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We were recently told that the renewed French riots spring “in part from anger over entrenched discrimination against immigrants and their French-born children, many of them Muslims from former French colonies in Africa."
And in the same article this as well:
"Defense Minister Michele Alliot-Marie, who is considering whether to run for president, said that attacks demonstrate 'a desire to kill.''Some individuals are looking for provocations, and sometimes go further,' she said on i-Tele television. She acknowledged people facing unemployment and living in overcrowded housing projects 'have trouble finding their place' in society." -- from this article
The article's author apparently thinks it is part of his job to tell us that when people in gangs, many of them with handguns, hijack busses, and turn the terrified passengers out, and then burn those busses, "many of them [are] Muslims." Yet ordinarily all of them are Muslims, with the appearance occasionally of one or two non-Muslim immigrants who are too terrified not to go along, and have already imbibed from the ambient air the same attitudes exhibited by Muslims who grow up in societies suffused with Islam -- in Paris as in Quetta or Riyadh or Baghdad.
And that author also takes it upon himself to supply the reader with a motive -- the motive never being Islam, but always being something else, in this case "anger over entrenched discrimination." What "entrenched discrimination"? Ask the non-Muslim immigrants, the Chinese or Vietnamese or Hindus or Antillais. Ask Madame Belaya, or for that matter de author of "Un plat de porc..." if they suffer discrimination in that land of la carriere ouverte aux talents.
What maddens these people is that they are Muslim, and should by rights rule. They cannot wait, cannot wait until the local Infidels must yield, cannot wait until inexorable demographic trends will allow them to dominate the historic lands of the West. Long before they become an absolute majority, power will be in their hands. But even now, they cannot wait to dominate the most interesting, tolerant, humane, and intelligent society yet produced, while Islam remains forever a primitive belief-system that keeps people primitive, favoring despotism because the Ruler, if Muslim, is to be obeyed; favoring economic stasis because of inshallah-fatalism; devoid of a morality other than the morality of Us and Them, Believer and Infidel; an incurably collectivist faith that is not interested in individual rights or freedom of conscience but by force would keep people as recruits for the Army of Islam. And so all of Europe may be lost only because people will not come to their senses in time, in numbers sufficient to save them.
As for Michele Alliot-Marie, with her own presidential ambitions, over recent years she has shown a palpable want of sympathy or understanding for the United States. She has no sympathy whatsoever for its attempts to deal, most clumsily and imperfectly, with the worldwide Jihad (the so-called "war on terrorism" that has us clinging to tarbaby Iraq), or for Israel for its attempts to deal, most clumsily and imperfectly, with the Lesser Jihad being permanently engaged against it.
If Jacques Chirac can say that "Europe owes as much to Islam as it does to Christianity," that is far worse and more damaging a lie than most of the lies politicians tell as a matter of routine. Why the French are entangling themselves in lies, little and big, and how their ruling classes think that will get them out of the real fix they are in, is beyond understanding.
But most of the French are concerned only with the great business of living: metro, boulot, dodo. Besides, it wasn't my car. And no one I know had a car that was burned. And about the so-called crisis in schools -- well my kids are out of school. No, I forgot, I don't have any kids. And I don't live anywhere near those quartiers. Why would I? And what do I care if I can't visit St. Denis? I don't care about old kings of France. And who wants to go to the Eiffel Tower anyway? And the Champs Elysees -- that's been going downhill for years, full of record stores and fast-food joints. Why should I care if no one goes there anymore?
Listen (they say), this whole thing just depresses me. Stop talking about it. I'm thinking of taking my holiday this year outside France. All this blablabla from Monsieur Le President is getting to me. I don't want to think about it. J'en ai marre. Possibly a holiday even outside of Europe. But I want to make plans now, well in advance -- that's always a smart thing to do. Saves time, money, and if you can make your plans way in advance, you can get a real bargain. But I'd like to go to someplace with lots of museums, and sleeping greens sloping to baby rivers in college towns, and concert halls, and old stones, everything patina-ed by time and Western man, and nowhere a hint or a whiff of Qur'an and Hadith, and therefore of Jihad and dhimmitude as well, as carried by so many nowadays in their mental baggage.
Where do you recommend I go? And for how long will that recommendation remain valid?
Posted by Hugh at October 27, 2006 1:48 PM
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Chirac is the king of idiots. One day he'll make a fine head for the EU. The French would do themselves and the non-Islamic world a big favor by getting rid of this clueless moron. Let him put on his diaper (on his head) and move to a happy retirement to Tehran.
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at October 27, 2006 2:00 PM
Fitzgerald, I am busy and have not been watching and as a direct consequence of my absence, you have given in to temptation. When is your book coming out? Will your editor defend us from the need to run around for this or that dictionary?
To all (and forgive me if I am wrong):
"la carriere ouverte aux talents" is something like "the career is open to talents," as in, "I can go where my talents take me."
"metro, boulot, dodo" is "subway, work, sleep"; focusing solely on the day-to-day, personal issues.
"J'en ai marre" may be "I'm fed up!"
Posted by: StillBreathing at October 27, 2006 2:09 PM
In the last hour NPR described participants in the latest French violence as "disaffected youth." Another example PC Newspeak.
Posted by: Freedom1776 at October 27, 2006 3:04 PM
HUGH , you have a "problem " : you do see to many Parisian BOBO ( Bourgeois Boheme ) .If you go on seeing those stupid people you will depress to death . I am a countryside man , son of labour ,(fils d'ouvrier ) and because i lived a few years in Paris i know how much people there are so special : liberals and selfish .You should leave Paris and live in a village in the countryside "la Province " closed to everyday people .Why not Alsace ? it is a lovely place and people there are patriots voting for Le PEN like i do .Believe me , it is quite a different mentality and attitude than in Paris .
MOVE and GO in the countryside .
at October 27, 2006 3:24 PM
At a certain seaside resort in Brittany, there are still plenty of vacancies for a certain Mr. Hulot.
Posted by: remote_control at October 27, 2006 4:22 PM
Hi Hugh:
You posted the following:
"What "entrenched discrimination"? Ask the non-Muslim immigrants, the Chinese or Vietnamese or Hindus or Antillais. Ask Madame Belaya, or for that matter de author of "Un plat de porc..." if they suffer discrimination in that land of la carriere ouverte aux talents"
Could you please elaborate. I would like to know more about the comparitive experiences of other immigrant groups in France but at present I simply do not have time to do any digging for that information, least of all using search terms that are, to me, vague; like "Belaya".
I have heard from others studying issues related to integration of Europe's immigrant communities that, indeed, there is significant discrimination in France against the Muslims living there, and some of these would appear to believe that this discrimination exists "a priori" as the cause, not the result, of whatever identification they've made with Islamic Jihadist thought. Since its not at all unusual that such factors become entangled with the more religious dimensions of conflict, as it seems to me was largely the case, for example, in Northern Ireland, I'm at a bit of a loss knowing how to answer at present.
If, however there is reason to assume that their economic marginalization results from a prior alienation rooted in their pre-existing Muslim identity (other than the quite persuasive but not wholely sufficient, reality of the pervasive presence of violent Jihad throughout Islamic texts and tradition), it would be helpful to me at least, maybe to other readers as well, if you spelled it out for us with some specifics. I'm afraid I know very little about the history and sociology of France's Muslims at the moment. Hoping you can help me.
Thanx.
Templar
Posted by: templar at October 27, 2006 4:27 PM
"there are patriots voting for Le PEN like i do."
huh? Le Pen embraced the french muslims several months ago. The one party that makes sense for France (but not, it seems, to the French) is Mouvement Pour La France (MPF), which I believe was created in response to Le Pen's betrayal.
Posted by: StillBreathing at October 27, 2006 4:56 PM
For that matter, anyone else out there who can inform me about the success of France's non-Muslim immigrants at integration, economic and otherwise, I'd appreciate hearing from you.
thanx
Posted by: templar at October 27, 2006 5:20 PM
One way to look is by consulting the lists, published in the press, of those admitted after competitive examinations to the Grandes Ecoles. Look at the names. See how many Vinhs and Tranhs there are on that list, then go on through looking for Hindu names, or Chinese names. That's a start.
The French state is eager not to reveal, and even at times eager to not even collect, information by faith and ethnic background of its citizens, and is especially reluctant to reveal accurate information on Muslims in France, their estimated population, birth-rates, educational attainment, and so on. Perhaps others will have some figures or someone will choose to reveal here a few closely-held secrets.
Posted by: Hugh
at October 27, 2006 7:12 PM
Stillbreathing : i am sorry to tell you that you are wrong about Le Pen and MPF .
Mr LE PEN didn't do any 180 turn about muslim .Mr LE PEN was suited by leftist activists and far-left lobbies for his speech about muslim danger .The goal of those bastards was to get Mr LE PEN declared ineligible by the attorney .they failed but Mr LE PEN was obliged to pay a heavy fee for islamophobia ( around equivalent 50 000 USD i think ).AT the eve of Presidential election , Mr LE PEN is now very careful .He keeps his tongue on his pocket about the muslim but he didn't change his mind .
About MPF : this party was created many years ago by Mr Ph DE VILLIERS who was a minister in CHIRAC's government .The goal of this party is o try to grab voters from FN and to pass them to CHIRAC .Mr VILLIERS runs for CHIRAC . He does receive subsidies from government and the member of MPF who are elected in regional council did VOTE FOR construstion of MOSQUEES in region like Lorraine , Alsace and POITOU ( where Mr P DE VILLIERS is MP ).
Posted by: simon at October 28, 2006 12:35 AM
Le Pen is disreputable in a hundred collaborationist, poujadist ways. Philippe De Villiers is fine, far more perceptive than Sarkozy in whom so many (possibly misplaced) hopes have been placed. Some lepenistes apparently believethat Philippe De Villiers is doing Chirac's work for him, but this is never quite explained, since Chirac will soon be out of office, trying to stay out of jail.
It is Le Pen who has been inconsistent. He stood stoutly by Saddam Hussein, and appears to find the Muslim Arabs perfectly acceptable in the conduct of their Lesser Jihad against Israel, possibly a reflection of his most unsavory aspect. The best thing that could happen now for the emergence of a sensible anti-Islam movement in France would be the disappearance of Le Pen, and those of his supporters who supported him slightly or very unwillingly, malgre eux, can turn their attention, and support, to Philippe De Villiers, to give him power that he can trade on.
Posted by: Hugh at October 28, 2006 1:08 AM
[Le Pen] appears to find the Muslim Arabs perfectly acceptable in the conduct of their Lesser Jihad against Israel, possibly a reflection of his most unsavory aspect. -- Hugh Fitzgerald.
From an interview about one year ago:
Interviewer: Can you understand the complaints in Israel about the "hypocritical" European reaction?
Le Pen: "Certainly. After all, I got a similar reaction during the war in Algeria, when I served in General Massu's 10th division. We were called upon to fight the terrorism of the FLN (the Algerian nationalist movement that fought against French colonialism). The intelligentsia at home criticized our actions. It's very easy to criticize from the armchair in the living room. I completely understand the State of Israel, which is seeking to defend its citizens."
Interviewer: Do you condone the Israeli action against the Iraqi nuclear reactor?
Le Pen: "Yes, of course. That was an act of prevention. True, it doesn't conform to international law, but in such a situation, there is no need to use it."
Again, Le Pen: "The Israeli government says that it is a victim of terrorist activity, but this activity is less visible than the military strikes. I belonged to the 10th paratroop division that was ordered to destroy the terror in Algiers. This was after a series of terror attacks against civilians in public centers. The division did wipe out terror, and it didn't do this by being gentle with the terrorists. A war on terror is a brutal thing."
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=153419&sw=le+pen
Posted by: remote_control at October 28, 2006 2:17 AM
I rarely have time to comment on other blogs, but to those apologizing for Le Pen: sorry, but I'm on Hugh's side in this argument, and in case you haven't found out, you might want to take a look at the following:
http://galliawatch.blogspot.com/2006/09/le-pens-world-view.html
Le Pen is a master of moral equations and double-talk. That he'd be willing to lead Haaretz (which happens to be a leftist newspaper) around by the nose doesn't surprise me. I'm sorry, but that man is as bad as they come, and as the NY Sun first told in February, he's already sold out by making his platform more favorable to Muslims.
On another note, has he ever made any in depth arguments as to why any "minority group" he's attacked could go bad? Maybe, but I have yet to hear it.
Posted by: Avi Green at October 29, 2006 12:22 PM
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