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"Hossam Ahmed, a retired Air Force Reserve colonel who occasionally leads prayer meetings for the small Muslim congregation at the
Pentagon, agreed. 'Ignorance is the number one problem. Education is of the essence.'" -- from this article about growing distrust of Muslims in the United States
The personally appealing Muslim who outwardly seems to offer no problem for Infidels, nonetheless poses a problem -- no matter how benign his own motives. No doubt the military colleagues of Hossam Ahmed find him a swell fellow, but ultimately that doesn’t tell them a single solitary thing about Islam or Jihad. It should not get in the way of their studying Islam, comprehending Islam, and indeed comprehending why the unrepresentative "good Muslim" is so unrepresentative indeed.
By “unrepresentative ‘good Muslim’" I mean the handful who serve in the armed services, perhaps because they came, say, from India (where educated Muslims have had to accommodate themselves to, and have therefore been affected outwardly by, the larger non-Muslim society in which they swim, which softens the hard edges) or are in other ways quite particular in their personal histories (Afghanis who fled the Taliban, Iranians who fled the Islamic Republic of Iran).
Such people should not for a moment have been taken to "represent Islam" or, still worse, to demonstrate that there is nothing to worry about in regard to Islam or Jihad. They, by their outward affability or even charm help foster misconceptions that can be quite dangerous to Infidel Americans keen not to offend colleagues, keen to assume the best and never the worst, keen not to be too mistrustful nor to draw conclusions based on the study of a belief-system.
Imagine, for a moment, attempting to arrive at, and then to articulate to one's colleagues or to policymakers, what has been suggested so often here: the need to see the belief-system of Islam and Jihad as a source of permanent threat to all non-Muslims, and then to formulate a policy designed to divide and demoralize the Camp of Islam in order to lessen that menace, and at the same time to allow the natural fissures within Islam, ethnic, sectarian, and economic, develop -- so that they will do the work that might otherwise have to be accomplished by Infidels in other ways.
Now imagine that you teach at a military school with a Muslim colleague -- say, Vali Nasr. Or you are giving a presentation to people in the executive branch and Zalmay Khalilzad is present. Or you are giving a lecture to a select group and either, or both, Fouad Ajami and Kanan Makiya are participants -- both of them clearly Muslim-for-identificaton-purposes-only Muslims, yet neither willing to be an open apostate, and both of them retaining -- Makiya it would appear far more than Ajami -- a filial piety (perhaps to remembrances of relatives past, who were simple and pious Muslims who rejected all the natural anti-Infidel attitudes of Islam) that causes you to not wish to hear about plans to divide and demoralize and weaken the Camp of Jihad. Telling the truth under such circumstances would require people who are quite sure of themselves and are willing to offend colleagues or others whom they know, whom they may have to work beside -- people who are personally attractive, but who as Muslims, even if in name only, may inhibit sensible planning and discussion of what Infidels must come to grips with.
It is not the handful of westernized and secularized Muslims who matter for the making of policy, except insofar as they may here and there, if willing, be able to help in the propaganda war to weaken the appeal of the Jihad to both Muslims and Infidels alike. It is the menace posed by the hundreds of millions of primitive Muslims that matters, and that must be the focus of policy.
Forget all the Hossam Ahmeds, Vali Nasrs, Kanan Makiyas, Fouad Ajamis. This is too menacing a matter, with everything at stake, for personal or professional delicacy and decorum. Too many Americans don't know how to be relentless, perhaps seemingly ruthless, in their own defense. They have forgotten all the lessons of World War II and the Cold War -- or perhaps they never knew them.
Niceness will just have to go.
Posted by Hugh at December 4, 2006 9:29 AM
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"Too many Americans don't know how to be relentless, perhaps seemingly ruthless, in their own defense. They have forgotten all the lessons of World War II and the Cold War -- or perhaps they never knew them".
Amen to that. To me, it's as if WW2 happened in some other universe-the Allies of that time bear no resemblence to the nations of the same names of today. Neither does Germany for that matter. It is inconceivable that these nations were once locked in bloody, highly destructive warfare when one sees how soft the world has become. Nobody blinked at firebombing enemy cities back then-today one bomb accidently hits a school and it's as if Tokyo 1945 had been repeated. Yes Hiroshima was a terrible thing but I am glad there were leaders back then who felt that was preferable to an invasion of Japan or worse- ending the war without a Japanese surrender. Today's leaders, and much of those they govern, would easily take ending the war without an enemy surrender as the ONLY option. The niceness MUST come to an end or the enemy will end us.
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at December 4, 2006 10:10 AM
ISLAMSFORLOSERS
We can only hope that this is a cyclic thing and western societies will swing back, discover their confidence and self-preservation and rise to the challenge.
i am hopeful as the one constant is human nature which to the best of my knowledge has not undergone any significant changes recently.
at December 4, 2006 10:31 AM
Assalamau Laikum AIG,
You say "If we're letting muslims into our Armed Forces and allowing them to hold prayer meetings and congegrate AT THE PENTAGON, then we really are ignorant!"
Sometimes I get exhasparated while reading some of your posts. How can you say this!
Is there a church there in the Pentagon...if they want one they can have it. Those Mohemmedians in the pentegon in conjunction with peoples like Keith Ellison are trying to save your collective hide...please show a bit of appreciation.
You can bring a Mohemmedian to the US but you cannot drum the muslim out of him....as one famous beatle said "Let it be". I'm sure he is adequately "watched" while praying...what's the problem.....get a grip woman.... you are fast becoming paranoid.
at December 4, 2006 10:51 AM
"Is there a church there in the Pentagon"
Why naseem you know there is a Church at the pentagon but you also know that the comparison is not equivalent - that is basic logic Naseem though I do understand that you muslims with your limited Intelligenc Quotients (IQ) median 80 points do have some trouble with basic mathematical abstrctions.
let me clarify this one - anything to help a fellow traveller -
Christianity is NOT an evil expansionist sadistic violent belief system
ISLAM IS
did that help?
Posted by: johnmac at December 4, 2006 10:57 AM
You say "If we're letting muslims into our Armed Forces and allowing them to hold prayer meetings and congegrate AT THE PENTAGON, then we really are ignorant!"
Sometimes I get exhasparated while reading some of your posts. How can you say this!
Is there a church there in the Pentagon...if they want one they can have it. Those Mohemmedians in the pentegon in conjunction with peoples like Keith Ellison are trying to save your collective hide...please show a bit of appreciation.
You can bring a Mohemmedian to the US but you cannot drum the muslim out of him....as one famous beatle said "Let it be". I'm sure he is adequately "watched" while praying...what's the problem.....get a grip woman.... you are fast becoming paranoid.
Posted by: Naseem at December 4, 2006 10:51 AM
I get exasperated in reading every one of your posts. Such a liar you are. But then, that makes you a good muslim, doesn't it?
And I appreciate muslims very much, the dead ones. Jusr like a famous American general of yore who felt that way about American Indians. Just remember, it is the pseudo religion of islam, and your fellow believers, who have brought upon themselves this negative attitude held by an increasing number of Americans. The more one knows of islam, the more one can only hate and despise it. And I hate and despise islam, as well as all who profess a belief in Ol' Moe the Warlord and Pedophile, i.e., the 'Perfect Man'.
No islam = Know Peace
Posted by: Rick at December 4, 2006 11:01 AM
A church is of the Christian religion and that religion has no 'sharia law' nor the doctrine of establishing a worldly caliphite (because Jesus said my kingdom is NOT of this world ). Islam wants to "save us" like Hitler wanted to 'save' Europe and unite it under Nazi Rule. Never forget that friends. With 'help' like that and 'friends' like that --who needs enemies!
Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at December 4, 2006 11:08 AM
We can only hope that this is a cyclic thing and western societies will swing back, discover their confidence and self-preservation and rise to the challenge.
i am hopeful as the one constant is human nature which to the best of my knowledge has not undergone any significant changes recently.
Posted by: johnmac at December 4, 2006 10:31 AM
One can only hope that the West does indeed wake up soon because the rot has been destroying it for quite some time.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 4, 2006 11:19 AM
ISLAMSFORLOSER
I see many hopeful signs - Europe has started to swing to the right - the far right - as in Denmark - previously a bastion of Liberalism - no more - they have banned immigration completely and repatriation is being openly talked about - the Far Right Party is now mainstream - watch France - Le penn could surprise everybody and if France swings then its a whole new ball game - watch out little morrocan thugs it could get very tough in France .
Posted by: johnmac at December 4, 2006 11:27 AM
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2486268,00.html
Dead Russian spy to be buried as a Muslim
Philippe Naughton
Alexander Litvinenko, the former Russian intelligence agent poisoned in London, is to be buried according to Muslim tradition after converting to Islam on his deathbed.
The spy's father, Walter Litvinenko, said in an interview published today that his son - who was born an Orthodox Christian but had close links to Islamist rebels in Chechnya - made the request as he lay dying in University College Hospital.
"He said ’I want to be buried according to Muslim tradition’," Mr Litvinenko told Moscow's Kommersant daily.
"I said, ’Well son, as you wish. We already have one Muslim in our family - my daughter is married to a Muslim. The important thing is to believe in the Almighty. God is one.’"
Posted by: Voyager at December 4, 2006 11:29 AM
americaningermany
me thinks the Lady doth protest too much - its all an act - it - I will use the indefinite - only wants to wind us up - I actually really like to answer its posts as it does have a certain sense of humour which is not what I readily associate with our muslim friends
Posted by: johnmac
at December 4, 2006 11:32 AM
Alexander Litvinenko, the former Russian intelligence agent poisoned in London, is to be buried according to Muslim tradition after converting to Islam on his deathbed.
christ if this is true then it explians a lot - he was a chechen sympathiser and a traitor - death is too good for him
Posted by: johnmac at December 4, 2006 11:34 AM
Assalamau Laikum AIG,
You say "The islamo-nazi above cannot fathom WHY we would not consider having muslims at our Pentagon".
Despite the venom of the replies, name calling, laughter and making humour of my deceased husband...I have almost always tried to remain civil to you all....islamo-nazi?...my name is Naseem, but I guess it would be too much to ask you to be civil...like I am to you.
All is not right with Islam....a handful of suras should not be there...I have acknowledged it. I actually skip over the more violent suras.....I talk to friends and Imams that the peaceful suras should not be considered abrograted....I acknowledge that the founder of Ahmaddiya was not the Mahdi...but an excellent spiritual teacher...someone from even narrow minded peoples like you, stillfed and Allies could learn from.
I don't believe in Jihad...but in peaceful Dawa....I have acknowledged that too.
You name me ONE muslim on this planet(not those who have converted)....but muslim...who has gone so far. ....can't think of one?...I thought not...so how then does make me an islamo-nazi...think before you write...you know it makes sense.
Posted by: Naseem at December 4, 2006 12:08 PM
Naseem complained: "islamo-nazi?...my name is Naseem, but I guess it would be too much to ask you to be civil...like I am to you."
I have news for ya honey, I gave up being civil to muslims around 9 in the morning on September 11th, while standing in the middle of 5th Avenue. Don't like what you are experiencing here? Then kwityerbitchin' to us and start bitchin' to you co-'religionists'. But that would require some serious balls, which you obviously lack, on many levels.
Naseem also complained: "I don't believe in Jihad...but in peaceful Dawa....I have acknowledged that too."
Dawa by any other name is still a lie. You muslims are good at that sort of thing, though. So plow on with your lies. I, for one, ain't buyin'. Civil enough for you, Ms. Follower of the Pedophile Warlord who created a religion out of whole cloth and which you follow, hook, lie, and sword?
Posted by: Rick at December 4, 2006 12:36 PM
Hugh
Great points. It's obvious that policy planners cannot devise policies that undermine Islam in the presence of any Muslims - Hossam Ahmed, Vali Nasr, Kanan Makiya, Fouad Ajami, Irshad Manji, Amir Taheri, et al, since they don't have the stomach to alienate them. Given that, they should devise those policies keeping them out, and then announce it in their absence. If the people above take umbrage, they should assign obnoxious underlings to address their concerns.
Voyager
The last 2 weeks, I had been sympathetic to Litvinenko, and wishing that Volodaya Pootie-Poot would focus such attentions on the Chechens, and other Jihadis. However, if it's true that Litvinenko was a Chechen supporter, then he fully deserved what he got. Just hope the Russkies (what's the successor organization to the KGB - anybody know?) replicate this with Jihadis and Western Dhimmi sympathizers.
See - my niceness is gone. Thank you, Hugh.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at December 4, 2006 12:52 PM
The ideas of good and evil have been replaced in western culture by "mean" and "nice," as in, "If we're nice enough, the enemy won't be so mean." Benjamin Netanyah himself diagnosed our problem after 9/11, when he said we'd have trouble responding to the attack because we don't understand real evil. We'd better figure it out, and grow some non-hegelian cajones fast.
Posted by: Clive at December 4, 2006 1:04 PM
RE above: Netanyahu. Need more coffee.
Posted by: Clive at December 4, 2006 1:12 PM
You can bring a Mohemmedian to the US but you cannot drum the muslim out of him....as one famous beatle said "Let it be". I'm sure he is adequately "watched" while praying...what's the problem.....get a grip woman.... you are fast becoming paranoid.
Posted by: Naseem
Hey, burka-babe. Thanks for making our point. Indeed we don't need to BRING the mahometans [pissbuh] to the West. They come all on their owwn, sweetheart. WE al know that you can take the mahometan out of an islamic country but you can never take islam out of him. Which is exactly WHY we don't want your kind around us.
at December 4, 2006 1:15 PM
Assalamau Laikum GIA,
You said "WE al know that you can take the mahometan out of an islamic country but you can never take islam out of him. Which is exactly WHY we don't want your kind around us".
Excellent point well made....however it goes against Allahs NEWS (North East West South) spread policy for muslims.
Muslims must spread...it is part of his flat earth policy and revelation. I really would ask for all muslims in the ummah to leave the Amerike...but Allah's flat earth policy takes precedence....so sorry!.
Posted by: Naseem at December 4, 2006 1:25 PM
Naseem, in so far as you are sincere, you are projecting what is good in you unto Islam, and then mistaking your own reflection for the nature of Islam itself. Which is a shame, because I think that anyone who sincerely rejects violent jihad has en exceptional amount of inherent goodness in them, but regrettably ends up giving credibility to a harmful ideology, and neither can that inherent goodness flower into something better, like a closer relationship to the Creator.
In my view, prayer to Allah is not prayer to the Creator. Why? Because many muslims who pray to Allah frequently and take the religion seriously end up killing themselves and murdering many innocent people in the process. If Allah were the Creator, he would never abandon people who prayed to him frequently and seemingly sincerely to the extent where he would allow them to kill themselves and murder innocents in the process. My view is that Allah is therefore another entity all-together, from which entity the further one is, the better for him....I have no doubt Osama and Al-Zarqawi get to spend an eternity with Allah for obeying his words, but it is quite unlike what Allah promised them...
John Chapter 10
"He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold but climbeth up another way, the same is a thief and a robber"...."I am the door. By me if any man shall enter, he shall be saved; and he shall go out and go in, and he shall find pastures. The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I am come that they may have life and nay have it abundantly....I am the good shepherd. I know mine and mine know me.
So since Muhammad did not go in by the "door", that is by accepting Christ, but certainly came to the sheepfold to steal and kill and destroy, I'd say Christ probably had especially him in mind when saying those words.
at December 4, 2006 1:41 PM
Muslims must spread...it is part of his flat earth policy and revelation. I really would ask for all muslims in the ummah to leave the Amerike...but Allah's flat earth policy takes precedence....so sorry!.
Posted by: Naseem
They also must leave Europe. Including Kosovo and turkish-occupied Greece. So git ur alla-balla up on out of here! Before shit starts to happen. We cannot be help responsible when we are constantly provoked. Some among us - the tiny minority - may find it time to do something.
at December 4, 2006 1:50 PM
Alexander Litvinenko was a Muslim convert and sympathised with the Chechen rebels.
This is all I need to know that Vladimir Putin had absolutely nothing to do with his death. Let's face it, why would he bother killing a guy who is so insignificant to him. I think that it is far more likely that he allowed himself to be poisoned or did it himself for the greater good of Islam.
These guys are the truest of nut balls you could possibly find. Muslim's use women and children as human shields in all of their conflicts, we know they believe in dying for their cause, so why not frame someone who is harsh on them. The Chechen's have taken a big time beating by the Russians, and they want it stopped.
The more I think of it, I'm positive that the journalists who are sympathetic with the Chechen's would be assassinated by them also for the same reason. You have to look at every angle possible with these slime balls, simply anything is possible when warring with Muslim's.
Niv
Posted by: niv at December 4, 2006 2:16 PM
Alexander Litvinenko was a Muslim convert and sympathised with the Chechen rebels.
So good riddance IMHO. And who gives a rat's behind about some journo who gets wasted trying to stir up trouble for the Russian troops in Chechnya? We made the mistake of taking the wrong side in Kosovo. Let's be smarter this time.
And no, moslems in no way pray to the same God as Jews and Christians do. moslems worship Satan. They lay waste to everything in their path - like locusts.
So yes: Niceness will have to go.
Posted by: germaninamerica at December 4, 2006 2:27 PM
germaninamerica-
At least locusts are a part of the food chain. Birds eat them. Who'd want to eat an Islamaniac?
Not even a vulture.
at December 4, 2006 2:36 PM
in the it is that generation that fought in World War II and Korea is very different from the generation that went to Vietnam .a generation went to the great war and also been been through the Great Depression and because of that were a lot stonger
because of its they hadthe strength to do what needed to be donebut flower power generation had never known what it was like to miss a meal or go without and now that Vietnam generation are the politically correct former flower children is still believe they can fix the worlds problems with there ideas of multiculturalism and diversity and do not have the inner strength to to take a hard stance is needed today
at December 4, 2006 3:39 PM
"You can bring a Mohemmedian to the US but you cannot drum the muslim out of him....as one famous beatle said "Let it be". I'm sure he is adequately "watched" while praying...what's the problem.....get a grip woman.... you are fast becoming paranoid. "
better to be paranoid that having half a brain
Posted by: StillFedUp at December 4, 2006 4:54 PM
"but I guess it would be too much to ask you to be civil...like I am to you. "
do you think WE CARE? even HITLER was very civil and polite.
"All is not right with Islam....a handful of suras should not be there...I have acknowledged it. I actually skip over the more violent suras....."
we have a word for that and it's full blown hypocritical.
"I acknowledge that the founder of Ahmaddiya was not the Mahdi...but an excellent spiritual teacher...someone from even narrow minded peoples like you, stillfed and Allies could learn from. "
your "leader" was a pathological sociopath, that one day said to be jesus, another day said to be khrishna.
One day said jesus was buried in india, another day he was buried in syria.
We don't follow crazy sociopaths, YOU DO.
"I don't believe in Jihad...but in peaceful Dawa....I have acknowledged that too. "
your dawa is the deadliest of OFFENCE, it's a murderous act that's violent beyond imagination.
Posted by: StillFedUp at December 4, 2006 4:59 PM
"Why do muslims have prayer meetings at the Pentagon????"
Jihad Watchers don't appreciate the extent to which Muslims have become woven into the warp and woof of American society, on the basis of the mainstream dominance of PC MC.
Jihad Watchers: you are the extremist minority! Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.
Posted by: remote_control at December 4, 2006 5:05 PM
any evidence that Alexander Litvinenko turned muslim?
So I was right in saying that russia knows how to deal with traitors.
Posted by: StillFedUp at December 4, 2006 5:21 PM
hugh
I see that you have deleted my post which requested your views on the recent comments by the great man himself Bernard Lewis - I guess a couple of starred out explet**ves are just way over the top so I congratulate you on your moral clarity - anyway I would still like to have your opinion on what the old **** had to say.
**** ******* *** ******d
Posted by: johnmac at December 4, 2006 5:23 PM
There are lots of links out there about this convert to Islam, how can anyone buy a single word that came out of his mouth.
\http://www.express.co.uk/news_detail.html?sku=814
Niv
Posted by: The fanatic at December 4, 2006 5:48 PM
Americaningermany, you have no idea how happy I am to see that more and more people have woken up to what was done in Kosovo to the Serbs.
It was a huge uphill battle to get people to listen to the facts surrounding that conflict, and this truly is a war that the media is still not accepting its part in.
I feel sorry for the bad rap Serbs faced this past decade plus, but hopefully now there will be amends made for this by not allowing the partition of Kosovo.
By the way, I wonder how many people here know that the UCK or KLA which ever you like was armed by Turkey and Iran with NATO help, while at the same time disarming the Serbs, how's that for a zinger?
Niv
Posted by: niv at December 4, 2006 5:56 PM
"He said ’I want to be buried according to Muslim tradition’," Mr Litvinenko told Moscow's Kommersant daily.
"I said, ’Well son, as you wish. We already have one Muslim in our family - my daughter is married to a Muslim. The important thing is to believe in the Almighty. God is one.’"
Posted by: Voyager
GOOD GRIEF!! Russia is full of mushy-headed LiEberals just like WE ALL are!!! What about China?
at December 4, 2006 6:45 PM
UCK means Ushtria Clirimtare Kombetare (National Liberation Party) and KLA which is used in the west means (Kosovo Liberation Army). UCK is what most of these guys refer to themselves as. Either way you prefer it equals Al Queda front and terrorist organization.
These guys with the help of NATO are making their dream of the Greater Albania Concept a near reality now. This is one of the most frightening developments in recent history. Check out this link to a map, this map has been found on many dead UCK/KLA fighters over the years. It includes ares of present day Yugoslavia, Greece, and the Former Yugoslavian Republic of Macedonia. Sorry, as a Greek I have a bit of a problem with the Macedonia name, but I'll save that rant for another time.
http://www.kosovo.net/terzic2.html
Niv
Posted by: niv at December 4, 2006 6:46 PM
Americaningermany,
"I said, ’Well son, as you wish. We already have one Muslim in our family - my daughter is married to a Muslim. The important thing is to believe in the Almighty. God is one.’"
Doesn't this make you want to puke. Where do we find these guys? I'm with you, good riddance to this prick!
Niv
Posted by: niv at December 4, 2006 6:48 PM
Americaningermany,
As someone who visits this site regularly you are obviously more than aware of what kind of state our media is in. I believe most of us are here looking for examples of the truth that our media is hiding or ignoring. It is a sad fact though that they won't mention it, isn't it?
I've also promoted a book written by a Canadian journalist and ex-soldier here, I'll do it again.
The name is Scott Taylor, and the book is called An Un-Civil War. It is about the aftermath of the Yugoslavia conflict and has lots of dirt on the reality of the conflict. In my opinion it is a must read by anyone who wants to know the truth about this conflict.
I treasure this book as much as I do the Truth About Muhammed and The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and the Crusades. All must reads.
Niv
Posted by: niv at December 4, 2006 7:17 PM
Rick, you, and a few other posters here, actually experienced the horrors of 9/11 firsthand. I believe that germaninamerica was also one who experienced the full horrors of the day.
Yes, I witnessed it up front and "poisonal". I'd never had much patience for these presumptuous always-lying, always-cheating muftis and I'd been telling my American friends for years that they were coming. I told them it was merely a matter of time till something happened. Same in Germany where I heard nothing but the n-word thrown at me. My counter point was always: "I hope you will always think of me as a Nazi for what I am saying because the day you realize I was right will be a day of terrible tragedy and consequence." Then came 1993 the somewhat unsuccessful WTC bombing and I had an open ear here and there. My other line was also: "If you have to call me that well, I'd rather be a live Nazi [although that's not how I define myself] than a dead LiEberal who [in my case] would mean having to be one in defiance of all logic."
Still the thickheadedness persisted for the most part. I did find it was easier than before to make Jewish friends.
Then came September 11, 2001. I woke up from the blast. My clock radio showed 8:47 and when i hit the ON bar Don Imus interrupted himself to announce that a plane had hit the World Trade Center and that it was NOT meant to be a joke. My first thought was: "Osama bin Laden".
Footsteps outside in my hallway.. footsteps all over the roof under which i lived. So I rushed up to join the other tenants of my building.
There it was in full view, sickening sight... a couple of girls were crying and when i said "Osame Bin Laden" I was told that I was ruswhing to judgement and how do I know this for sure? I said because I KNOW! So frustrating!!!
Cut to second plane. Now do you think they believed me?
The argument against an attack was that it could have been an accident against which I countered that ANY pilot would try to AVOID causeing extra casualties and thus would fly a possibly crippled plane into the water if no other option for a landing attempt were available to him. So now I said: TWO accidents within and hour of one another?
They still didn't WANT to believe that all of us were witness to EVIL finally having arrived at America's shores. But i finally got some grudging acceptance of my "theory". Same for the TV media.. they were no longer able to talk around the subject.
And now we find ourselves here in this forum today.
at December 4, 2006 7:21 PM
I would be derelict of duty to Truth if I neglected to add that the MSM and unfortunately a LOT of New Yorkers who saw this Sh™t live tried to put it behind them by pretending it never happened.
just have a look at the loonies in Union Square all day with their stupid placards and peace buttons.
Or they try to get over the unavoidable consequence of these events by sharing blame somehow for this.
We KNOW the unavoidable consequence is WAR.
Maybe Iraq was not the place to go. At least IMHO. Afghanistan yes, but AT FULL FORCE! Then Iran and KSA. That would have made more sense.
There is hope that Iran and KSA will tangle once we get out of Iraq and that is GOOD NEWS! They'll have to open the spigot while we research new energy sources. Money spent fighting each other means less money for minor major jihad. It's all good afaik.
Posted by: germaninamerica at December 4, 2006 7:30 PM
Muslims must spread...it is part of his flat earth policy and revelation. I really would ask for all muslims in the ummah to leave the Amerike...but Allah's flat earth policy takes precedence....so sorry!.
Posted by: Naseem
Have you ever wondered how similar allah-akhbar sounds to Heil Hitler?
moslems DO spread, Nazeem.. they spread like a disease, like cockroaches in a greasy spoon.. like rats in a subway tunnel. And when the bright light of the truth shines upon them ONLY THEN they scurry and scatter.
I know the ONLY way to deal with muftis is a HEAVY HAND covered with an IRON GLOVE!
Nazeem you should consider this.. not that u have any policy decisions u can make one way or the other.. but.. the bloodier this gets and the more violent it gets.. the LESS sympathy there will be for the vanquished and we WILL extract reparations. You can bet your disease-infested @ss on it.
Posted by: germaninamerica at December 4, 2006 7:40 PM
Americaningermany,
Thanks I'll make note and order that book also.
Take care, I'll blog with you guys in a couple of days. I'm leaving for work starting my graveyard stint, sucks but gotta pay the bills.
Niv
Posted by: niv at December 4, 2006 7:44 PM
In the book Blowing up Russia: Terror from Within, published in 2002 with the financial support of Berezovsky, Litvinenko alleged that agents from the FSB co-ordinated the 1999 Russian apartment bombings that killed more than 300 people. Russian officials blamed the explosions on Chechen separatists.
Given Litvinenko's links with the Chechens, how credible are the claims he made in his book in the first place. Given more time, he'd probably have found the occasion to blame the Moscow Opera hostage crisis and the Beslan school massacre on the Kremlin, rather than the Chechens.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at December 4, 2006 7:46 PM
I never understand why some people think that enabling evil is 'nice'. Doing it with a smile does not make it 'nice', it is still stupid and/or cowardly, and evil - evil was never 'nice'.
Posted by: EnglishBlondie at December 4, 2006 8:44 PM
Actually, I dont mind Naseem. If she really is an Ahmaddiyan, then that means that she doesn't believe in threatening people with death as an alternative to conversion or dhimmitude, and technically isn't even a muslim.
At least, she isn't in the eyes of the majority of muslims.
And that's what frustrates me - the self-delusion. Naseem, if you came on here saying: "yes, you're right about what's contained in the koran and hadiths and this has to be brought to people's attention, but we Ahmaddiyans don't accept these verses, so please don't believe that everyone who calls themselves muslim is the same", then you'd probably get more sympathy here. We might even see you as an ally.
But you give the impression that all you want is the restoration of the caliphate and to see islam in dominance across the globe, whether it's your particular brand of islam or not.
In doing so, you act as an apologist for everyone who'd force my stepdaughters to wear the burqa and think they were justified in raping them if they didn't (and my 14-year old stepdaughter WAS recently raped, so this is a sore point for me), and all those who think that people should be second-class citizens if they don't happen to be muslim.
Naseem, we disagree about theology - you're an Ahmaddiyan and I'm a deist. I can live with that and your religious beliefs don't make you my enemy. I can even live with the dawa, I've spent enough time being polite to Jehovah's Witnesses on my doorstep (yes, I know I should have hidden behind the sofa). But where do you stand on the issue of people who don't believe that Mohammed was a prophet, or accept the Koran as being scripture, either in full or in part?
Surely as an Ahmaddiyan you should be on OUR side in fighting these jihadists, or is it that you feel so defensive when you read comments from posters about Mohammed and muslims that you inadvertently gravitate to the wrong side?
Posted by: Infidelandlovingit at December 4, 2006 8:52 PM
Switzerland is also suffering from the 'niceness' (what is nice about putting women at risk of rape?):
http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/index.php?menuID=1&subID=935&p=2
at December 4, 2006 8:53 PM
http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/index.php?menuID=1&subID=935
Posted by: EnglishBlondie at December 4, 2006 8:53 PM
"It's not as serious to rape a Swedish girl as an Arabic girl. The Swedish girl gets lots of assistance afterwards, right, and she's probably already been fucked. [...] It's far too easy to get a Swedish whore, I mean girl. [...] I don't have a lot of respect for Swedish girls; you can say that they get fucked 'til they're conked out.”
– Hamid from Lebanon, shares his views on Swedish girls in one of Sweden's largest newspapers Dagens Nyheter in November of 2000, a couple of weeks after a Swedish 14-year old girl was brutally gang-raped by an immigrant mob in Rissne, outside of Stockholm.
”When we're out on the town robbing and mugging we're waging war, we're waging war against the Swedes. [...] Power to me is to make Swedes look at me and to make them lie down on the ground and kiss my feet.”
– Comments by immigrant youths in a university paper in 2006 by Petra Åkesson, a student of sociology at the university in Lund in the southern province Skåne of Sweden.
Nice. And nice of nice people to help them do it to us.
Posted by: EnglishBlondie at December 4, 2006 9:01 PM
School Librarians in the UK are being recommended by the (government) Department for Education to buy and stock multiple copies of
Politics, Cutting through the Crap by Bali Rai (ISBN -13: 978-1-84428-778-9 or ISBN -10: 1-84428-778-5). it's only about £6 (or $10). Buy it; read it; and weep! But make sure that your School Board chucks it out! It is nothing more than pernicious, factually inaccurate, rubbish masquerading as an authentic opinion under the right to free speech.
Dominic.
Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at December 4, 2006 10:08 PM
My point, in my last post, is that that book demonstrates exactly what Hugh said in the Head article to all these posts. But worse, oh so very much worse, the pap and the gruel of political correctness is now being fed to our young with the willing connivance of government and in a way that you, the taxpayer, cannot, easily, find out about.
Dominic.
Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at December 4, 2006 10:12 PM
EnglishBlondie/
Great link - but disturbing news.
Dominic.
Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at December 4, 2006 10:21 PM
Hello Dominic - the rapes are happening all over Europe, everywhere where there are Muslim populations; Sweden, Switzerland, Holland, everywhere, even here in England. The media are hushing it all up and the law/police and governments are doing next to nothing about it.
I have posted this before, but just for anyone who has not read it yet:
http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/02/muslim-rape-epidemic-in-sweden-and.html
at December 4, 2006 10:30 PM
Here is one from England (previoulsy posted):
http://www.blackburncitizen.co.uk/news/newsheadlines/display.var.995239.0.murder_fear_of_sexgroom_girls_mum.phpl
at December 4, 2006 10:34 PM
at December 4, 2006 10:40 PM
``All is not right with Islam....a handful of suras should not be there...I have acknowledged it. I actually skip over the more violent suras.....I talk to friends and Imams that the peaceful suras should not be considered abrograted....I acknowledge that the founder of Ahmaddiya was not the Mahdi...but an excellent spiritual teacher...someone from even narrow minded peoples like you, stillfed and Allies could learn from.
I don't believe in Jihad...but in peaceful Dawa....I have acknowledged that too.
Posted by Naseem``
You know...that doesn`t make you a Muslim at all. You are not a true Muslim then. Muhammad himself stated that Jihad was the greatest thing a Muslim could do, and if he didn`t...something bad would happen.
Naseem, you are not a true Muslim. You said yourself, you do not agree with Jihad. Why don`t you join the fight against jihad and spread awareness? By completely ignoring the surahs that endorse violence, you simply turn a blind eye to what Islam truly is, and further confuse people that potentially could have the same goals as yourself. You are not a true Muslim.
Do you have any non-Muslim friends? If you do, you are not a true Muslim, because you aren`t hating who Allah wants you to hate.
Are you furthering the jihad cause? If you aren`t, you are not a Muslim. You are a confused Muslim caught in limbo between reality. Please, join our side, and help us win against the violent aspect of Islam that is all too present - you admitted it yourself. 9/11 was justified by your religion because Osama bin Laden told Americans to convert. They did not, and by 9:29, it was justified.
Posted by: TheVoiceofTruth at December 4, 2006 11:17 PM
EnglishBlondie/
I noted one phrase from the links which you posted:
"Supt Neil Smith of Lancashire Police said: "This is not a racist issue. It is about the exploitation of vulnerable young girls for sex. The majority of cases involve Asian males but there are also a significant proportion of cases involving white men using the internet."
Ah, the usual apology - whites also do it so don't judge the 'asians' too hard. What a load of b*****it, as I am sure that you will agree.
But, as I am equally sure that you will agree, Supt Neil Smith of Lancashire Police said: "This is not a racist issue". No, of course it's not. It's a religious issue. It's about islam and the way that islam treats, and views, women, both islamic and non-islamic, isn't it?
Dominic
Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at December 4, 2006 11:32 PM
Yes.
From the first article: 'predominantly Asian' and 'The majority of cases involve Asian males ' from the second. They mention a few internet pervs as a distraction. Of course, there are a few white internet pervs and they need stopping as well, but they are not the major problem here.
Just for our friends across the pond: although the perptrators of these sex crimes against children are 'Asian', the word 'Asian' in this context does not refer to the group you refer to as Asian in the States (e.g. Koreans and other what we call 'Oriental people' in England). In the articles (such as the ones above), the men are 'Asian' as in Pakistani and Bangladeshi, and this is code for Muslim in this context: Muslims of Pakistani and Bangladeshi origins is the group to which they refer when they say 'Asian' in these articles. 'Asian' in England means Pakistani, Indian or Bangladeshi - and it means Muslim in these contexts (and generally Pakistani or Bangldeshi rather than Indian). It is a bit confusing.
at December 5, 2006 12:14 AM
Slightly off topic, bu has anyone else noticed that the name Mohammad has the word "ham" smack in the middle of it?
Posted by: carpediadem at December 5, 2006 12:15 AM
My friend had a good cure for Jehovah Witnesses who kept knocking at his door. At first he was polite, then he showed them a little irritation and finally he came to the door stark naked. They never came back.
The point is the Muslim supremist notions must be exposed with theatre. Put their stupid beliefs on stage. Pull the pants down on their pompous self righteous, baseless belief system.
Stuff their dawa up their deriarre.
This is what that pompous ass, Bono, should be doing. He claims his roots were Christian but I can see him being a convert to the Islamists.
And The Boss Springsteen, the voice of the USA, sings about the ashes of 9/11 but never sinks his so called poetic head into what caused those ashes
and what is trying to devour the spirit of the USA. They could wake up a lot of people but they're too concerned with tending the fortunes of their own kingdoms while the minions who supported those kingdoms are ready to be devoured by the Death idealogy of Islam. But they're "nice guys".
at December 5, 2006 12:32 AM
”When we're out on the town robbing and mugging we're waging war, we're waging war against the Swedes. [...] Power to me is to make Swedes look at me and to make them lie down on the ground and kiss my feet.”
Apropos.. When time comes for the crusade.. WE WON'T FORGET THIS!!!
at December 5, 2006 1:11 AM
Hi Briars, if you want to have a good laugh at the self righteous, then watch this video (it really pulls their pants down):
http://my.break.com/media/view.aspx?ContentID=139745
Posted by: EnglishBlondie at December 5, 2006 1:30 AM
"A man can have sex with sheep, cows and camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village; however, selling the meat to the next door village should be fine."
Khomeini's "Tahrirolvasyleh" fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990
"If one commits the act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrement become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed and as quickly as possible and burned."
The Little Green Book, Sayings of Ayatollah Khomeini, Political,
Philosophical, Social and Religious, ISBN number 0-553-14032-9, page 47
Muslim village elders in Sudan were recently more lenient in the matter of bestiality. The BBC story -- politically correct in its omission of any reference to Islam -- can be found http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4748292.stm
nice.
Posted by: EnglishBlondie at December 5, 2006 1:37 AM
EnglishBlondie
Hope you're not eating at the moment. If you are, save this reading for some other time.
Fiqh-ul Sunnah. Version 1.05 - By Sayyid SaabiqPosted by: Infidel Pride
Volume 1 >> Fiqh 1.11 a: The urine and stools of animals that are permissible to eat
Fiqh 1.11 a: The urine and stools of animals that are permissible to eat
Both of these are considered impure. Ibn Mas'ud related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, went to answer the call of nature. He asked 'Abdullah ibn Mas'ud to bring three stones. 'Abdullah said, "I could not find three stones, so I found two stones and animal dung and brought them to him. He took the two stones and threw away the dung saying, 'It is impure."'
The hadith is related by al-Bukhari, Ibn Majah, and Ibn Khuzaimah. In one narration it states, "It is impure. It is the stool of a donkey." A little amount of it is pardoned though, as it is very difficult to completely protect one's self from it. Al-Waleed ibn Muslim says, "I said to al-Auza'i, 'What about the urine of animals whose meat is not eaten, like the mule, donkey and horse?' He said that they used to come into contact with these during their battles, and that they did not wash it off their bodies or clothes. As for the urine and stools of animals whose meat is permissible, Malik, Ahmad and a group of the Shaifiyyah says that it is pure. Commenting on the subject, Ibn Taimiyyah says, "None of the companions held that it is impure. In fact, the statement that it is impure is of recent origin and not from the early generations of the companions."
Said Anas, "A group of people from the tribes of Ukul or 'Uraina came to Madinah and became ill in their stomach. The Prophet ordered them to get a milking she-camel and drink a mixture of its milk and urine." This hadith is related by Ahmad, al-Bukhari and Muslim and points to a camel's urine as being pure. Therefore, by analogy, other permissible animals' urine may also be considered pure. Says Ibn al-Munzhir, "Those who claim that that was permissible only for those people are incorrect. Specification is only confirmed by some specific proof." He also says, "The scholars permit, without any objection, the sale of sheep's stools and the use of camel's urine in their medicine, both in the past and in the present, again without any objection. This shows that they are considered pure." Says ash-Shaukani, "Apparently, the urine and stools of every living animal permissible to eat is pure." There is nothing to prove otherwise.
at December 5, 2006 1:51 AM
Infidel Pride, nice. Here is some more nice stuff, from a fatwa by the nice Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran:
"A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, other sexual acts such as foreplay, rubbing, kissing and sodomy is allowed. A man having intercourse with a girl younger than nine years of age has not committed a crime, but only an infraction, if the girl is not permanently damaged. If the girl, however, is permanently damaged, the man must provide for her all her life. But this girl will not count as one of the man's four permanent wives. He also is not permitted to marry the girl's sister."
nice
German in America, this ("When we're out on the town robbing and mugging we're waging war, we're waging war against the Swedes. [...] Power to me is to make Swedes look at me and to make them lie down on the ground and kiss my feet.") is in accordance with verse 9:29. Nice.
nice
And remember, it is nice to support this stuff.
Posted by: EnglishBlondie at December 5, 2006 2:33 AM
Briars, sorry, what I meant to say before was watch this SHORT video (I missed a word):
http://my.break.com/media/view.aspx?ContentID=139745
at December 5, 2006 2:54 AM
Every Moslem is and remains a suspect--whether they are presentable, charming, or affable. Having Moslems in the armed forces of the United States is a mistake. Again, the idiotic try at showing that we are tolerant and accept all "religions" as equal and protected under the Constitution.
If Islam were to take over the United States (as horrific as the thought is, it must be considered), it would invalidate the Constitution.
No quarter must be given to Moslems, whether they threaten, wheedle, come at you with smiles, or with violence in their hearts.
This posture must be maintained until Moslems abandon the koran, the hadith, and renounce all violence to those who do not share a belief in their ideology.
(And that will happen when the center of the earth is at absolute zero degrees)
Posted by: unicorns62000 at December 5, 2006 2:58 AM
Assalamau Laikum all,
I think I am resigned to thinking that really I am not a real muslim in all senses of what word means...i.e. frankly there are some aspects of it that we are all better off without.
In this regard I am with you.
However I still beleive strongly in Allah SWT, and I think that we'll all be much better off with Allah in our lives...there is a hadith which says something to the effect "a lot of us don't know that which is good for us" and Allah is good for us...faith is good for us....wild slutty womens is bad for us.
So I think it's a case of not that Islam is removed out of the picture...but what sort of Islam is acceptable and good to accept for all us ...with Allah SWT being in the middle of this belief.
Ahmadi for me seems to be a good way forward...I have not come across that has this equivalence.
Posted by: Naseem at December 5, 2006 8:20 AM
Off topic news from down under:
'Jihad Jack' asks High Court to lift restrictions
Posted by: ummahnewslinks at December 5, 2006 10:07 AM
" I think I am resigned to thinking that really I am not a real muslim in all senses of what word means...i.e. frankly there are some aspects of it that we are all better off without.
"
Naseem it seems that if you are for real then you are closer to being a christian
i.e what do you get when you strip all the violence - mysogeny - supremasism and change the nature of allah from a frightening to a loving allah - which is what you say you want ??
answer = christianity
think about it my friend!
at December 5, 2006 10:27 AM
Naseem - have you ever considered the reason that the imams say 'and Allah ta'alla knows best' is because what is said before this makes no rational or intuitive sense? They have to make it better with 'Allah ta'alla knows best' because if you thought about it, it would make no damned sense.
Here's a serious problem for you ( an Ahmadhi who doesn't support fighting in the cause of Allah)
002.216
YUSUFALI: Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.
PICKTHAL: Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that ye hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not.
SHAKIR: Fighting is enjoined on you, and it is an object of dislike to you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you, and Allah knows, while you do not know.
Naseem - just throw it all away. islam is a plague on both houses... on dar al Islam and dar al Harb.
God says 'it's good to fight' ?
You, your nation and your people suffer greatly because "Allah knows best".
Throw it all out!
at December 5, 2006 11:44 AM
Naseem -
Jesus said, "You have heard it said, 'You shall love your neighbor but hate your enemy.' But I say to you, Love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you, so you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends his rain on the just and the unjust" (Matthew 5:43-45).
I'm not trying to convert you. I'm tryin to show you Allah is not worthy of respect, let alone worship. Allah says 'kill the unbeliever', Mohammed says 'kill the unbeliever or bend him to your will'
Mohammed and Allah do not speak for god.
Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at December 5, 2006 11:53 AM
Getting back to the beginning:
"Too many Americans don't know how to be relentless, perhaps seemingly ruthless, in their own defense. They have forgotten all the lessons of World War II and the Cold War -- or perhaps they never knew them".
I couldn't help thinking, while watching ol' Ted Koppel visit Iran last night. . . the Cold War was different in an important way: the Communists were still interested in self-preservation. Yes, the Cold War was real, but phrases from my childhood pop up in my memory, such as "mutually assured destruction." Each side on the Cold War *wanted* to come out on top, but knew the price it would pay, should nuclear weapons come into play.
If Iran had just enough nuclear warheads to bomb Israel, they wouldn't care less about our entire arsenal -- that could presumably be pointed at them. Because they count on the US refusing to use nuclear weapons upon the Middle East (or anywhere). And we probably wouldn't disappoint them.
The Soviet Union never tested us to see if we were bluffing. The Islamists do, all the time. And we blink, every time. (See also: the LA Times opinion linked at Jihad Watch today (Dec 5).)
Posted by: RerumNovarum at December 5, 2006 1:41 PM
Meeting pleasant, educated, Westernized Muslims certainly does make it diffult to see Islam for what it really is. Now, those folks that were mentioned in the article such as Khalilzad and Ajami I doubt are working behind the scenes for the destruction of Western civilization, but the onus is on us, the Infidel, not to let these sympathetic westernized personalities affect out decsion making (esp. in regard to national security) because sentimentality overrules rational thought.
Posted by: Brooklyn Dave at December 5, 2006 1:44 PM
Excellent point well made....however it goes against Allahs NEWS (North East West South) spread policy for muslims.
Muslims must spread...it is part of his flat earth policy and revelation. I really would ask for all muslims in the ummah to leave the Amerike...but Allah's flat earth policy takes precedence....so sorry!.
Posted by: Naseem
Now WHO is going to show this statement by a 'moderate' moslem to the NATO generals and the dhimmiticians who make our policy decisions??! Can we PLEASE return Kosovo to its rightful owner Serbia and maybe invite them into both Nato and the EU?
Scary to hear that new secretary of defense say he really appreciates turkey as a NATO partner. THAT statement alone shows me he's NOT who we need. He thinks only in terms of geo-strategy and never in terms of the "quality" of the people you join up with.
BIG MISTAKE.
Plus this appointment will mean more Americna bullying of Europe on turkey's behalf. With the US in the background the turks get a nice little lever to apply agains Europe.
BAD NEWS for Europe this defense guy.
This whole Bush/Bush cabal MUST GO!!
They keep IGNORING ISLAM!!
at December 5, 2006 1:58 PM
However I still beleive strongly in Allah SWT, and I think that we'll all be much better off with Allah in our lives...there is a hadith which says something to the effect "a lot of us don't know that which is good for us" and Allah is good for us...faith is good for us....wild slutty womens is bad for us.
Nazeem.. maybe you're losing your faith.. could it be that you're a lesbian deep down inside? Maybe you'd like to have a go with some "wild slutty womenz."?
Sounds like an "In living Color" skit to me.
Why go through all that alla-balla [piss be upon that satan] BS especially when what EXACTLY is promised to women in the afterlife?! Here in the present life you can have "wild slutty womenz" right now.
Posted by: germaninamerica at December 5, 2006 2:02 PM
This last Sunday I listened to a shocking interview on NPR with the director of the 2nd season of Showtime's Sleeper Cell, which premieres soon.
I don't watch this series, but I'm familiar with the controversy which surrounds it regarding the soft pedalling of Islam featured in the show. A main character is a "devout Muslim" FBI agent who does all the Islamic atmospherics -- praying 5 times a day and all, but who nevertheless tracks down the misunderstanders of a mighty religion and brings them to heel in the old American tradition. The interviewer asked the director to speak about how he came to conceive the show.
The director explained that America is still ignorant about Islam. He explained that he too had been ignorant of Islam when 9/11 happened, and for some time had been "quite angry with Muslims."
But then, he explains, he had a revelation which changed his mind completely and forever. Apparently after the dastardly attack on America, he saw the character known as Muhammad Ali, Boxing Champ, who was introduces as a pious Muslim. Suddenly the lights went off for this director -- and if the venerable palsied and harmless old boxing Champeen was a Muslim, then all the fear and loathing of Islam and Muslims must be completely unjustified.
Dear reader -- this seemed to form the entirety of this director's comprehension and understanding -- his epiphany on why we shouldn't worry --
Needless to say, taking an exotic exception such as Irshid Mangy, or Muhammad Ali as examples of Islam, Muslims, or what we can expect from Islam and Muslims at large is insane. I couldn't believe what I heard -- I could barely credit the groundless foundation this director had built his house of cards on. This is the type of brazen stupidity that continues to keep our society completely in the dark with regards to the deadly threat we face in the Muslim Menace.
Posted by: jsla at December 5, 2006 2:30 PM
to the few that thinks ahmadi are worth any respect
here's something about the "founder". Now tell me if this is a cult to follow
GHULAM AHMAD QADIANI CLAIMS IN CHRONOLOGICAL PERSPECTIVES
1880 - 1884: He wrote Baraahin-e-Ahmadiyya - four volumes
1890: He claimed 'I am the replica of Jesus.'
1892: 'Muhammad was the final prophet.
I do not lay claim to prophethood. I am the son of Mary.'
1893: 'God speaks to me and gives guidance for reforms'
1894: 'Jesus was a liar and his grandmother was a whore.'
1899: 'I am a Nabi but in an indirect sense.' (Shadow of Nabi)
1900: August 7th - an Imaam in his Jumuáh Khutbah called him a Nabi and Rasool.
1902: He declared: 'I am superior to all prophets including Muhammad'. 'One who does not believe in me is a Kaafir.' 'The QURAN and my words are from Allah.'
1904: He declared 'I am god and Lord also Krishna'
1908: Mirza was struck by Cholera and slipped into a comma on May 25 and died in the next day. He was buried at Qadiyaan.
at December 5, 2006 4:54 PM
"This whole Bush/Bush cabal MUST GO!!"
Sure, and who do you believe will take their place? Can the alternative be any better? I fear that it will actually be FAR worse!
at December 5, 2006 9:32 PM
Sure, and who do you believe will take their place? Can the alternative be any better? I fear that it will actually be FAR worse!
Posted by: yohannbiimu
Are you saying it' better we have Lucifer than Beelzebub? Maybe an end with Horrors is better than a Horror with no end!
Bush/Bush is NOT the answer!!! Wake up, sheeples!!!
***HELLO*** !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: germaninamerica at December 6, 2006 1:59 AM
Sure, and who do you believe will take their place? Can the alternative be any better? I fear that it will actually be FAR worse!
Posted by: yohannbiimu
Are you saying it' better we have Lucifer than Beelzebub? Maybe an end with Horrors is better than a Horror with no end!
Bush/Bush is NOT the answer!!! Wake up, sheeples!!!
***HELLO*** !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: germaninamerica at December 6, 2006 1:59 AM
Germaninamerica - yes, isn't it amazing about the number of New Yorkers for whom 9/11 is just a "bad memory"? One thing that sticks in my mind (I'm a New Yorker, and watched it all from Hoboken that day), is that the closer you got to Ground Zero that week (I got within 4 blocks of GZ before they tightened things up), the more you saw peace-symbol & "no war" banners hanging out of windows. I knew we were in trouble then.
On another topic, I wonder how how the Yugoslavian episode would have gone, if the blogosphere had been up and running then? Possibly quite differently...
Hey Naseems, what's with your fascination for "wild slutty womens"? You mention them so often...
Posted by: Vee at December 6, 2006 9:38 AM
'Education is the essence'.
How many times have we heard them tell us we need to learn about Islam? ALL THE TIME!
Why do they do that? Why are there so many little incidents which spur them on to tell us to learn about Islam?
Because they want us to get drawn in and woodwinked into believing Islam IS the religion of peace.
Dhimmmitude is what they want and asking us to learn about Islam is a sure fire way to get it.
Please read my blog.
Posted by: BritneyBritish at December 6, 2006 12:06 PM
Germaninamerica - yes, isn't it amazing about the number of New Yorkers for whom 9/11 is just a "bad memory"? One thing that sticks in my mind (I'm a New Yorker, and watched it all from Hoboken that day), is that the closer you got to Ground Zero that week (I got within 4 blocks of GZ before they tightened things up), the more you saw peace-symbol & "no war" banners hanging out of windows. I knew we were in trouble then.
Good to meet someone from the "neighborhood", Vee. Indeed seeing those rainbow flags and peace and No War banners right after 9/11 almost looked like they were waving the white flag. I had red white and blue when I moved on a rooftop soon after 9/11 and I got criticized by people coming up there for having the Star-Spangled on display. In fact I own a business and I put a HUGE flag in the window the first day the hardware store was open for business. I've had it in my home window too.
These peaceniks are demented!
On another topic, I wonder how how the Yugoslavian episode would have gone, if the blogosphere had been up and running then? Possibly quite differently...
I doubt it. Look how lame the guvment behaves re. immigration from terrorist countries. So i wouldn't hold my breath..
Hey Naseems, what's with your fascination for "wild slutty womens"? You mention them so often...
I am wondering the very same thing!! Nazeem.. care to share?
at December 6, 2006 8:08 PM
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