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Posted by: Guillermox at November 1, 2006 7:25 AM

He is speaking the proof that muslims don't belong in free countries.

Posted by: freewoman at November 1, 2006 7:27 AM

To quote Geraldine "The devil made me do it".

Posted by: TheOmegaMan at November 1, 2006 7:54 AM

Is it becoming necessary to physically muzzle these so called "holy" men? Maybe that would count as a veil for Muslim men since we wouldn't want them to provoke women with THEIR charms! If nothing else, such a "veil" would at least shut these old coots up already.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 1, 2006 7:59 AM

"That's why the ideal is to have company with them all the time."

Hello, raping scuzzball? This is my dear friend Mr. Cattle Prod.

Posted by: GoldieLox at November 1, 2006 8:16 AM

How many times must it be said, rape is not about sex, it is about power and control. Muslim men, terrified of women, must have all the power and control, while women must remain subjugated. Now it seems these imams are suggesting that non-Muslim women also should be covered, at home, only allowed out if accompanied...........if they don't, and are assaulted, it must be their fault. Forever blaming the victim, forever blaming the woman for "provoking" the attack. Evil, medieval attitudes from an evil, medieval ideology.

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at November 1, 2006 8:20 AM

Imam Abdul Jalil Ahmad yesterday said women would be safer if they dressed appropriately and did not go out alone.

He is probably right...........after all he knows what primitive urges drive Muslim males to rape women..........all women, any women

Posted by: Voyager at November 1, 2006 8:21 AM

"Crime is always the fault of the criminal, but sometimes we have to take also preventative measures, like you would secure your home,"

Does he suggest the Australians deport all muslims?
Or do I misread him?

Posted by: FreeSpeech at November 1, 2006 8:30 AM

After all, tehy all try put the blame on teh victim, as they have been doing for some 1400 years

Posted by: FreeSpeech at November 1, 2006 8:30 AM

Oh, he is undoubtedly right. Women never going out alone, or at all, would reduce the number of sexual assaults. It's just that it would inconvenience women too much.

On the other hand, not letting Muslim men into Western countries would undoubtedly also reduce the number of sexual assaults (at least in the West), and would inconvenience fewer people. :)

Posted by: Vera at November 1, 2006 8:33 AM

The Imamas of the muslim religion hate women. This is fact. Perhaps they should consider WHY they hate women so much. Let's look at this logically, IF you claim that women are respected BUT you then say that they deserve to be raped you are showing a truly confused sexuality. Perhaps the imams that make these statements comparing women to meat should take a long hard look at there sexuality. Imagine you are gay in an islamic state, becoming an imam is surely the best way to hide that sexuality. What a shame that these imams have been turned into women hating psychotics because of their fear of admitting their sexuality. This is just a theory however and in no way meant to suggest that gay people are women haters, only that muslim gays can easily become psychotic by living constantly under the idea of a "perfect man", they strive to hide their homosexuality and become religious leaders in order that they can never be questioned. It must be very confusing for muslims as they follow a religion invented by a man who had sex with very young children. I am not religious but if the bible said that Jesus was a paedophile we would question the roots of Christianity, why then do the muslims not question the roots of islam? Islam appears to be a long running con, this is why they resort to violence for supposed insults to islam. Let's face it, if the religion stood up to any kind of investigation they would not have to murder the people who expose it's flaws.

We will never be able to discuss islam in an open manner with muslims because it is so obviously an invention of a disturbed man after control, nothing more. If I am wrong then I would ask any muslim who reads this forum to prove I am wrong instead of resorting to rhetoric. We know this will not happen.

Posted by: DaveMate at November 1, 2006 9:19 AM

Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world:

More guffaws from the other side of my monitor screen as I read these amazing exploits of Islamaniacs.

More proof that Islam reduces a person to focus on bodily urges, like an animal, and one is not to be blamed if one acts like an animal.

After all, "I was provoked when I (take your pick) lied to the kaffir, assaulted an insulter, raped the kaffir, killed my raped sister, killed my fornicating cousin, cut off the head of that blasphemer, burned buses and buildings to protect the name of allah!"

Oh, so holy. Just like old Mo.

Posted by: Stand fast in the liberty at November 1, 2006 9:20 AM

Open mouth, inset foot.

The good Imam continues to give the Aussies every red flag about Islamic intentions on their continent.

The ball is in the Aussies court, what will they do?

We know Muslims in Australia will publicly separate themselves from his comments eventhough they wholeheartedly agree with his barbaric ideology.

So, do we continue to dismiss the rants of a lone Iman or does the general public crack the spine on the Islamic texts: quran, hadith and sunnah and begin to read what they preach and believe.

I just do not understand. We have access to their playbook for world domination and we can't even be bothered to read it.

Those vile texts are the equivalent to the German enigma machine in WWII. In this case, we didn't even need to fight to capture it.

Y'know, we can win this war with fewer bombs and bullets than used in previous conventional wars. All we need to do is get some politicans and educated citizens to legislate the Muslims and protect ourselves.

Posted by: Sir Oinks Alot at November 1, 2006 10:03 AM

The motive for rape is to gain a sense of power by humiliating and defiling someone. I don't think that the way that someone is dressed comes into it.

Posted by: Elephant at November 1, 2006 10:15 AM

More from Australian:

Grenfell rape victim speaks out on Muslim sentencing

Ummah News Links

Posted by: ummahnewslinks at November 1, 2006 10:41 AM

" if the bible said that Jesus was a paedophile we would question the roots of Christianity, why then do the muslims not question the roots of Islam?"

from DaveMate above

And there inlies the problem, Islam does not allow for change in that the prophet gave them the religion for all time and only he could make changes.

"This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. - [Quran 05:03]"

Posted by: Mackie at November 1, 2006 11:06 AM

ummahnewslinks's link above has at least two disturbing facts:

1) According to a rape victim (raped by her Muslim doctor), half of her town in New South Wales does not believe her and has turned against her

2) That town is going to receive a new Muslim doctor to replace the old one -- if their society is so enervated it can't generate its own young doctors, can't they at least find a non-Muslim immigrant doctor?

Posted by: remote_control at November 1, 2006 11:48 AM

A veil will not stop a rapist. If a man is going to rape, he knows what is under a veil. If he gets a woman alone she is raped. No rape in islamic countries? BS. She would have to produce 4 witnesses to get him punished. How many rapes have witnesses?

Posted by: Carolyn2 at November 1, 2006 11:52 AM

Scott Adams, the Dilbert cartoonist posted a brillant plan today for reducing rape:

[...] " [Y]esterday [...] I read an article in Slate that says Internet porn apparently reduces the incidents of rape. The numbers show that when communities become more wired for the Internet, the rate of rape declines markedly while the rates of other crimes (such as murder) are unchanged.
http://www.slate.com/id/2152487/
As a political candidate, I would advocate some sort of tax rebate to subsidize Internet porn and Kleenex for single men between the ages of 18 and 35. That way all the potential rapists can more easily afford to exhaust themselves at home. I’d have graphs and charts to make my argument that no other policy would be as effective. My slogan would be “Deal with the root cause.” I would call it my Yankee Doodle plan."

http://dilbertblog.typepad.com/

Posted by: Malinois at November 1, 2006 12:02 PM

What about elderly women in comas in nursing homes? Are they provocative?

Women home in bed sleeping?

Yeah,it's all about not having that veil...

What strikes me is not that they're ignorant and medeival. It's the fact that anyone anywhere gives them any sort of credibility at all?

How on earth could someone, anyone listening say, "Hmmm, let me think about what he said, he might have a point?"

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Posted by: Eatyourpeas at November 1, 2006 12:22 PM

using this imans logic it would mean as a child i was resonsible for the pedifile rapeing myself
bulls-t rape is a powertrip for the rapeist using sex as a means to get power over the victem and any man that has any respect for himslf should be able to control himself ,heck it would mean that we would see woman being rappped at the local nude beach all the time if we had the same lack of morels about sex and woman but as Imam Abdul Jalil Ahmad and his aparent lack of control we do not so his bs about women being responible for there rapist action and needing a head scraf and needing a male relitive when they go out funny thing my wife was camped out by cape canaveral in her van 2 muslim males told her to stip and spread her legs she said no thanks im married to a good crhistian man they said your not muslim so what she pulled out what looked like in the dark a 46 colt he heard o s-t shes got a gun and they ran
the problem to me seems to be muslims only consider muslim women to be fully human and and non muslim women to be theres for the taking
and lets not forget in ww2 the muslim nations were part of the axis nations

Posted by: islamakapigeaters at November 1, 2006 12:29 PM

She would have to produce 4 witnesses to get him punished. How many rapes have witnesses?

Posted by: Carolyn2 at November 1, 2006 11:52 AM

This sort of explains why Islam keeps gaining new followers. It attracts the worst of people because it makes evil acts so convenient and easy.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 1, 2006 12:48 PM

MUSLIM = CRACKPOT

Posted by: wallyUK at November 1, 2006 1:30 PM

THE most senior Muslim cleric in Western Australia has called on women not to leave their homes unaccompanied and insists sexual assaults happen only because "the man is provoked". Especially when they are alone, there's a problem. That's why the ideal is to have company with them all the time.

So, sexual repression does have consequences. Men can't control themselves? How about what happened in Egypt the other day. Mass assults by groups of men from 10 to 40, gong around assulting women. If you are told you can't have something you will only want it more until it all blows up.

But, Allah knows best.

Posted by: Phximan at November 1, 2006 2:07 PM

We have to remember that islam was invented by a paedophile. How can anyone support that view. I would dearly love ANY muslim to refute the claim that mohhamed was a paedophile, I just don't think that you can. So, a religion, invented by a paedophile is not a religon of god, SURELY. If mohammed HAD spoken to god as he himself claimed then god would have told him that raping children was BAD. Mohammed was a sexual deviant based on the evidence of the koran. I would love to proved wrong on this point but I suspect that no muslim CAN disprove this. Come on muslims, wake up and realise that you are part of a con, instigated hundreds of years ago and never challenged. I want to help muslims to move away from this religon of molestation.

Posted by: DaveMate at November 1, 2006 2:54 PM

The islamics have organised a rally in support of the iman at Lakemba in Sydney on Saturday.If you thought there was religious or racial violence at Cronulla at the beginning of the year I would watch what happens here. I hope there is none but I think a lot of Australians have had enough of these bastards.

Posted by: cobber at November 1, 2006 4:31 PM

A veil will not stop a rapist. If a man is going to rape, he knows what is under a veil. If he gets a woman alone she is raped. No rape in islamic countries? BS. She would have to produce 4 witnesses to get him punished. How many rapes have witnesses?

Posted by: Carolyn2

You are dead on the money, during el fid (after rahmadan, rape gangs terrorized Egypt. Their press carried the stories, muslim women were forced away from men, surrounded and raped by mobs, so much for the veil stopping anyone. They claimed people stopped most of them funny how that happened when no one-not one was arrested. I am starting to believe there is not a muslim woman in the world who has not been attacked.

Posted by: Ronin at November 1, 2006 5:26 PM

It is not just Egypt:

Trafficked from Pakistan, raped and jailed in Saudi Arabia
Mazhar Abbas
AFP
April 25, 2006

KARACHI, Pakistan -- Sixteen-year-old Isma Mahmood was deported to Pakistan last month after serving six months in shackles and handcuffs in a prison in Saudi Arabia. Her crime: being raped by a Saudi man.

"It's difficult for me to talk about what happened to me, from rape to prison and from prison to deportation," Isma said in the office of a rescue trust in Karachi where she sat with her sister Muna, 18, who was also deported.

Isma's parents, originally from the central Pakistani city of Multan, were trafficked to Saudi Arabia around 20 years ago. "Though both of us were born there, we are Pakistanis," Isma said.

Human rights groups say that hundreds of people, particularly young women, are still trafficked from South Asia every year, with many going on to face a life blighted by physical and often sexual abuse.

In Isma's case, being born in Saudi Arabia was no help when she was raped last year in the holy city of Medina.

"I was the victim, I was raped and molested but I was named as the accused, and the man who committed the crime was not touched," she said, hiding her face with both hands in shame.

"He first kidnapped me, dragged me into his car," Isma said. "At first he asked me to sleep with him and offered good money. When I refused and tried to resist, he warned me of dire consequences and raped me in the car."

The unnamed man warned her that she would be imprisoned if she went to police, and said that the Saudi sponsor who brought her parents to the country through a Pakistani agent would have them all expelled.

"I am very powerful and could declare you a bad girl. Your father's sponsor is my friend and he will not support you," she quoted the man as telling her.

The sponsor, too, threatened Isma and Muna, warning that they would be punished unless they kept silent, she said, asking that the sponsor's name not be revealed to spare her family any additional grief.

"I and my sister thought otherwise and we went to police as we expected justice. But after a few hours of filing the report the police allegedly changed it," Isma said.

Under pressure from the Saudi sponsor, Isma's parents asked her to withdraw her allegations.

"I never wanted my parents to get into trouble as they were at the mercy of the sponsor and he lived in our neighborhood. So I did not speak much but police still put me behind bars," she said.

"My sister Muna tried to help me out but was also arrested and put into prison only because she spoke for me. They don't support immigrants and protect Saudi nationals," she said. "They never told us what the charges were."

Once in jail, their nightmare began in earnest, Isma said.

The women prisoners were mostly Pakistanis, Indonesians, Bangladeshis and Nigerians. Most of them came to Saudi Arabia through trafficking networks and were charged with prostitution, she said.

"No one would believe what it was like," Muna said.

"When I used to protest against the ill treatment they beat me on my back," Isma added. "We were chained all during this period. The only time jail officials removed the chain was during lunch or when anyone went to the bathroom or at prayer time," she said.

"Once a jail official offered me help and assured me I would be released if I agreed to sleep with him ... There was a Pakistani woman who was over 40 years old and developed Aids in prison, but she remained in chains before she was deported to Pakistan," she added.

Isma and Muna are now in the care of the Ansar Burney Trust, which deals with most of the hundreds of Pakistanis who are deported from the Middle East every year.

"It's pathetic that all this happened with Isma at the hands of a fellow Muslim," the trust's president Ansar Burney said.

Burney says that many poor women and girls from South Asia are lured with promises of good money working as maids or nurses, but their Arab sponsors and Pakistan agents later force them into prostitution.

Anyone who talks about the abuse faces the same fate as Isma and Muna, he said.

Pakistan in January arrested three people who ran a travel agency that allegedly sent young girls to the United Arab Emirates and other countries through fraudulent means, where they were forced into prostitution, officials said.

"The traffickers act like mafia and have contacts in the law enforcement and intelligence agencies, and if their photographs, names or details came in the media the girls' safety comes under threat," Burney said.

"They first put advertisements in newspapers, asking for maids or nurses and offer them good salaries. After interviews they arranged their passport, visa and other traveling documents through travel agents, who, too, in many cases were part of the gang," Burney said.

Some girls are also trafficked into Pakistan, Burney said, especially from Bangladesh.

"The government has failed to check the smuggling of children and women as they are not serious about proper legislation," said Anis Haroon, president of Pakistan's Aurat (Women) Foundation.

Posted by: Ronin at November 1, 2006 5:33 PM

Necrophilia is raping the dead.

Coma patients, nursing home patients, babies, goats, donkeys, anything available.

When the veils go on does the homosexual rape rate increase?

I wonder what all those veiled women in jail for being raped in South Asia would say?

Posted by: Borg at November 1, 2006 7:54 PM

Remember Ayatolla Khomeanies warning:

When you have intercourse with an animal, like a sheep, do not eat its meat. This is sinful.

More sexual advise for Muslim males.

Posted by: Briars at November 1, 2006 10:02 PM

"I would dearly love ANY muslim to refute the claim that mohhamed was a paedophile"

I've read that refute somewhere online. Goes like this: 'he only slept with one girl. Because he generally slept with women, one wife even being older than he. Aisha was an exception, not an indication of his general leanings. Thus, he was not a paeophile. And sleeping with a 9 year old was perfectly OK in his day.'

Even if he was not a paedophile per se, he, and any man following his 'perfect' example, is definitely, in today's terms, a child rapist.

Actually, I think 'child rapist' sounds even 'better' (worse) than paedophile.

Posted by: Lili at November 2, 2006 1:33 AM

Cobber
The islamics have cancelled the rally in support of the iman at Lakemba in Sydney on Saturday.
I was so looking forward to the counter rally...

Posted by: eloivsdiablo at November 2, 2006 1:33 AM

I wonder if the Mossies apply the same logic to their child molesting activities? When one of their perverts 'marries' a child or otherwise sexually abuses him/her, do they believe that the child has 'provoked' the assault in some way?

This is, after all, the most common defence put forward by paedophiles in the West after they have been charged.

Posted by: enemyofislam at November 2, 2006 5:56 AM

you see the assault only happens because the man is provoked sexually or something like that."

This statement verifies the vast disparities between islamic and Western thought. Their moral code is based on the model of their prophet, who by Western standards is the epitome of evil. They see everything from a different perspective, especially violence. Violence is intrinsic to islam, especially violence against women. Women are inferior, satanic beings who tempt men to violate allah's will. They are tolerated to perform two functions: sex and child bearing. If muslims could figure out a way to procreate without women, there would be no muslimas.

Rape is not about sex, it is about the domination, humiliation, and degradation of a woman. For muslim men, who are sexually repressed and misogynistic, rape is a primordial expression of their utter contempt for females and their very existence. Any muslim woman who buys into the bunk that wearing a burka or other type of veil is a pious expression of modesty is a fool. She is simply shielding superior males from her wicked wiles so they won't have to behave like disciplined adults, and allowing them to blame immodesty for their rage against women. Muslim men are programmed by islam to believe that women are stupid, devious, and inherently wicked, and will incessantly encourage them to disobey allah by tempting them to engage in illicit sex. When muslim males rape women, they are punishing them for the crime of being female.

Posted by: Susanp at November 2, 2006 2:40 PM

"The devil made me (them) do it" -Flip Wilson

Well, in the case of Islam there could be some truth to that comical excuse as al-lah is probably Satan.

Posted by: pythagoras at November 7, 2006 9:24 PM