evil embodied in the Unbeliever. And why should you object to Ramadan? Or to the giving of zakat -- but only to fellow Muslims, unless by occasionally giving to Unbelievers that furthers the cause of Islam (see bin Talal's check ostentatiously handed over to Giuliani just after 9.11.200).

No, the "acting out" of the Five Pillars -- it's the kind of thing one would assume might be tried on Third-Graders,in their World Religions unit on Islam (and there too it would be unacceptable, but at least, as a pedagogic tool, not out of place), in a college course, is among other things an attempt to focus the attention of students on the trivial and not what matters -- not on the view of the world that divides it uncompromisingly between Believer and Infidel, and requires endless hostility between the two, until all obstacles to the spread of Islam (interpreted to mean any attempt to retain one's own ways and beliefs, as anything that is other than complete appeasement and abasement), so that Dar al-Islam will simply take over whatever still remains of Dar al-Harb, the Domain or House of War, where Islam does not yet dominate, and Muslims do not, as they ultimately must, yet rule.

What the teacher does not teach, because he is so busy with this acting out of the Five Pillars, is what is most important. The business of where the Qur'an is to be placed sickens, of course, but is not the main thing.

What is on the syullabus? What does the teacher say? Other faculty members, with heads on their shoulders, should take a much greater interest in what is taught -- or not taught -- about Islam. And that is true at Butler, at Columbia, at Harvard, everywhere that, in a display of criminally negligent behavior, adminisetrators and faculty have allowed the apologists to completely dominate the teaching, the transmission, of knowledge about Islam -- at the very moment when all of our lives, and certainly all of our policies, depend on an intelligent and widespread apprehension (in both senses) of Islam.

Posted by: Hugh at October 25, 2006 8:38 AM

I dont know if that sharia law but it is close enough for me .Time to strip that school of its accredidation.

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at October 25, 2006 8:45 AM

women in burkas in stores.
Isn't that an ideal cover for shop lifters?
we know that muslim men use the burkas to hide themselves or their kidnapped victims from the police. This is just one of the reasons why this ghastly piece of clothing should be outlawed.

Posted by: desidude at October 25, 2006 8:48 AM

Hi Naseem,

How do you reconcile the ongoing acts of violence in the Muslim world with your claim "how else can you possibly know Islam"?

Although much politics will justify itself in the name of God, is it not true that the Koran sanctions open-ended warfare, unlike Christianity?

And even moreso, why after reading the articles from this link http://debate.org.uk/topics/history/bib-qur/contents.htm

should I take the Koran to be more accurate than the biblical manuscripts? earliest manuscripts over 100 or 150 years after Mohammed died? Is that not like you describing the invention of the steam engine around 1850? how can we be sure that the koran is indeed the word of god as it claims to be, and not a deception?

Posted by: Jerusalem at October 25, 2006 8:52 AM

That book( the name of it not worthy of mention here) is nothing but paper and print. And I have the right and the freedom to chose how or in what fashion I treat the thing. The only way it would be holy would be if I put a 45 Cal. slug into it. After I made it holy I would put it on top of my outhouse vent. When I see the bible treated with the same respect as the muslims want that serpentine book respected, then I might reconsider.

Posted by: Grunt at October 25, 2006 9:19 AM

From the official website of Butler University, I found the following FREE TELEPHONE NUMBER:

(800) 368-6852

Use it to good affect. Run up their phone bill.

Please note: I did not click the lick to the Abby Nye FRONTPAGE interview. Perhaps within it she names names, and gives the name of the professor / professors who require this treatment by students. I am reluctant to engage in Holy War without factual support. Mere alligations (sp.?) leave one open to abuse by others.

How can I confirm the TRUTH in the above report?

Posted by: SCV at October 25, 2006 9:35 AM

This is a noteworthy day- Naseem actually said something worthwhile today. Did you all miss it?

"It led me to think that infact there can be very little accomodation for Islam with you peoples."

Well by golly, Naseem, for once you are correct. There can't be. Good on you for noticing.

Posted by: libbysmom at October 25, 2006 10:45 AM

Hi Naseem,

I understand where you're coming from and as a history teacher, I've often had my students "act out" historical events and in my civics class we would have simulated trials so they could learn by experience courtroom proceedure. Where this professor wen't to far is demanding that students adopt an Islamic mindset such as keeping the Quran on top.

This is offensive not only to the student's own cultures but should be offensive to Mulsims as well. As a Christian, I would be deeply offended if a teacher had his non-Christian students role play being baptized or receiving Eucharist. A video or observation would be far more appropriate as a teaching tool.

As for demanding that non-Muslims carry the Quran only on top, my feeling (or critique) is that the view of most Muslims about the Quran crosses the line into idolatry. This is clear in cases such as the Pakistanis who have been arrested for "desecrating" the Quran even when they are not Muslims. I treat the Bible with absolute respect and believe it to contain the inspired Word of God.

However, I recognize that the physical Bible is not the Word but merely a printed version. As such, I would not demand that a non-believer treat it as I would nor would I ever persecute someone for mistreating it since the Word of God contained therein is not the ink and paper.

Posted by: Provoslavni at October 25, 2006 11:03 AM

I carry my Koran in my back pocket at all times.

Posted by: TheOmegaMan at October 25, 2006 11:57 AM

This is a tempest in a teacup.

All Jews know that you must respect the Five Books of Moses. If a scribe bumbles one letter, it gets buried. When the Torah (Five Books) are too old to be used, there is a ritualized burial complete with prayers, etc. The Torah must be kept in the Aaron Ha-Kodesh.

My Rabbis (and my Mother) taught me to kiss the Siddur (prayer book) if it touched the floor. And of course, you can't just shove the Siddur under a pile of mundane books like your copy of Lolita from your English Lit. class. You put it on top. It's a sign of respect. Think of the US Flag.

Superstitously, I treat my Arabic-English Bible and all my Hebrew religious texts (including my Hebrew New Testament)with respect by never leaving them on the kitchen counter under unpaid bills.

I don't show the same respect for my Arabic-English Quraan, but being a $20 hardcover (that I yet need for study) I don't abuse it either. It doesn't sit next to my Bibles.

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at October 25, 2006 12:17 PM

Ynkedoodl2--

You are making a personal choice to treat the literature of your own religion in the manner your religion proscribes.

Students at Butler are being compelled to treat the literature of a religion they don't adhere to in accordance with the tradition they do not come from.

Choice--force.
Personal belief---someone else's belief.

Surely you can see the difference.

Posted by: radishthegreat at October 25, 2006 2:39 PM

@radishthegreat

I understand your point. I'm no apologist for Izlam (au contraire!) but I think this Nye lady was simply told by her Muzlim professor to show respect to the book (by,for example, having it on top of her other (nonreligious) books . I could see any of thousands of Orthodox Jews saying the same thing about Jewish Scriptures even in an academic setting.

I think this is a trivial quibble. There are more serious issues with Izlam...like Mohammad (may his name be erased, mhnbe) and Mein Koran and the whole g-ddamned religion...I mean cult.

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at October 25, 2006 3:46 PM

At Southern Methodist University in Dallas, Texas, one of the graduate departments required students to take some courses taught by liberal politically correct professors who emphasized topics not pertinent to the field of study. The students began en masse taking these courses at other schools, transferring credits for the classes to SMU. Although some of these professors had tenure, soon they all were gone. Schools can't afford to pay professors who have no students. The department president is now neither pc nor liberal and he has a healthy wariness of Islam.

Posted by: St. David, King of Georgia at October 25, 2006 6:13 PM

Naseem,

Muslims think that the Quran is the revelation of God and that your so-called prophet is secondary.

The Christian book (a collection of books actually), the Bible, is not the Christian's revelation of God.

Jesus, the ever-existing Son of the ever-existing Father, is the revelation of God.

The Bible books say various things about what Jesus taught and how to live His teaching.

The Bible is secondary to Isa, the ever-existing God who condescended to become man without losing His divinity.

(The Bible still should not be mistreated though.)

Posted by: St. David, King of Georgia at October 25, 2006 6:35 PM

I live in a rural area and my restroom facilities frequently require me to an outside outhouse. After reading that filthy book in order to educate myself, I retired it to the outhouse where it belongs. The poison pages hurt my ass!

Posted by: TexasInfidel at October 25, 2006 6:39 PM

Mother Ecclesiastica said:
'I always point a most dramatic finger at them and yell loudly in English:

"THAT ONE'S A MAN!! THAT ONE'S A MAN! I JUST HEARD HIM SWEAR OUT LOUD!"

It works wonders because they are not allowed to take off their veils in public so can do nothing except run away.'

Nice one! Next time I see one in the superstore I must try that! It certainly beats my usual reaction, which is to explain in a loud voice that they only wear veils because they are so ugly!

Posted by: Aardvark at October 25, 2006 7:43 PM

WallyUK, what you said about non-Arabic Qurans is absolutely correct. It goes beyond treating an Arabic Quran with mere respect, non-Muslims are not allowed to even touch one. Guards at Guantanamo were instructed to wear gloves or use a clean towel when handling a Quran.

I do take exception to this: "The original, Arabic, Koran should be treated with the utmost respect," It should have the same respect that Mohammedans give a Torah or a New Testament. I have a Yusuf Ali translation or rather interpretation on the bottom book shelf between "Blackwood Farm" and "The Lady in the Lake." If I had an Arabic one, it would be with the camping gear and serve a more useful purpose.

Posted by: Pelayo at October 25, 2006 8:13 PM

I have purchased two korans. Winter is near, and they'll make a half way decent pair of snow shoes.

Posted by: Prickzilla at October 25, 2006 8:34 PM

The only way to really understand Islam is to go through the 5 pillars and blah blah blaaaah.

Here are the 10 Pillars of Islam:

1. To bear witness that there is none worthy of worship save Allah and that Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) is the Messenger of Allah.

2. To observe Prayer (Salat).

3. To Pay Zakat (Alms giving)

4. To perform the Pilgrimage to the House of Allah (Hajj).

5. To Observe fasting during Ramadhan." (Bukhari)

6. To make pervasive the threat of personal ruination, injury, or murder of anyone who dares to frankly discuss or criticize Islam.

7. To always play the role of victim, no matter how ridiculously preposterous the actual facts of the complaint's contest may make that such a proposition.

8. To incessantly demand prerogative from infidels, first by constant whining and if necessary also by threat of violence (Cf. Pillars 1 & 6).

9. To change colors on an as-required basis between those of a religion, an organized crime gang, a military, and a governmental institution, and to wear two or even all color motifs at once.

10. To treat all women like cows and pre-pubescent boys like young women.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at October 25, 2006 8:56 PM

Naseem wrote:

"Assalamau Laikum all,

I read your comments on this subject with increasing dismay. It led me to think that infact there can be very little accomodation for Islam with you peoples."

Please do not accuse us of intolerance. Islam is the perfect example of intolerance. We are simply reacting to it.

Perhaps you could give us concrete examples of how Islam is accommodating us - not just in our own nations, but in Muslim nations as well?

"There is no violence here, this professor is a remarkable man. The only way to really understand Islam is to go through the 5 pillars and treat the koran with the respect that it deserves.....how else can you possibly know Islam....there are no shortcuts here."

The professor, like most college academics, is a brain-washing fool who treats classes like his own bully pulpit. Agree with his views or fail the course.

And the only way to understand Christianity is to go through baptism and communion and all that. Will you, in the name of understanding other religions? No, I didn't think so. So why should we have to be educated in the 5 pillars, as though we wanted, needed or had any interest in learning this?

"The professor is a thorough professional who is trying to do his job to the best of his ability...and you villify him for that?"

College professors are far from professional - they are intellectual bullies who stifle honest debate, manipulate information and control discussions in order to force their own views on students. This applies as much to right-wingers as lefties.

"The koran certainly takes pride of place in Lahore, on the highest and cleanest shelves...perhaps you handle the bible as any other book...but we don't."

Good for you. You can handle it any way you want... but don't expect us to do the same.

"I have seen sikhs in the UK...who take the utmost care and pay huge respect to their holy book "the guru granth sahib", mostly in the east we handle faith books with care."

The difference is, Sikhs don't demand that non-Sikhs pay similar reverence to their holy book. I don't care how they do it - if they want to treat it with care and respect, that's fine with me. But don't tell me how to handle a copy.

"It is only in the faithless west, that god is treated with such disdain....what a waste!"

Only an intolerant bigot would say that - many Westerners believe, just as you do, but in a different way. Respect that or leave. For someone lecturing us on intolerance, you have an abundant streak of it yourself.

"You keep on saying that it is the kafur who have the manners, the style and the intellect.....well then show it for a change."

There is no "for a change". That's all we ever do. The onus is on Muslims to show some class, manners and respect. Somehow, I can't see it happening anytime soon.

Posted by: Holy Wart at October 25, 2006 9:12 PM

"...perhaps you handle the bible as any other book...but we don't."

I quite agree that Westerners and muslims do not, in fact, handle the Bible the same way.

You shred, burn and revile it. On sight.

Westerners do not do this to the Bible, nor even to more lowly tomes; Mein Kampf, Madonna's coffee table monstrosity ("Sex", I think it was called), or the Quran. I would speculate that this reveals something of interest about respective tolerance in the two cultures.

Prophet Geoff

Posted by: Geoff at October 25, 2006 9:44 PM

Mother Ecclesiastica said:
'I always point a most dramatic finger at them and yell loudly in English:

"THAT ONE'S A MAN!! THAT ONE'S A MAN! I JUST HEARD HIM SWEAR OUT LOUD!"

Some weeks ago, I was at an amusement park with my grandsons. There were various character wandering around wearing different outfits greeting the children, which my 3 year old grandson found quite amusing.

We bumped into a group of Moslems, the mother of the brood was wearing a full burqua. My 3 year old ran up to this woman, and standing toe to toe, pointed upwards and proclaimed loudly..

"That man looks so funny"

Your comment reminded me of an anecdote posted by someone else here some time ago. He was in a crowded shopping mall with his grandson. The grandson wandered off and was standing near a burqua clad woman. He (the grandfather) shouted out loudly to his grandson..

"Stay away from that woman, she might explode"

Which also reminds me of that old joke (if we're going O.T., go the whole hog)..

A chap walked into what is eupemistically called a Marital Aids shop and asked for an inflatable woman.

"Sure", said the sales clerk, "do you want a kuffar or moslem model?"

"Kuffar or moslem?" answered the customer, "what's the difference"

"Well", said the sales clerk, "the moslem model blows itself up"

Posted by: Ozi_bloke at October 25, 2006 11:09 PM

Nye: I've had professors say Jesus was a homosexual, the god of Islam is the same god of Christianity, and sneer at the Bible calling it a book of myth - "that book with the talking snake and magic fruit." These statements were made in core content classes required by all students.
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If the Bible is a book of myth, "with talking snakes and magic fruit", what is the Qur'an, with "the sun sets in a muddy pond"; "mountains never shake?" How about giant she-camels; three-hundred year cave dwellers; a man who died for a hundred years; people turning into apes; the 90 foot Adam? The greatest deceiver of them all is allah. Surah 3:54. That statement isn't even true because allah was muhammad's alter ego.

I still find it unbelievable that a college can force all its students to take a course on islam, but I simply do not believe that a professor has the authority to dictate how students will treat their own personal possessions. The Qur'ans do not belong to the professor or the school, they belong to the students who purchased them.

Posted by: Susanp at October 26, 2006 12:43 AM

"Your comment reminded me of an anecdote posted by someone else here some time ago. He was in a crowded shopping mall with his grandson. The grandson wandered off and was standing near a burqua clad woman. He (the grandfather) shouted out loudly to his grandson.. 'Stay away from that woman, she might explode'" -- Ozi

That's a good one. Thanks for the laugh.

Posted by: alexon at October 26, 2006 3:12 PM

I'll admit it. I'm intolerant of Islam. I hate Islam. I want bloody Islam to be wiped off the face of the planet and any politician with the balls to do it gets my vote.

You should be alarmed, Naseem. There is no room for acceptance or tolerance of Islam with me and with many Americans.

Hmmmm, wouldn't it be fun to do a Koran book burning?

Posted by: atheling at October 26, 2006 3:12 PM

"I have purchased two korans. Winter is near, and they'll make a half way decent pair of snow shoes".

I'll wait for Spring and make Mudders.

Posted by: alexon at October 27, 2006 3:38 AM