If there is no EU, there's nothing for Turkey to join.

Posted by: 3812Michelle at November 29, 2006 7:09 PM

...waiting for the first threat of violence ...

Posted by: ujaklija at November 29, 2006 7:24 PM

Shove that up your pipe and smoke it, Muhammad Ali Jazeera Jafarri. Muahahaha.

I was extremely afraid they would make a grave error with this. But I was wrong. What a relief. We still have a chance. We just need some rascist parties to get into power, hahaha.

Posted by: TheVoiceofTruth at November 29, 2006 7:29 PM

Could it be that after seeing the anti-Pope rallies, the EU is starting to get cold feet?

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at November 29, 2006 7:32 PM

Not only is Turkey intransigent concerning Cyprus, but also non-Muslim property rights and an admission concerning their role in the Armenian genocide.

Ummah News Links

Posted by: ummahnewslinks at November 29, 2006 7:44 PM

This is great news.

Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 29, 2006 8:21 PM

There is no chance Turkey will be admitted to the E.U.

It should put the blame right where it belongs. That blame belongs to Islam, and to the way Muslims have historically treated non-Muslims. But since the Cult of Muhammad was replaced by the Cult of Ataturk, and Islam at least provided with a rival in the Cult of the Turk and the Turkish Nation, now is perhaps the time for secular Turks to use the denial of Turkey's admission as a way of encouraging more secula4rism rather than a retreat into the psychic consolation prize of more Islam. Erdogan and his primitive followers should not be allowed to use what they will paint as "Christian hostilty" to further the cause of Islam. Rather, the intelligent Turkish secularists, who make up about one-quarter of the population, should realize they took Kemalism for granted for too long, and did not do enough to defend and expand upon what Ataturk accomplished, nor did they ever make clear what was wrong with Islam -- using for that pedagogic task the examples of all of the Arab states and Iran. That would have been enough. That would have been more than enough.

Who to blame for Europe's Nay-saying neinsagen gigantic and obvious NO? The horrible Iranians. The even more horrible Arabs. It is they, and "their Islam," that gave nice "moderate" and "forward-looking" Turkish Muslims such a bad reputation, and now just look at what they've gone and done, those Arabs and Iranians -- they've turned the West against us.

Keep up that theme. Spread it around. If you are a secularist in Turkey, you want that certain rejection used for your benefit, and not for the benefit of Erdogan and Erbakan and all the rest. You want to weaken Islam, and to turn the Turks away from the Iranians and, above all, the Arabs. Even if Turkey cannot become a member of the E.U., you want it to become more like a European, i.e., non-Muslim state, and less like one more Muslim one.

Don't you?

Posted by: Hugh at November 29, 2006 8:25 PM

..maybe has something to do with the french predicament in the 750 "no-go zone banlieus..?
..and nightly 80 car burnings..etcetera ad nauseum.

Posted by: Madduck at November 29, 2006 8:31 PM

Is this what they mean by "talking turkey"?

Posted by: MP at November 29, 2006 8:33 PM

Coming soon to a mosque near you-EU Rage.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 29, 2006 9:35 PM

choke on it you godless Islamonazi scum. European Union is for freedom loving true democracies only.

Turkey is responsible for the Armenian Genocide (ie the CHRISTIAN genocide by MUSLIMS). The EU also told them on previous occasions that they have to admit to it and start making some restitution (like Germany has been making to individual Jewish families and to the state of Israel) they can kiss EU acceptance goodbye. And the third issue is Cyprus (not the ports) but also the illegal northern occupation "govt" not recognized by any democracy including the US or even by other countries like Russia.

Armenian Genocide = Killing and forcible movement and looting of masses of nonmuslims by Muslims in accordance to the laws of booty in war.

ISLAM = NASIZM

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 29, 2006 10:10 PM

correction: (not JUST the ports).

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 29, 2006 10:11 PM

aww man I need coffee.
correction #2: ISLAM = NAZISM

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 29, 2006 10:12 PM

given how Turkey is acted recently towards the head of the Catholic church and how a heavily Catholic some countries in the European Union are and how at Christians are treated in Turkey is not surprising that the European Union is having second thoughts. Maybe if Turkey returned Christendom greatest cathedral and truly gave other faiths all rights in Turkey they might have a better chance but we have to remember that letting Turkey could well be a disaster because Turkey is a Muslim country would they stand against Iran if Iran was to threaten European the union and NATO.

Posted by: islamakapigeaters at November 29, 2006 10:24 PM

It comes down to this: The EU has little to gain and an awful lot to lose if Turkey is admitted.

If Europe has immigration problems now, just think what life would be like in Europe if Turks (70 million) are legally allowed to immigrate to whatever European country they would like to move to.

Dar al Islam.

Mosques and Minarets would fill the skylines of Europe.

A depressing thought.

Posted by: Johnathan at November 30, 2006 2:00 AM

Just 25 years ago the Turkish army overran Northern Cyprus, killed and raped some six- to eight-thousand Greek Cypriots and drove them from their homes. This is all but forgotten. The Greeks complain of frequent border-violations by Turkish fighter-jets who intrude into Greek airspace. The Greeks should be warned, they have suffered much and long under the Muhammedan onslaught, but a general timidity, if not cowardice keeps them paralyzed like a rabbit in front of a snake...

Europe must find some resolve to deal with the Muhammedan conquest, sooner or later. The question is only how bad do things have to get before we take action?

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at November 30, 2006 4:50 AM

There is a god after all!

Posted by: Voltaire at November 30, 2006 5:30 AM

There is a god after all!

Posted by: Voltaire at November 30, 2006 5:30 AM

I think it's interesting that the media refuses to acknowledge the fact that opposition to Turkey's entry to the EU is highest in those countries that (already) have large Turkish immigrant populations: Austria, Germany and the Netherlands. Conversely, support for Turkey's EU ambitions is highest in those countries who have had the least experience with Turkish immigration - and in U.S. policy circles, of course. I can't imagine that that's simply a coincidence - instead, it reflects the fact that the great mass of Turkish immigrants to Europe have maintained cultural, social and familial norms that run counter to those in the countries they have freely chosen to move to. Worse yet, a wide swathe of the second and third-generation of Turkish immigrants - who are exceptionally badly educated and live at the margins of society - has taken up a "ghetto ethic", often combined with a volatile mix of Islamism, the sense of victimhood and a taste for dhimmitude (by the majority populations).

I am aware that there is a very European-oriented elite in Turkey (quite often "white" Turks descended from enslaved Christians) and that the Turks in Europe are on the whole not the best and brightest that Turkey has to offer. However, even the western-oriented elite in Turkey (5%, 10%, 20% of the general population?) is incredibly nationalistic and chauvanistic. Moreover, they are not the ones who are likey to move to Europe if the immigration floodgates were to open following a Turkish entry into the EU.

The future of Europe (in its EU form) ought to be determined by the people of Europe - and not by a commission of 25 men and women or even the European Parliament, whose democratic credentials are limited. I am confident that the people of Europe have enough common sense to say "no" to the (entirely unconvincing) economic and geo-political arguments being put forward in favour of Turkish entry into the EU.

Posted by: Vienna at November 30, 2006 5:38 AM

Actually its not a "general timidity, if not cowardice keeps them paralyzed like a rabbit in front of a snake"

nice use of metaphor there sheik but metaphor should be apt above all. The Greeks had to be restrained MANY times and were so by high level EU officials telling them basically "you area FULL EU and WEU, and a NATO member you may not attack Turkey another NATO member because we will deal with them." If Greece has a problem its not "timidity, if not downright cowardice" its listening too much to the PC doublespeck of the EU high officials.

As for the the Greek Army, Marines and Special Forces. They are trained directly by former US SPECIAL FORCES (like the Navy Seals and the Marines). Did you know that? Thats very common in the Greek Forces. My cousins commanding officer is a former marine called only "WyldMan" by his troops. Old marines dont die they go to Greece to teach.

The Greek people rose up with ONE voice in 1821 and fought back the Ottomons after 400 years of being under their control and drove them back to get their freedom. In WW I they almost took back large areas of Asia Minor but ran out of "bullets and bread" (a famous report was written on that). And I love the UK but unfortunately they cut off Russian help so that the Ottomans saved their Asia Minor Western side stronghold.

In WW II the Greeks a far smaller force than the Nazis War machine showed themselves to be a very valuable member of the ALLIES and fought back the
Nazis with such ferocity Greece it became the first nation to inflict a military defeat upon Axis forces during World War II.

In response to that military victory, British Prime Minister Winston Churchill remarked: "Today we say that Greeks fight like heroes, from now on we will say that heroes fight like Greeks."

Greeks are not "timid" they are political. They are full members of various bodies that have heavy resposibility in the region and their allies the EU and the USA need them to respond in a that
promotes "strategic co-operation " between EU and USA in that area (very important to access Israel and the middle east from the mediterannean since Turkey showed itself unwilling to allow US plans to fly over Turkish airspace (Greece allowed the US to do so and they fly over Greek airspace) on their way to Iraq at one point.

As for Cyprus, do you know how many times Britain has asked and demanded Greece not go nuts over it and invade the island? Pres Clinton sent a letter via Hilary to tell them to stop all the arieal dogfights they have with Turkish military planes violating eastern Greek airspace (it happens weekly). If you follow the Greek news you would see this is common knowledge.

No its not "timidity" that keeps Greece from getting into a war with Turkey its responsibility to its EU and US allies. There are over 100 military related treaties and contracts between full member states in the EU (and Greece is a full memember). Countries may not act on their own because all EU countries have agreed to send MAJOR forces to help each other in times of war. Increasingly these agreements, of military, of economic, of political range mean that EU is becoming more of a United States of Europe -ie acting as one nation. THATS why Greece is not attacking Turkey. Just like Texas doesnt go "all nuts" and attack militarily Mexico to stop all those illegals over its borders. I know some people do not like the idea of EU as a block. But for better or for worse thats the geo-political reality of that organization. EU is NOT another UN. Its far far more.

To say that "but a general timidity, if not cowardice keeps them paralyzed like a rabbit in front of a snake" sounds little more than a hostility at Greece rather than a cogent anaylsis of the reasons why those Christians down there dont attack those muslims just to the east of them.

QUOTE:
The international situation demands co-operation of all countries and undertaking of initiatives with a common objective, in a spirit of mutual trust and solidarity. All countries – whether big, medium or small – have to march together, in order to commonly shape the policies that will target to the cultural and socio-economic progress and prosperity, under conditions of security, justice, common understanding and solidarity, which concern every single citizen of our countries.

Greece, being a member of the European Union, of NATO, of the Security Council for the current 2-year term and chairing the Cooperation Process in South-eastern Europe, seeks and works at all levels for the realization of our main target, that is to achieve security, stability, development and progress for the broader region. The cornerstone of our policy is the development of bilateral relations of equality and Greece’s active role within the framework of international organizations, with an extensive participation in both planning and implementing their activities.
...
The Balkans must remain a region of strategic co-operation between the EUROPEAN UNION AND THE USA."

from: Ministry of National Defence (Greece)
http://www.mod.mil.gr/Pages/ViewPressObject.asp?HyperLinkID=4&MainLinkID=128&SubLinkID=128&ObjectID=9

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Thus, far from being tied by "timidity" its more a heavy sense of responsibilty that keeps Greece
a modern DEMOCRACY from just helping Greek Cyprus retake over Northern Cyprus or some such action.
Unlike Turkey which is only a facade of democracy but is really run by a military pulling the strigs
behind the parliament (they threatened the secular politicians who wanted the US to fly over Iraq
because they (in a typical paranoid fashion) feared that the US would us that opportunity to fly spy planes over Turkey. This is a stupid fear of course. The US has no intention of spying on a nation it mistakenly thinks is an ally (although that is changing I am told), but thats the typical mindset of fascist style of military mind. Turkey trusts nobody.

And for what its worth if push came to shove and the Greeks DID fight do you honestly think their would be a shortage of young Greek men (Christians actually who see such a fight in a typical byzantine church way -Christians against the insane muslims) --who would not go to Greece and ad their ranks to them?

I would.

As a Canadian I would gladly die for the defence of this fine democracy the dominion of Canada (thats why I joined the Canadian reserves). But when I joined them I made sure that it was okay with the Canadian military for me to fight for Greece if need be so I was free to do so JUST IN CASE. (I also asked the same for the US because I love the yanks (but thats a separate matter)).
timidity? cowardice?
Not even close.
More like: the result of unfortunate beaucratic entaglements of a 1st world nation emerging into the 21st century with full membership obligations and responsibilites that EU and NATO require.

listen lets be honest. How many times do you think the Americans wanted to kick Canada's ass in the last say --ohhh I dont know--20 years? Quite a few right? The US ambasador to Canada even quipped once that it would take and I quote: "all of three minutes" when asked how long (as a joke) it would
take to "kick Canadas ass" . We didn't help out in this Iraqi war like the Aussies and the Poles and the Brits did (and we should have) and there are many other disputes of some VERY important waters in the maritimes where Maine meets Canada that are in constant hot dispute. But the US does NOT attack Canada. Why? Not only because it would be ludicrous but the US is a 1)democracy 2) a mature nation that understands obligations 3) the good guys

Same with Greece. Yes Turkey is not Canada (and how) but nevertheless EU has bound the Greeks hands. For now. If Turkey does attak Greece, not only Greece but the full force of the EU (and the US I bet) would slice up Turkey with the same gusto that an American family slices up the bird of the same name come Thanksgiving Day.

Personally (and Im of Greek background) Id fight the insane Pedophile prophet lovers with a damn baseball club if I had too. So "I hear ya" but until Turkey does something really dumb the Greeks will not do anything to create it. Besides anytime Greece shows even minor aggressiveness against say Albania (muslim, commie AND axis powers in the WWI to boot) the EU whines that a full member has to be "with the group". If I was the prez of Greece I would have not been part of the EU (I would have been allies with them still but not a member) Then I would have formed an extremely close relationship with the US and Israel --Greece is on very good terms with the US but Im talking more here--so much more that the muslims would say "the US is the Great Satan, Israel the little satan (as they do) and those bloody Greeks are Satan's best f#$#@cking friend" And then I would build the Greek military something fierce. Awww but I digress..

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/europe/jan-june99/neighbors_4-22.html

quote:
Greece spends in excess of $6.0 million on International Military Education and Training (IMET) to train more than 500 students per year.

By training Greek officers in the U.S. and establishing cooperative ties to U.S. officers,
from:
http://athens.usembassy.gov/about_us/odc.htm

I could fill this post with the correct link but its 5:53 AM here on a Thursday morning and I have to sleep folks.

ISLAM=NAZISM

God Bless All the ALLIES
God Save the Queen

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 30, 2006 5:55 AM

Albania axis in WWII

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 30, 2006 5:59 AM

Since early 1990s the higher Greek officials have tried hard to restrain the Greek military

http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_politics_100010_20/05/2003_29809

countless events like the above occur but recently EU has had more say in Greece.
when the Greek military attacks the flying muslims its a huge headace due to the EU complaints to Greece.

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 30, 2006 6:21 AM

argh 6:21 am. must. sleep now. zzzzz

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 30, 2006 6:22 AM

test

Posted by: dadaism at November 30, 2006 6:32 AM

Sounds good, but the issue will return. Does anybody here know about the recent efforts to introduce software patents in the EU? The first effort was declined in a way, that can only be described as an enourmous battle of lobbyists, followed by a negative vote of the EU parliament. The second time the pro-softwarepatent lobbyists tried a smarter approach, they wanted a EU body responsible for agrariculture to bring it into the EU parliament, in the hope nobody would notice (typical lawyer behaviour). That was discovered and also declined. Now these lobbyists are running a "harmonization" campaign for patents and related questions, with the typical argument "this is globalization, we have to accommodate, there is no alternative (TINA-principle)". So in the long run Europe will suffer from software patents too, though every competent person will admit, that software patents only cause trouble, even MS was and is still sued by pantent trolls, but these ignorant corporations think, they've got the biggest (patent) arms, so they will win in the end, no matter how big's the collateral damage.

I'm afraid, that in the next 20 years there will be equivalent approaches to enforce turkey's EU membership, probably by redefining terms and by small steps aka salami tactics.

Posted by: dadaism at November 30, 2006 6:36 AM

...choke on it you godless Islamonazi scum. European Union is for freedom loving true democracies only.

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN

A contraire monsieur. The EU is for gutless, spineless PC countries who have lost all sense national pride to the guise of the secular multicultural- 'we are all one' dogma. The EU is responsible for the Islamic immigration mess that European COUNTRIES, (yes COUNTRIES not provinces, as the unelected, undemocratic Eurocrats would like to create) through their daft 'anti-racism' and 'human rights' laws being shoved at every point down our throats - these laws that the Mohammedans and all other illegal invaders who have absolutely no right to be in our countries or on this continent anyhow have used and abused with great skill to gain the right to remain here, despite their hatred for us, our cultures and our religion. But of course they have 'human rights' don't you know - human rights as long as you are a minority in an EU member country - so screw the majority, screw the thousands of years of history, culture, language and whatever else you have that distinguishes you from your neighbouring country - we're all now 'European' (for whatever that means or whatever that's worth) under a European superstate with unelected, undemocratic, unaccountable, arrogant, corrupt idiots who think they speak for the majority, when in actual fact their laws and opinions go completely contrary to popular opinion, and only serve as destruction for individual statehood, and serve the purpose of creating an Islamic caliphate in Europe.

Posted by: GreekFrenchInfidel at November 30, 2006 7:21 AM

Turkey will never be admitted to the EU because there will be popular revolt against the EU elites as Muslim flood the Continent (and UK) much worse than now.

20 years down the road the Turks might get admitted due to the birthrates of Muslims already in place in those infidel countries

Posted by: dennisw at November 30, 2006 7:55 AM

Too early to celegrate. The EU still has to vote on this. If I were a card playing man I would think the EU will fold. Hope I am wrong, but look at the Iran talks on nukes.

Posted by: TheOmegaMan at November 30, 2006 8:25 AM

Unfortunately, this ‘suspension’ is not what it seems. It is not a slap in the face for Turkey, but rather a sidestepping of Turkey’s legal obligations to implement a customs union with the Republic of Cyprus and to proceed, unhindered, with its EU accession process, concentrating on the 27 chapters that are not ‘suspended’.
Naturally, the Cypriots are dissatisfied with this EU cop out, insisting that Turkey be given a strict deadline to apply the customs union or have its entire EU membership application frozen. It seems Germany, Greece and France support Cyprus in this harder line, while Britain, Spain, Sweden and Italy are playing the dhimmis.

The initial anger attributed to Turkey yesterday – Erdogan was alleged to have said that the EU ‘suspension’ was ‘unacceptable’ – appears to have been nothing more than British spin, trying to make out that the EU action was tougher on Turkey than it actually was.

Posted by: cloudysunday at November 30, 2006 11:11 AM

Somehow, Turkey will end up in the EU. Worms always find holes.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 30, 2006 11:40 AM

Eh ?...Turkey`s entry into the E.U. is delayed because of thier relationship with Cyprus !
I would think any nation ( Turkey )that forces rape victims to marry thier rapists shouldn`t be allowed entry also.

Posted by: aladdinsane57 at November 30, 2006 2:05 PM

GreekFrenchInfidel
"The EU is for gutless, spineless PC countries who have lost all sense national pride to the guise of the secular multicultural- 'we are all one' dogma. The EU is responsible for the Islamic immigration mess that European COUNTRIES, (yes COUNTRIES not provinces, as the unelected, undemocratic Eurocrats would like to create"

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thats why I said if **I** happend to be the Greek PM... lol

Listen I know how the EU is acting but I firmly believe that the PEOPLES of the EU will wake up and then those EUcrats will listen and because of all the mutual EU agreements Europe will start to do "something". The thing is even the peace loving PC French --I bet if you scratchjust under the surface--will eventually ract violently aagainst its muslims. It will probably take alot --make the nuclear detonation of some of those suitcase dirty bombs Hamid Mir keeps talking about (he says there are 6 in US and Europe combinged) but it will come. Even now there are articles talking about anti-muslim backlash sweeping across EU among the regular people. Believe me I know EU is a PC group but honestly for how long. Even PC liberal types (which I dispeise for their dishonest) have a breaking point. The idiot Neville Chamberlains will give way to the Winston Churchills and then watch out. I predict the much malinged PC loving French will act even more violently then when they booted out 'good ol'' Lous under the revolution. And that day I will say VIVE LE FRANCE!

The thing with the PCs types whether they are running EU or Britain or a bakery shop --when push comes to shove and they foolishly declare "peace in our time!" they are always immediately shown to be wrong by the intrusion of a very LOUD historical event (like hitler laughing and invading other Euro conntries ANYWAY after any socalled peace agreements!).
Then the Churchills come in, the General Patons...

"We'll win this war,... We're not going to just shoot the sons-of-b*tches, we're going to rip out their living Godd*mned guts and use them to grease the treads of our tanks. We're going to murder those lousy Hun c*cksuckers by the bushel-f*cking-basket. War is a bloody, killing business. You've got to spill their blood, or they will spill yours. Rip them up the belly. Shoot them in the guts. When shells are hitting all around you and you wipe the dirt off your face and realize that instead of dirt it's the blood and guts of what once was your best friend beside you, you'll know what to do!" -- George S. Patton

http://www.blenheimpalace.com/winstonchurchill/swc_034_poster_largepic.jpeg&imgrefurl=http://www.blenheimpalace.com/winstonchurchill/poster2.htm&h=480&w=310&sz=39&hl=en&start=2&tbnid=VvAjLtjaQRbvEM:&tbnh=129&tbnw=83&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dlet%2Bus%2Bgo%2Bforward%2Btogether%2B%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26rls%3Dcom.netscape:en-US%26sa%3DN" rel="nofollow">http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.blenheimpalace.com/winstonchurchill/swc_034_poster_largepic.jpeg&imgrefurl=http://www.blenheimpalace.com/winstonchurchill/poster2.htm&h=480&w=310&sz=39&hl=en&start=2&tbnid=VvAjLtjaQRbvEM:&tbnh=129&tbnw=83&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dlet%2Bus%2Bgo%2Bforward%2Btogether%2B%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26rls%3Dcom.netscape:en-US%26sa%3DN

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 30, 2006 2:07 PM

So... Eurabia is not a bunch of hopeless dhimmis, after all. Promising development.

Posted by: US_infidel at November 30, 2006 2:09 PM

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52184

I believe Europe WILL wake up, and America, and the Commonwealth and every free country ...I am not saying the EU and the rest ARE awake but as islam is more beligeriant and it becomes as the Pentagon recently said that terrorists are "rational actors following the normal dictates of the Qur'an" , as more and more people and govts see Robert Spencer and others like him are CORRECT...the Allies will wake...fight...WIN thats why I come in here with the handle I do:

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 30, 2006 2:10 PM

As for the Americans I think they are and will be the ones to wake up the fastest. Too many good Christians of all denominations in the US for them not to wake up. And among the regular citizens I found even among secular people they all too well know that "Freedom is not Free" I went to the States last summer --it was refressing.

"Americans love to fight. All real Americans love the sting of battle." -- George S. Patton

(Im sure I will step on some PC for quoting Patton so much--but they better get used to it. Because there are alot of "Pattons" in the US and free world and soon they'll be shouting their statements in the ears of the soldiers. War is hell. But Ill be dammend if I let some pepodophile loving dirt eating camul dung fool call Shiaria law in the free countries. How about you?

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 30, 2006 2:29 PM

i dont want Turkey in the EU how dare they say how europe wont let them in the EU for being muslim when they wont even let my parents go back to there homes in North Cyprus which they stole 30 years and put illegal TUrk settlers there. what about the massacre of 6000 Greek Cypriots.

IF Turkey returns the property they stole from Greek Cypriots 30 years ago and they withdraw the turkish military out of Cyprus i dont really have a problem with Turkey joining EU but Turkey Wants to hold on to what it stole. Turkey needs to shut up about saying all that bullshit how EU is a christian club bla bla they know damn well that the reason they are having trouble joining the EU is becuase of the stealing and murdering they did in Cyprus 30 years

Posted by: Greek Gurl at November 30, 2006 2:30 PM

Yes I agree with you Greek Gurl ALL property stolen must be returned to the proper owners the Greek Cyprus . That goes for the Greek properties taken in Istanbul. But I bet if Greeks were muslims Turks wouldnt act like A#@$# to them . But thank God 99% of them are Christians

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 30, 2006 2:36 PM

yes allies shall win i forgot to mention that also turkey should return agia sophia and the greek land they stolen in Constantinople.

Posted by: Greek Gurl at November 30, 2006 3:12 PM

Allies Shall Win... Patton believed in reincarnation... FYI ... while his spirit is looking for a new body I'm channeling him. He's says he's back & he's pissed.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at November 30, 2006 4:47 PM

I'm a pro-EU, social democrat. Of course the EU needs some drastic reforms and the -weakening - French policy of trying to hegemonise needs a good kicking in the teeth. I'm also appalled at the way many social democrats take the easy option of accepting a guaranteed Muslim bloc vote in return for appeasing the most socially reactionary and obscurantist elements in their society, as well as going easier than they might on immition controls. I'm even in favour of a reasonably multi-cultural society if things are kept within the bounds of common sense - and as long as it is remembered that Islam is a different thing altogether from any other cultural baggage immigrants may bring with them.(Although I notice that human sacrifice did put in one unwelcome appearance from NW Africa a year or two ago) It is the fact that more people like me are getting wise to the threat from jihadism and the bad habits that Mohammedanism fosters tht makes Turkey's entry to the EU grow increasingly unlikely. In my case it was years of close contact with Muslims and Islam that produced my hostility to that belief system and what it does to its adherents.It wsn't some sense of nationalism, over and above a normally acceptable level of quiet patriotism, a belief in conservative poltics or any strong Christian conviction. I do note that Christianity allowed the developemnet of political freedom while islam did not, something remrked upon at least as long ago as the 18th century. I think the UN is a terrible institution but it has its uses, and if it did not exist it would be necessary to invent it. Despite constant Muslim attemps to manipulate and subvert it, I am also a supporter of the human rights act and the declaration tht backs it up(of course, the occasional suspension of habeus corpus in unusual circumstances has acceptable precedents).
The reason for this little outburst of self-absorbtion is that while a lot of people in the west are labouring under false assumptions about Islam, a lot of anti-jihadists seem to have many false ideas about what qualifies people as opponents of the spread of that cult.
I oppose Turkey's entry to the EU for the obvious reasons although the UK's Turkish community, apart from the occasional, rare, shoot-out in the streets lives quietly and does not make a nuisance of itself - being too busy maintaining its position as the main conduit of heroin into the country.

Posted by: wallyUK at November 30, 2006 6:26 PM

As the addage goes "Even a stopped clock is right twice a day." Here we see Europe making what appears to be the right move, but it's only an illusion, and it's done for all the wrong reasons.

This isn't European resistance to Islamic intransigence, it's the EU attempting to market their fantasy of hegemony. They have little to no power to back up their demands, and the fact they are unable, even now, to say out loud what their true problem is with Turkey only magnifies this impotence.

Turkey knows it. Turkey can accomplish her designs without accession. But they know that the takeover would be much easier and happen much faster if they could get the Euros directly from the Euros to pay for the whole affair. That's all.

Posted by: jsla at November 30, 2006 6:28 PM

" Patton...He's says he's back & he's pissed."

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses

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I bet he is ! LOL

Islam is Nazism with a turban on is what Im learning as I read all the killing they do daily to progress their caliphite dreams.
www.mychristianblood.org

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"All Nazi's are bad, but not all Germans are Nazi's".--Patton

Same applies for Islam, This is not a "racial" thing as they like to proclaim because Islam is not a race. Turkish people are not Arabs and Arabs sure as hell arent Persians! Black Africans arent Asian Indonesians --yet all those groups have large Islamic radical belief systems.

Look at my exmuslim Turkish friend and his exmuslim Morrocan girlfriend --they are our good friends (our as in myself and my lady). Its not "racial". They HATE Islam (for what it has done in their own personal lives since they had been born into it!) No, Its philosophical as it was with Nazism and the damn commies.

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I have to quote Patton one more time (it makes the PC dhummnis uneasy to say the least)--when people ask me why I joined the reserves I always remember:

"There is one great thing that you men will all be able to say after this war is over and you are home once again. You may be thankful that twenty years from now when you are sitting by the fireplace with your grandson on your knee and he asks you what you did in the great World War II, you WON'T have to cough, shift him to the other knee and say,
"Well, your Granddaddy shoveled shit in Louisiana.

No, Sir, you can look him straight in the eye and say,

Son, your Granddaddy rode with the Great Third Army and a Son-of-a-Goddamned-Bitch named Georgie Patton!"

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 30, 2006 9:56 PM

if turkey does join the EU then i want Greece and Cyprus to pull out of the EU because if we let Turkey in the EU it will give the turks rights to immagrate in Greece and Cyprus since they are part of the EU then they will take all of Cyprus and greece over if the EU and the US and UK arnt doing nothing to help Greek Cypriots get there homes back what is the point of there being a EU its not just about the Ports i dont give a damn about the ports i care that my families property is occupied by turks i want them to get out and go bakc to where they came from

Posted by: Greek Gurl at December 1, 2006 3:44 PM