Parents have to fight so their children's Christmas turkey dinner isn't replaced by a Muslim, halal, chicken meal in honour of the co-prophet Jesus who wasn't crucified and wasn't the "lamb of God which taketh away the sins of the world"?

Will Santa Claus be dressed like an imam and hand out Korans as stocking stuffers?

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Will Santa Claus be dressed like an imam and hand out Korans as stocking stuffers?

Posted by: Josephine

Santa is going to hand out matches so the kids can give Hotfoots to one another while they wait for baseball season to return in Spring. Oh the joys of islam!

Posted by: germaninamerica at November 25, 2006 3:40 PM

Aww sh*t, why not just bring the animals to the classroom, and let a mullah teach the children how to cut the throat of the animals, so they can learn the significance of what "halal" means? Maybe they can follow this up with a dinnershow, perhaps that student who dressed as a jihadist and terrorised the Statue of Liberty is available for gigs.

All's I know is that as an atheist, I somehow survived a few Christmas dinners no worse for the wear. There is no need for non-Muslim students to observe Muslim restrictions in the U.K. Yet.

Posted by: special_guest at November 25, 2006 3:46 PM

Good for the parents, give 'em hell!

Posted by: Carolyn2 at November 25, 2006 3:49 PM

If muslims don't believe in Christmas, why bother with serving food the muslim way?

Leave Christmas alone. If the muslims want to join in, they'll do it our way.

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Posted by: StillFedUp at November 25, 2006 3:59 PM

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Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 25, 2006 4:01 PM

Engage the 'enlightened' and pc people in the west to be tolerant to Islam. This is the 'peaceful' way of conducting jihad.

Keep this up for a number of years, and before you know it sharia is firmly entrenched in the West. Coupled with a large number of muslims in the west, the future of the west under Islam is unavoidable.

I fear for my grandchildren.

Posted by: jasmine at November 25, 2006 4:14 PM

Is the head teacher a muslim by any chance? If muslims don't believe in Christmas, why should the teacher take any interest in the meals offered? AHHHHGHHHH! this is just too much!

Posted by: freetoBEfree at November 25, 2006 4:16 PM

Parents need not worry. Any Muslim who is following Koran and Hadith properly will not send their kids to attend Christmas dinner.

Posted by: pagan at November 25, 2006 5:21 PM

Let them eat cake!

Posted by: callmeinfidel at November 25, 2006 5:32 PM

Suddenly I get this urge to bang my head against the wall just to make sure I'm reading this correctly. Unbelievable.

Posted by: Jan Vink at November 25, 2006 5:36 PM

Mr MacShane should be suspended without pay, while being investigated for terrorist ties.

Posted by: Alert at November 25, 2006 5:44 PM

Our schools in the West, from elementary to University, are run by complete idiots!!!!

Posted by: Levi at November 25, 2006 6:03 PM

Well,

I dunno.

Isn't ham the traditional main Christmas fare?

Wouldn't that be interesting. Ham on the left, halal chicken on the right.

Muslims would be invited, of course.

Showing up, and tolerance, would be up to them.

Posted by: PRCS at November 25, 2006 6:12 PM

Bravo to the parents, give 'em hell and make sure they regret it and remember it!

Academic UK has been hopeless for years now. It's simply that the iceberg is so close that there's no way to avoid noticing, that's why these items are making it into the papers. But remember, it's just the tip of the iceberg we're seeing.

The Nazis (and the Soviets for that matter) lost militarily, but there's no conclusive proof that they lost ideologically. The pride and individualism that characterized Anglo-Saxon, American and indeed Western culture in general has been on the wane since the war, sinking more miserably into collectivism, confusion and shame with every passing year.

The academic world has been on the cutting edge, so to speak, of the decline. These people are worse than empty. They are morally inverted.

They have to be knocked about energetically just to reduce their toxicity by a little bit. And they won't go quietly.

Posted by: joeblough at November 25, 2006 6:35 PM

Lost. Completely lost.

Posted by: jsla at November 25, 2006 6:47 PM

You pinheads can't think straight with all your vindictiveness. The real issue here is what is the difference between halal meat and non-halal.

Halal meat is certified as meat killed by cutting the jugular to ensure complete bleeding of the animal - the animal loses consciousness quickly and relatively painlessly, and removes potentially infected erythrocytes from being consumed.

More importantly - halal beef for instance must NOT be from cows that have eaten anything other than vegetation. If halal meat were required eating for all, Bovine Spongioform Encephalopathy (BSE or Mad Cow Disease) would never have spread especially in the UK where halal meats are marketable.

Now compare this with acceptable "Christian" ways of killing which include clubbing to death, eating dead animals, and electroshock stunning which is expensive to do properly, can cause the animal to be butchered while still conscious etc. (see http://www.grandin.com/humane/elec.stunning.cattle.html) . In the UK the animal is fed the dead remains of other animals to increase the protein content of the feed, thereby passing on surviving pathogens.

In the final analysis, there is nothing prohibiting a Christian eating halal meat, but there is plenty of evidence prohibiting a Muslim from eating non-halal meat, and science supports the Muslim viewpoint on health benefits of going halal. There is no religious prohibition for the Christians in eating halal turkey, despite the uneducated objections of the parents. At the end of the day, racism will not supplant cool common sense and scientific reason.

Posted by: Salahuddin at November 25, 2006 6:49 PM

Salahuddin,
You miss the whole point....creeping sharia. We will resist.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at November 25, 2006 7:01 PM

We don't insist on pork for Ramadan, so why do muslims run the show at Christmas?

Posted by: Carolyn2 at November 25, 2006 7:03 PM

Oh, what if we forced you to eat during Ramadan? How would you feel, Salahuddin?

It is obvious that YOU miss the point.

Posted by: TheVoiceofTruth at November 25, 2006 7:03 PM

This is cultural genocide. Not only should the Turkey not be halal there better damn be some traditional ham too. I am tired of people dictating to the host culture what they should do.

Posted by: pissedoffcanadian at November 25, 2006 7:05 PM

Salahuddin,

In the majority of cases, animals in the developed world (includng the UK) are either killed instantly using bolts OR stunned in some other way before death. Halal (and Kosher, for that matter) rituals insist upon having an animal bleed to death. If these rituals are performed to perfection, the animal will indeed probably lose consciousness quickly, but it certainly does not die instantaneously. Also, in practice, many animals slaughtered according to Halal and Kosher rituals require multiple cuts, not just one, to be killed, and therefore die quite agonizing deaths.

All debates on which method is more or less cruel aside, however, most non-Muslims do not believe that they are forbidden from eating halal meat; I even read a statement issued recently by a Catholic priest who said his church had "no Biblical objection" to Catholics eating halal meat. You wrote, "There is no religious prohibition for the Christians in eating halal turkey, despite the uneducated objections of the parents." Again, I doubt most of the parents are objecting to the halal meat because they are "uneducated" as to matters of religion, whether Christian or Muslim. Rather, it sounds as though they are objecting to non-Muslim children in their school not being given a CHOICE of whether they would like to follow a Muslim dictate. Surely, since you are a Muslim, you would not want your children to have no choice but to eat non-halal meat. The non-Muslim parents of the children in this school feel the same way: that they and their children should be given a CHOICE. Animal welfare has nothing to do with it, nor does any non-existent Christian prohibition on eating halal meat.

Posted by: kaffirchick at November 25, 2006 7:06 PM

Salahuddin

Didn't you forget to mention that the dead animal is blessed by some muslim imam while facing Mecca, in the name of Allah?
(Or some sort of mumbo-jumbo like that?)
No doubt you can tell us more accurately than I can.

Even tho' Mad Cow Disease can be averted by halal, and no doubt kosher rules, personally I don't want to eat meat that has a muslim blessing on it and I am sure many others don't want this either.

I think it is stupid to cater a Christmas function taking on islamic requirements when after all, Christmas is for Christians!

I was also under the impression muslims are not to participate in anything to do with Christmas!

Posted by: Gramfan at November 25, 2006 7:07 PM

This news is a few days old. As soon as it became national news, the headmaster beat a hasty retreat.

The trouble is with the kind of human material they make headmasters now. They are getting younger and younger, for a start; and that is because the teaching profession is such an infernally difficult and dangerous one, that people do not stay if they have even the slightest chance of a job elsewhere. People positively do not want to be headmasters; in some schools, the post goes unfilled for months. The whole educational profession in Britain, thanks largely to decades of PC, is in chronic disarray.

Posted by: Paolo at November 25, 2006 7:09 PM

One of the many occasions when Muslims customarily cry 'allahu akbar' is when slaughtering an animal. Funnily enough they also shout it when slaughtering kaffirs.

Posted by: wallyUK at November 25, 2006 7:20 PM

Wow. Just wow.

CHRISTmas is a CHRISTian holiday. A "Muslim Christmas dinner" makes about as much sense as does a Christian Eid dinner or whatever (not sure what they do for Eid). As others have said, we don't dictate to them what to eat for their holidays so leave ours the @&%# alone.

Move over Jan Vink, my turn to bang my head.

Un-f*****g-believable.

redshirt

Posted by: redshirt at November 25, 2006 7:28 PM

Minneapolis: Stores differ over use of 'Christmas'

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Posted by: ummahnewslinks at November 25, 2006 7:45 PM

In the final analysis, there is nothing prohibiting a Christian eating halal meat...
There is no religious prohibition for the Christians in eating halal turkey...
...racism will not supplant cool common sense and scientific reason.
Posted by: Salahuddin

First off, Islam is not a race unless you happen to be in a place like the Sudan, where black Muslims are freely killed by other Muslims for not being "Arab" enough.

Despite a recent ignorant proclamation from the anonymous "Catholic spokesman" (who should be remanded back to more studies), there are very clear admonitions against Christians eating meat sacrificed to "idols", which would include Allah.

Plus, the way you butcher your meat is sick, especially since the way you do it is intended to deaden your conscience and develop the skills to kill infidels more efficiently (and cruelly).

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at November 25, 2006 7:48 PM

The teachers should have taken this on board especially in this time of tension.”

The time of tension which precedes the takeover.

Posted by: Seymour Paine at November 25, 2006 8:04 PM

The 10th Sikh Guru, Guru Gobind Singh banned sikhs from eating halal meat, since halal meat is obtained by killing an animal in a cruel manner

In fact, animal rights people should be let loose against halal meat

Posted by: Shyamsunder at November 25, 2006 8:15 PM

Seems Sallahudin ran into the hills, like the bigot he is.

Posted by: Al Saheed Al Kuffar at November 25, 2006 8:16 PM

At least some common sense arrived , the Brits seem to be comming out of their fog , its going to get real interesting soon.

Posted by: OLD SARGE at November 25, 2006 8:32 PM

Christian Peoples' Alliance is at:

http://www.cpalliance.net/index.asp

The Campaign Against Political Correctness is at:

http://www.capc.co.uk/

The Campaign for Real Education is at:

http://www.cre.org.uk/

One can find out about Oakwood School at:

http://www.axcis.co.uk/34513.html

(but the information about the school is sparse and hard to find - it doesn't appear, from my cursory search, to have its own website for example).

See also the article in the Yorkshire Post (a respected regional daily newspaper in the UK) at:

http://www.yorkshiretoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=55&ArticleID=1885569

and note, particularly, the Head's comment: "This was an attempt to extend the spirit of inclusion which would allow Muslim children to sit down and enjoy a meal together. It is very frustrating that people find motives which are not present and we will not now be doing this." What a stupid little dhimmi she really is! Christmas is about Christians and their children. Does anyone notice me wearing my caring face about what moslem children do at Christmas? I think not.

Hope the links help.

Dominic.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at November 25, 2006 9:47 PM

Gramfan/

No. So-called mad cow disease (Bovine CJD or Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (BSE)) cannot be averted by halal slaughter. The tissues that contain most of the pathogenic molecules (prions) are those of the brain and the nervous system, although infectious amounts have been shown, but only in the laboratory, experimentally to be present elsewhere, such as in blood. Halal slaughter cannot and does not guarantee disease free meat. Sorry.

Dominic.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at November 25, 2006 9:58 PM

Salahuddin seeks only to confuse and lie to us in the usual way that moslems do. Erythrocytes are irrelevant (and he probably knows that) see:

http://www.ndsu.nodak.edu/instruct/tcolvill/435/erythrocytes.htm

He goes on to say "Now compare this with acceptable "Christian" ways of killing which include clubbing to death, eating dead animals, and electroshock stunning which is expensive to do properly, can cause the animal to be butchered while still conscious. This statement is just one big lie designed to make non-moslems feel guilty.

First off - clubbing to death of any animal is illegal in most countries of the world (excepting some islamic countries) and certainly not used as a method of slaughter in western abbatoirs. Secondly - we all eat (or at least those of us who eat meat) dead animals; what on earth is he driving at here - who knows? Thirdly - electroshock stunning is not expensive; to say so is a downright lie and he must know that - it is the cheapest and most reliable method of rendering an animal unconscious before slaughter, and study after study by the UK's scientific officers have failed to detect a single incident where electroshock stunning, when done properly, has failed to work. Anyway, and as Salahuddin must know, the captive bolt system is most often used in the UK (and in many other countries) by well-trained and monitored operatives. His lies are just so transparent like those of all moslems, aren't they?

Halal slaughter has been looked at by many scientists and is generally reckoned to be the cruellest method of slaughter known to man - invariably it fails sever the vertebral arteries supplying the brain and the animal dies a prolonged and painful death of which it is, on all the evidence, aware. Experimental brain electrode implants confirm this - halal and kosher slaughter is uniquely and terrifyingly cruel.

Salahuddin is nothing more than the usual cruel and unnatural islamic apologist who refuses, despite all the evidence, to tell the truth. Worse, he deliberately attempts to obfuscate the issue and cast we westerners into the realms of uncertainty. His lies are nothing more than the usual attempt to make the disgusting sharia practices which he advocates seem palatable to we enlightened westerners.

Dominic.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at November 25, 2006 10:29 PM

The petition to bring halal slaughter properly under the law in the UK is at:

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/halalmeat/#detail

Can I, please, urge all you Brits who post here to, at the very least, consider signing it. Please!

After all, creeping sharia has to be resisted.

Dominic.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at November 25, 2006 10:49 PM

"Halal slaughter cannot and does not guarantee disease free meat. Sorry.

Dominic."

Dominic,
thanks for all the above info. I knew someone here would know more than I did :)

Posted by: Gramfan at November 25, 2006 11:06 PM

The only orthodox jewish student I knew used to eat the vegetarian meal to preserve his kosher diet.

Muslim students can do the same without needing any special provision for providing "halal" meat.

Besides I remember seeing a documentary on UK television which claimed that most of the "halal" meat sold in the UK is falsely labelled! That is the Paki butchers are cheating their devout customers!

Posted by: Shahryar at November 25, 2006 11:59 PM

Europe doesn't want European workers

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Posted by: ummahnewslinks at November 26, 2006 12:15 AM

Gramfan said

I think it is stupid to cater a Christmas function taking on islamic requirements when after all, Christmas is for Christians!

I agree. If we going to start merging holidays, how about if the Muslims have to follow Christian ethics like 'love your neighbor' and 'turn the other cheek' and 'thou shalt not kill' during Ramadan? How about a Ramadan where the Muslim vs. Muslim death rate does not increase? Then we can talk about Christians eating meat that has been "blessed" by Allah.

Posted by: special_guest at November 26, 2006 12:22 AM

(A first posting from a frequent reader):

HAVE YOURSELF A HALAL LITTLE CHRISTMAS

Have yourself a halal little Christmas,
Think your tolerance right
From now on,
our freedom will be out of sight

Have yourself a halal little Christmas,
Make Yuletide lose its way,
From now on,
our culture will erode away.

Here we aren’t as in olden days,
Happy golden days of yore.
Baleful zealots who threaten us
Gather nearer to us evermore.

Through the years
We all will be together,
If our Fears allow,
Hang a glinting crescent on dhimminished brow.
And get used to having a halal little Christmas now.

(with sincere apologies to Blane and Martin for this sad reinterpretation of their classic song...)

Posted by: Liberty at November 26, 2006 12:36 AM

I am glad to see people finally standing up and saying "Enough is enough! Stop messing with our traditions." Also, isn't the traditional Christmas dinner in U.K. a roast goose?

Posted by: Paladin3000 at November 26, 2006 1:47 AM

This story is now over a week old, and it is an example of how the British public are informing themselves about Islam and taking action as and when necessary.
The headteacher had a daft idea, the parents said no, the MP agreed with them, the idea was abandoned. Paolo is correct. Hi Paolo.
Read the story to the end. The British public did not sucumb to dhimmitude.

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at November 26, 2006 2:45 AM

Granny,

What possesed the headteacher to do this?

I'm sure it wasn't a full moon that drove this.

Posted by: PRCS at November 26, 2006 3:02 AM

Jan Charters, Chair of the Management Board of the Rotherham Excellence in Cities Partnership, said:

"The Excellence in Cities intitiative has had a very positive influence in Rotherham Schools, encouraging collaboration and the sharing of good practice. This has stimulated improved standards of achievement and a wider range of opportunities in our Secondary Schools and linked Primary pupils."

We are proud to be able to celebrate the success that the Excellence in Cities programme has brought to the young people of Rotherham.

the Headteacher is a politico...........

Posted by: Voyager at November 26, 2006 3:18 AM

Loved the clever poem by Liberty! Rock on!!

Many of the Muslim & Jewish dietary laws are similar; and as I learned a little from my Jewish mother's side, their way of eating was quite healthy. And because where they lived in a (then) remote part of The Great Frozen North (Canada), there was no kosher butcher nor any resident rabbi, etc., they ate mostly vegetarian, although they had lots of chicken (isn't the slaughter of chicken more or less the same with every religion?) and, of course, fish (not shell fish, of course, just the other kind).

Anyway, I can't see everyone getting his nose so out of joint about dietary laws & restrictions, but then, I'm not an observant anything. And so what if (before it gets into our kitchen) some holy guy blesses the meat we are about to eat? Hey, just hedging our bets, I'd say! Doesn't alter the taste (bet you couldn't tell if a rabbi or an imam or a priest did his thing before you bought the "tainted" meat!).

Well, as they say, to each his own. I'd be more worried about some jihadist imam slipping a little deadly, tasteless substance into our food before we bought it! Now, THAT'S something to worry about - not the damn prayer!

Posted by: Joy at November 26, 2006 3:37 AM

I would've served them BLT sandwiches.

Posted by: abad at November 26, 2006 3:45 AM

"Many of the Muslim & Jewish dietary laws are similar; and as I learned a little from my Jewish mother's side, their way of eating was quite healthy." posted by Joy.

Dunno about the slaughter of chicken bit - but
I know a little about this also from my extended family which runs from Charismatic Christians to Orthodox Jews!

I am sure the mo's stole this "kosher" idea from the Jews, like they have picked and packed bits of whatever suits them!

Back in biblical times - no refrigeration, and limited food prep - it does make sense.

One was more likely to get tapeworm from pork rather than any other livestock, even last century.(Funny now when you think they had real free-range food and organic food!)

The animal must chew its cud and not have cloven feet, like the devil
.
Also eating scaled fish is recommended over say,,shellfish, shark and calamari.Then of course it was considered bad to eat calf cooked in its mother's milk,,ie dishes like beef stroganoff.

However, that is about where the health part ends.
Nowadays it makes little sense to me.

I still say they, the mo's, are getting away with too much. No Australian Jew would dream of making these demands. They would simply not go, or bring their own food if they were strictly kosher. Of course not all Jews are.

Posted by: Gramfan at November 26, 2006 4:04 AM

Minneapolis: Stores differ over use of 'Christmas'

Ummah News Links

Posted by: ummahnewslinks

Ummah
sorry to take so long. You always put up interesting links and I want to acknowledge this.
Thank you!

Although not a very religious person I feel that if the host country is Christian, it is a nice gesture to mention Hannukah like the guys in the US do.
(There are not that many Jews in OZ so there was never much of this happening.)

Having said that muslim appeasement is MOST definitley going too far all over the West.

I think most faiths, other than the religion of peace quite enjoy the Christmas season: the songs, the presents the food etc and now it is so commercial as we know.

Again, though, if the host country is primarily Christian then it has more rights to express this. As far as I know the Torah says words to the effect," when in Rome,,,".

Seems islam is saying "When in Rome,,,make it Mecca!" And that is the BIG problem!

Posted by: Gramfan at November 26, 2006 4:18 AM

And so what if (before it gets into our kitchen) some holy guy blesses the meat we are about to eat? - from above.

I for one would strenuously object to eating meat that has been slaughtered in the name of a bloodthirsty moongod.

Posted by: Silvester at November 26, 2006 4:25 AM

BNP effect:

"They were backed by Labour MP Denis MacShane who demanded to know why the children were not being offered a choice."

Labour is worried that the labour class is going to switch to BNP becaue Labour has abandoned them. When voters know the truth, politicians learn the truth quickly. This happens with courts as well. Voters in France might try this too.

Posted by: Old Atlantic at November 26, 2006 8:01 AM

The headteacher announced that she intended to replace the children’s traditional turkey meal with halal chicken.

Does this mean we get to feed their kids pork? I hope so, cuz these kids are uptight and need to gobble some of the other white meat.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at November 26, 2006 10:37 AM

I think there's some misreading going on here. Dennis McShane is the good guy in this. He backed the parents who didn't want a halal dinner forced on their kids.

WSW

Posted by: Wild Slutty Womens at November 26, 2006 10:40 AM

The BNP have seen feeding this crap to children as a problem for far longer than the mainstream media

http://www.bnp.org.uk/news_detail.php?newsId=1183

Posted by: TrueBrit at November 26, 2006 11:47 AM

""They were backed by Labour MP Denis MacShane who demanded to know why the children were not being offered a choice."

Labour is worried that the labour class is going to switch to BNP becaue Labour has abandoned them. When voters know the truth, politicians learn the truth quickly"

Actually, MacShane has quite a good anti-dhimmi record for a Labour politician.

Which sets me thinking, maybe someone could start an anti-dhimmi register of public figures (excluding people at the forefront like Robert, Melanie Phillips, Mark Steyn and so on) and publish it here?

Posted by: JFGR at November 26, 2006 1:12 PM

UK: Fury over Halal Christmas dinner

What a disgusting idea. Plumbing the depths of slavish multiculturalism and doltish dhimmitude.

Posted by: dennisw at November 26, 2006 2:52 PM

Gram fam, in reference tapeworm as a reason for forbidding pork.. that doesn't wash because the ancients did not know that pig was a source of the parasite.

However the swine was sacred to Beth Ninip, known to the inhabitants of Uras Salem (and to us as Jersuslam) as Uras the god of war, whose name there was Salem.

Being sacred to it's devotees it was forbidden, except when eaten ritually as it was on occassion (Isaiah 66-17).

The muslims adopted Talmudic or Rabbinical Judaism, or incorporated parts of it, as they incorporated Arian Christianity, in their attempt to ccopt the two faiths (negating them and thus asserting their own supremacy).

The word Haram does not mean forbidden, it means sacred, as in the Haram al Sharif (known also as Al Quds and the Temple Mount, named Mt Sakhra, who was the mother of the Sun God. and Haram al Makka (Mecca), sacred Mecca, that which is sacred is forbidden to the profane, and the swine is (was) originally sacred to the Jews (and thus forbidden) and the Muslims adopted the practise and subsequently lost the meaning.. though the meaning Haram (or sacred) remains.. dirty or filthy is not haram it is "naj".

Posted by: Nariz at November 26, 2006 4:15 PM

None of this has anything to do with ways of slaughtering animals, or with recipes, for mercy's sake!!!

I is about subjecting the customs of Christians in traditionally and predominantly Christian England to sharia. Period!!!

A lot, a little, whatever, that's the issue. Must Christian celebrations of Christian holidays in England be governed by sharia. That's it!

Oh, and who gets to say, and why. That's the other bit.

Ever wonder why a similar fuss was never made over the kosher laws of Britain's Jewish minority? Hmmm?

Because there aren't hundreds of millions of angry Jews threatening England, that's why!

Think that maybe a few people were scared by 9/11 or the London bombing? Hmmm? They do call it terrorism for a reason you know ... because it terrifies people!

The academics will go along with it because they are moral inverts, hopeless, discipline them but don't hold out any hope for them. They're done.

But they've gotten away with it for so long because they get a pass from two parts of the public,

1 - The secret malcontents. People who in the dark hidden recesses of their hearts find the islamists appealing and admirable.

2 - (The main reason) The cowards.

Buck up cousins, buck up. Pull up your socks and dust yourselves off. Your tiny little island once ruled the world, and the world is a better place for it.

There's no need for Britain to be dragged in the dust by a few foreigners and a band of schoolroom lunch cooks.

Posted by: joeblough at November 26, 2006 4:42 PM

duh_swami meditates...contacts Allah in the astral...Allah says..."Tell the people swami, that if 'you are what you eat, means anything at all, those who eat dead animals are in a lot of trouble".

Allah says "if you want to avoid 'all' the ailments associated with flesh consumption, dont eat any at all.

Allah concludes that "all flesh consumption is halal even if it's haram".

Allah knows best...thanks Allah...

Posted by: duh_swami at November 26, 2006 4:46 PM

Note to Muslims:

If you are invited to an 'infidel' holiday party, here's the protocol: Shut the hell up and eat what you're allowed to eat and don't eat what your not allowed to eat. Did you get the part about shut the hell up? That's an important part. Smile and comment upon the lovely floral arrangements or something equally controversial. Then go home and eat tortured to death halal meat or whatever else you like to eat. And shut up.

If I ever (yeah, right!!) get invited to an Eid celebration .. I promise to gratefully decline slicing my head open w/a sword and when they pass the pickled eyeballs around, I'll find that moment a convenient one to take myself for a little stroll. If there are indeed any floral arrangements, I'll admire them. Then I'll go home and eat something I like (while fighting the urge to report the Eid revelers to the police).

Posted by: Daisytoo at November 26, 2006 5:11 PM

Plus, the way you butcher your meat is sick, especially since the way you do it is intended to deaden your conscience and develop the skills to kill infidels more efficiently (and cruelly).

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at November 25, 2006 07:48 PM

Good point! Ever wonder how muslims grow up to be cold-blooded killers? This is how.....

Posted by: Alert at November 26, 2006 5:51 PM

"Gram fam, in reference tapeworm as a reason for forbidding pork.. that doesn't wash because the ancients did not know that pig was a source of the parasite." posted by Nariz

Nariz: this is what I said:
>>One was more likely to get tapeworm from pork rather than any other livestock, even last century.

What I meant was that last century, i.e. 1900's, there was a connection to pork and tapeworm.
I know many older non Jewish people who wouldn't eat pork for this reason alone.

Of course the ancients couldn't have known this,duh!

Posted by: Gramfan at November 26, 2006 7:05 PM

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Posted by: david at November 26, 2006 7:08 PM

Finally, on the tapeworm front, this worm, Taenia solium, can infect men and women if they eat insufficiently cooked pork containing the larval stage of the worm, or by eating food or water contaminated with infective, human faeces (as when farm workers choose to relieve themselves in the field), or if they eat pork in nations where human waste is used as fertiliser.

This parasite causes severe problems in man, including brain seizures, muscle pain and weakness, heart failure and sometimes, sudden death. The parasite is found in about 5% of the pigs tested in Mexico and 1% of pigs tested in the USA, France, Germany, Denmark and the UK - but in ninety-seven percent of all swine, wild and domesticated, tested in islamic countries. Islamic countries also, co-incidentally, have the poorest record of human faecal control of all the countries on earth! Co-incidence?

Successful control is achieved by inspecting pork carcasses (as in the west), properly cooking pork (as in the west), and properly disposing of human faeces (as in the west). Eating, for example, water absorbing vegetables such as cucumbers, tomatoes and marrows, from countries with a poor record of human faecal control and education, is much more of a risk than eating pork from western countries. It is the filth, and the lack of filth control, in islamic countries which renders pork (and vegetables) in those countries, and exported from those countries, dangerous to man.

The pig is also unjustly maligned. In islamic countries all meat is suspect due to poor faecal control and filthy farming practices. The rise in zoonotic infections in the west is directly traceable to the rise in food imports from islamic countries - there is a one to one correlation. 'Nuff said. Avoid imported food from islamic countries!

Dominic.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at November 26, 2006 11:05 PM

Apart from the obvious comments on this story I have yet to see anyone point out that Sikh's are mandated never to eat halaal food due to the torture aspects involved in the processing such food.

So in this case the teacher is (probably unwittingly) targeting one group to try and placate another, i.e. any Sikhs at the school would be, by the dictates of their religion, not be allowed to eat the Christmas meal.

Of course since neither Sikh's nor Muslims celebrate Christmas the whole issue is a moot point anyway.

Posted by: JamesThailand at November 27, 2006 10:32 PM