More kowtowing demanded by the Saudis. This regime is becoming increasingly arrogant-must be the outrageous profits they've made on their oil the last two years. Given their neverending quest to spread the Wahabbi cancer all over the world this regime may be an even worse threat to the West than even Iran.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 19, 2006 4:41 PM

Once we were totally naive as to the meaning of the term "jizyah." Knowledge of the time and the scope of payments is breathtaking. No wonder the Salafists have so much money to spend on a lavish lifestyle, the funding of violent jihad, and Da'wa, as well as the purchase of property and the building of mosques and Muslim schools all over the world.

We ignorant and naive Westerners have been paying for the whole thing. It must stop!!!

Posted by: Eleanor at November 19, 2006 5:38 PM

I hope that they break off diplomatic and economic ties. They Britain would have no excuse not to get rid of all their muslims.

Posted by: Voltaire at November 19, 2006 5:51 PM

Cars, houses, vacations, hookers...someone please speak up if you believe these things are NOT part of every $100+ million defense contract.

It's useful anytime a wrench lands in the finely- tuned dhimmification machine, but aside from that, really, are we that shocked?

Anyway...glad to see some of the backroom sh**t with the Saudis make it into the news and embarrass a few people. Will it be in the NY Times and WaPo and CNN tomorrow or Tuesday...LOL

Robert, please keep up the great work. 10 years from now it will be seen that you were one of the most important people in the world, by bearing witness in a way few others had the guts or the comprehension to do. I read your blog cover to cover every day. I do believe we are headed for a real showdown, When it comes, people will ask, "Why didn't anyone see what was happening?" and you will be one of a small handful who did, and these same people will ask "but why didn't anyone SAY anything?" and, again, you will be one of the few who did.

- Mega

Posted by: Mega at November 19, 2006 6:27 PM

"Both deny any wrongdoing"

Well, what's the problem with investigation then?

Posted by: Lili at November 19, 2006 6:38 PM

Now let me guess what Blair will do??

I say he becomes #1 Dhimmi leader in the West if he isn't already!
He's going to fawn all over those saudis, and they know it. Someone please wake me if I am wrong.

Posted by: Gramfan at November 19, 2006 7:01 PM

Every year for several months the Gold Coast (Surfers Paradise) in Queensland is overrun by Mohammedans from Saudi Arabia and the Gulf-states.

You can see large numbers of them (husbands with several wife's and and any number of children) all hijabbed/niqabbed/burkha-ed etc. waltzing through Surfers as if they owned the place, and they run you off the foot-path.

It hasn't happened to me personally but friends of mine got really upset when it happened to them. My daughter lives there and jobs occasionally at DFS-Galleria where they had to undergo 'sensitivity training' and 'cultural awareness-training'-
No wonder because DFS is now a French outfit.

If any other Aussies out there had similar experiences please write to Andrew Bolt at Herald Sun, he is quite onto it and doesn't shy away from addressing the issues, as long as it can not be misconstrued as 'racism' or the usual nonsense.

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at November 19, 2006 7:06 PM

As Lili said, "what's the problem with the investigation?" I spent 30 years doing federal investigations, both criminal and civil, and I was just "doing my job".
Whenever someone complained, as these guys are doing, it would cause me to probe deeper, and INVARIABLY, I found damaging evidence.
As a general rule, never challenge an agent, as the one question he is always asking is "Why?" No complaints, less whys.
As a practical matter, I found the innocent ones never complained, and the guilty ALWAYS complained.

Posted by: Codekeyguy at November 19, 2006 7:49 PM

Add to my wishlist . . .

a website which outlines/calculates jizya on a daily basis -perhaps resembling the jihad tally at TheReligionofPeace.com. Headline the home page with a jizya du jour.

Run a continuously updated grand total which resembles the national debt counter (http://www.uwsa.com/uwsa-usdebt.html)identifying National Jizya Share for each taxpaying breadwinner.

Trigger a bulletin each time a jizya collecting nation/entity (including UN) is identified as a direct or indirect source/sponsor of jihad.

Posted by: justamomof4 at November 19, 2006 8:18 PM

Is there are more corrupt bunch than the Saudi royal family? Hell, these supreme losers make Iran's criminal leaders look like paragons of virtue by comparison. Let the lid come off this scandal so we can see all those maggots of corruption in the bright light of truth. I'm sure it'll be quite ugly when all the details come out.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 19, 2006 8:46 PM

Yes, I too conclude that there is a showdown coming. When the royal house of saud threatens that the bribes must stay in place to have their business.

I wonder who they would go to. The US? The Fwench? If this is how the Saudis have operated perhaps we will be on the lookout for the fall-out from this deal.

What blows me away is the arrogance that they show when they are caught with their hand in the cooking jar. They deserve the cookie jar? I can just see this happening here. The investigations would go on forever.

And so it goes.

Posted by: credit man at November 19, 2006 8:47 PM

"If any other Aussies out there had similar experiences please write to Andrew Bolt at Herald Sun, he is quite onto it and doesn't shy away from addressing the issues, as long as it can not be misconstrued as 'racism' or the usual nonsense.

Posted by: sheik yer'mami "

Sheik,
I was in Surfers paradise a few years ago and boy did I get a shock!! Halal shops and burkas everywhere!
And to think in the 60's and 70's it was jokingly called "Surfers Palestine" because many Jewish people from the southern states had apartments up there. My how things change!!

Re Andrew Bolt's 'blog:
I never miss a day of it!! Just getting tired of the inane postings of the 4 muslim trolls that love to push everyone's buttons there. We need lots of help!!

Posted by: Gramfan at November 19, 2006 9:05 PM

Baker Botts is defending Saudi Arabia in a 9-11 law suit. Hamilton Kean said they couldn't find any links from the 9-11 hijackers to Saudi Arabia.

Congress found them in 2003, but Bush didn't let them publish them. Congress was so angry they published the 27 pages on their web page, blank. Perhaps that was what Hamilton Kean read, the blank pages.

The LA Times found a source on what was in those 27 pages.

Truthout LA Times summary secret report

The official blank 27 pages

Links on Pakistan and Saudi Arabia and 9-11

Links and info on Baker Botts interests in Middle East

Posted by: Old Atlantic at November 19, 2006 9:09 PM

The British government should not only not do anything to curry favor with, or succumb to the threats and blandishments of the Al-Saud, but other Western governments should make clear that they are perfectly willing, indeed in some cases eager, to cut diplomatic relations with Saudi Arabia. This should have happened some months ago, when Saudi Arabia helped organize a boycott of Danish goods and a partial ban on diplomatic relations between various Arab states and Denmark.

Now is the time to demonstrate that the last 30 years of nonsensical because baseless belief that Saudi Arabia possesses an oil weapon -- it does not and never did -- has lost any hold on Western governments. Saudi Arabia did and does possesss a wealth weapon, a different thing. This "wealth weapon" is used to obtain the loyal services of many ex-diplomats, journalists, academics, through the receipt of Saudi and other Arab money directly or indirectly.

Treat them roughly, those primitives performing their celebratory daggers-and-dishdashas dances, with those moustaches, and sneers of cold command. Make them see that the game is over, that a new understanding has come to the Western world. Shake them -- roughly. And keep shaking.

Posted by: Hugh at November 19, 2006 10:29 PM

Well at least the chickens have come home to roost. For some decades now it has been clear that the Saudis with their madrassas are the the most dangerous of subversives. Yet these congenital terrorists got a free pass whenever it was poor third countries like my own country India that were targetted. As to realists like Weinberger or Margeret Thatcher , they never ever gave a damn. It is ironic but both the Russians and the Indians knew what the bullshit of 'freedom' meant when it came to the Afghans. It meant supression of women, absence of education and the incubation of jihadism .

Posted by: ivan at November 19, 2006 10:38 PM

Bush Appeases North Korea, Kisses Putin and Dresses Funny!

http://cyberray-rays.blogspot.com/2006/11/us-signals-new-north-korea-incentives.html#links

Posted by: Cyberray at November 19, 2006 10:44 PM

This sounds good to me. I am glad to see it out in the open. If the Brits can hang tough, the Saudis will have to back off and lose face or go find another business partner which would be very disruptive for them.

Posted by: Papa Bear at November 19, 2006 10:47 PM

Forlorn Hopes,chaps.This is the same fella who now wants to'talk' to Iran & Syria-promises something like 200 million in Aid to Pakistan-in fact this guy hasn't got a shred of credibility or honour left.Blair like the rest of our Politicians is up to his arse in dodgy deals with
Saudis-not to mention 'cash for honours' in Britain.Also Prince 'Charlie' received most magnificent gifts from Saudi Royal Family when he
wedded Lady Di.{that is-gifts we common folk know about...]

Posted by: Morgane at November 19, 2006 11:10 PM

Where's the defiance? Tell our leaders: "No appeasement on our account please." Leaders must confront their fear and defy the Islamists rather than panic and submit. Not one damn major American leader urged all newspapers to print the cartoons. That would have been defiance!

Posted by: MelM at November 20, 2006 2:00 AM

Papa bear: gigantic slush funds on arms deals with the Saudis have been the norm in Britain for the last twenty years or more. The British magazine Private Eye regularly reported on them. The Saudis have bought, not only weapons systems, but whole airports and aircraft bases, from the British, with corruption flowing like oil in every direction. Blair has little to do with it: the infernal mechanism was set up by Thatcher and her ministers, to pour money into their weapons and aircraft factories (it was, in fact, a substitute of the state subventions the Thatcherites were ending, directed at a few favoured areas of industry - and let the rest go hang). Several Tory politicians were widely held to have done very well out of the whole mess, although only one - Jonathan Aitken, the handsome former lover of Margaret Thatcher's daughter - was actually caught out and went to jail for perjury. Blair has fairly little to do with it, and at any rate is a lame duck now. The issue is what would his successor do about it, and considering that some people have gone on record as saying that these deals are "essential" to the British economy, my guess is not much.

Posted by: Paolo at November 20, 2006 2:30 AM

cut the realateins with the barbarians from the kingdom they are living 1400 years back when islam was looting and killing they would not have the oil
wealth they have if had not been westen countrys finding it . theres no way we should be paying bribes to them when when they have billoins

Posted by: islamakapigeaters at November 20, 2006 2:46 AM

"I just saw Blair on CNN. He was asked if he thinks we are in WW3 regarding islam. He said he thinks we are. What gives?"

What!!!! he said that, I just fell off my chair in shock! I can not locate it.

Posted by: Daffersd at November 20, 2006 3:31 AM

Morgane: Forlorn Hopes,chaps.This is the same fella who now wants to'talk' to Iran & Syria-promises something like 200 million in Aid to Pakistan

A quick check revealed We need a Marshall Plan to beat the Taleban, Pakistan tells Blair

In talks with President Musharraf of Pakistan in the regional governor’s mansion in Lahore, Mr Blair offered £480 million to combat the preaching of hatred in Pakistani religious schools and the two leaders agreed further co-operation against Taleban militants in Afghanistan.
---

Combat the preaching of hatred....But but, Islam is a religion of peace and love. Maybe it is for mullahs and talibs who do have a more fundamentalist 'interpretation'. You do not need special knowledge to conclude that this plan is doomed. Giving money to muslim to become un-muslim.

Posted by: infidel11 at November 20, 2006 4:56 AM

I think Blair does sort of get it, but is still in denial over key aspects, certainly he still seems to think that Islam has been hijacked, cue normal sick and sad "Islam is a religion of peace" before blood has dried comment.

When we talk about it at my house we often think that they (Western Governments) have become aware and have worked out a strategy to deal with the issue, but their strategy is to develop the moderate Muslim, as the moderate Muslim is a pipe dream (a moderate Muslim is not in fact a Muslim at all) it is doomed to failure.

They are using classic counter insurgency tactics at a global strategic level. Which means jizya to me and you. When we see them talking sweet and closing Mosques and deporting people and using strong military force when needed then we will know that they have got it. And I mean targeted assassination of extremists pulling the strings of hatred, such as the preacher leading the hate in the religious schools.

I would like to see details of this grant, but truthfully unless we use the carrot with a bloody nasty stick, its a huge waste of resources.

I just hope that we have detailed every Pakistani nuclear site and are ready to blow them once the General is out of power.

Posted by: Daffersd at November 20, 2006 6:27 AM

I hope the sauidis do cut ties.
How much more bull$hit can we take ?
Surely the UK and others should be looking to expand markets and aliances with other naon moslem nations.

This link about India is interesting a huge market for UK & US technology and they are not hostile either.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,25689-2459417.html

Posted by: apostate_islam at November 20, 2006 6:29 AM

Ok,,sad but true. They have us all by the "short and curlies" - namely oil!
HELP!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Gramfan at November 20, 2006 6:29 AM

The problem here is not with Great Britain or the fantastic defence products we design & manufacture - it is with the essence of the free market.

Until all Western arms dealers (France in particular) play by the rules we will all carry on vying for contracts from potentuial enemies.

Can we all get together & impose a boycott? Unlikely unti lthe fight progresses.

The recent sale to Saudi of 72 Typhoon Eurofighters (Mmm, 72, that number has significance but I cannot think why)...proves the case in point - France did everything in its power to sway the Saudis to their inferior OEM ground attack weapons platform - upping the ante from the Typhoon coalition. Deals like this get dirty - always have & always will.

A recent poster tried (as ever) to blame Prime Minister Thatcher for this - errr, wrong, shady defence contracts have been on going here for at least 250 years - & Thatcher is not that old.

Touching upon the Export Credit Guarantee Scheme would have been a better angle to attack her from...but hy I will leave you to Google that yourselves.

Posted by: albion at November 20, 2006 7:00 AM

Looks like Eurabian Central Command has issued an order. Time to make a stand guys but don't hold your breath.

Posted by: Malta_1565 at November 20, 2006 8:46 AM

Let me guess the Eurabian High Command has ordered that all Europeans should convert immediately to Islam as being infidels is fueling anti-Western feeling in the Muslim world and among our own peace loving Muslim population. In this way we will reduce tensions and show that we are not anti-Islam.

Posted by: Daffersd at November 20, 2006 9:15 AM

Mega asks:

"Cars, houses, vacations, hookers...someone please speak up if you believe these things are NOT part of every $100+ million defense contract."

In the case of the Typhoon Eurofighter, while it performs somewhat better than the American F-15E, it's not that much better as to justify its price tag. Especially since the F-15 has been flying for 30 years, you would have expected Europe to have come up with a vastly better performance by now.

Now I'll bet you that if the U.S. offered its new, ultra-advanced F-22 to our allies, we would not need to bribe them with hookers to accept it. For air force generals, the combination of F-22 supercruise plus thrust vectoring in a stealthy airframe is better than sex.

Posted by: Steven L. at November 20, 2006 11:34 AM

Posted by: Daffersd

I think Blair does sort of get it, but is still in denial over key aspects, certainly he still seems to think that Islam has been hijacked, cue normal sick and sad "Islam is a religion of peace" before blood has dried comment...

Blair always had it , so did Bush ...they said
"Islam is a peaceful religion" through gritted
teeth.

Posted by: aladdinsane57 at November 20, 2006 11:39 AM

Blair is an amoral, spineless weasel.

Posted by: US_infidel at November 20, 2006 11:45 AM

The only person who said it noticeably through gritted teeth was John Howard, it was wonderful to listen to, as he said it in such a way that it was evident that he found it distasteful to say.

Do you remember that Iraqi Imam who was murdered by Sadr's thugs just after Saddam had been over-thrown, I think that imam was the one of those tame imams who mislead Western leaders, he was very close to Tony Blair.

Posted by: Daffersd at November 20, 2006 12:14 PM

Why doesn't Blair try and deflect attention from this by putting Nick Griffin on trial again?

Gordon Brown hinted at a change in the law on Griffin's aquittal (he'd said islam was a wicked faith). Wonder what he'd say about this?

Posted by: Celsius at November 20, 2006 12:43 PM

Daffersd said: I think Blair does sort of get it, but is still in denial over key aspects, certainly he still seems to think that Islam has been hijacked, cue normal sick and sad "Islam is a religion of peace" before blood has dried comment...

I call it Blair's Utopia, and ask where he found
this Utopia where Islam is peaceful, harmonious
and forbearing? Thailand? Philippines? Iraq? Iran?
Lebanon? Spain? UK? Sudan? Somalia? France?
Netherlands? Pakistan? Afghanistan? Anyotherstan?
Cronulla? Lakemba? Broadmeadows? George W Bush
speech? Enid Blyton novel?

Posted by: Xaragma at November 20, 2006 6:42 PM

It stops now, if you are confronted with any of the arrogance that these people show to you, get in their face ,look them in the eyes and don't move. See what happens.

Posted by: OLD SARGE at November 20, 2006 7:42 PM

Blair is obviously aware of the issue even though it took some time for him to realize. Even now he finds it difficult to accept and fights against it, he is like so many Christians, he can not think like them, he thinks their faith is like his faith.

The whole strategy of the West at this point is to reach out to the moderate Muslims. Based on reason, but how can you have reason with people who accept that Mohamed was the perfect man and that Sharia law is applicable in this day and age.

The West is clutching at straws in a desperate attempt to find anything that may stop the coming war. But the moderate Muslims have no power, don't they even get this, and if they do they soon get manipulated or threatened out of the way by the extremists.

This strategy of using counter-insurgency tactics at a global level against the extremism of Islam just does not work, we are going to bankrupt ourselves, the Arab Street or normal person in a Muslim country just does not matter, revolution like that in Eastern Europe can not happen and if it does its only against people who accommodate the West, it only brings in the Muslim Brotherhood.

Then there are the leaders who control moderate countries like Morocco, support them staying in power, but they are hedging their bets.

If Blair has got it then his Christian faith is getting in the way of dealing with it, we need someone who is prepared to get nasty to defend us, please...

Posted by: Daffersd at November 21, 2006 3:19 AM

Regarding the Saudis cutting off intelligence cooperation--they can't take away what they've never given.

Posted by: longtime lurker at November 21, 2006 8:02 AM

Winston, where are you?

Can you imagine Churchill's response to the rag-hat demands?

"If the House of Sod (and he'd pronounce it just like that) thinks it can intimidate Her Majesty's Government with this kind of threat, it is mistaken.
We shall investigate and, if corruption is discovered, eliminate it root and branch. No ammount of foreign wealth is worth our honor."

Me, I'd just say: "Go F--k yourselves."

Posted by: USBeast at November 21, 2006 6:14 PM