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An update on this story. "Hadd," according to the 1979 law, refers to punishments prescribed by the Qur'an or Sunnah. "Shujaat 'agrees' some women's bill clauses un-Islamic," from The Khaleej Times:
ISLAMABAD — Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain, president of the Pakistan Muslim League (PML), has agreed "to some extent" that some clauses of the Women's Protection Bill are "un-Islamic" and will meet religious scholars again on December 9 to discuss the issue, a senior cleric has claimed.
The Pakistan Muslim League was authorized by Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz to negotiate with clerics over possible changes to the bill, as described in the earlier story linked above.
Sixteen religious scholars met Shujaat on Sunday and told him that six clauses of the Women's Protection Bill, which the president recently signed into law, were against Islamic injunctions, Qari Hanif Jalandhry, leader of the Tehrik-e-Tahafuz-e-Hudood Allah, told reporters after the meeting. He said Shujaat "agreed to some extent that a few clauses in the bill were un-Islamic". The two sides decided to meet again in Karachi on December 9.
The clerics termed four main clauses as repugnant to the Holy Quran and Sunnah and called for their repeal. These include:
i) Exclusion of rape from Hadd;
ii) Powers extended to the provincial governments to reduce punishment in adultery or consensual sex cases under Clause 5 of Section 20 of the bill;
iii) Amendments to Qazf Ordinance regarding punishment for perjury and
iv) Another amendment in which if a woman voluntarily admits her offence she would remain exempted from Hadd.
The ulema said two other clauses in the bill could be used to protect adulterers because the prosecution would have to produce four witnesses in court at the time of lodging of a zina complaint, and zina (fornication) has been made a non-cognisable offence; and courts cannot award punishments in any other offence committed by the accused in case he or she is proved not guilty in a zina case. During the meeting, the government side proposed that the bill could be referred to the Federal Shariat Court for determination whether it violated Islamic injunctions. The ulema rejected the proposal and demanded the act be amended through parliament, Qari Hanif said.
Shujaat promised to brief President Pervez Musharraf about the reservations voiced by the delegation.
Posted by Marisol at December 5, 2006 2:06 AM
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given how these clericsare trying to get rape exclude in the women's protection bill I wonder of a them a younger man got away the rape of women because the other three witnesses were their buddies helping holdthe woman down these jerks need to get out of the 700ad eura and join the 22nd century
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at December 5, 2006 3:02 AM
Islamic law protects women - from safety.
Posted by: FreeSpeech at December 5, 2006 4:33 AM
Terrific- Pakistan was finally moving a little bit into the 21st century and now that progress is stopped dead in its tracks. It was just too good to be true.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 5, 2006 7:56 AM
Moslem Man should concentrate on how to make love to a woman and treat them well instead of all this control freak stuff.
* 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 *
Of course, to do that, Moslem Man must first renounce & denounce Mohammed, which wouldn't be a bad thing:
"O womenfolk, you should ask for forgiveness for I saw you in bulk amongst the dwellers of Hell." A wise lady said: Why is it, Mohammed, that women comprise the bulk of the inhabitants of Hell? Mohammed observed: "You curse too much and are ungrateful to your spouses. You lack common sense, fail in religion and rob the wisdom of the wise." Upon this the woman remarked: What is wrong with our common sense? Mohammed replied, "Your lack of common sense can be determined from the fact that the evidence of two women is equal to one man. That is a proof."
--- Muslim Book 1 Number 142
You wanna know what is wrong with commond sense? Referring to a Moslem cleric as a scholar.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at December 5, 2006 9:41 AM
Alarmed Pig Farmer-
The Muslim Man's Burden is simply to bring the truth of Islam to all us heathens even if it kills us all to accept it. They just want to save us with the words of wisdom that Mr. Perfect bestowed. They cannot be concerned with such trifling matters as sex when our souls are at stake. It's really for our own good that they do the things that they do.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 5, 2006 9:54 AM
Respond to this >>>>>
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2001320029-2006560304,00.html
C4's veiled Xmas message
Fine , so perhaps CH4 could make a detailed truthful documentary about how Islam was formed and about it`s founder Muhammad to educate the public who do not know the truth.
But they wouldn`t DARE therefor i would advise the public to find out for themselves.
at December 5, 2006 9:57 AM
Off topic news from down under:
'Jihad Jack' asks High Court to lift restrictions
Posted by: ummahnewslinks at December 5, 2006 10:07 AM
"Muslim boys urinated on Bible"
Thousands of angry Christians marched in the streets of cities around the world protesting the Bible desacration by several Muslim boys. Several people were killed in clashes and several Muslims were beheaded in retaliation. Christians were seen carrying signs saying "Behead those who insult The Pope" and "Behead those who desacrate the Holy Bible. The 3 Muslim children have gone into hiding as Christian activists demanded they be handed over for beheading.
(Sarcasm lever back to "off")
Posted by: Proud Infidel at December 5, 2006 10:20 AM
Proud Infidel-
Nice story. A pity it isn't true.
I guess that's what sets us apart from the crazies. We get disgusted but we don't behead. And yet there are those who think even THAT is too radical.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 5, 2006 10:37 AM
An interesting read...sex and sexuality in Islam by Abdul Kasem...here http://islam-watch.org/...
Posted by: duh_swami at December 5, 2006 10:48 AM
Keep leaning on Musharraf, President Bush... but please go beyond these cosmetic appearances of 'reform'.
It is working in the superficial, but we need it to work in the heart of the matter.
As my Indian colleagues say: "please do the needful".
Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at December 5, 2006 10:55 AM
The ulema said two other clauses in the bill could be used to protect adulterers because the prosecution would have to produce four witnesses in court at the time of lodging of a zina complaint
Is the so-called Ulema so ignorant that they do not know that Mohamed created the four witness rule primarily to protect women from false accusations?
The initial instance of this rule being applied was to protect his favourite child-bride Aisha from accusations of adultery.
Posted by: Shahryar at December 5, 2006 11:29 AM
Shahryar,
If Mohammed meant the four witness rule to protect women, then it would appear he was either a man of unrobust intellect who did not think things through or a poor communicator who failed to make his intentions explicit.
at December 5, 2006 3:54 PM
"Is the so-called Ulema so ignorant that they do not know that Mohamed created the four witness rule primarily to protect women from false accusations?
The initial instance of this rule being applied was to protect his favourite child-bride Aisha from accusations of adultery."
It's ironic that the same need for 4 male witnesses is now used to convict women of adultery who've been raped because they can't produce 4 male witnesses to confirm they were, indeed, raped. What a croc Islamic law is.
By the way, they have a picture over at thereligionofpeace.com showing Muslim women in Pakistan protesting against the new laws to benefit women there. Doesn't that take the cake?
I saw a Muslim woman at the supermarket today with the headscarf and the whole bit. I felt so sorry for her, being trapped in that stone age cult.
Posted by: Proud Infidel at December 5, 2006 3:54 PM
Excerpt from Coalition in Pakistani Nat'l Assembly threatens to resign over rape law reforms:
The "four witness" standard comes from the Qur'an itself, a revelation Muhammad announced in response to accusations of adultery leveled at his wife, Aisha: "Why did they not produce four witnesses? Since they produce not witnesses, they verily are liars in the sight of Allah." (24:13).Posted by: Shahryar
at December 6, 2006 3:19 AM
I wonder how many of the protesters in the Picture of the Week are men in disguise!
Posted by: Shahryar at December 6, 2006 3:24 AM
I wonder how many of the protesters in the Picture of the Week are men in disguise!
Posted by: Shahryar
With apologies to Monty Python,
OFFICIAL: Are there any women here today?
CROWD: No. No. No. No...
OFFICIAL: Very well. By virtue of the authority vested in me--
[CULPRIT WOMAN stones MATTHIAS]
MATTHIAS: Oww! Lay off! We haven't started yet!
OFFICIAL: Come on! Who threw that? Who threw that stone? Come on.
CROWD: She did! She did! He did! He! He. He. Him. Him. Him. Him. He did.
CULPRIT WOMAN: Sorry. I thought we'd started.
OFFICIAL: Go to the back.
CULPRIT WOMAN: Oh, dear.
OFFICIAL: Always one, isn't there? Now, where were we?
MATTHIAS: Look. I don't think it ought to be blasphemy, just saying 'Mohammed was a big girl's blouse'.
CROWD: Oooh! He said it again! Oooh!...
OFFICIAL: You're only making it worse for yourself!
MATTHIAS: Making it worse?! How could it be worse?! 'Mohammed was a big girl's blouse!','Mohammed was a big girl's blouse!','Mohammed was a big girl's blouse!'.
CROWD: Oooooh!...
OFFICIAL: I'm warning you. If you say 'Mohammed was a big girl's blouse' once more--
[MRS. A. stones OFFICIAL]
Right. Who threw that?
MATTHIAS: [laughing]
[silence]
OFFICIAL: Come on. Who threw that?
CROWD: She did! It was her! He! He. Him. Him. Him. Him. Him. Him.
OFFICIAL: Was it you?
MRS. A.: Yes.
OFFICIAL: Right!
MRS. A.: Well, you did say 'Mohammed was a big girl's blouse'.
CROWD: Ah! Ooooh!...
[CROWD stones MRS. A.]
OFFICIAL: Stop! Stop, will you?! Stop that! Stop it! Now, look! No one is to stone anyone until I blow this whistle! Do you understand?! Even, and
I want to make this absolutely clear, even if they do say 'Mohammed was a big girl's blouse'.
CROWD: Ooooooh!...
[CROWD stones OFFICIAL]
WOMAN #1: Good shot!
[clap clap clap]
at December 6, 2006 4:13 AM
For heavens sake! Why don't the women fight? They allow that treatment.
Posted by: practical witch at December 6, 2006 11:30 AM
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