It was the top story in Australia this morning. Prominent people are saying this bloke will have to go. The more words spoken like this the quicker the Australian public will wake up so in a perverted sense its kind of good.

Posted by: cathkins at October 25, 2006 6:15 PM

If the guy's claims to Australian citizenship are not rock solid or if he has dual nationality, I would have thought this would be sufficient reason for the deporting the neanderthal.

Posted by: wallyUK at October 25, 2006 6:18 PM

Thank you Sheik Hilali! Thank you so much for confirming that Mohammedans are 'voracious animals...'
in your own words!

Now will OUR polit-props and news-media please use the words of Australias 'most senior Islamic cleric' and call the adherents of his faith 'voracious animals' when writing about them?

Will John Howard/Costello/Downer go on TV and call Muslims 'voracious animals..?

One would hope so....

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at October 25, 2006 6:20 PM

One more example of how Islamic Sharia is not a product of the "religion of peace," or common-sense and how it is, in no way, compatible with our common-law practice in the States and the West in general.

Posted by: Monkeywho at October 25, 2006 6:32 PM

Wow. What a douchebag.

Posted by: TheVoiceofTruth at October 25, 2006 6:32 PM

...yet anothe reason why islamophobia is a good thing....

Posted by: ujaklija at October 25, 2006 6:43 PM

The religion of peace is not very big on personal responsibility. But then again, what do you expect from a death cult that was started by an illiterate pedophile, slave-trader, rapist, murderer and pirate, whose entire Qur'an provides "divine" sanction for this depraved murderer's actions.

Posted by: US_infidel at October 25, 2006 6:46 PM

What is this guy, some sort of Islamaphobe? How dare he suggest that Muslim men are incapable of self-control? Doesn't he know Muslims have rioted because of lesser insults than this?

Posted by: Tziona at October 25, 2006 6:57 PM

Wow, That is quite an illustration of the Islamic view of the world. Let's stand by for the moderate Muslims to offer a rebuttal. As Gilbert Gotfried so memorably puts it in the aristocrats, "take your time,I'll wait...."

Posted by: MP at October 25, 2006 7:02 PM

These religious leaders have such perverted reasoning, that they become irrational idiots in the western mind.

This too, is what makes them so dangerous. The islamic idiots that follow them. The idiot hoards can see these leaders are idiots however can't speak against them. Therefore they go along with this kind of reasoning. At this point they are a menace to society at large.

I think that the islamic religious leaders should make public statements like this very often. At this point public sanctions against them can take place with less difficulty from the multiculturalists.

God willing, of course.

Posted by: credit man at October 25, 2006 7:10 PM

Women seem wicked, when you're unwanted… -The Doors

This guy has been spending too much time with his sheep.

Posted by: limes at October 25, 2006 7:11 PM

Taj Din al-Hilali hereby despises the very womb that gave him birth; and violates the Fifth Commandment which enjoins honoring one's father and mother.

Perhaps the fact that his own brethren slobber over a sixty-something showing cellulite thighs as she works in shorts and halter in her garden shows that al-Hilali himself encourage other men to behave like voracious beasts. Better by far is Solomon's book of Proverbs which enjoins the young man to be wise rather than simple; remember the teaching of his father and the law of his mother; and turn from the strange woman to delight himself in his own wife.

I respect the dignity and etiqquette that Islam has fostered; but below the surface it seems there is an unhealthy obsession with sex.

Posted by: Kepha at October 25, 2006 7:17 PM

Send this one out to friends and family folks. It's sure to touch a nerve.

Posted by: Cornelius at October 25, 2006 7:18 PM

“and the cats come and eat it … whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat?”

So — the sheik is comparing Muslim males to wild cats acting only on their impulses.

Though I think even that ought to be an insult to cats. I’ve never heard cats rape…

Posted by: Steve Cheng at October 25, 2006 7:24 PM

'"But the problem, but the problem all began with who?" he asked....'

It began about 1400 years ago with the ravings of a bloodthirsty, misogynistic arab bandit leader...

Posted by: Aardvark at October 25, 2006 7:24 PM

I also sent this article in this morning, but I wonder if Robert saw my mail.

Fancy waking up to the news to hear about this man making such an outrageous statement as he tries to yet again pin the blame for some of the most brutal rapes in Sydney upon the victims.

One group of young men who raped several teens were Lebanese. Heaven forbid that we are even allowed to identify their race (p.c. you know, means that we are not allowed to identify them as Lebanese.) However, the other rapes were committed by Pakistani men. The Pakistanis were 4 brothers, and their father is a doctor in western Sydney.

It should be pointed out that the girl victims were very young teenagers. One was as young as 13 when she was raped. The girls were kidnapped off the street. Some were targeted and followed as they were travelling on the trains. None of them were "asking for it".

To add insult to injury these monsters referred to the Australian girls as "Skippy". It is a reference to Skippy the Kangaroo, and a reference that the targets are Australian girls.

What this monster sheik has stated should be sufficient to have him tossed out of the country. This is not the first time that he has made this statement. To dare to say that the judge was wrong to give a long sentence to these monsters who robbed these young girls of their innocence and virginity is absolutely monstrous.

Ideas such as these are totally incompatible with our Australian way of life. I would suggest that Australians need to raise their voices against the expression of such attitudes and that those who proclaim them should have their citizenship re-evaluated. They are obviously people who are incapable of accepting the Australian ideals and morals.

Women, whether Muslim or not are not pieces of meat waiting to be forced into sexual intercourse. His comment is totally insulting to all of the Muslim women here in Australia who do not wear the veil. The "scarves" as they are known in Auburn, are in the minority, even amongst the Muslims. There are many Muslim women who live a more secular life, and who are obviously very happy not acknowledging their own Muslim background, especially when they are confronted with this attitude.

Posted by: Maggie4Life at October 25, 2006 7:56 PM

Steve Cheng:

Cat rape is very real, even our domestic cats become very violent and agressive when they get into it..
Leopards and cheetahs practically kidnap the females, so yes, there is 'cat-rape'- whther they are infected with the Islamic mindset I cannot tell, maybe you do some reasearch?

An interesting comment from Andrew Bolts blog:

"Last time I left some meat covered with a tea towel, the material didn’t stop my cat from getting to it.

The analogy doesn’t work..."

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at October 25, 2006 8:03 PM

I suppose the Australian girls who were raped are fortunate Sharia does not exist in The Land Down Under.

If Sharia existed, they could be tried for premarital sex and then stoned to death since their testimony is worse less than a Muslim's.

Repatriate the Sheik or charge and incarcerate him for inciting a criminal act.

Posted by: McCain2008 at October 25, 2006 8:18 PM

Photo of this troglodyte mullah--->>>
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41128000/jpg/_41128487_mufti203.jpg

Posted by: dennisw at October 25, 2006 8:34 PM

Truly sickening. I agree with rest. Let's have these monsters keep spewing their hate and intolerance. Maybe it will finally spark "Western outrage". Anyone think this story will be picked up by the Times? The Post? ABC? NBC? CBS? CNN? Hopefully FOX? I sure hope there is a loud public reaction in Australia and the rest of the West to this belligerent bullshit. Yes, yes, yes, the Religion of Peace. Also Known As- The Religion of Personal Responsibility, What's it Good For, The Religion of Approved Rape, The Religion of Pedophilia, and of course as Frank mentioned on the last thread, The Religion of Bestiality. Ok everyone; this is the religion we are supposed to tolerate and assimilate into our neighborhoods!! Any objections?????????

Posted by: YankeeinNederland at October 25, 2006 8:37 PM

"...that has outraged Muslim women leaders..."
At least some of the Muslim women of Australia are reportedly outraged. Sadly, most Muslim women here (in California) whom I have discussed similar topics with (i.e. whether or not wearing hijab is truly for a woman's "protection") take the opposite tack and blame the victim, even as they also label all men (NOT only Muslim men) as voracious sex fiends constantly teetering on the brink of committing rape. A very intelligent young Muslim woman I know, who was born and raised here, no less, AND has attended a very prestigious college, told me with a straight face that if Christian and non-hijab-wearing Muslim women in Iraq are threatened with gang rape, "Well, they should be wearing hijab anyway, even the Christians. It tempts the men [not to wear hijab]." When even a young, smart, well-educated, US-born and bred Muslim woman says this, it makes me despair.

Posted by: kaffirchick at October 25, 2006 8:40 PM

I just wish all of the usual legal roadblocks could be legislated away in order to make deportation easier. At the very least, he should be deported and made to state his case and lodge his appeals from outside the country - at his own expense.

I've seen Lebanese "men" myself, roaming around the Gold Coast (Australia) in packs. Their disrespect of women is obvious and lone couples are helpless against four or five guys looking for trouble.

I know that Sydney cops advise Anglos to stay out of Auburn and Lakemba. Their attitude is to abandon the place to the Lebs. Brilliant - banlieues in Sydney.

The Lebanese mindset is often incompatible with Australian values. Fight one-on-one? Nope - call your brothers, cousins and thirty friends to take on one guy who didn't show you enough "respeck". Fight with your fists? Nope - use baseball bats, machetes and even guns. Don't hit women? Nope - bash them too, makes it easier to rape them afterwards.

Animals.

Posted by: Holy Wart at October 25, 2006 8:50 PM

I wonder how many of "the 500" complained about this guy's outrageous comments--I mean, this is the kind of crap you heard people spouting in the US about rape victims back in the 70s for god's sake--I know a lot of Aussies, and I don't think they are going to take too kindly to this--

Posted by: porksides at October 25, 2006 8:56 PM

The religion of barbarians. A barbarian is someone from a primitive culture still espousing that culture. Muslims are in fact literal barbarians. If they want to gain some worth and join civilization they have to change. Until then they are just worthless, filthy barbarians.

Posted by: XY at October 25, 2006 8:56 PM

The solution to all these wanton women is simple-the Islamic world will simply have to ban all women. Then all the men can devote themselves to the pure and simple life and aspire to lofty goals such as world domination without having their minds corrupted by all those filthy hoes. I think mule-ah Omar is the top candidate to try this first if he runs Afghanistan again with Iran's A-Nut a possible close second.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at October 25, 2006 8:58 PM

hmm the guy has the face of a pig and the morals of a pedifle if he belives that non muslim woman are asking for it then this is the same faith he preaches that says its ok to have sex with a baby as long as you dont penatrate. abd that non muslem women are yous to take when you wantMen are in charge of women, because Allah made men to be better than women. women are a tilth for you (to cultivate) so go to your tilth as ye will, and send (good deeds) before you for your souls, and fear Allah, and know that ye will (one day) meet Him. Give glad tidings to believers,

Posted by: islamakapigeaters at October 25, 2006 9:13 PM

"He said women were "weapons" used by "Satan" to control men."
----

LOL! I can't take this seriously!

Posted by: EliasAlucard at October 25, 2006 9:28 PM

Perhaps there's something to the meat metaphor, because reading this story makes me feel like one of the cleric's cats on the prowl. When I think of those sweet young innocents being ravaged by Mohammedan scum I'm wild cat enough, but hearing a Muslim apologist accuse the young victims (children all)of immorality in kind, such that the girls had it coming, is too much. I'm seeing RED meat--rump roast with a turban.

You know there's a lot of angry kafir among us, sometimes embarrassingly so, right here on this site, but also everywhere now. Often I am, well, embarrassed when folks here start talking irrationally about violence as a solution to the Islamic problem, much as the jihadists settle on violence to further their goals. I don't know how many times I've heard vitriolic statements like, "The only thing we can do is kill 'em all."

After reading this story, I guess I can't really argue with them anymore, not that I ever actually did. But truly, if there are Muslims who feel no pity for infidel schoolgirls savagely abused by believers, and if they can in fact lay the blame for the most heinous acts at the feet of adolescent angels, whom they compare to meat, then these people must be swiftly and mercilessly eliminated. If we have not yet beaten all our weapons into plowshares, for what reason do we retain them? I for one am not waiting for a more diabolical menace, nor can the mind even imagine one.

Welcome to the Crusades.

HAID

Posted by: Haid Dasalami at October 25, 2006 9:35 PM

Below is part of an email I sent to Australia's
"Office for Women" http://ofw.facs.gov.au/index2.htm
which for some time has been running a "Violence Against Women — Australia Says No" campaign http://www.australiasaysno.gov.au/index.htm

This is an ideal opportunity for the Office for Women and the "Australia Says No" campaign to demonstrate clearly that it is serious about violence against women, and not simply a waste of resources. Other Australians might like to pursue it
also, with the Federal agencies, MPs etc.

To: women@facsia.gov.au
Subject: Women as "uncovered meat"

Dear Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for Women's Issues;

I have seen various promotions for the "Violence Against Women - Australia
Says No" campaign.

Sheik Hilali's reported statements referring to women as "uncovered meat",
and the cause of the problem of rape: "If she was in her room, in her
home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."

Does the Office for Women support the Sheik's statements, or does it see
them as an opportunity to send a strong message to the Sheik and those
who share his views that Australia is fair dinkum when it "says no"?

I am looking forward to a swift and decisive response.

[...]

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20646437-601,00.html

Muslim leader blames women for sex attacks
Richard Kerbaj
October 26, 2006
THE nation's most senior Muslim cleric has blamed immodestly dressed women
who don't wear Islamic headdress for being preyed on by men and likened
them to abandoned "meat" that attracts voracious animals.

[...]

Posted by: Xaragma at October 25, 2006 9:36 PM

What an idiot this guy is, Doesn't he know that it takes two to tango.

Oops, sorry, I'd momentarily forgotten that men are, of course, superior to women and that, therefore, everything must be the women's fault.

Really, can one argue with his sort of mindset - a woman is raped therefore it's her fault; a man is murdered therefore it is his fault, a child is abused therefore it's the child's fault; a moslem got caught speeding therefore it's the police's fault; Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali got caught found out being an out-of-control idiot therefore it's western society's fault.

Logic really does escape the minds of the barbarian moslem horde, doesn't it?

Has he never heard of the principle of self-control that all western boys are taught from puberty, or earlier? Simply because one can do something does not mean that one has to do it on every conceivable occassion! A woman has the right to be and to dress however she wants to (as a man does, also) and to go about her lawful business without the fear of being raped, or worse. Western men acknowledge that and behave accordingly. Western women, by and large, do not sexually assault men, either.

This guy, Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali, is a primitive, unevolved, male-supremacist idiot of the first order. Give him the bird Aussie folks!

Dominic.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at October 25, 2006 9:45 PM

The sheik then said: "If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."

Oh brother!

How about "if he was in his room, in his home, in his jammies, no problem would have occurred".

The "his" refers to Mo and the "problem" is Islam. Hence, we wouldn't have such idiotic statements made by crazy old goats.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at October 25, 2006 9:48 PM

Ok. I admit it. Reading the Koran and the Hadiths and Tabari and Ishaq informed me about Islam.

But, when I read about enraged Lebanese youths stalking 16 yr old blonde Celtic thong-wearing Oz nymphets on the sidewalks behind Cranulla Beach, and angrily denouncing them and threatening to beat them and kicking gravel on them...

... it was then that I finally came to understand Islam.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at October 25, 2006 9:49 PM

Number one ----- women are not uncovered meat.

Number two ----- men are not voracious cats.

Number three --- rape is a big no no.

Number four ---- muslims belong in the middle east. They obviously can't handle living in modern civilization.

Number five ----stupid imam, may you come back as a muslim woman.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at October 25, 2006 9:54 PM

Sheik Hilali has offended my cat's honor.

Posted by: MarisolJW at October 25, 2006 10:25 PM

The inability of Muslims to adopt to, and permanently acquiese in, the political and legal institutions of Infidel nation-states, their inability to offer loyalty to those nation-states because loyalty must be reserved for Islam and fellow Muslims, and their inability as well to adjust to the ways, the habits and moeurs, of advanced Western societies, and then, unable to adjust, to behave in ways that according to our laws and our understandings are criminal, means that they cannot, as can apparently any number of non-Muslim immigrants, to pretend to co-exist with us, the Infidels. And there is no reason why, because of some abstract theory that does not accord with reality, we should continue to endure or pretend that Muslim immigrants can continue to come, or that we are prepared in any way to appease Muslims or meet their demands or in any way change our ways to accommodate them.

Posted by: Hugh at October 25, 2006 10:27 PM

Ladies and Gentlemen
I'm pleased to introduce you to Miss Rosa Henderson, an American blues singer, who first recorded this song in 1929:

Can't Be Bothered with No Sheik

Girls are raven 'bout their sheik
To me they look like dressed up freaks
Waitin' for someone to buy 'em a meal
I really can't see 'em 'cause here's how I feel:

I ain't no flapper, just a darn good gal
Don't want no sheik, just a real good pal
Don't want no man who stands around and looks cute
I want a real man not a substitute.

I want a good man - I mean a real man
Can't be bothered with no sheik.

I ain't no flapper, just a darn good gal
Don't want no sheik, just a real good pal
Don't want no man who stands around and looks cute
I want a real man not a substitute.

No cake eaters or sweet men for mine
Can't be bothered - haven't got time
A sheik keeps his hair slick and neat and
All the brains he has are in his feet

I want a good man - I mean a real man
Can't be bothered with no sheik.

I ain't no flapper, just a darn good gal
Don't want no sheik, just a real good pal
Don't want no man who stands around and looks cute
I want a real man not a substitute.

No cake eaters or sweet men for mine
Can't be bothered - haven't got time
A sheik is alright in a movin' picture show
But these imitation sheiks they just gotta go

I want a good man - I mean a real man
Can't be bothered with no sheik.

Posted by: Malinois at October 25, 2006 10:32 PM

From a moslem website - the words in parentheses are mine from the context:

"The purpose of these stages (of life in the womb) is to realize the potential of semen."

I rest my case and need say no more abou moslem views about the value of females for, obviously, they have none nor can they contribute anything to the child. This is a viewpoint which the west abandoned ages ago.

'Scuse me, whilst I go and throw up.

The site page is:

http://www.toluislam.com/index.pl/mag?func=viewSubmission&sid=128&wid=40

Dominic.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at October 25, 2006 10:40 PM

If you read Islamic texts you are struck by the fact that whether or not a woman wants to sleep with a man is immaterial: the sole factor involved is whether he has property rights over her. If the kaffir men will leave their property around the place, temptingly decked out - well, it's just like leaving the keys in the car when you pop into a store or leaving your cellphone on the bar while you go to the washroom.

Posted by: wallyUK at October 25, 2006 10:43 PM

Does this mean that Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali, whom the article refers to as the "nation's most senior Muslim cleric," might be helpless not to rape a woman/girl if she were without hijab and no witnesses were present to catch him in the act?

He should be ostracized, satirized, lampooned, made to spend a little time in prison with the poor victim rapists he feels such compassion for, and then deported. But before being deported he should be thrown into a vat of vomit, since nothing else could so precisely express how decent people feel about his attitude toward the rape.

Posted by: traeh at October 25, 2006 10:46 PM

The writer of the article is careful to include the statement that the Muslim women leaders were "outraged" by the top Muslim leader's statements.

They don't sound too outraged to me. They sound mildly indignant at best, and more like they are in PR-damage control mode. (Is it really necessary to quote people saying the obvious, that women don't deserve to be raped?) Instead of using their positions as leverage to demand that this sheik resign as a minimum, initial step, they are pushing the 'Islam is tolerant' mythology. Oh, Islam is tolerant alright--tolerant of those types of remarks and attitudes, and the actions that follow from them. I wonder what percentage of Australian Muslims among the 300,000+ that this Sheikh al-Hilali supposedly represents actually disagree with him.

Notice that the writer does not mention anything about how the actual victims of those rapes--non-Muslim women--and their families might have felt after hearing those comments. The comments were directed primarily at non-Muslim women.

The sheik is expressing the same beliefs and attitudes that contributed to the rapes in the first place. It is the same attitude expressed by Islam's most popular scholar Qaradawi, by Australia's Sheik Faiz Mohammed, and those European clerics quoted by fjordman.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 25, 2006 11:09 PM

"The uncovered meat is the problem."

Wrong! The uncovered Islam is the problem, senile old sheik.

Maybe the men should wrap themselves in those crazy shrouds so they won't be able to act out their impulses so easily because of all those "harlots" corrupting their "morals".

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at October 25, 2006 11:15 PM

Will we see hundreds of enraged Muslims demonstrating all over the world against this Mullah who has insulted Islam, it's women and its men? Will Ahmajina-nutjob, et al., be demanding an apology from the Imam? Will Muslim women in burkas be shot in the back like the nun in Africa?
The outrage of this cleric insulting Islam!!!
Conversely, imagine if the Pope had said in his remarks, that Muslim women who cover are good examples, because those that don't are like raw meat, and men (who can blame them?) in Islam are like cats on the prowl?
Would he be considered a dispassionate spokesman for Saracen status-quo?
The only thing more screwed up than this "religion" is the people who actually subscribe to it!

Posted by: Sansantiago at October 25, 2006 11:21 PM

Women are abandoned "meat" and temptations from Satan. All this justifies Sharia provisions about veiling, of course, and thus is part of the overall imperative to impose Sharia on the rest of us.

Can't wait til he says this at Georgetown during one of the workshops; the aftermath will be well worth the price of admission.

Posted by: witness at October 25, 2006 11:33 PM

Hugh/

Was it not that great man George Bernard Shaw who said - and I may be misquoting here, so please check it out for yourself:

"The resonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself."

The latter half of the quote seems to me to sum up the moslem worldview.

Dominic.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at October 25, 2006 11:34 PM

A young Aussie muslim woman speaks out.

Posted by: L.Drummond at October 25, 2006 11:37 PM

For the curious, the front page of the Australian actually had a relvant cartoon (scroll down just a bit):

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/

And here are two updates from the Australian:

Mufti must be held to account - Iemma
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20648350-29277,00.html

Sheik told to retract comments
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20648421-29277,00.html

From the second:

""It is important that you immediately withdraw these comments by a written public statement in which you also state your unequivocal support of the equality of men and women under Australian law," Mr Kerkyasharian wrote.

"And that you also state your advocacy of the right of all men and women to go about their business in their everyday life according to the freedoms bestowed upon them by our democratic way of life.""

Posted by: PRCS at October 26, 2006 12:03 AM

I know how the sheik feels. Whenever I come across a panting, Muslim horndog who is bent on "expressing" himself in a way I don't want him to, I get this uncontrollable urge to take an electric cattle prod and, as Dustin Hoffman exclaimed in "Tootsie", just zap him in the ba-doobies. It's really not my fault.

L. Drummond, can't open that link. Would you send it again please? Thanks.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at October 26, 2006 12:06 AM

Make that six responses:

Move to Iran, mufti told
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20648011-29277,00.html

Ethnic community condemns comments
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20647808-29277,00.html

Take back comments, Beazley tells Muslims
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20647906-29277,00.html

Cleric 'should go for rape comments'
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20647517-29277,00.html

And the ever popular:
Muslims brace for backlash
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20647905-29277,00.html

Posted by: PRCS at October 26, 2006 12:13 AM

From the 'Muslims brace for backlash' response:

"Mr Aly said the vast majority of Australian Muslims would condemn the comments."

But, not all of them.

Posted by: PRCS at October 26, 2006 12:20 AM

From PRCS' link posted at 12:13 am:

"I am expecting people to get abused in the streets and abused at work."

I.e., Muslims will "get abused in the streets and abused at work." As they should be, as long as they don't stand up and denounce this crap.

No more Muslim victims.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at October 26, 2006 12:56 AM

"If you read Islamic texts you are struck by the fact that whether or not a woman wants to sleep with a man is immaterial: the sole factor involved is whether he has property rights over her. "

Exactly. This is a very significant issue in islam and one of the things urgently needing reform, if they are serious about reform.

Posted by: Lili at October 26, 2006 1:21 AM

"Mr Aly said the vast majority of Australian Muslims would condemn the comments."

But, not all of them.

Posted by: PRCS at October

When and where will they condemn the comments I wonder? Among themselves; at the mosque; the friendly, congenial islamic center; the halal meat shop? I can hear the collective condemnation resounding throughout the country, a chorus of muslim indignation. It's deafening, isn't it?

The muslim gang rapes have not yet hit America, or if they have, the islamophiles in the news media are engaging in their usual useful idiot coverups of muslim crime and terror threats. Wonder what they'll do when a sweet young reporter is abducted after doing a saccharine human interest story on the lovely islamic community in Dearborn or Atlanta, and gang raped by a herd of immigrant Palestinians, Pakistanis, Saudis or whatever brand of rabid muslim happens to haunt the area. I hope that never happens, but I think it is inevitable. Not necessarily to a reporter, but to some unsuspecting women who happen to wander too close to the barbarian camp.

This mullah is an abomination but he's showing islam's true colors every time he opens his filthy mouth, and that's a good thing. May the backlash begin!

Posted by: Susanp at October 26, 2006 1:22 AM

PRCS,

Thanks for the links. I suspect that the percentage of Muslims who would reject his statements sincerely is not big--certainly not a vast majority. These very popular sheikhs say stuff like this all the time and there is no objection from Muslims. Somehow these statements happened hit the media at the right time, non-Muslims found out about it, and now everyone is pouncing on it.

The sheikh and his spokesman are now lying, claiming that he wasn't talking about rape. But he had originally said this:

"Sheik Hilali said there were women who "sway suggestively" and wore make-up and immodest dress ... "and then you get a judge without mercy (rahma) and gives you 65 years." "

Posted by: Archimedes at October 26, 2006 3:27 AM

Australia is blessed with a large number of secular Muslims, mostly of Turkish origin, but there are some Afghani secular Muslims, and others come from Iran. These are the ones who will make the most noise against this controversial man. I can just imagine what Dina would have to say when she heard the comments (especially since she is a Muslim who does not wear the veil). I can imagine that the Iranian that I have known for a few years would not be too happy to hear such a statement, and neither would the Turks, whose women tend to not wear the veil.

I have had 12 hours to try and settle my anger over what was stated. In that time, I saw a Muslim woman, who was upset over what was said, also do the taqqiah. There were moments when she was being interviewed where she could not look the interviewer in the face, especially when she lied about what is in the Koran, and her lying claim that men and women are equal in Islam. I cannot stand the way that Australian reporters just let the statement go because they are too dumb to recognize that she was lying to them.

I have heard one Muslim man who was more or less indignant over what was said. Put it this way, he did not support al-hilaly's comments. The majority of Muslims in Sydney do not support this man. His followers are a small group at the Lakemba mosque. I think it is best to say that the Muslim businessmen are not impressed by the expression of these attitudes. Then I heard one of his supporters state that he was misunderstood and misrepresented.

The mufti, I think, realises that he made a mistake and he is about to attempt to cover his butt, by making a taqquiya apology.

Posted by: Maggie4Life at October 26, 2006 4:29 AM

Apologies for my poor htmlling. I'll leave it for now and just post the link as it is.

http://graphics.news.com.au/multimedia/2006/061026_muftiComment/index_popup.html

Will also post further up.

L.Drummond

Posted by: L.Drummond at October 26, 2006 7:58 AM

What an absolute gutter religion.

Posted by: HistorianTheologian at October 26, 2006 10:24 AM

L. Drummond - thanks for the link. I listened to that young lady and it's a start. When she said "if I could I'd shout it from the rooftops" - I wish she would.

IsabellatheCrusader - that bit about the cattle prod to the bajoobies made my day. So does all this mean if we pound a rapist's head flat, we can say it reminded us of a minute steak? Can we use the Veal Defense?

Posted by: GoldieLox at October 27, 2006 8:51 AM