What in America is a case of

"The state has criminalized these basic Muslim behaviors"

is true. Why deny it. I know from eye witness testimony that in Saudi it is normal for slaves (oops servants) from asia to have:

1) passports held
2) be used sexually
3) be paid poorly
4) generally be treated badly

Saudi portrays itself as a Mohammedan nation and produces loads of tracts about the veracity of Islam, etc.

Saudi claims to be 100% Mohammedan so these undisputed well known facts about how domestics are treated lead me to conclude that they are indeed,

"basic moslem behaviours."

And I for one would rather die fighting than have these basic behaviours legalised in my country wasting the death of the previous genarations of many families who fought and died to preserve freedom.

Posted by: exposesithlords at November 19, 2006 8:20 AM

"The state has criminalized these basic Muslim behaviors,"

Sorry Fellahs,
Raping the slave girls might a basic Muslim right, but we don't allow it in the West. You see we don't allow slaves nor rape. Tough break; maybe you could return to your Islamic paradises to continue your animalistic traditons.

Posted by: ThirdWorldHeaven at November 19, 2006 8:23 AM

This gives us a further incentive to stop using as much gas and heating oil.
When we don't rely as much on foreign oil we won't have to crawl to these monsters.

Posted by: Maimonides at November 19, 2006 8:38 AM

Posted by: ThirdWorldHeaven

Tough break; maybe you could return to your Islamic paradises to continue your animalistic traditons.

After being a maid in an american jail first

Posted by: shiva at November 19, 2006 8:39 AM

Excuse me, what are we doing this for? Since when has any saudi come to America to explain why an American was held in Saudi jail? or was raped? or killed? or why their citizens flew planes in to NY, Washington and in Pennsylvannia..

This sounds like a case of political correctness run amok. The state of Colorado ought to review this procedure and prevent it from happening again. Next thing you know, we will be flying to Sudan to "explain what happened." Speaking of which when are the people responsible for Darfur and other middle eastern outrages going to come here and "explain what happened" to us.

Posted by: lonewolf at November 19, 2006 8:55 AM

JEDDAH, 26 December 2005 — A Riyadh judge sentenced an Indonesian maid, who accused her sponsor and his wife of torturing her, to 79 lashes yesterday.

“We have made our appeal to the court and we trust in the Saudi court system and have confidence in it,” said Nour Miyati’s lawyer, Nasser Al-Dandani, who was appointed to her by the Indonesian Embassy.

In March, Miyati was brought to a hospital in Riyadh by her sponsor in a critical condition suffering from gangrene to her fingers, toes and a part of her right foot. Doctors had to remove some of her fingers and toes.

At first Miyati claimed that her sponsor tied her up for a month in a bathroom and beat her severely injuring her eyes and knocking out several of her teeth. But Miyati later changed her testimony and was subsequently charged with making false accusations of torture against her sponsor.

A judge later sentenced the sponsor’s wife, who admitted to beating Miyati, to 35 lashes. The husband was found innocent due to lack of evidence against him.

The judge is yet to issue a decision on Miyati’s case against her sponsor for beating her. The sponsor will have to provide monetary compensation to the maid if the judge rules in her favor.

In July, Saudi authorities imprisoned Miyati while she was still being treated at the Specialist Hospital in Riyadh for her wounds and amputations.

Following complaints by her lawyer, Dandani, and the Indonesian Embassy, Miyati was released to the care of the Nahda Women’s Charity Society by orders of Riyadh Gov. Prince Salman.

Officials at the Indonesian Embassy refused to elaborate or comment on the sentencing until a final decision is made. The embassy remains in contact with Miyati at her lawyer’s residence.

“She is still in my house as a guest and receiving the medical treatment she needs,” Dandani said.

Posted by: shiva at November 19, 2006 8:56 AM

Indonesian maid goes through hell in Saudi
Web posted at: 4/9/2005 3:42:57
Source ::: The Peninsula
Pictures show the severe wounds on the body of Sitri Binti Tandar Iskandar inflicted on her by her ruthless Saudi employer’s family.
Doha: An Indonesian maid flying home from Jeddah via Doha on Tuesday, was rushed to the hospital for emergency treatment after she collapsed on board the flight and was found to have been severely injured.

The frail-looking 23-year-old Sitri Binti Tandar Iskandar is admitted to the Hamad General Hospital (HGH) with severe wounds and scars all over her body.

She said she was brutally battered by the wife and children of her Saudi sponsor and handed a one-way air ticket to Jakarta and put in a bus that took her to the international airport in Jeddah.

She was made to wear a black abaya, the clothing that Arab women wear that covers the entire body, so her wounds and scars would not be visible.
Pictures show the severe wounds on the body of Sitri Binti Tandar Iskandar inflicted on her by her ruthless Saudi employer’s family.

Sitri suffered from malnutrition, besides severe injuries, and fainted on board. Fellow passengers raised an alarm that prompted the crew to report the matter to the authorities when the plane landed in Doha.

She was immediately rushed for emergency medical care. Sitri left her home in Cianjur in the Western Java province in September last year to work as a domestic with a Saudi family in Taif.

She was forced to look for a maid's job overseas as her poor parents were finding it hard to support a large family comprising herself, three other sisters and a brother.

http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/Display_news.asp?section=Local_News&month=April2005&file=Local_News2005040934257.xml

Posted by: shiva at November 19, 2006 9:05 AM

Yes the U.S. judicial system is biased against systematic sexual abuse and slavery. So is the US constitution ( Amendment 14 )

Get used to it you mo-foes. If you don't like it, stay home. Fuck you.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at November 19, 2006 9:06 AM

Suthers sat knee-to-knee for an hour with King Abdullah and also met with Crown Prince Sultan, Saudi journalists and relatives of Al-Turki during his weeklong trip to the capital city of Riyadh, Deputy Attorney General Jason Dunn said Friday.

"Colorado Attorney General John Suthers dining with the Saudis,I would have more respect for this piece of shiit if he had done his home-work and sat knee to knee over a bowl of rice with the family of Al-turki victim.

No wonder that many in Asia are so anti American when the elites in America lick arse of the facists that suppress the lower classes

Posted by: shiva at November 19, 2006 9:18 AM

Slavery is ok in Islam.
(Not in civilization, though, but civilazation does not count)

Posted by: FreeSpeech at November 19, 2006 9:40 AM

Does this Attorney General visit every convicts parents or relatives to "reasure" them?

Is this Attorney General ashamed of justice?

Does this Attorney General realize that our laws are different from the savages and why that is?

This should be front page news so everyone in America and the free world can see how some of our leaders are bowing down to or caving in, to the people of the religion that has declared war on us.

This Attorney General needs to go. Any other politician that was involved in this needs to be outed and gone.

Posted by: freewoman at November 19, 2006 10:13 AM

This is one to watch. Expect the story to drop off the radar and watch some politician to personally take an interest in this case and ask for “cultural considerations” (time off or special treatment) no doubt a few well placed champaign contributions could ease this guys pain. Anything to show our friends the saudis that al turki is ok. Where are the news stories about how the poor captive slave girl is doing? Why is she not on oprah? Where are her personal appearances and book deals? We should be exploiting these stories to show the real face of the religion of peace, instead we simplify them by making all these stories into isolated events. A website with running count of crimes committed by muslims by country would wake a few up people up, right before it was shut down for fueling hate.

Posted by: Ronin at November 19, 2006 10:21 AM

The article says the the Feds also backed the trip and paid for it. I am disgusted with our government's conduct with the Saudi's. It is either Saudi money, or cowardice in Washington.

"Suthers sat knee-to-knee for an hour with King Abdullah and also met with Crown Prince Sultan . . . "

Did he kiss the prince's ass? Well, it was a figurative ass kissing anyway.

On the other hand, if Mr Suthers was humiliated and made this trip against his will and at the insistance of "the Feds" (i.e. George Bush), Mr Suthers should have resigned. Cowardice appears to be contageous.

My cynicism is getting the best of me. We are on our own, our government is failing to protect us from the insipid creep of Islamization.

Posted by: Pelayo at November 19, 2006 10:32 AM

"This Attorney General needs to go. Any other politician that was involved in this needs to be outed and gone. Posted by freewoman.

Take heart Freewoman, Georgie Bush will be out. His term ends in early January, 2009.

The American people (that would be us) will probably elect another spineless, future dhimmi to take up space in the White House. We need Harry Truman, Teddy Roosevelt, or anybody else.

Posted by: Pelayo at November 19, 2006 10:43 AM

Maybe politicians running for office need to declare what people in what governments they are good friends with.

I tell my husband all the time, there needs to be common people with common sense and strong values running for offices. They don't need to be rich or lawyers, but strong enough people who won't be chewed up and spit out by those already in Washington.

Common sense overrules P.C. in my book. Multiculture dooms us.

Posted by: freewoman at November 19, 2006 10:59 AM

So slavery is a "basic Muslim behavior".

Well, it allows it in the Quran. So at its most fundamental, it passes the old nonsensical adage about conflict between hadith and Quran.

Where are the moderates who will decry this position?

Prophet Geoff

Posted by: Geoff at November 19, 2006 11:02 AM

"The Saudi government gave Al-Turki $400,000 to post bail on the charges."

An Indonesia maid earning $150 a month,at that rate she would have to work 330yrs,to earn $400,000

Posted by: shiva at November 19, 2006 11:35 AM

The way in which western counties are drawn into conniving with Saudi corruption and illegalities is highlighted by a current case in the UK. The Saudi royal family have threatened to break of diplomatic relations with the UK (!) and cease to supply intelligence about al Quaeda (!!) if the British police don't stop imvestigating a bribery scandal involving members of their royal famiy - it's the usual long term bribes in return for arms / aircraft contracts stuff. It may be my inability to use a search engine or paranoia, but the story, reported by the BBC several times last night seems to have disappeared without trace today.

Posted by: wallyUK at November 19, 2006 11:56 AM

Muslims who come here must live by our laws. We do not allow human trafficking or sex slavery, or entrapment. We are a free society with secular laws that respect the rights of individuals equally, for both men and women. Muslims live here, they obey our laws, no matter what laws they came from, or excuse their insensitive vile behaviors towards women, or infidels, or gays or whomever. Their Koranic laws do not apply here. They live here, they obey our laws, or leave. That is the greatest freedom they have in our free society: FREEDOM TO LEAVE. Otherwise, they break out laws, they suffer our justice. There is no debate on this.

Posted by: Battle_of_Tours at November 19, 2006 12:00 PM

Many Saudis say Al-Turki would not have been convicted in his own country.

Of course this turkey would have gotten off in the beloved ummah. Slavery is a cherished notion in the Koran.

Is it not enough that we are mercenaries for these filthy rich (from our money) pigs? Now we have to handle their riff raff here with kid gloves. Some superpower, sucking at the teet of Saudi Arabia in so many ways. It's enough to make one ashamed to be an American.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 19, 2006 12:03 PM

Ronin

"Why is she not on oprah?"

Tough chance. One of the reasons Oprah is so hugely popular is that she never, ever tackles difficult political, cultural and moral issues. Which means she never upsets anybody or any particular group. Her approach to life is always of the soft, "let's all get along" variety.

Posted by: ovidius_naso at November 19, 2006 12:17 PM

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS

Many Saudis say Al-Turki would not have been convicted in his own country.

Chances are you are very right

If we look at my previous comment you will the victim "Nour Miyati" was to 79 lashes

A judge later sentenced the sponsor’s wife, who admitted to beating Miyati, to 35 lashes. The husband was found innocent due to lack of evidence against him.

Posted by: shiva at November 19, 2006 12:23 PM

The turkey would not have only been NOT convicted, he would have never been charged with anything at all. In his country, he broke no laws.

Posted by: freewoman at November 19, 2006 12:34 PM

Ronin, Oprah is pro-islam and anti-Jew. Always has been. She is one of the pillars of the Left. And she has a brain dead, captive audience of worshippers. Oprah did a puff piece on Mohammad Atta after the 9/11 attacks to explain, in her view, his personal motivation for doing a bad thing. If you sent her a copy of The Truth About Mohammad, Oprah would stomp on it, rip it up, light it on fire, and fling it out the window. It would not make her book club.

Posted by: August22 at November 19, 2006 12:49 PM

An Attorney Generel is an officer in one of the sovereign branches of the USA. Has it come to this -- our Saudi Overlords can now summon them from the provinces to justify American secular law to the barbarian?!

As they say --- WTF?

Posted by: jsla at November 19, 2006 1:06 PM

Well, one more reason to tell the Da'wa boys that their religion is an affornt to both God and man. Wilberforce's disciples and followers had the Christian West by its conscience; they try the same message on Islam and hear, "But that's the only thing those people are good for!"

To think that the only period of time when Sudan was free of slave raiders, markets, and the abuse of the victims was when Perfidious Albion ruled it! To think that British Christian Puritanism ends up with the Clapham Sect, the non-conformist conscience and the like, while Arab Muslim "Purtianism" justifies cruelty as basic Muslim behavior! No, not all cultures were created equal.

BTW, while a Puritan, I'm not British.

Posted by: Kepha at November 19, 2006 1:17 PM

August22

"Oprah did a puff piece on Mohammad Atta after the 9/11 attacks to explain, in her view, his personal motivation for doing a bad thing."

I didn't know this.
I stand corrected in what I responded to Ronin.

Posted by: ovidius_naso at November 19, 2006 1:23 PM

I don't understand this. Why does the United States government have to answer to the Saudis? That's the bottom line, as far as I'm concerned. It's not about P.R., is it?

Since when does the U.S. have to fly around to oppressive countries and back-pedal and soft-soap its legal system?

Who's the boss of the United States of America?

Posted by: Josephine at November 19, 2006 1:26 PM

ovidius_naso and August22,

You are both right and I shouldn’t have used oprah as an example. What I should have asked is why she was not on talk shows and not mentioned only one, especially one I do not watch. My haste to post over ran my ability to think, unfortunately that happens way too often. The need to bring islams victims into the public eye will have to happen if we are to roll back their gains. As of now that seems like a job for the IMF but they exist only on TV and movies. I’m willing to bet there are literally millions of victims who would love a voice just as there are powerful forces desperately trying to shut them all up. Proof of that is the numbers of “guest workers” going to muslim countries continues to climb while news of the abuses never seem to spread. The muslims are masters at this game we are amateurs but they did have a 1400 year head start.

Posted by: Ronin at November 19, 2006 1:30 PM

In retrospect the worst thing the West ever did was finding and developing oil fields in the Middle East. We pay plenty of money for that oil and it ends up financing jihad against us. And we can NEVER displease the Saudi royals for fear of turning off the oil spigots. So what happens? We make sure they're defended to the last Western soldier and we treat their criminals softly. Had the oil remained underground these losers would still be more interested in pitching tents in the desert and enjoying conjugal relations with their camels. Hell, Islam might have been dying a slow death all these years for lack of interest. At least then they wouldn't have the means or the reasons to create all kinds of trouble in the rest of the world. They'd be as docile as much of the remainder of the third world.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 19, 2006 2:33 PM

Shiva,

What ultimately happened to the Indonesian maid? Was the flogging carried out? Did she return home?
Etc.

Posted by: PRCS at November 19, 2006 2:44 PM

ISLAMSFORLOSERS,

While I agree with you, we did need the oil to keep our own Western populations happy. The intervening years should have taught us something about our ability, or lack thereof, to have normal relations with the Islamic world.

I am currently in favor of either inventing a new energy source that allows us to avoid dealing with them(of course, who isn't?) or just stealing their damn oil for real. As far as I can see, Islam is all "cost" and no "benefit" for anyone who is not part of the upper echelons of Islamic societies, e.g. imams, members of royal families.

Posted by: venividivici at November 19, 2006 2:50 PM

venividivici-

I guess sooner or later the West would have gone into the Middle East looking for oil. However, it would have been interesting to see how the energy industry would have developed had it steered clear of the area longer. Would the West have worked harder to replace oil with something else once it started to run out in areas closer to home?

Since such speculation is now pointless getting us off oil from cesspoolia should be a top priority. 35 years of being at the mercy of these losers should have sparked a project to move away from oil long ago.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 19, 2006 3:00 PM

When it comes to the Saudi-American relationship, the White House should be called the ‘White Tent.'

- Mohammed Al-Khilewi, a Saudi diplomat who defected to the United States

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/995

Here is Suthers email address:

attorney.general@state.co.us

Please forward your thoughts.

Posted by: Charles Martel at November 19, 2006 3:15 PM

The state has criminalized these basic Muslim behaviors, well its not surprizing that al turki would claim this simply because it seems that all muslims seem to feel that they are above secular law
even there own , savlery was outlawed in the kingdom
over 40 years ago my care giver taught in saudi arbia a few years back and he tells me that he saw slaves still being bought and sold it was just done very quiitly and if the slavers got caught they paid the sharia court judge a bribe and were let go
we are dealing with peaple who follow the Wahhabi Movement:
Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab began a campaign of spiritual renewal in the smaller city states of Arabia in the mid- 1700s. His extremely traditional group opposed all innovations within Islam, often using violence to enforce its views. The group threatened to become the first nation state in Arabia, prompting a crackdown by the Egyptian army in 1818. Today, Wahhabism is quite strong in Saudi Arabia. It demands punishment for those who enjoy any form of music except the drum and severe punishment up to death for drinking or sexual transgressions. It condemns as unbelievers those who do not pray, a view that never previously existed in mainstream Islam. Wahhabism has been an inspiration to Osama bin Laden.
traditional group like Wahhabi Movement: is going to try and imitate there cult leader as much as posible and seing how muhammud said geeping slaves was ok and f--king them at will was ok and he is there perfict man2:223 Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate) so go to your tilth as ye will, and send (good deeds) before you for your souls, and fear Allah, and know that ye will (one day) meet Him. Give glad tidings to believers, (O Muhammad).

Posted by: islamakapigeaters at November 19, 2006 3:47 PM

The state has criminalized these basic Muslim behaviors, well its not surprizing that al turki would claim this simply because it seems that all muslims seem to feel that they are above secular law
even there own , savlery was outlawed in the kingdom
over 40 years ago my care giver taught in saudi arbia a few years back and he tells me that he saw slaves still being bought and sold it was just done very quiitly and if the slavers got caught they paid the sharia court judge a bribe and were let go
we are dealing with peaple who follow the Wahhabi Movement:
Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab began a campaign of spiritual renewal in the smaller city states of Arabia in the mid- 1700s. His extremely traditional group opposed all innovations within Islam, often using violence to enforce its views. The group threatened to become the first nation state in Arabia, prompting a crackdown by the Egyptian army in 1818. Today, Wahhabism is quite strong in Saudi Arabia. It demands punishment for those who enjoy any form of music except the drum and severe punishment up to death for drinking or sexual transgressions. It condemns as unbelievers those who do not pray, a view that never previously existed in mainstream Islam. Wahhabism has been an inspiration to Osama bin Laden.
traditional group like Wahhabi Movement: is going to try and imitate there cult leader as much as posible and seing how muhammud said geeping slaves was ok and f--king them at will was ok and he is there perfict man2:223 Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate) so go to your tilth as ye will, and send (good deeds) before you for your souls, and fear Allah, and know that ye will (one day) meet Him. Give glad tidings to believers, (O Muhammad).

Posted by: islamakapigeaters at November 19, 2006 3:48 PM

I agree with all who posted. I would like to offer these comments that should have been conveyed to the Royals of Saudi Arabia by fax or E-mail. It should be written something like this;

This is in response to the issue you seem to be concerned about. First, let me remind you of the fact that Al-Turki was convicted under the laws of the US after all the evidence was carefully presented and heard. It is a fact that if anyone from the US who should appears before one your courts would not be afforded the same fair trial. Therefore, in closing, do not interfere with the laws and courts of the US. In addition when he has completed his sentence, all those who participated in this crime will be deported. Consider this case closed.

As for the statement of this criminal;
"The state has criminalized these basic Muslim behaviors,"
The fact is there are laws in the US to protect people from being victimized by criminals such as Al-Turki. By his statement he is implying his “basic Muslim behaviors” should take precedence over US laws. Should never happen - end of that story.

The Saudi government gave Al-Turki $400,000 to post bail on the charges.
This is a bold gesture of the Saudi’s in the pursuit of “justice.” So therefore in the pursuit of justice, the funds should be awarded to the victim as a small compensation for all the pain and suffering she endured at the hands of these criminals.

Posted by: THSIMJ at November 19, 2006 4:24 PM

"radical islam is the problem eh? How about stupid selfish whitepeople that make up lies about indigenous populations and the middle class so that they can murder them with impunity?"

By a.monsster | Nov 19, 2006 7:41:02 PM

From page 15 of comments on WaPo article :

"Embittered Insiders Turn Against Bush"

By Peter Baker
Washington Post Staff Writer

Sunday, November 19, 2006; Page A01

Posted by: Old Atlantic at November 19, 2006 8:17 PM

Following reply posted on same page as above.

Note WaPo comments removes " and other symbols, so one has to use quote end quote, or unquote.

quote radical islam is the problem eh? How about stupid selfish whitepeople that make up lies about indigenous populations and the middle class so that they can murder them with impunity? end quote from a.monsster | Nov 19, 2006 7:41:02 PM. In 633 A.D., the indigenous population in Palestine and Syria was Christian and Jewish, and of mixed ancestry. An ideology was developed starting in 622 A.D. under Dark Age conditions of scarcity to unify the Arabs and attack and conquer the lands of the Western superpower. This ideology has been with us ever since, attacked us in every century ever since, and has been responsible for more slavery than all other forces in history. This includes slavery of indigenous people in Africa, India, Europe, and Asia. Slavery continued legally in Saudi Arabia until US oil companies told the indigenous people to stop it. The State of Colorado prosecuted a man for practicing slavery and the state AG has flown to Saudi Arabia. quote Colorado Attorney General John Suthers flew to Saudi Arabia this week to reassure government officials there that Homaidan Al-Turki was treated fairly when he was convicted of sexually abusing an Indonesian nanny held a virtual captive in his Aurora home. end quote. See Dhimmiwatch org quote "The state has criminalized these basic Muslim behaviors," "Attacking traditional Muslim behaviors was the focal point of the prosecution." end quote. "he told the judge."
quote Many Saudis say Al-Turki would not have been convicted in his own country. end quote.

Posted by: Old Atlantic at November 19, 2006 8:23 PM

Colorado is an interesting state.

They sometimes act kind of like Nothern California. They have a lot of money. I think the U.S. govt has set up a secondary headquarters there.

They often vote democrat. It makes sense that this guy would go to grovel.

Posted by: credit man at November 19, 2006 9:00 PM

It came as a surprise to me that the automotive industry was set to go the way of the electric car a hundred years ago. In fact, the land speed record was set in 1899 by an electric car and two years before, most of the taxis in New York City were electric.

The electric car was sideswiped by the gasoline car by about 1920 but only because Henry Ford found a way to mass produce automobiles on an assembly line, and he chose gasoline engines over electric for reasons of range. After that, research into battery technology fell off, and we were on our way to oil addiction.

After oil became big business, their lobbyists made sure that the government did nothing to fundamentally alter the foundations of our gasoline-powered, internal combustion engine economy. And that is where things sit today, over 100 years later. We could have gone off oil at any time. We can switch today, if we wanted to. But too many people make too much money with the status quo. That is why we are kept beholden to the islamic menace.

So the sad fact is, we don't need middle east oil, and we never did. What is even more galling, is that the saudi oil was under the ownership of American interests, from the day it was discovered in 1938 to 1973.

But in 1973, the year of the Yom Kippur war, when the Saudis showed how vindictive and dangerous they could be when islam is insulted, the US government, under the auspices of Exxon and Texaco, sold them 25%. Why? To appease them. Unbelievabley, they sold them 60% control a year later. Why? To appease them some more. What is even more unbelievable, is that during the hostage crisis of 1980, when islam reared its ugly head against America for the first time in the oil age, the full control of the largest proven oil reserves in the world were given away to the saudis, thereby removing all American control over the oil supply. So, there you have it. We had control of the oil, but we relinquished it.

The two bad guys that got us into this addiction to islamic oil mess? Mr Ford, and Mr Ford. The former was a noted anti-semite, and the latter was a dimwit.

Posted by: August22 at November 19, 2006 9:12 PM

What business is it of the Attorney General to fly off to Saudi Arabia to "explain" anything to anybody there. It is they who owe the civilized world an explanation. They owe us an explanation for not just this case, but the dozens and hundreds of similar cases, involving rich Saudis and other Arabs, enslaving and mistreating servants whom they bring with them to the West while the man is engaged in so-called "studies" and often his Saudi wife turns out to be just as hideous in her behavior as he is. And sometimes it is not a happy Saudi couple but merely a princessette or princeling of the Al-Saud, someone who enjoys, say, throwing an Indonesian maid down the stairs.

What was Colorado Attorney General Stuthers doing flying off to Saudi Arabia? Why did he think he owed an explanation to Saudi Arabia? What did he think would happen to Colorado -- that it wouldn't be sold oil? That Prince Bandar's pleasure dome in Aspen -- the one for which he razed a small mountian without permission in order to give himself a better view -- would not be bought by another Saudi (it's on the market now for more than $20 million). Saudi Arabia has nothing, can do nothing, to us. There is no oil weapon. Saudi Arabia is completely dependnet on the sale of oil. It is now threatened, fortunately, by all sorts of conceivable instability, and there is no reason to worry one whit about Saudi sentiments, Saudi attitudes. Saudi Arabia is, and always has been, and always will be -- it can do no other -- a main funder of the world-wide Jihad, and of campaigns of Da'wa throughout the Bilad al-kufr. It pays for mosques and madrasas, it pays for an army of Western hirelings. It finances, that is, those who believe it their duty to engage in Jihad, to overthrow Infidel legal, political, and social institutions, and to work toward the ultimate dominance of Islam everywhere in the world, and rule by Muslims everywhere.

If the Attorney General of Colorado does not understand this, and does not understand why not the slightest effort should be made to explain, to appease, to mollify, to do anything to show a sentiment other than one of disgust and horror at the behavior of this Saudi -- who spoke truly when he described his conduct as standard (Saudi) Muslim behavior -- and certainly not an hour of knee-touching intimacy.

Let this be held against Struthers in his future career. Let him be punished if he runs for political office. Let it be a lesson to him and to all others who think that when it comes to Saudi Arabia, a special effort needs to be made not to anger the Saudis.

Untrue. Completely false. Every effort should be made to disabuse these people of their false sense of power. They can do nothing to us, for the ony thing they have, oll, they must sell on the world market. They cannot explore or produce more oil without outside help. They cannot create, have not created, a modern economy but rely on an army of wage-slave guest workers, whom they mistreat, at every level. They are terrified of being cut off from access to Western education, Western medical care, Westerm arms, Western training, Western experts of every kind, Western everything. Otherwise, all their country is is a large and distinctly unpleasant, and certainly most unimpressive, gas station.

Posted by: Hugh at November 19, 2006 10:21 PM

Posted by: PRCS

What ultimately happened to the Indonesian maid? Was the flogging carried out? Did she return home?
Etc.

JEDDAH, 26 April 2006 — The judge who had previously sentenced an Indonesian maid to 79 lashes for falsely accusing her sponsor and his wife of torturing her has reversed his sentence.

Arab News has learned that the judge who in December sentenced Nour Miyati, the maid brought to a Riyadh hospital back in March 2005 in a critical condition, has revoked that sentence but upheld the sentence of 35 lashes against the sponsor’s wife for beating Miyati.

Miyati’s lawyer, Nasser Al-Dandani, appointed by the Indonesian Embassy, confirmed this reversal. “This proves the integrity of the Saudi judicial system,” said Al-Dandani.

After the previous sentencing, he filed an appeal with the court of cassation, which approved the appeal and returned the case to the judge.

Miyati was brought to a hospital by her sponsor in March 2005, suffering from gangrene to her fingers, toes and a part of her right foot in addition to other signs of physical abuse. Doctors had to amputate some of her fingers and toes. At first Miyati claimed her sponsor tied her up for a month in a bathroom and beat her severely injuring her eyes and knocking out some of her teeth.

Investigators who later questioned her without the presence of an Indonesian Embassy representative, a lawyer, or a member of the National Society for Human Rights, said she changed her testimony about the torture. She was then charged with making false accusations and was put in jail for a few days after she had recovered a little from her wounds and amputations.

Her lawyer managed to release her under his personal guarantee and place her in his house where she remains until her case is over. Meanwhile, the sponsor was found innocent due to lack of evidence against him but his wife who had admitted to beating Miyati was sentenced to 35 lashes.

“This takes care of the public right. The private right of Miyati against her sponsor is still under processing,” said Al-Dandani.

He expects the sentencing, which would be in the form of monetary compensation, to be issued in two months and Miyati allowed to return to her country. In addition to the lashings, the wife might receive a jail sentence for beating Miyati.

Posted by: shiva at November 19, 2006 10:33 PM

here's a little puzzle.

A Saudi who beats up the maid, is sentenced to 35 lashes.

An Indonesian, who gets beaten up, is sentenced to 79 lashes.

Posted by: shiva at November 19, 2006 10:42 PM

Maimonides has it right; stop using oil. Find a way, get a high mileage vehicle, ride a bike, turn down your thermostat.

Posted by: Papa Bear at November 19, 2006 10:52 PM

Explain to me again why the Bush administration has the desire to bring 10,000 Saudi muslim students (one assumes male only) to the US?!? The "basic muslim behavior" is unbelievable and it is unbelievable that they could not see how barbaric it is. Their values are antithetical to ours in the West.

Posted by: eve_anne_gelical at November 20, 2006 1:03 AM

Shiva,

Thanks.

Fortunately, hopefully it remains 35-0.

Posted by: PRCS at November 20, 2006 2:27 AM

I hope that AG Suthers will demonstrate that his contrition is complete for his offense --indeed for the offense of all the uppity dhimmis in Colorado. He can show his truly sincere contrition only by using his tongue and lips to clean a few royal latrines in Riyadh. Otherwise, he should have stayed home.

What is equally dangerous by the way is that the so-called Left, once upon a time defenders of the oppressed working class, cannot bring themselves to defend workers held in slave-like conditions by Arabs/Muslims in Saudi Arabia, the Gulf emirates, etc. Until the Left starts to defend the foreign workers in Kuwait, et al., then we have to consider the Left a fake, a phoney, an imposture.

Posted by: Eliyahu at November 20, 2006 6:42 AM

And in Canada, a wife killer tries to use "basic muslim behaviour" to get away with murder ! We have had several incidents lately, reported as "domestic abuse" that appear to be honour killings.

Edmonton Sun
Mon, November 20, 2006

Religion as a shield
By Mindelle Jacobs

Two countries, two brushes with religious extremism.

In Pakistan, women are punished for being raped. In Canada, a man tries to use Islam to escape conviction for murdering his wife.

Rape victims in Pakistan are routinely prosecuted for adultery unless they can present four male witnesses to the crime. As you can imagine, there aren't a lot of sexual assault convictions in Pakistan.

Under changes approved by Pakistan's parliament last week, however, judges will have the discretion to try rapists in criminal rather than Islamic court.

Women lucky enough to have their rape cases heard in criminal court won't have to provide the requisite but impossible male witnesses.

But it was only a baby-step forward for Muslim women because the Pakistani government refused to outright repeal the requirement for four witnesses.

Canada's justice system is based on secular law, thank goodness. But that didn't stop a man who killed his wife in Ottawa from trying to get a reduced sentence based on Islamic religious and cultural beliefs.

Adi Abdel Humaid stabbed his wife, Aysar Abbas, 23 times in the neck and once in the heart on a lonely stretch of road on Oct. 14, 1999, because he thought she was sleeping with her business associate.

By chance, a passing driver who saw him chasing Abbas down the road called 911 and the cops arrested Humaid before he could flee to Dubai, where the couple had been living.

After he killed his wife, by the way, Humaid dropped in to visit some friends, casually eating sweets and drinking coffee as if nothing out of the ordinary had happened.

In his mind, I suppose, his wife's death was not something to fret over.

After all, in Muslim culture, the honour of the entire family depends on the behaviour of women.

So during the trial, Humaid's lawyer argued the provocation defence - that his client killed his wife "in the heat of passion" because his wife hinted she was having an affair.

A murder conviction can be reduced to manslaughter under such circumstances, resulting in substantially lighter punishment.

The jury disagreed, convicting Humaid of first-degree murder - a life sentence with no parole for 25 years.

Humaid lost when he went to the Ontario Court of Appeal and he lost again last week when the Supreme Court of Canada refused to hear his appeal.

Amen to that.

His lawyers argued than the cultural and religious background of an accused should be considered as part of the provocation defence.

The trial judge had ruled that such factors were irrelevant to the case, rightfully declaring that everyone should be held to the same standard in court.

Imagine the havoc it would cause in our courts if cultural and religious traits were allowed to mitigate or excuse violent crimes.

During the trial, the defence called an expert in Islamic religion and culture who testified that infidelity committed by a woman is considered worthy of harsh punishment by male members of the family.

"(Islam) does not tolerate the infidelity of the woman," he explained. "There's no equality here."

But, as the Ontario Court of Appeal pointed out, the provocation defence is not meant to shield someone who kills out of a culturally driven sense of retribution sparked by a perceived insult.

Such thinking has nothing to do with Canadian values, the court added.

Humaid has 21 more years in jail to ponder that.

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at November 20, 2006 8:43 AM

This is one of those red lines that cannot be crossed. If we Americans don't start standing up and preventing those red lines from being violated then we deserve to be slaves. Slavery is one of those issues. A little over 600,000 men were planted in the ground over the issue. So this is what is at stake:

(1) Womens rights
(2) Slavery
(3) Freedom of Speech
(4) Freedom of Religion
(5) Seperation of Religion and State

Man you can get more fundamental then that. Give up on any those then it is really all over.

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at November 20, 2006 9:01 AM

"Tom Tancredo..."
-- from a posting above

Very intelligent, bemused and amusing, able to see things whole, thoroughly different from those so-called conservatives who, like Bush, so often turn out to be a blend of polypragmonic messianic meddling, sentimentalism, Marxism (for all those who belive that certain kinds of enmity will dissolve if only "poverty" is relieved, that is who locate everything in economics, are Marxists of a kind), as well as being mere defenders of privilege, Tom Tancredo is, rather, someone who feels painfully the loss of cultural continuity and the sense of a nation. Tom Tancredo is, and at this point must be, our hope.

Posted by: Hugh at November 20, 2006 10:10 AM

Al-Turki:

"The state has criminalized these basic Muslim behaviors," he told the judge. "Attacking traditional Muslim behaviors was the focal point of the prosecution."

Let's pretend those Christians recently arrested for worshipping in a SA home used the following language if they even managed to get a day in court:

"The state has criminalized these basic Christian behaviors," he told the judge. "Attacking traditional Christian behaviors was the focal point of the prosecution."

Did anyone from SA go to the countries of the Christians and explain why these Christians had been arrested, beaten, and sent back to their countries?

This double standard sickens me. I am really beginning to hate The Gulf State elites and our own countrymen that cowtow to them. It's the closest thing to treason that I can think of.

Posted by: never_submit at November 20, 2006 11:05 AM

The frail-looking 23-year-old Sitri Binti Tandar Iskandar is admitted to the Hamad General Hospital (HGH) with severe wounds and scars all over her body.

This makes me so angry, cuz didn't Mohammed treat his sex slaves well? Yes, Allah granted him the right to beat them, but as I understand it he accorded his sex slaves great respect.

* 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 *

Pictures show the severe wounds on the body of Sitri Binti Tandar Iskandar inflicted on her by her ruthless Saudi employer’s family.

One thing Mohammed did not do was let his family swarm all over his sex slaves, beating and raping them.

This Moslem family from Taif, Arabia musta been listening to Sly & The Family Stone in the background as they worked poor Sitri Binti Tandar Iskandar over.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at November 20, 2006 11:23 AM

Tough chance. One of the reasons Oprah is so hugely popular is that she never, ever tackles difficult political, cultural and moral issues.

Wrong, ovidius_naso, a couple of years ago she did a special profiling the horrible plight of the "Palestinian" refugees. Oprah presented a picture where the evil Jews had swooped in and stole Palestinian land, houses, and businesses without so much as a shekel in compensation.

Oprah was so upset at the Jews, that she teared up. When I saw the alligator tears streaking this woman's 1/8 inch thick cake makeup, I got a little misty myself (from my paroxyms of cynical laughter).

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at November 20, 2006 11:31 AM

Unbelievably outrageous and at the same time pathetic.

Posted by: US_infidel at November 20, 2006 11:41 AM

This is just my humble opinion. We should send All moslems to islamic coutries, regardless of citizenship and then nuke the countries. We are wasting the time of our troops right now.Send em back after afore mentioned nuking to secure the region.We keep the land and oil, easy.We have been far too compassionate with creatures that are compassionless.We try to reason with barbarians.This has failed. Its time to "re-awaken the sleeping giant." This nonsense won't stop until every last one of them is exterminated.

Posted by: practical witch at November 20, 2006 12:54 PM

I, for one, welcome our new Saudi overlords! How pathetic, that we have come to this. A vassal sending an officer of the court to our foreign master to explain.

Posted by: MP at November 20, 2006 3:42 PM

What really blows me away about this, aside from the fact that a state official is sent at federal expense to explain Colorado jurisprudence to a foreign monarch is the fact that there is not one comment in the Denver Post about this travesty. Surely, there is at least one informed person in the state that has something to say about their officials and/or the federal government giving personal assurance to the king that one of his subjects is indeed a criminal.

Denver Post Permalink comments URL: http://carlosillescasltbrgtdenverpoststaffwriter.neighbors.denverpost.com/default.asp?item=291300

Hugh, or one of the other more eloquent commenters here care to take a stab at raising Colorado's consciousness level?

Posted by: Shakey_Premise at November 20, 2006 6:47 PM

It's all fuzzy in my mind now. What was it so wrong with a nation ruled by the ten commandments?

Posted by: ljm at November 20, 2006 8:03 PM