"Mr Doutie, whose school receives about $3.9 million in state and federal government funding each year"

- from the article

Infidels continue to fund their own destuction.
It would be funny if it wasn't so serious.
Get a clue you multi-culti cultural relativists.
Look at a map of the world and contemplate how so much of it has become Islamic.
For the sake of your children at least, listen to some voices from the past :

Winston Churchill, who wrote in 1899,

“The religion of Islam above all others was founded upon the sword … Moreover it provides incentives to slaughter, and in three continents has produced fighting breeds of men – filled with a wild and merciless fanaticism”.

John Quincy Adams who wrote in 1829,

"The precept of the Koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God. The vanquished may purchase their lives, by the payment of tribute; the victorious may be appeased by a false and delusive promise of peace; and the faithful follower of the prophet, may submit to the imperious necessities of defeat: but the command to propagate the Moslem creed by the sword is always obligatory, when it can be made effective. The commands of the prophet may be performed alike, by fraud, or by force".

John Wesley (1703-91) who wrote,

"Ever since the religion of Islam appeared in the world, the espousers of it...have been as wolves and tigers to all other nations, rending and tearing all that fell into their merciless paws, and grinding them with their iron teeth; that numberless cities are raised from the foundation, and only their name remaining; that many countries, which were once as the garden of God, are now a desolate wilderness; and that so many once numerous and powerful nations are vanished from the earth! Such was, and is at this day, the rage, the fury, the revenge, of these destroyers of human kind".

Hilaire Belloc who wrote in 1938,

"Will not perhaps the temporal power of Islam return and with it the menace of an armed Mohammedan world, which will shake off the domination of Europeans -- still nominally Christian -- and reappear as the prime enemy of our civilization? The future always comes as a surprise, but political wisdom consists in attempting at least some partial judgment of what that surprise may be. And for my part I cannot but believe that a main unexpected thing of the future is the return of Islam".

Bishop Fulton J Sheen who wrote in 1950,

"Today (1950), the hatred of the Moslem countries against the West is becoming hatred against Christianity itself. Although the statesmen have not yet taken it into account, there is still grave danger that the temporal power of Islam may return and, with it, the menace that it may shake off a West which has ceased to be Christian, and affirm itself as a great anti-Christian world Power".

Patriarch Cyrus of Alexandria, while negotiating the surrender of Alexandria to the Muslims, 640 AD,

"I am afraid that God has sent these men to lay waste the world".

Gregory Palamus of Thessalonica, 1354,

"For these impious people, hated by God and infamous, boast of having got the better of the Romans by their love of God…they live by the bow, the sword and debauchery, finding pleasure in taking slaves, devoting themselves to murder, pillage, spoil…and not only do they commit these crimes, but even — what an aberration — they believe that God approves of them. This is what I think of them, now that I know precisely about their way of life.".

William Eaton, US Consul to Tunis, wrote in 1799,

"Considered as a nation, they are deplorably wretched, because they have no property in the soil to inspire an ambition to cultivate it. They are abject slaves to the despotism of their government, and they are humiliated by tyranny, the worst of all tyrannies, the despotism of priestcraft. They live in more solemn fear of the frowns of a bigot who has been dead and rotten above a thousand years, than of the living despot whose frown would cost them their lives…The ignorance, superstitious tradition and civil and religious tyranny, which depress the human mind here, exclude improvement of every kind…"

Posted by: Mike_W at December 6, 2006 1:03 AM

One should reflect that had it been a Koran that had suffered this treatment we would see a repeat of the "cartoon outrage" around the world.
So why is it that there will be no marches of outraged Christians thougout the western world?
Why is it that we will soon read articles by western Journalists excusing these acts as the "alienation of young Muslism by western society", as we have seen ad infinitum in the MSM over previous incidents?

Posted by: chevalier de st george at December 6, 2006 1:12 AM

Way to go muslim boys. You're champions now. Your devilish prophet muhammed would've been proud of you.

Posted by: EliasAlucard at December 6, 2006 1:48 AM

Print out those quotations offered in a posting above by Mike W. Print out, and make many copies. Save it as a document and email it. Put a copy on your refrigerator. Carry another few copies with you, for those casual conversations at the dry cleaners, the reference desk at the library, the food counter -- you never know whom you will meet and influence. Send it to your Congressmen and then call to make sure some kid in the office didn't just throw it out. Do these things.

Posted by: Hugh at December 6, 2006 2:06 AM

considering where the boys parents are fromis not surprising that they would pull this, unfortunately Islam from that area there parents are from unfortunately Is one of the more fundamentalist areas for Islam, and children that young would pick up their parents attitudes towards Christianity the problem is that Christians are not protesting where the Muslims would be rioting and killing is somebody did this to a Koran.

Posted by: islamakapigeaters at December 6, 2006 3:14 AM

Oh yes, on the news downunder:

They have already given it the
"tiny minority of extremists" spin! And of course they are just little kids.
Little kids that could grow up into dangerous jihadis - not mentioned

And they have said things to discredit/ confuse the credibility of the non-muslim teachers who signed the petition.

The MSM did manage to say the school was getting a few extremists.

Personally I am really ticked off that our hard-earned tax dollars go to schools like this.
I know the government funds other denominations to a degree, but this are not a legitimate religion so far as I can tell.

Posted by: Gramfan at December 6, 2006 3:39 AM

Print out those quotations offered in a posting above by Mike W. Print out, and make many copies. Save it as a document and email it. Put a copy on your refrigerator. Carry another few copies with you, for those casual conversations at the dry cleaners, the reference desk at the library, the food counter -- you never know whom you will meet and influence. Send it to your Congressmen and then call to make sure some kid in the office didn't just throw it out. Do these things.

Posted by: Hugh

Thanks Mike W.and Hugh
DONE and DONE!!

Posted by: Gramfan at December 6, 2006 3:42 AM

At least the Authorities did something about it.

In the UK they have just banned Christmas Deckies
and Office Parties - it appears that it is to avoid offending Muslims.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13555334,00.html

So much for respecting other peoples religious festivities.

Religion of Boos!!!

Posted by: raz at December 6, 2006 5:17 AM

Assalamau Laikum all,

There should be a number of questions asked here?

1) Why did the muslim boy do it?
2) What has the Kafur done in response (other than posting on JW).
3) Have any christian feelings been hurt?....doesn't look like it from the response.
4) Has your God Jesus been hurt? He became shaeed for your sins ...you keep saying...so what about a bit payback for his pains?

Why for example did you not look to see if the boy can be deported.

From an outside observation...tha Kafur has become toothless and christianinty has become an irrelevence....sure you can take the moral high ground...and die there too.

Posted by: Naseem at December 6, 2006 5:19 AM

Naseem,

the whole point really is not what anyone has done, but why those creeps did what they did.

You expect our respect for your holy books,,we expect the same. Fair is fair.
Oooooops. I forgot muslims don't play fair, do they? No,,they hide behind womenr and children. Slme balls to perfection!

Frankly I think we should all ignore you and perhaps you will go away.

Personally I think you are not just one person, but many. Your posts and style are inconsistent.
Some trolls use your name whenever it suits.Is that right?
Bye from me. You are not really there.

Posted by: Gramfan at December 6, 2006 6:50 AM

raz

I think that is appalling!
Have the Brits given up? Sounds like it.
I thought the UK was made of stronger stuff, but seems they are not.
And the rumours of the "islamic" Bonnie Prince Charlie look more and more plausible. What do you think?

Posted by: Gramfan at December 6, 2006 6:54 AM

QUITE POSSIBLY:

1)It is the behaviour the boy has been taught by his parents, his clerics, his relatives, his neighbors, and his QUR'AN gives specific instructions on dealing with non Muslims.

2)More importantly is what they do not do. The Kafur do not riot everywhere in the streets, they do not loot stores, burn tires in the street, smash windows, they do not make finger pointing hate filled speeches,and they do not seek out people to kill.

3) Sure Christian feeling are hurt, Unlike Muslims, Christians are taught to be forgiving, they are taught that love and compassion are far better that hate and violence. The Christians follow the Ten Commandments which are excellant rules to follow in your life.We have witnessed the Muslim reaction to a few QUR'AN mishandling incidents, most often violent and resulting in the deaths of innocent people. Islam is good at killing innocent people.

4) Sure God and Jesus have been offended, but Unlike Muslims and Islam, they do not preach revenge and hatred. They offer peace and harmony to those who obey God's law. They offer salvation to the downtrodden, the sick, the outcast, they offer hope to the poor and to all others. In todays world I see Muslims killing the teachers, the doctors, the judges, the farmers, the merchant men, the children, the women, policemen, and just recently Muslims killed the garbage men picking up the trash. In short I see Muslims and Islam as a killing machine willing to kill all to have anything to offer the world or who are not willing to submit.

The Kafur are certainly not toothless, they just take longer to act or to react. As each day passes Islam is pushing all who are not Muslim into confrontation. The Kafur will act soon. One has to wonder why anyone would want to be a Muslim. Rarely a day goes by that I do not read about the violence and mistreatment inflicted upon Muslims by Muslims. The Muslims treat each other far worse than any treatment received by Christians. Islam deals in fear, (fear is a Muslim weapon) and intimidation (used to keep the Muslims in line--Muslims have proven to Muslims that if you dare not to follow the instructions issued by the clerics, you will die, your wife will die, your children will die---they promise death and will keep their promise).

Rarely a day goes by that bodies are not found that have been bound, tortured, executed by Muslims (and the victims are generally other Muslims).One would have to think, the killers are following their religious instructions as dictated by the Islamic clerics.

There certainly are differences between Islam and the Kafur. I know which one I do not want to belong to.

Posted by: exsgtbrown at December 6, 2006 6:58 AM

"Mr Doutie, whose school receives about $3.9 million in state and federal government funding each year"

- from the article

Mike_W said:
Infidels continue to fund their own destuction.
It would be funny if it wasn't so serious.
Get a clue you multi-culti cultural relativists.

Pauline Hanson is considering a return to Federal politics; I suspect she will get quite a lot of support this time around, given her views on Islam:

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20882216-1702,00.html

Hanson targets Muslims, 'diseased' Africans
By Jessica Marszalek
December 06, 2006 05:32pm

[...]

But Ms Hanson said politicians had gone too far in
affording rights to minority groups and she was
angered at the loss of Australian traditions
because of Muslims.

"Our governments have bent over backwards to look
after them (Muslims) and their needs, and
regardless of what the Australian people think,"
she said.

"You can't have schools not sing Christmas carols
because it upsets others, you can't close swimming
baths because Muslim women want to swim in
private, that's not Australian.

"Surely can't we look at what's happened in other
countries around the world with the increase in
Muslims that are there?"

[...]

Posted by: Xaragma at December 6, 2006 7:28 AM

Two Sunday mornings ago, while on my 7am Dunkin Donuts run, I had the radio tuned to the classical music station. They usually broadcast the church services from the Episcopal Cathedral in Boston. Even though I'm not Epicapalean,I sometimes find the broadcast interesting so I listen occasionally. On this particualr day, I don't know who the presider was, but during his sermon, he told of an angry letter sent to him by one of his parishoners. The letter scolded him and the leaders of his parish (must have been from an astute Jihad Watch reader) for allowing space within the cathedral each week for local area muslims to conduct their prayers. Sadly, the priest defended his position under the guise of Christian compassion.

While compassion is good, someone should have told him that Jesus threw the money changers out of the temple.

It worries me that no matter how many vile and inhuman incidents of "muslims being muslims" that we see, there are so many people out there who casually disregard them as behavior not typical of the average muslim. My reply is always "Just wait..."

It is our duty to turn on as many people to the truth (Jihad Watch, etc.) as we can. Start with your family members and have them do likewise. Do not be embarrased or think that somehow you are being "racist." This is a political ideology that we are fighting and if we don't educate ourselves and band together, we will be divided and conquered.

Posted by: hassan_bin_sobar at December 6, 2006 7:39 AM

exsgtbrown
you are right, and look how many of their own they kill. I think this piece is worth keeping

http://chayyeisarah.blogspot.com/2006/09/greatest-deception-of-modern-times.html

Number of Arabs killed in the framework of Israeli-Arab conflicts since the creation of Israel (including in the 1948 war for Israel's independence, all the wars fought between Israel and its neighbors, and the occupation of Palestinians): 60,000.

Number of Algerian Muslims killed by the French in the 1950's Algerian war for Independence: Between 500,000 to 1 million.

Number of Muslims killed by other Muslims in the 1990's Algerian civil war: 100,000.

Number of people, including some Muslims, killed by Muslims in Sudan between 1955 and today: 2.6 million- 3 million.

Number of Muslims killed by the Soviets in Afghanistan in the 1980's: at least 1 million

Number of Muslims killed by other Muslims in the Afghan civil war of the 1980's-90's: 1 million

Number of Muslims killed by the Americans in efforts to overthrow the Taliban: less than 10,000.

Number of Muslims killed by other Muslims since 1977 in Somalia's civil war: Between 400,000- 550,000.

Number of Muslims in Bangladesh killed by other Muslims from Pakistan since 1977: 1.4 million-2 million

Number of Muslims killed by other Muslims in Indonesia since 1965: at least 400,000.

Number of Muslims in East Timor killed between 1975-1999 by Muslims from Indonesia: 100,000 - 200,000

Number of Muslims killed in Iraq by other Muslims (mostly those in the regime of Saddam Hussein): 1.54 million- 2 million

Number of Iranian Muslims killed in their war with Iraq: 450,000 - 970,000

Number of Lebanese killed by Israelis between 1975-1990: up to 18,000 (this number is included in the first statistic given several lines up, about Arab deaths at Israel's hands)

Number of Lebanese killed by other Lebanese or by Syrians between 1975-1990: at least 112,000.

Number of Yemenites, Egyptians, and Saudis killed in the Yemen civil war of 1962, and in the Yemen riots of 1984-1986: 100,000 - 150,000

Number of Chechen Muslims killed by the Russians since 1992: 80,000- 300,000

Number of Arabs and Muslims killed in Jordan (includes at least a few thousand Palestinians), Chad, Yugoslavia, Tajikistan, Syria, Iran, Turkey, and Zanzibar in the course of smaller conflicts in the 1970's, 80's, and 90's: at least 150,000.

Summary of the summary:

The next time Arabs and/or Muslims complain about the persecution they suffer at the hands of the Americans and Israelis, remember this . . .
Since 1948, the number of Muslims killed by the Americans and Israelis combined is still less than the number killed by the French. And the number of Muslims killed by the French, Israelis, and Americans combined is still less than the number killed by the Soviets/Russians. And the number of Muslims killed by the Soviets, Russians, French, Israelis, and Americans, combined, is still about 1/3 of the number of Muslims who have been killed by Muslim states.

I don't mean to minimize anyone's suffering, and as an Israeli I'm interested in continuing to pressure Israel to keep Arab casualties at a minimum while still protecting Israelis. But if the goal is to save lives, then to focus one's pressure on the deeds or misdeeds of Israel is to apply an incredible, ridiculous double standard, one clearly motivated by anti-Semitism and nothing more. If the goal is to spare Muslim lives, then the Muslims could start with themselves, and come back to us when they value each other.

Posted by: Gramfan at December 6, 2006 7:51 AM

"Pauline Hanson is considering a return to Federal politics"

- quoted from article posted by Xaragma

Oh no.
Pauline Hanson should just stay out of politics permanently.

For years she was warning that Australians in the future will all having slanty eyes - we'll be swamped by asians, etc.
She is racist and does immense harm to the efforts of raising public awareness about the danger of Islam.

If Hanson speaks out against Islam, Australians will write off those fears as racist hate mongering.
She should just shut the hell up.

Posted by: Mike_W at December 6, 2006 7:57 AM

"Mr Doutie said the school had tried to contact the parents of the expelled boys to find out why they had desecrated the Bible. But he said the school had not received a response."

Quite frequently the Arab News has articles about particularly egregious conduct from young Saudi males - sexual assault recorded and circulated on cell phones for example. Always, there are cries of shock and dismay: "But where did they learn such conduct?".

Children learn by example. They learned this at home from dear old Dad.

Posted by: jay at December 6, 2006 8:01 AM

Naseem said:

4) Has your God Jesus been hurt? He became shaeed for your sins ...you keep saying...so what about a bit payback for his pains?

The Lord himself has answered your question:

Romans 12:19-21

Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave itto
the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is
mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” 20 To the
contrary, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he
is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so
doing you will heap burning coals on his head.” 21
Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with
good.

Posted by: Xaragma at December 6, 2006 8:03 AM

The assassinations of intellectuals and foreigners in Egypt or Algeria, the numerous death sentences against writers-all stem from practices once believed to have faded into the past. http://www.digitalnpq.org/archive/2002_winter/charfi.html

My job occasionally includes work in Central American rain forests, where I tag along with small-framed Amerindians. I’m 6’3” and can tell you without a doubt that if I had to compete for survival in a rain forest environment, I would end up on a stick for dinner. (As an aside, every Amerindian I have met is a good-natured Roman Catholic).

The Qu’ran shapes human evolution like the rain forest and has been doing so for seventy generations.

One of these days, thought Winston with deep sudden conviction, Syme will be vaporized. He is too intelligent. He sees too clearly and speaks too plainly. The Party does not like such people. One day he will disappear.

Posted by: limes at December 6, 2006 8:05 AM

"If Hanson speaks out against Islam, Australians will write off those fears as racist hate mongering.
She should just shut the hell up.

Posted by: Mike_W"

Mike_W
Back then Pauline Hanson was wrong. And she picked the wrong ethnic group.

I don't think she was entirely wrong re indigenous Aussies. I know that many live a wretched life, but money has been thrown at them forever and not much has changed.I am sypathetic to them. I am not a racist.
She really meant we should all be more equal,just MHO.Maybe I am naive?

However, if she goes after muslims I think she will get a lot of support this time.

Posted by: Gramfan at December 6, 2006 8:06 AM

Mike_W said:
"If Hanson speaks out against Islam, Australians
will write off those fears as racist hate mongering.
She should just shut the hell up."

PW is certainly racist, but a decade on, I feel she has tested the water - her announcement came as a surprise to me - and she may influence the Howard government to rethink immigration / multiculturalism, and concentrate on Australia as a coherent society, rather than an economy.

Replacing Amanda Vanstone as Immigration Minister
should be a good start.

Posted by: Xaragma at December 6, 2006 8:12 AM

Did the punks give any reason for doing this? What's "uncovered meat" holy man saying about this? So many questions-so few answers.

Oh well, it's nice to see that diversity isn't just for the West anymore- these fine lads came from all over cesspoolia. Isn't it nice how Mo's wonderful philosophy has brought such diverse people together so that they can work so well together? Illah must surely be pleased.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 6, 2006 8:12 AM

Gramfan said:
"However, if she goes after muslims I think she will
get a lot of support this time."

Snap! :)

Posted by: Xaragma at December 6, 2006 8:14 AM

Preaching hatred and genocide of Christians and blacks is every bit as racist as preaching hatred and genocide of jews. Muslims are the most racist people on earth at this time.

Posted by: moderationist at December 6, 2006 8:18 AM

Gramfan said:
"However, if she goes after muslims I think she will
get a lot of support this time."

Snap! :)

Posted by: Xaragma

I'm sure she will.

The thing is though, she was so relentlessly pilloried by the media, the vast majority of the Australian public have been pretty much conditioned into a knee jerk reflex reaction to everything she says - ie. if Pauline Hanson says it, it must be hateful and it must be racist.

Even though she might be right this time around (which I'm doubtful of), a huge number of Australians will be willfully deaf to everything she has to say.
She will do harm to the issue of raising awareness of the danger of Islam.

Posted by: Mike_W at December 6, 2006 8:31 AM

Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to
the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is
mine, I will repay, says the Lord.”
To the contrary, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he
is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so
doing you will heap burning coals on his head.”
Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with
good.
Posted by: Xaragma

While theoretically I believe this, maybe it's time for some "outraged Christians" to fight back !

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at December 6, 2006 8:34 AM

This is excellent news. Incidents like this really help to poison the atmosphere in Australia. It is much more conducive to generating fear and loathing in non-muslims than any terrorist action. For a terrorist action will always be explained by the leftist mentality as being an expression of resentment over issues in the middle east, as 9/11 was explained by some, and even defended by others, Ward Churchill, the radical leftist professor, comes to mind.

But when boys, in a muslim school at that, desecrate a Bible, there is no connection to any moral relativist-style excuse. It is clear it was sheer, violent, anti-Christian sentiment that caused them to do this, and better yet, one that is logically associated with their education. The left can not come up with a political excuse for this. It stands naked, on its own.

A small incident like this can be a big eye opener for all those uneducated about jihad in Australia, which is most of them. Fantastic news.

Posted by: August22 at December 6, 2006 8:35 AM

First they urinated on the Bible and then tried to set it on fire? I hope never to go camping with these guys.

Seriously, I applaud the Muslims who are trying to teach the kids that this is not acceptable. Look at all the voices and influences they have to fight against.

Also, despite those who sneer at the vox populi around here, I find it quite interesting to hear from folks around the world. Thanks to all.

Posted by: AnneCrockett at December 6, 2006 8:39 AM

Personally I think you are not just one person, but many. Your posts and style are inconsistent.
Posted by: Gramfan at December 6, 2006 06:50 AM

It's as if the Koran itself were posting.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 6, 2006 8:39 AM

Mike_W;

Thanks for those quotes. Some of the greatest minds of our civilization have shared their views on Islam - we can't say we haven't been warned !

Pity our political leaders never took these warnings seriously.

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at December 6, 2006 9:05 AM

Mike_W said:
Even though she might be right this time around
(which I'm doubtful of), a huge number of
Australians will be willfully deaf to everything
she has to say.
She will do harm to the issue of raising awareness of the danger of Islam.

You may well be right, but I am hoping that she
will act as a catalyst for change in both the
Coalition and Labour - Kevin Rudd appears willing
to tackle militant Islamis head on, and I will
support him in that - I am seriously considering
joining the ALP, if it does genuinely value social
cohesion above political correctness and economy.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/rudd-has-got-to-live-up-to-his-words/2006/12/05/1165080941257.html

Rudd has got to live up to his words
By John Roskam
December 6, 2006

Labor MPs got more than they bargained for when they chose Kevin Rudd as their leader.
[...]

Rudd would be the first person to realise that he
is heading a Labor Party, some of whose members
are profoundly uneasy about the notion that anyone
can achieve the sort of moral clarity reached by
Bonhoeffer. As a Christian, Rudd would also know
that there would be few members of any Christian
denomination in Australia who would unambiguously
condone assassination.

But moral clarity is exactly what will be required
in the coming decades as Australia and other
liberal democracies fight a war against radical
Islam. It is a war that could last a generation.

[...]

Rudd is brave enough to confront those who believe
that the challenge to liberal democracy can be
solved through discussion. As he wrote two months
ago "of discomfort to certain elements of the far
left would be the truthful conclusion that there
is a fundamental problem within militant Islamism,
which values violent jihad in its own right and is
not amenable to engagement, dialogue or
persuasion".

Posted by: Xaragma at December 6, 2006 9:12 AM

Schoolboys told of 'evil' Aussies

Ummah News Links

Posted by: ummahnewslinks at December 6, 2006 9:27 AM

I wish that some of my surfing Brahs would do the same thing to the koran in a very public manner and say this is just OUR way of seething. It would be fun to see how the MSM would print this.

C'mon shredders, this could be a real hoot!

Posted by: ShortBoard Surfer at December 6, 2006 9:37 AM

naseem,

Our favourite Troll is back and spewing her contempt for everything infidel.

naseem the Troll asks, "Has any Christians feelings been hurt?"

Yes, troll, I am deeply offended; however, I am going to act in a civilized manner. I will not run to the nearest embassy and set it on fire. I will not kidnap and rape a Muslim women. I will not hold protests and demand concessions or a chunk of Jewish land in Israel. I will not shoot an Italian Nun in the back. Do you understand the difference troll?

Does everyone see the psychology of naseem the troll? All she understands is violence and its means to extract concessions. In Naseem's warped Islamic view, unless we react violently, we haven't been offended. I suppose this exemplifies the lack of civility between Muslims and the rest of the world.

naseem, you do not understand us at all. We do not expel our anger as a relexive action. We are absorbing all of these atrocities perpetrated against us. It isn't unhealthy to keep it in but, rest assured, one day we will blow. It may take a WMD attack against a westernj city but we will blow. Then we are gonna let out all of this pent up anger we have been storing and i am afraid Lahore will not be spared and neither will the rest of the Islamic hellhole.

So, yes, we are offended and it is being catalogued in our memory banks along with the 1400 years of trespasses against us.

Posted by: Sir Oinks Alot at December 6, 2006 10:03 AM

Piers Akerman in the Daily Telegraph
pretty well nails it:

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,20881929-5001031,00.html

Fools push limits of tolerance
By Piers Akerman

December 07, 2006 12:00

SOME Australian Muslims are in a tizz over a
glass of fizz sipped last Thursday by NSW Young
Australian of the Year, Iktimal Hage-Ali.

But there's no indication similar numbers are
angered by the news two Muslims students urinated
and spat on a Bible before setting it on fire.

[... ...]

The hateful response to a perfectly acceptable
young Australian woman enjoying herself, while the
lack of any measurable response to a disgusting
act of desecration perpetrated upon a holy book
other than the Koran illustrates the very real
problems that exist for young Muslims keen to
become members of the broader Australian community
first, and subservient to religious extremists
second.

[... ...]

While Melbourne's East Preston Islamic College did
move to immediately expel the students responsible
for desecrating the Bible - showing more fortitude
than the NSW RSL - what needs to be explained is
the motivation which drove these young people to
act in such a reprehensible fashion?

This sort of anti-Christian, anti-Western
behaviour doesn't occur in a vacuum. Someone
indoctrinated these pupils and that person must be
found and publicly called to account.

Tolerance comes naturally, intolerance is taught.

The world knows that, had the Koran been attacked
in an Islamic country by non-Muslims, the
so-called Arab street would be in an uproar,
again.

Churches would have been burnt, lives would have
been lost.

[... ...]

Posted by: Xaragma at December 6, 2006 10:12 AM

Naseem - listen to the pig. He's right. The western polity has a breaking point. We don't know what it is because we've tried to suppress violent reaction in our societies since it is counter-productive and since we have better ways to deal with things.

Sir Oinks Alot is correct. After some jihadi action the line will be crossed ( + ) and the hammer is going to come down on you. You should know this by now, I've said it to you directly at least two or three times in the past.

One day the loan is going to come due and the islamic world will pay with interest... especially with interest.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at December 6, 2006 10:16 AM

When it comes to how Muslims offended vs. how Jews/Christians respone to how they are offended is that the former responds in a close if not really violent, in close to a childish manner, whereby the latter responds in a much more mature, adult matter, such as writing letters/e-mails of complaint, making phone calls, brining it up on talk radio shows, and talking to the offending party directly.

As far as Christianity is concern, it is very much alive and active today because Jesus is very much alive and active in the believer's hearts.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at December 6, 2006 10:20 AM

More news from Australia:

Muslim woman leader's champagne toast triggers a storm in Australia

Ummah News Links

Posted by: ummahnewslinks at December 6, 2006 10:29 AM

I find myself kind of on the both sides of this issue. If we would not support suspension of a western teenager for desecrating the quran on their own time, why should we support this expulsion?

Posted by: Tushar Saxena at December 6, 2006 10:32 AM

Naseem, I also agree with Sir Oinks Alot.

You ask "What has the Kafur done about it?" PCness has forced us to repress our hatred for jihadism, but belive me, it's there. You don't see it, because all you see and hear are our politicians, college professors, and news readers.

I work, surf and drink with average Amerians, who are afraid to express their real feeling about Islam, because they may get fired or feel other repercussions on their life. We don't go out and burn some cars and then feel better. We push our feelings down. SOA is right when he says that all it will take is another "event" like 9/11 for all this to blow, but it will someday. We are an armed and angry people. If I were a muslim in America, I think I would leave in the very near future for my family's safety. You're jumping the gun and pushin too fast; you don't have the numbers yet.

Posted by: ShortBoard Surfer at December 6, 2006 10:39 AM

Who is it that's been running around Sydney lately, beating random people to death?

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,20883016-2,00.html?from=public_rss

Posted by: ElderlyZionist at December 6, 2006 10:39 AM

I'm forming the opinion that concepts like 'sovereignity of nation states' and 'stability' in the third world are no longer valid in the face of jihadism.

Sovereignity and stability were useful tools during the Cold War. They are still useful for the bloc-voting Islamic states but are actually counterproductive.

Cases in point: North Korea... why should this place have sovereignity? Is stability a good thing? The answer is no. Stability allows the continuation of Kim Jong Il and his works. He will supply some mo-foes with nukes to buy black market iPods and the like.

We need a slum clearing project for the entire world. Start here: North Korea, Pakistan and Syria...

If that's too scarey... then take out Syria and Pakistan at least. Put the fear into shitheads like Kim Jong Il.

I think we should have a tête - à - tête with Kim Jong.... I think he and Bush should go into a room and Bush should stand over him and tell him he'll kick his ass if he doesn't come around. Then give a set of instructions and a timeline.

Then actually start taking these regimes out!

Forget about a nation-building 'contract' with the various peoples.

We need to do this: identify those nations who support terrorism and illegal arms proliferation in a public list.

Give them a period of time to make verifiable changes or reparations in various ways.

Take out the regimes that fail to meet the new standards of behavior. Stability for tyrants and dictators is no longer desirable.

Destroy the dictatorial infrastructure and the means of those nations to launch attacks on other nations: military, 'educational' (maddrassas), financial, industrial (if linked to miliarism or jihad), communications and media outlets of the state...

Then leave. Let further efforts of those nations go into rebuilding their own infrastructure. No help should be given ( financial, technical or other )

Remove all foreign aid to suspect nations until such proof comes that the nations are no longer supporting militarism and jihad.

Identify, set expectations, remove regimes, destroy offensive infrastructure and leave.

Repeat until things change demonstrably - in actions, not words.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at December 6, 2006 10:43 AM

Assalamau Laikum all,

Personally I think you are not just one person, but many. Your posts and style are inconsistent.

Posted by: Gramfan at December 6, 2006 06:50 AM

I don't understand why you keep peddling this rubbish...so much suspicison...why? Can you not understand how difficult life could become for me with the authorities. I am me Naseem only.

In truth, if my style changes then it is because I am at times drawn to christianity ...and then I right myself back to Islam, this cycle is quite heart-wrenching.

You say "Frankly I hope you will go away".

Posted by: Gramfan at December 6, 2006 06:50 AM

Gramfan, I simply cannot go away, consider:

1) The oil is about to run out
2) Many Islamic countries are aquiring the nucleur bomb.
3) Israel has been under the greatest pressure ever.
4) The ME is in turmoil.
5) Perhaps the greatest change will be the Islamic empire ruling globally. Kafur empires have been for short periods, Islam will be for ever...your great granddaughters will know no other god than almighty Allah SWT.

Gramfan things are coming to a head...and judgement day will be with us in less than half a century...this will result in global Islam....no question there!

I hope to be right here to see it through to that time, advising the kafur on the best course of action and the best branch of Islam to follow (Ahmadi), how to dress, new rules to follow etc. etc.

For me this dawa is essential to ultimately join Anwer and serve our foundiner of Ahmaddiya who is with Allah SWT ...and we hope to be too.

Please bear with me until that time...listen to my advice , study Islam ...and convert when convenient....your life in the here-after depends on it ....now that's forever ...so DON'T leave it too late.

Posted by: Naseem at December 6, 2006 10:44 AM

@ Mike W
Thanks for all the quotes, I had not seen many of these before.

Posted by: CaptainGrevious at December 6, 2006 10:51 AM

To Gramfan,( to the rest of you this is off topic)

The problem with Britain is that those in a position of power always seem to kowtow to Muslims.
I think it may have something to do with Saudi Money.

I know this from personal experience as I worked for a manager that started to over employ Muslims.
They were then given special privileges such as 9 weeks holiday when everyone else got just 4.
Social events were changed to avoid “exclusion” so there was no alcohol and the food served had to be halal.
Anyone who complained was branded a racist. While those in charge patted themselves on the back for developing a
fully integrated and diversified company.

You see HRH Charles probably is not a convert to Islam given previous rumours about his butler.
However what he is, is a politically correct multiculturalists and Britain is full of elitist people like him.
Of Course we refer to them as Dhimmis. Try a search for Dhimmi on the BBC Web site.
I think I have made my point!!!

Posted by: raz at December 6, 2006 11:10 AM

It's just a book - with paper. I'm not going to get upset about it - although we've been conditioned to. Just like the flag is just a piece of cloth, a material thing. The most important thing is the ideal - the spiritual ideal that is in my Mind and Soul. THAT is important.

Posted by: allat at December 6, 2006 11:25 AM

Naseem,

Islam has continued as long as it has for three reasons: lack of a substitute (since all other systems must be eliminated) ... fear of hellfire and the appeal to force as 'holy' ( holy jihad & holy hate).

Allah is 'the monster in the closet' that Mohammed used to scare people into doing what he wanted. When that scare attempt wouldn't work Mohammed would attack opponents (Meccans) or have his followers kill them at night while they nursed children at their breasts. ( Asma bint Marwa )

Let me ask you this one question: if you were safe enough to leave Islam and not be killed would you do it? Do you really think leaving would bring you eternal torture from Allah? If you think that Allah needs your slavery so bad that he would torture you forever if you leave him... ask yourself this other question. Why would an all powerful, eternal being, in charge of everything ... why would such a spirit need you to babble on and on in his praise and why would he want you to FEAR him? If such a infinite being exists, why do you think what you and I do or don't do makes one tiny bit of difference to him...? We are nothing to allah if he's real.... why would he care if Naseem stops caring about Allah in the Islamic year 1426? Why would he go to the trouble of torturing you ( Nassem) forever if you decide to stop praying and bowing down out of fear?

Why does allah have the need to force every person in this world ( which in itself is just a tiny speck in a tiny corner of the physical universe -- just a tiny part of the seen & unseen reality of the eternal God )? All of us together -- the sum total of humanity -- is so insignificant if you look at infinity.

Now if you ask yourself those two questions... ask yourself this one more... who needed people to bow down and submit to his will? Could it be just another small and insignificant human (Mohammed) needed obedience; not God?
Mohammed needed to use violence and coercion to get his way, not God. God would never need to force anything if he's truly 1) eternal, 2) infinite, 3) above all things and times and 4) outside of all things and time itself. God doesn't need our submission. Mohammed needed the submission of the desert people in the Islamic year 0 so Mohammed could get the praise he so desperately wanted. Mohammed needed the submission to get his 1/5 of the raid booty, since he would never fight for it himself. Mohammed needed submission so he could get all the sex he wanted ...

Mohammed the insignificant man needed submission. A real god would never need Submission from things like you and me. We're not important enough to threaten to a real god... why would god need it so badly? Think about it.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at December 6, 2006 11:31 AM

naseem the troll says, "...judgement day will be with us in less than half a century...this will result in global Islam...study Islam ...and convert..."

Yes troll, we've read the koran and that is why we meet here (and take note that i refuse to capitalize the "k" in koran). We will not surrender to Allah. Ever.

You are a fine muslim though. You offer us an opportunity to convert and then also tell us that global Islamic war is coming. So, when we refuse conversion and then won't pay jizya (foreign aid), you will seek Allah's help to wage war upon us.

To the letter, you are a fine Muslim following the teachings of the Prophet.

One more question for you troll:

Allah says that apostates must be offered an invitation to return to Islam. If they decline, kill them. How then, is this not conversion by the sword? If the person returns to Islam under threat of death, they were converted by the sword and the threat of violence?

Well troll, we're waiting. Give us some of that taqiyaa.

Posted by: Sir Oinks Alot at December 6, 2006 11:32 AM

To Allat:

It is more than paper and the flag is not just cloth. It is representation and embodiment of ideals. Their desecration of these ideals exemplifies their intentions toward the ideals cherish and worship...flag, book or other...take your pick.

Posted by: Sir Oinks Alot at December 6, 2006 11:36 AM

This is my first post, I'll make it simple and short.
If you irritate Christians they will most likely withdraw.
If your irritation rises to the point of inciting wrath, ALLAH CANNOT SAVE YOU.
No one knows where this point is, if you cross it you'll know.
Mississippi Combat Robotics. Go Fast/Hit Stuff.

Posted by: cozmo1950 at December 6, 2006 11:36 AM

naseem! Light of my life!

What about the goats? You still haven’t explained the correct Islamic procedure for screwing goats in Europe!

Posted by: Fred at December 6, 2006 11:37 AM

Islam has continued as long as it has for three reasons: lack of a substitute (since all other systems must be eliminated) ... fear of hellfire and the appeal to force as 'holy' ( holy jihad & holy hate).

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at December 6, 2006 11:31 AM

I have one other reason why Islam keeps on going-Western stupidity. The West needs to quit saving those losers from themselves. If the West would have left Islam alone it would be on its last legs by now if not already in its grave.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 6, 2006 11:57 AM

I know you're out there Naseem... do you have the courage to answer my Questions about how you see the nature of God?

You don't usually reply to me ... please do it now. I see some hope in your attendance on this site and the hint that 'Christianity sometimes appeals to you'

i'm not trying to convert you.. I just want to start your mental revolution, my good lady.

believe in anything beside the allah of Qur'an or nothing at all... doesn't matter to me.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at December 6, 2006 12:08 PM

From the C4 news forum in UK

http://community.channel4.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/503603557/m/3520037386

A few threads on fighting the good fight (for example)

http://community.channel4.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/503603557/m/6160047386

Anyone else wishing to lend a hand over there would be appreciated, plenty of the fuzzy left and a few out and out haters of the West in general and America in particular on there and a few more voices of sanity gently making the necessary points wouldnt go amiss.

Step One is to educate people about (what) Islam (is about) - MSM will not do it.

Posted by: g hadi hater at December 6, 2006 12:32 PM

Check out this further update of the story.
It is also good to note at the very end another Muslim clerics "excuse" that these actions are reactions to Western foreign policy and abuse at Gitmo.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20885234-2702,00.html

Posted by: Briars at December 6, 2006 1:10 PM

Here is the comment for those who don't wish to read the whole article:

Yasser Solimon, a former head of the Islamic Council of Victoria, said his community was shocked by the desecration, which should be seen as "the actions of stupid boys rather than any reflection on the school or the wider community".

"I think this needs to be seen in the context of five years of certain types of reporting on global events like the war on terror, what is happening in Iraq, attacks on the Koran by some soldiers in Guantanamo Bay and the Abu Ghraib prison scandal," he said. "It is sad to see the hatreds of one generation being passed on - we need leadership here to stand up collectively to this."

Posted by: Briars at December 6, 2006 1:15 PM

In truth, if my style changes then it is because I am at times drawn to christianity ...and then I right myself back to Islam, this cycle is quite heart-wrenching.

On this, I think we can agree, Naseem. It has been heart-wrenching watching you vacillate on this, because this is not a trifling matter, nor an open ended opportunity.

As I've shown you before,

"Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your heart"
"I tell you, now is the time of God's favor, now is the day of salvation."

Back on topic, it is a defect of the Islamic world view to think that because we do not react as you do, that we are weaker or have a worse destiny. You are following how your leader dealt with conflict, we try to follow ours. Your way is animalistic reflexivity, immature lashing out. You think that is better?

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at December 6, 2006 1:29 PM

Why for example did you not look to see if the boy can be deported.

From an outside observation...tha Kafur has become toothless and christianinty has become an irrelevence....sure you can take the moral high ground...and die there too.
Posted by: Naseem [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 6, 2006 05:19 AM

From a Christian perspective this incident allows us to look down on Muslims and see in them barbarians.

Why do we need to cut off their testicles, we can simply look on and laugh at their puny efforts to defile The Almighty - for in denying The Lord God they are preparing themselves for Him to deny them.

We are superior in all respects - we bring primitives into advanced civilisations and then we observe how they behave like monkeys in the zoo. Throughout the world eyebrows are raised, but then they are probably behaving just as they were taught - they are the sweepings of the gutter

Posted by: Voyager at December 6, 2006 1:31 PM

But I thought the muslims said that 'Jesus is another prophet of Allah' and 'the Bible is a Holy Book too'.

Who ever was inciting the hatred in these kids, and who ever brought the Bible along in the first place had these intentions.

Posted by: alaskan1000 at December 6, 2006 1:39 PM

About Naseem:

To me as an Indian the worst disaster in my history is the Islamic invasion of India.

Pakistan was born not in 1947, but when the first conversion occurred when the Arabs - Iraqis to be precise - invaded Sindh - the Hindu convert, acting as an interpreter for the Arab armies, told the Sindhi king who demanded why he had changed loyalties:
"My God is now Allah and my nation is now the Muslim Ummah"

Al-Beruni, an Arab historian of the time writes:

"at the utmost they (referring to the Hindus he had studied and interacted with) fight with words, but they will never stake their soul or body or their property on religious controversy." He also noted that the "Hindus have cultivated numerous branches of science and have boundless literature...". He was particularly impressed by the numerous step-wells he had seen in the country, and wrote: "In this they have attained to a very degree of art, so that our people (the Muslims), when they see them, wonder at them, and are unable to describe them, much less to construct anything like them."

'Never stake their soul or body or property on religious controversy!' What a contrast to today - Indians and Pakistanis, one people and one nation - irreconcilably and permanently divided.
They spend their money on weapons to upstage each other in the arms race when they collectively have the largest number of poor on earth.

THE ONE AND ONLY CAUSE OF ALL THE EVIL, MURDER, DESTRUCTION AND DIVISION IN SOUTH ASIA IS OF COURSE YOU KNOW WHAT.

Hindu hate is essential to a Pakistani - for THERE IS NO OTHER REASON FOR PAKISTAN TO EXIST!

That hate(in Pakistan) far exceeds the hate even for the Crusaders and Zionists.

"The convert's deepest impulse is the denial of his origins" - V.S. NAIPAUL

Posted by: chinubhai86 at December 6, 2006 1:45 PM

The problem with Britain is that those in a position of power always seem to kowtow to Muslims.

You are right in part about Saudi baksheesh...........but also you must remember the political elite ignores religion..........despises religion.

In Europe the political class imbued Socialism instead of Christianity preferring earthly power............because they decided Economic Man was more important than Religious Man they swallowed Marxist analysis.................

So they just looked down on Islam as some relic of primitives imported into the West who would evolve and Islam would become as carelessly observed as they took Christianity.

So it moved from an attitude of ignoring Islam as primitive to tolerating it in the hope it would go away - and since the political class did not care about Christianity themselves they just gave way because it was easy.

They did not realise they were fusing a Muslim Identity with their primitives which was starting to anger the majority population and the majority started defending their Christian heritage against the Invader.

Thus the political class ended up stranded as the tide went out in both directions

Posted by: Voyager at December 6, 2006 1:48 PM

aid that 'Jesus is another prophet of Allah' and

WRONG

Not JESUS but some character called Isa who has nothing to do with a Jew born in Judea in the Royal Line of David and descended from Boaz and Ruth.

Don't confuse Allah and The God of The Jews...........and never confuse Isa with Jesus, for Jesus was The Son of god, was crucified and rose on the third day.................Isa did none of this. Isa was fiction.

Posted by: Voyager at December 6, 2006 1:50 PM

With regard to the boys, who would have expected anything better from them, given what they are taught?

Europe, Australia and other nations experiencing heavy Muslim immigration should know what to expect. Ignorance is dangerous.

There must be NO place for "Islamic schools" or anything of that sort. Western politicians must be educated about this and must take decisive action.

If 'mainstream' politicians fail to rise to the challenge of combating this, we face the other danger of having our 'mainstream' battle appropriated by Neo-Nazis, and we here will find it even harder to win the war - for we will have to put up a disclaimer - 'I'm not a Neo-nazi' everytime we try to fight this!

Posted by: chinubhai86 at December 6, 2006 2:05 PM

For me this dawa is essential to ultimately join Anwer and serve our foundiner of Ahmaddiya who is with Allah SWT ...and we hope to be too.

Mirza Ghulum Ahmad was a crazed lunatic, a liar, a polytheist and denied so much of Islam that all of his followers are considered heretics. They will be the first to be executed by Islamists - no jizya and dhimmitude for them. Heretics, not a "People of the Book".

Please bear with me until that time...listen to my advice , study Islam ...and convert when convenient....your life in the here-after depends on it ....now that's forever ...so DON'T leave it too late.

My life here is not that important. I'll gladly die before converting. My only hope is I die well, in a manner worthy of my saviour. You go have a Pepsi-cola and think about that.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at December 6, 2006 2:19 PM

Oh, and by the way Naseem, if men get 72 virgins in paradise, and most of those in hell are women (according to Mohammad), and women who die become those virgins, how does the math on that work out?

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at December 6, 2006 2:21 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wiltshire/6208012.stm

Three men were attacked by a group of males outside Swindon railway station in the early hours of Sunday.
A spokesman for Wiltshire Police said the attackers, who were of Asian appearance, attacked the men for no apparent reason.
One man suffered a fractured cheek bone in the attack while the others had cuts and bruises.
The attackers were all dressed in causal clothes. One had a black jacket and another wore a hood, police said.
There were about 10 of them.

Posted by: EnglishBlondie at December 6, 2006 2:40 PM

Sir Oinks: That's just what I said.

HOWEVER, surely, you're not going to get upset or hv high anxiety over bible or flag burning - are you? It's done to get a reaction out of peopl. I, myself, hv more wisdom about it. Fight for the ideal, NOT for material things burning.

Posted by: allat at December 6, 2006 2:50 PM

It all comes down to the fact that Christians are not idol worshipers.
Jesus is the Living Word, and his words and commands are written on our hearts. It is an enraging thing to see muslims desecrating our scripture, but we will not twist off and riot all over the world, like some who follow idols (muhammad and the qur'an).

Posted by: Carolyn2 at December 6, 2006 3:13 PM

"1) Why did the muslim boy do it?"

years and years of mental deficiency, your son must know something about it

"2) What has the Kafur done in response (other than posting on JW)."

If I had been around those "kids", beat the shit out of them for sure

"3) Have any christian feelings been hurt?....doesn't look like it from the response."

no but it adds precious pure hatred against you and your likes. That's enough.

Posted by: StillFedUp at December 6, 2006 3:47 PM

"I don't understand why you keep peddling this rubbish...so much suspicison...why?"

you know cow troll, we cannot believe that so much stupidity can be in just one person. What can we do?

"2) Many Islamic countries are aquiring the nucleur bomb. "

brainless muslim , don't you think that with new born nuke sites it will be easier for the kafur to carpet bomb and doing the worst damage possible?

Cannot wait to see how the big crater will look in lahore, maybe it will become a nice lake.

Posted by: StillFedUp at December 6, 2006 4:00 PM

Allat...i do see your point but there are fundamentlaists (religious and ntionalists) who will disagree as is their right. If i saw someone about to burn the Canadian or American flag or any religious paraphenilia, i would do my utmost to stop them.

To Everyone at JW/DW:

Why do we allow naseem the Troll to hijack these posts? She is either unwilling or unable to refute any critical thoughts about Islamic ideology. She posts and runs like a terrorist coward.

Posted by: Sir Oinks Alot at December 6, 2006 4:05 PM

"Why do we allow naseem the Troll to hijack these posts? She is either unwilling or unable to refute any critical thoughts about Islamic ideology. She posts and runs like a terrorist coward."

don't know, ask to the owners.

She's not better than other people that have been banned. She has already become predictable and boring.

We need new trolls to exercise our debate.

Posted by: StillFedUp at December 6, 2006 4:27 PM

This case merely confirms the Idolatry of Islam and how the Quran is exalted as if to be a entity living inside the paper and ink, Christians know that the NIV teachings are from only BOOKS, they know that God doesn't live inside
the cement and brick of a Church .

But Muslims have rioted over a Quran or Mosque being treated with little respect for Allah .

NewsFlash to Muslims:

IT'S ONLY A BOOK
IT'S ONLY A BUILDING

This idolatry may explain why people like Dougie Hooper from CAIR displays a very little
bit of God in his Heart and yet is quick to anger when inanimate objects within Islam are perceived to be desacrated , and I can assure Hooper that every Church has fire insurance as part of the Mortgage contract because they are buildings in the eyes of the Fire Department which relies on water to put out the fire, and not Allah as it appears Muslims feel will protect the Mosque because he's inside the cement or steel beams.

Posted by: ala-sux at December 6, 2006 4:30 PM

An update on the story. Videos of radical cleric in the school library. Yep, my tax dollars at work.

Posted by: saint at December 6, 2006 5:24 PM

Ah Naseem, as an Australian Christian let me give you some answers.

We like our Aussie Muslims. Some of them though are rather immature and irrational - bit like you really. Because you see, peeing on a book is immature and irrational. Even a two year old child understands that.

Now that a couple of the boys have been expelled from school, they will have to go to kafur schools. They may even have to go to a Christian school or else move somewhere else.

Who needs to do anything? Thanks to their teachers and parents who taught them to pee on a book, thinking that that would make people go rioting and killing like Muslims do, the boys have brought their own punishment upon themselves.

Now these Muslim boys will have to sit, be taught, learn, eat, play and mix with even more and more kafurs! And if you knew us Aussies, you would also know that within minutes of the news being published, the boys, their families and their school have already become the butt of a million jokes. Even better, with the internet, it's not just all of Australia, but also half the world that now knows that Muslims can't even properly toilet train their children. They pee on a book!!!!

What a wonderful advertisement for Islam, don't you think?

Love and hugs Naseem. Don't forget to take your medication.

Posted by: saint at December 6, 2006 6:01 PM

And to Mike_W's quotes, may I also add:

"In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar [i.e., Muhammad], the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth. Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE (Adams's capital letters)… Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. The war is yet flagrant… While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and goodwill towards men." -John Quincy Adams

"The Muslim religion is so unreformed since it was created that nowhere in the Muslim world has there been any real advance in science, or art or literature, or technology in the last 500 years" - Lord Tebbit

"The true Islamic concept of peace goes something like this: "Peace comes through submission to Muhammad and his concept of Allah" (i.e. Islam). As such the Islamic concept of peace, meaning making the whole world Muslim, is actually a mandate for war. It was inevitable and unavoidable that the conflict would eventually reach our borders, and so it has." – Vernon Richards

“Islam was not a torch, as has been claimed, but an extinguisher. Conceived in a barbarous brain for the use of a barbarous people, it was - and it remains - incapable of adapting itself to civilization. Wherever it has dominated, it has broken the impulse towards progress and checked the evolution of society.” – Andre Servier, 1922

“The Greeks who triumphed at Marathon and Salamis did a work without which the world would have been deprived of the social value of Plato and Aristotle, of Aeschylus, Herodotus, and Thucydides. The civilization of Europe, America, and Australia exists today at all only because of the victories of civilized man over the enemies of civilization, because the victories stretching through the centuries from the days of Miltiades and Themistocles to those of Charles Martel in the eighth century and those of John Sobieski in the seventeenth century.”

“During the thousand years that included the careers of the Frankish soldier and the Polish king, the Christians of Asia and Africa proved unable to wage successful war with the Moslem conquerors; and in consequence Christianity practically vanished from the two continents; and today nobody can find in them any "social values" whatever, in the sense in which we use the words, so far as the sphere of Mohammedan influence. There are such "social values" today in Europe, America, and Australia only because during those thousand years the Christians of Europe possessed the warlike power to do what the Christians of Asia and Africa had failed to do - that is, to beat back the Moslem invader.” – Theodore Roosevelt

"Of course, there are distinguished precedents even for the bleakest and coarsest of these judgements. To Montesquieu in 1748, Islam’s ‘destructive spirit’ spoke ‘only by the sword’; to Schopenhauer in 1819, the Koran was a ‘wretched book’ in which he had ‘not been able to discover one single idea of value’; to De Tocqueville in 1843, Islam was ‘deadly’, ‘to be feared’ and a ‘form of decadence’". – David Selbourne – The Losing Battle with Islam

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at December 6, 2006 6:06 PM

And how about this quote from Ayatollah Khomeini from 1942:

“Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled and incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world. But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world…. Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers]? Islam says: Kill them [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. Does this mean sitting back until [non-Muslims] overcome us? Islam says: Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! Does this mean that we should surrender to the enemy? Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Koranic] verses and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.” - Ayatollah Khomeini

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at December 6, 2006 6:09 PM

Thank you for those quotes Spirit Of 1683.

I have cut-and-pasted them to my existing list of notable Islamic quotables - which I might add were mostly collected from this site as opportunity arose ;).

Posted by: Mike_W at December 6, 2006 7:39 PM

"Muslim boys urinated on Bible," by Cameron Stewart for News.com.au:

TWO Muslim students have been expelled from an Islamic school in Melbourne for urinating and spitting on a Bible and setting it on fire.

*Excuse* me, but shouldn't they have been expelled from the country that this school is in??!!! Parents and the rest of their family included. Obviously they HAD to learn this at home!

I guarantee you this crap will stop when they see we are serious about defending ourselves.

Posted by: germaninamerica at December 6, 2006 8:17 PM

GREAT POST of quotes earlier on, Mike W!!

here's one I'd like to add for inspiration. We all duly need it!

"Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing... [open door No.2*] after they have exhausted all other possibilities."

-- Winston Churchill

Posted by: germaninamerica at December 6, 2006 8:23 PM

Assalamau Laikum all,

There should be a number of questions asked here?

1) Why did the muslim boy do it?
2) What has the Kafur done in response (other than posting on JW).
3) Have any christian feelings been hurt?....doesn't look like it from the response.
4) Has your God Jesus been hurt? He became shaeed for your sins ...you keep saying...so what about a bit payback for his pains?

Why for example did you not look to see if the boy can be deported.

From an outside observation...tha Kafur has become toothless and christianinty has become an irrelevence....sure you can take the moral high ground...and die there too.

Posted by: Naseem

Let me answer your questions one by one, Nazeem. hehe.

1) They did it because they are moslems. This is what moslems do. They acted according to their innermost nature. I am not one bit surprised. I expect such behavior from moslems.

2) WHO is the Kufar here in particular? Just whomever you see on JW? I don't think we'd be telling *you* about what we have done. Even all someone did is slash some tires and grafitti up a mosk. Anything is a good start. The enemy feels too comfortable among us. Wie die Made im Speck - like the maggot inside the bacon.

3) I am NOT a Christian, child. I am not sure my feelings have been hurt. After all this is what I expect from moslems. This is what your kind do. Have been doing since thay pedophile first slaughtered the Jews of Mecca. By the way, I demand reparations for them and the Right of Return!

4) He hasn't been hurt ONE BIT. He knows that this is opening the eyes of more and increasingly greater numbers of people. One day soon, babe, you will see what happens when the straw breaks the camel's back. :-)

I LIVE FOR THAT DAY THAT HAPPENS!!! I'd have to be a liar if I said I am looking for a peaceful resolution. Too late for that.

Posted by: germaninamerica at December 6, 2006 8:46 PM

Personally I am really ticked off that our hard-earned tax dollars go to schools like this.
I know the government funds other denominations to a degree, but this are not a legitimate religion so far as I can tell.

Posted by: Gramfan

Personally I'd LOVE to think that a few Aussie boys would drive up to that "school" at night and release a few hungry crocs around the perimiter :-) Do it during mating season of whenever the crocs tend to be at their most aggressive. Then let nature take its course. moslems being moslems and crocs being crocs. CRUNCH!

Posted by: germaninamerica at December 6, 2006 8:50 PM

Thanks for those quotes. Some of the greatest minds of our civilization have shared their views on Islam - we can't say we haven't been warned !

Pity our political leaders never took these warnings seriously.

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi

Everyone knows they don't read the Classics. Too busy looking in the mirror and the teleprompter. Too busy watching Oparah and [yechhh] Rosie.. So no, they have NOT been warned. They are so isolated they don't even know there are people like us "out there". Their flunkies and flappers make sure that their contact with "the public" is limited to monied lobbyists.

Posted by: germaninamerica at December 6, 2006 8:53 PM

It was not their fault. I posted this on doctor bulldogs site earlier but this is the jest of it:
STUDENTS at the Islamic school from which two boys were expelled for desecrating the Bible were shown videos of a banned cleric calling Australian Christians “evil” and non-Muslim schools “sewers”. Teachers at East Preston Islamic College say students have also been seen downloading and copying material from a website that attacks the Bible as promoting “vicious criminal acts”.

So see? How could they not act out, they are victims of the man.

Posted by: Ronin at December 6, 2006 8:55 PM

I can't help but think that all our posts here smack of "ditto"ism.

Just out of curiosity, how many of my fellow Americans have put their concerns in writing and mailed them to their elected representatives? I know I haven't and, feeling as I do, I can't think of one good reason to forgive myself.

We can rant here all we like, but until we start rattling cages in Washington, nothing is going to change.

Suggestion: Let's all send snail mail letters to Keith Ellison asking where he stands on Shariah vs. the Constitution.

Let's quit ranting. "Let's roll."

Posted by: USBeast at December 6, 2006 9:17 PM

We can rant here all we like, but until we start rattling cages in Washington, nothing is going to change.

Suggestion: Let's all send snail mail letters to Keith Ellison asking where he stands on Shariah vs. the Constitution.

Let's quit ranting. "Let's roll."

Posted by: USBeast

The problem with that is.. they NEVER answer. All they do is send you back a form letter. They even use the same one interchangeably!

Posted by: germaninamerica at December 6, 2006 10:15 PM

"I think this needs to be seen in the context of five years of certain types of reporting on global events like the war on terror, what is happening in Iraq, attacks on the Koran by some soldiers in Guantanamo Bay and the Abu Ghraib prison scandal," he said. "It is sad to see the hatreds of one generation being passed on - we need leadership here to stand up collectively to this."

Posted by: Briars

Relativism and more tu quoque - ONCE AGAIN and isn't it predictable??!!!

Posted by: germaninamerica at December 6, 2006 10:17 PM

“Vengeance is
mine, I will repay, says the Lord.”
To the contrary, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he
is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so
doing you will heap burning coals on his head.”
Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with
good.
Posted by: Xaragma

I interpret this to mean: "Slip some poison in his food and drink."

Posted by: germaninamerica at December 6, 2006 10:19 PM

I work, surf and drink with average Amerians, who are afraid to express their real feeling about Islam, because they may get fired or feel other repercussions on their life. We don't go out and burn some cars and then feel better. We push our feelings down. SOA is right when he says that all it will take is another "event" like 9/11 for all this to blow, but it will someday. We are an armed and angry people. If I were a muslim in America, I think I would leave in the very near future for my family's safety. You're jumping the gun and pushin too fast; you don't have the numbers yet.

Posted by: ShortBoard Surfer

That's right.. if they were smart they'd let the multiculturalists and our greedy money-hungry politicians do the dirty work for them. As they still do, of course. But it is their arrogance.. their certainty that we are already defeated and that they will take everything from us in due time.. that is what has given many around me pause to consider my words when i speak of islam. And there are many others in the same situation. Every attack, every provocation merely serves to wake up a few more heads. The listeners become speakers to even greater numbers of listeners.. and so on.. and all of us are getting very close to becoming doers.

Posted by: germaninamerica at December 6, 2006 10:28 PM

Oh, and by the way Naseem, if men get 72 virgins in paradise, and most of those in hell are women (according to Mohammad), and women who die become those virgins, how does the math on that work out?

Posted by: Concerned Citizen

I think Nazeem will be glad to take all those left-out "slutty womens".. :-) How bout that, Nazeem?! Tell us more, why dontcha?

Posted by: germaninamerica at December 6, 2006 10:31 PM

Xaragma: I saw Kevin Rudd attend a Christian Lobby conference where Daniel Scot was present. Kevin Rudd (ALP)was present with Bronwyn Bishop(Lib), and a few National Party reps (who have since lost office).

Daniel Scot stood up and and asked why, when he fled Pakistan from Islamic persecution, is he now being persecuted under Victorian Law in Australia. He said he always believed that Australia had Freedom of Speech.

Bronwyn Bishop said she knew full well about Scots plight; and that she supported him 100% and would do all to support him.

The two National Party members (from Northern NSW and QLD) said they were unaware, but based on what they heard, they said it was disgusting (the legal action the Muslims took against him).

Kevin Rudd, a senior member of the ALP; and media tart to boot; said he knew NOTHING ABOUT DANIEL SCOT. He finished at that point and sat down. He did not publically condem the action against Daniel Scot that is stifling free speech for evangelical/biblical Christians only, in Victoria.

He may be a "Christian"; but he is in a Party that wants to legalise Gay Marraige; Gay Adoption; keep tax payer dollars funding Abortion; etc etc etc. Hardly Christian causes. If anything he is a "nominal" Christian; or a "liberal" Christian. A Christian in name only. We are yet to see any real action on his part.(granted he did vote against embryonic research - so who knows?). He is happy not to mix his religion/beliefs with politics; but he is happy for the atheists/pagans in his Party to mix their beliefs with politics.

Rudd will do what he has to do to get ALP votes. That includes the Muslim vote. So he will say what he has to say.

When Steve Bracks of the ALP won the last Victorian State election; the same Bracks who introduced the vilification laws; did you see the footage of the Muslims in the background jumping for joy as he claimed vitory?

The ALP needs the Muslim vote far more than the conservative parties. Rudd will do he can to get it. You can bet on it.

Posted by: 3rdtimelucky at December 6, 2006 10:35 PM

USBeast says, "I can't help but think that all our posts here smack of "ditto"ism."

I am in Canada and I write all the time. I write my Premier, i write my MP, i write newspapers. I educate myself and others.

You are correct, there is no good reason for not writing. It is an imperative.

I am writing my Minister of Justice asking him to explain how Islam does not contravene our Hate Speech laws.

Keep on writing. You wanna roll? It has to Start with you!

Posted by: Sir Oinks Alot at December 6, 2006 10:38 PM

"Rudd will do what he has to do to get ALP votes. That includes the Muslim vote. So he will say what he has to say.

When Steve Bracks of the ALP won the last Victorian State election; the same Bracks who introduced the vilification laws; did you see the footage of the Muslims in the background jumping for joy as he claimed vitory?

The ALP needs the Muslim vote far more than the conservative parties. Rudd will do he can to get it. You can bet on it. "

Posted by: 3rdtimelucky

I agree with you. You are spot on here. This is why voting Labor is difficult for me especialy since 9/11.
(BTW do you know if that Labor candidate from Syria won in Melb's western suburbs? I have seen nothing about it.)

And to those who want to "roll". Just do it!
I email mambers of parliament and post on local news sites whenever I can. Maybe you think you are achieving nothing, but you never know.
I know,,,via a few degrees of separation,,,someone close to the Prime Minister. I was told he reads all his emails while in the car. I am talking about Australia, but I am sure if we all did this and all politicians got a HUGE lot of mail,they would start to listen, or at least worry about being re-elected!

Posted by: Gramfan at December 6, 2006 11:35 PM

Huge fuss about abusing the Bible, but the real problem is the hatred & misbehaviour towards the non-Muslim teachers at that school. What's the principal doing abo