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It's a pity that everyone seems to assume that the host country has to alter its national character to accommodate immigrants, rather than asking the immigrants to adapt to its national character. "Less Christianity, more Islam and Hinduism, schools ordered," from the Daily Mail, with thanks to Twostellas:
A new religious syllabus for schools has caused a fury among church groups and politicians after recommending teachers cut down on education about Christianity while increasing lessons in Islam and Hinduism.Teachers in Buckinghamshire were directed to spend 40 per cent of religious education on Christianity, while giving Islam and Hinduism equal play at 20 per cent each.
Just ten percent was then to be devoted to other religions - including Judaism - with a final ten per cent on "general concepts".
It was recommended that younger children receive just 36 hours per year of religious education, with that number upped to 45 in the lead up to the GCSEs.
However when the lack of time devoted to Christianity sparked protests, Buckinghamshire education authorities reportedly removed those numbers from official documents....
The council also insisted Christianity remained the focus of the syllabus, and insisted the new policies provided flexibility for the schools and promoted goodwill, seeking to inform rather than influence children.
However critics reportedly insisted the nation's religion was being turned in to a sideshow in the name of political correctness.
Posted by Robert at December 6, 2006 3:17 PM
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Yes, create more mindless zombies. It's bad enough kids are indoctrinated with PC. Now they are to be exposed to the glory that is Islam-a glory that seeks to enslave and destroy us all. No wonder Western birthrates decline-who'd want their kids to learn this treasonous crap?
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at December 6, 2006 3:27 PM
As a Hindu I strongly dissaprove of this development -and I would even if it was to be only Hinduism supplanting Christianity, and not Hinduism and Islam.
Firstly because the UK and the USA are Christian nations and have every right to confine the religious syllabus only to Christianity if they so wish.
Secondly because I would hate to see the Hindu community, the most successful immigrant community in the UK, to become bracketed with Muslims for becoming part of the beneficiaries of the suicidal multiculturalist policies, rendering them more vulnerable to racist attacks from NeoNazis.
It is the right of the host nation to demand of immigrants that they assimilate by adopting the ethos of the host. Sadly the West seems to sacrifice this important principle at the altar of political correctness.
at December 6, 2006 3:36 PM
To do otherwise would be clearly racist.
Posted by: counterjihadi at December 6, 2006 4:01 PM
Why don't they just take the Bible out and pee on it instead?
Oh, wait...
Posted by: Jan III Sobieski at December 6, 2006 4:06 PM
tipical pc corectness gone mad it is disgusting howpeople who are politically correct will use the schools and children knowing just how vunrable young children are to having their lifelong opinions formed by what they are taught in school i.e. that Islam is better than Christianityfor a Christian nation to do this is disgusting these PC thugs are using children and brainwashing themto advance their multicultural agenda, this is as bad as what the gay rights agenda tried in the public schools here in British Columbia in the late 1990s trying to get the idea that itwas better to be gay than straight
Posted by: islamakapigeaters at December 6, 2006 4:20 PM
Hindus in the Uk or elsewhere have never made claims for any special rights or treatment.
Disticnt from Islam and other Abrahimic religions, Hinduism is pluralist, adaptive and least fundamentalist of the other major religions.
India has given birth to Hinduism, Jainism and Buddhism and latterly to Sikhism. All these religions are based on philosophies, rooted in tolerance and peace. India is the only (large)country that has never invaded another nation in over 10,000 years. Conversely, it has been invaded by hordes upon hordes of foreigners - each wanting to convert the Indians.
In the UK, the only reason why Hindus are tagged along with muslims is due to the shared geographic origins of these migrant groups.
Apart from that, Hinduism and islam are poles apart - neither one wants anything to do with the other.
Posted by: Hermit at December 6, 2006 4:31 PM
Contrast THAT with the curriculum in "palestine", SOWdi Arabia, Pakiland and all over the islam-infested countries worldwide. Contrast THAT with the schoolgirl beheadings in Indonesia and contrast THAT with schools being set on fire and the teachers lynched and murdered by islamic mobs in Indonesia!
Are we still sending foreign aid to these places? All they need to do is start getting to work instead of committing their islamic atrocities.. We need to withdraw any form of support from them.
That means no more immigration and no more foreign aid. Let them go hungry and they have to figure things out for themselves for a change!!
Posted by: germaninamerica at December 6, 2006 4:50 PM
Secondly because I would hate to see the Hindu community, the most successful immigrant community in the UK, to become bracketed with Muslims for becoming part of the beneficiaries of the suicidal multiculturalist policies, rendering them more vulnerable to racist attacks from NeoNazis.
It is the right of the host nation to demand of immigrants that they assimilate by adopting the ethos of the host. Sadly the West seems to sacrifice this important principle at the altar of political correctness.
Posted by: chinubhai86
Too bad these stupid NeoNazis are just as counter-productive as are the Lefty PC-hordes!! What they SHOULD be doing is to join up with the Hindus and anyone who opposes islam and/or has been victimised by it.
Hindus have a long and great History of Resistance and there is much that we Europeans and Americans can learn.
We need to BAND together and shew them our numbers!
We need them to know they cannot back us into a dark corner and mug us quietly - one by one.
By the way. has the [f]lying imams incident on USAIR had much publicity outside the USA?
Posted by: germaninamerica at December 6, 2006 4:54 PM
are they going to teach the truth about islam in schools that muhammed married a 6 yr old and how the koran says to kill the infidels? maybe its not such a bad idea to teach more islam as long as they teach the truth about islam and the violence and not some bullshit how islam is peaceful
Posted by: Greek Gurl at December 6, 2006 5:01 PM
I agree with Chinubhai above for precisely the reasons he has listed. Why is it necessary for British Hindus to learn about Hinduism in school, when it's not even taught in school in India? (In India, most kids learn the Ramayana and Mahabharata outside school, in their off hours: typically, it takes the form of story telling, public plays and other such events.) And if most Indian Hindus don't go through school reading the Vedas and Puranas, is there any reason why their British counterparts should be doing it in the UK? And while at it, a while back, the British government sponsored the establishment of a Hindu school somewhere. One wonders - why?
If the Brits were the converting types, they would have tried to do in India what their Muslim predecessors attempted. They didn't. Nor is there any danger that British Hindus going to school would be converted to the Anglican church. So why don't British Hindus support attempts at having a uniform syllabus excluding either all non Anglican religions, or all religions, and thereby denying Muslims the right (by association) of having segregationist schools of their own? In the process, also avoid any perception of being on a similar POV as Muslims - nothing could be more damaging not only from a moral standpoint, but from a PR standpoint as well.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at December 6, 2006 5:06 PM
are they going to teach the truth about islam in schools that muhammed married a 6 yr old and how the koran says to kill the infidels? maybe its not such a bad idea to teach more islam as long as they teach the truth about islam and the violence and not some bullshit how islam is peaceful
Posted by: Greek Gurl
As much as I agree that's what should be on the curriculum re. pigslam - it is not very likely to happen. The teachers will be feeding themselves and their students a bunch of islamoganda while going on about the "evils of Christianity".
at December 6, 2006 5:08 PM
Great job England. Keep it up and you might become islamic before this century ends. Hell, that was a generous estimation. I think 5 years from now will suffice.
And those PC morons say Mark Steyn is wrong.
Posted by: EliasAlucard at December 6, 2006 5:14 PM
At thier best...iality.
http://my.break.com/media/view.aspx?ContentID=139745
Posted by: aladdinsane57 at December 6, 2006 5:23 PM
are they going to teach the truth about islam in schools that muhammed married a 6 yr old and how the koran says to kill the infidels? maybe its not such a bad idea to teach more islam as long as they teach the truth about islam and the violence and not some bullshit how islam is peaceful
Posted by: Greek Gurl at December 6, 2006 05:01 PM
Well get a good printer/photocopier and educate the school kids yourself !
Posted by: aladdinsane57 at December 6, 2006 5:32 PM
I'd rather see Judaism increased over Islam any day of the week. (I'm not Jewish)
As a general comment though England is gone. C.S. Lewis, Chesterton, Belloc, and T.S. Elliot are probably singing lamentations in Heaven right now.
Rest in Peace (Fair England) England has gone from Henry the VIIIth to Islamic lunancy.
Posted by: Monkeywho at December 6, 2006 6:26 PM
this is the kind of pc crap we have to put up with everyday here.the problem is that most of our leaders are atheist who dont believe in religion and those that do are too shy to make christianitys voice louder.thats why im voting bnp from now on.they are the only real alternative.
Posted by: world4christ at December 6, 2006 6:28 PM
quote from monkeywho :rest in peace england england has gone from henry the 8th to islamic lunacy. Monkeywho while i agree with the fact that our leaders are too shy to speak out.i disagree with the notion england rest in peace.this doesnt make england islamized.i have it when foreigners say absolute non sense about my country without being here to see for themselves.next time you wish to criticize england make a short trip here see peoples reactions before posting what is not true on this site.
Posted by: world4christ at December 6, 2006 6:35 PM
The problem in England, just as anywhere else, is ignorance about Islam combined with successful Muslim efforts to fool people about its nature. Last night I heard an admittedly not very bright BBC radio presenter comparing the increasing wearing of the hijab in Egypt to the way that once upon a time a gentleman would never go out without putting on a hat. He also quoted, approvingly, an Egyptian who had said the colourful headscarves of the women were one of the beauties of his country. I sent a message to the programme saying he had succeeded in nauseating at least one listener, but there is not a lot you can do in the face of such attitudes.
Still, you can fool all the people some of the time and you can fool some of the people all of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time, as Lincoln said, if not necessarily in that order.
Posted by: wallyUK at December 6, 2006 7:34 PM
wallyUK - You did the right thing. Imagine what the BEEB would do if there were 1,000,000 wallUK's who took the time to protest? If we are silent, the BEEB and it's ilk will claim victory by default. Each protest gives someone else the courage to speak up against multicutural nonsense. Challenge them and mock them. We will win as we have truth and reason on our side, but we must speak up.
Posted by: MP at December 6, 2006 7:41 PM
More from the UK:
Parents 'overwhelmingly back' school nativity plays
Posted by: ummahnewslinks at December 6, 2006 7:55 PM
1) Religion is important to me, therefore I would not want my child to learn about it in a public shcool. I wouldn't want my own religion or another played out throught the teachers prejudices.
2) I don't think of the UK or US as Christian nations. In face the term Christian nation is an oxymoron considering the separation of Christ and Caesar/church and state.
Posted by: Papa Bear at December 6, 2006 8:44 PM
Be careful what you wish for.
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at December 6, 2006 9:08 PM
quote from monkeywho :rest in peace england england has gone from henry the 8th to islamic lunacy. Monkeywho while i agree with the fact that our leaders are too shy to speak out.i disagree with the notion england rest in peace.this doesnt make england islamized.i have it when foreigners say absolute non sense about my country without being here to see for themselves.next time you wish to criticize england make a short trip here see peoples reactions before posting what is not true on this site.
Posted by: world4christ at December 6, 2006 06:35 PM
I wouldn't take such comments as an attack on England- these people are appalled FOR you, not at you. I live in the Caliphate of Minnesota and we've been taking a little beating over electing a Muslim congressman and having 6 "holy men" act like idiots at the airport. I know these posters are just venting over these things when they blast this state. I don't take it personally. I guess it's a good thing they do make such comments-it shows they care. That's more than can be said for most politicians.
at December 6, 2006 10:04 PM
Everyone must accomodate the "poor Muslim," you know...they are so put down, hated, and repressed by the evil white Christians, that we MUST make concession and exceptions for them!
(sarcasm off)
Posted by: yohannbiimu at December 6, 2006 10:06 PM
"Contrast THAT with the curriculum in "palestine", SOWdi Arabia, Pakiland and all over the islam-infested countries worldwide. Contrast THAT with the schoolgirl beheadings in Indonesia and contrast THAT with schools being set on fire and the teachers lynched and murdered by islamic mobs in Indonesia!"
Yup! Other religious teachings aren't even tolerated by our "peaceful Islamic friends." Indeed, Islam is an education for the death of humanity.
Posted by: yohannbiimu at December 6, 2006 10:10 PM
The soldiers soldier finally tells it how it is:
"General Sir Mike Jackson said that British troops suffer from bad pay and bad living conditions."
Here! here! Sir Mike. About bloody time somebody shouted up for the lads. it's just a shame he has to retire before he can say his piece.
The MOD promised £3000 bonuses for the marines and then withdrew it and claimed it was a mistake.
How many sodding marines would they have to of paid for gods sake.
When your government pays more to traffic wardens than it does to its soldiers, then you know your politicians should be burned at the stake if they float.
Posted by: Mert at December 6, 2006 10:26 PM
Religion is all about faith, and faith has nothing to do with facts or science.. point is that religion should not be taught, discussed or brought into public schools or the public millieu.
Just like the non ending hullabaloo over Ten Commandments, God we trust, Under God, Nativity scenes in the public domain.. bad move, to legitimize one god and religion means that you must legitimize and respect all gods and religions..
Muslims have as much right to demand a Koran in the County Courthouse or Oaths with "allah" as Christians and Jews do their favorite subjects, same goes for Hindus, Buddhists, and all other religions including Scientology.
Keep all religions out of schools and the public domain.. and you solve the problem.
Ain't going to happen, because of a fallacy in the human psyche which goes "me good" all others bad, "me truth" "you false", my team v your team, my way or the hiway.. and everybody apparently (or most of the semisentient critters called hoomons) think and act that way.
Is there intelligent life on earth? Perhaps but it is in very short supply, won't be found hanging around water coolers, political parties or "places of worship".
Posted by: Nariz at December 6, 2006 10:30 PM
i disagree with the notion england rest in peace.this doesnt make england islamized.i have it when foreigners say absolute non sense about my country without being here to see for themselves.next time you wish to criticize england make a short trip here see peoples reactions before posting what is not true on this site.
Posted by: world4christ
We'd LOVE to see some reactions - not only in Merry Ol'!!!!
Posted by: germaninamerica at December 6, 2006 10:34 PM
When your government pays more to traffic wardens than it does to its soldiers, then you know your politicians should be burned at the stake if they float.
Posted by: Mert
The money paid to the traffic wardens might well prove worth it some day.. when all of England and Europe go mau-mau on these creeps. The wardens will have their hands full throwing the unsuspecting on-the-bible-pissing "youtes" under tha bus!!!!
Posted by: germaninamerica at December 6, 2006 10:37 PM
The worst thing of all about all this indoctrination of America's youth vis-a-vis Islam is that our young are NOT being told the truth about Islam.
In short, our educational system is being used to MIS-EDUCATE CHILDREN ABOUT ISLAM.
Anyone who does not know that Islam teaches murder and For instance, Pakistan is not a blood-drenched Islamic hellhole because it slid off the tracks somehow, it is a bloody Islamic hellhole because that is the point of Islam--to make human life subordinate to the ideology taught by the Kuran which commands the slaughter of those who do not submit to the ways of allah completely. It is too bad that we cannot take our students on "field trips" to Pakistan not of course that it is too expensive to do so but because of course they would not be able to come back (they'd be slaughtered as "indfidels").
The libs are telling lies to our kids about the nature of Islam. They are omitting the facts that Islam is a totalitarian system that has institutionalized FIRST DEGREE MURDER!!!!!
Our kids have been taught to think that Islam is benign!!!!!!!! Now, tell me, how horriffic is that????????????????
at December 6, 2006 11:31 PM
This has nothing to do with islam, but it's enough to send shivers down your spine-------
http://www.newswithviews.com:80/DeWeese/tom70.htm
at December 6, 2006 11:51 PM
The politicians and the media elites in the west know their own populations are slowly growing old and dying,while the muslim communities are thriving...so they are placing their bets on the party they think will soon take over,the musslims.
Posted by: adela at December 7, 2006 12:50 AM
Hindus have a long and great History of Resistance and there is much that we Europeans and Americans can learn.
Posted by: germaninamerica
Whatever the historical reasons may be, even if it is India's huge population India is the one nation that took it all and still remained majority Nonmuslim. Syria was the first to fall to the devilish cult - Babylon fell, so did Egypt, North africa, Persia, Central and Southeast Asia - and the Western(Pakistan) and Eastern(Bangladesh) borders of India - but India itself survived one thousand two hundred years of ceaseless and barbaric assault.
I personally believe I owe the fact that I am here today as a Hindu and not a Muslim to the Rajputs, the Sikhs and the Marathas - who held their own against the Islamic monster.
Posted by: chinubhai86 at December 7, 2006 1:49 AM
Re: " However when the lack of time devoted to Christianity sparked protests, Buckinghamshire education authorities reportedly removed those numbers from official documents...."
The west needs more vocal Christian protesters who are unyielding to political correctness and secularism.
Pump up the volume! Pump up the Volume! Dance Dance !
Never underestimate the power of protest to initiate change.
Sadly, many young people in the west today are growing up without much solid knowledge of Christianity and the rich history of Christianity in Europe.
Even fewer are provided with solid education about early Christianity and its tumultuous history with Islam.
Politically correct education in the west fails to examine Islam from a critical point of view - as ancient Europeans use to do.
Today, Islam is sugar coated and window dressed to present a clean picture to the west that neatly fits Muslim preconceptions about how Islam should be portrayed.
This picture is being promoted by Islamic apologists.
Islamic education about world history is biased and deeply flawed. And yet it prevails in many school throughout the west.
Islamic history denies that Islam was ever spread by the sword even though it is a historical fact that Muslims invaded several areas of Europe to conquer and convert Europeans to Islam.
This is one small example of Islamic deception.
Teachers in Buckinghamshire should courageously teach the truth about Islam and not succumb to political correctness.
They must look beyond the Islamic smokescreens and teach more facts that are based on solid truths.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10424a.htm
Posted by: Johnathan at December 7, 2006 2:21 AM
Sadly the West seems to sacrifice this important principle at the altar of political correctness.
Schools like most things in England are centrally-controlled from the Govt in Whitehall. The Directives are sent out for LEAs to implement and they must send in reports on progress. Staff are sent on courses to train them in PC ideology; if they object they look for new jobs.
The Labour Govt has implemented this crap since arriving in 1997 with a goal to remake society in their image. They have used laws, directives, and controlled budgets to ensure conformity. Object as a teacher and you will be removed; object as an official and you will be removed.
When German schools removed the cross from the classroom it was because Berlin ordered it and the instructions were carried out - the Nazis had a way of making their instructions known. The system was called Gleichschaltung - ie complete conformity at all levels to the Will at the centre. That is Modern Britain.
Thatcher centralised much power and emasculated local governnmment, now Labour has complete control and lays down in detail how local budgets are to be spent, sets targets. When the schools do not obey they are taken away and put under a private contractor who runs them for the government.
If you want to see how say East Germany functioned before they took over all private property in the 1950s look at Britain. This is the nearest thing the country has ever had to a Communist Regime. It sets targets, imposes ideology, expands State power, and drives people to emigrate to escape. Yesterday we had a recitation of the Five Year Plan, the goal to surpass the US or India or Japan............targets that will be missed but The Party will doctor the statistics so another triumph is achieved.
Everything is better than before, but the State needs more resources, more commitment from The People. Schools are to produce the Ideologically Pure New Man to live in the Brave New World - they are economic droids for the as-yet undiscovered new industries which will make this land the centre of the highest-productivity, best-educated workforce on earth.
This is the kind of rhetoric which fills the airwaves. Woe betide a teacher who stands in the way. Religion is just a coat people wear so let them all share coats is the motto - but they must be ready to be productive economic units.
This is how Marxism is infused into British Politics - all political parties are Utilitarian and see people only as economic units. This is why religion is becoming more and more salient to avoid being turned into the kind of drunken droids of New Soviet Man and the amoral society they have built.
Posted by: Voyager at December 7, 2006 2:36 AM
Well if England becomes Muslim it will make Prince Charles' ascension less awkward as he will be the defender of the faith of the same religion as his subjects. Maybe he can proclaim himself Caliph too while he is at it.
Posted by: pissedoffcanadian at December 7, 2006 4:15 AM
Guys,
An alliance of Free Thinking Hindus and Jews
Any Christians want to join?
Posted by: raz at December 7, 2006 4:48 AM
Religion to be taught as a subject in schools? This is the surest way of developing an aversion towards it. I remember my schooldays when 'Moral Science' being taught made us all yawn.
It is entirely profoundly personal and has to be initiated by the parents in an imperceptible way. It is an ongoing education. Literature and good art also play a part in refinement of one's emotions.
What more is there to learn about islam which is but a death cult?
Posted by: Crows&Cows
at December 7, 2006 6:18 AM
Hinduism is only included to mask the improved status of Islam. The goal of the UK syllabus writers is to promote Islam and denigrate Christianity. Hinduism is only there to make the process seem fair.
Posted by: Seymour Paine at December 7, 2006 8:09 AM
When I was in elementary school, in Ontario, Canada, at the start of every day we sang, "God Save the Queen" and "Oh, Canada" and we recited The Lord's Prayer.
Now, Ontario elementary schools play a bad recording of someone warbling, "Oh, Canada" and the kids try to sing along.
http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/en/timePortals/milestones/122mile.asp
Posted by: Josephine at December 7, 2006 9:41 AM
There is a ton of material, some redundant, available about the Islamization of public school textbooks here in the US as well.
Check The Textbook League at www.textbookleague.org. William J. Bennetta, a professional editor, a fellow of the California Academy of Sciences, the president of The Textbook League, and the editor of The Textbook Letter. He writes often about the propagation of quackery, false "science" and false "history" in schoolbooks.
The American Textbook Council and Gilbert Sewall -
Islam and the Textbooks
http://www.historytextbooks.org/islamreport.pdf
"Islam and the Textbooks: A Reply to the Critics,"
http://www.historytextbooks.org/islamandthetextbooks.pdf
Then SEARCH the internet using terms like
* SEARCH "Islamic indoctrination in public schools",
http://www.dawanet.com/methods/publicschool.dawapublic.asp
dawanet.com explains the systemic (and deviously clever) manipulation of a free society.
According to the Islamic Outreach site http://www.astrolabe.com/product/617/Islamic_Information_for_Middle_School_&_High_School_Package.html Public schools are required to teach about Islam
* SEARCH "textbooks promote Islam"
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=11132
How did such a textbook get written and approved? It was launched in accord with California policy in 1991, which wanted such a book to advance the state’s multi-culturalist, inclusive agenda. In 1990 a new man was named its Chairman and Chief Executive Office at this textbook’s publisher Houghton Mifflin, and in 1991 he was also given the title President at the company. He was Nader F. Darehshori, who before coming to the United States in “the early 1960s,” as his short biography tells, was for a year a teacher “in a one-room elementary school in his native Iran.” Iran, of course, is an overwhelmingly-Islamic country.
The textbook was published with approval by the Council on Islamic Education (CIE), formed in 1988 to promote a better treatment of the subject of Islam in such texts. This 558-page history textbook, "http://www.nationalreview.com/dreher/dreherprint021202.html" notes Rod Dreher in National Review, includes 55 pages about Islam, all of them positive. By contrast, the entire Middle Ages in Europe get only seven pages, and Christianity is discussed therein “not in terms of moral and theological belief, but almost entirely as a matter of power relations and social organization.” The whole eastern half of the Roman Empire known as the Byzantine Empire that survived until 1453 (when Muslim Ottoman Turks toppled Constantinople) gets only six pages. A chapter about “Village Society in West Africa,” notes Dreher, rates eight pages. But praiseful writing about Islam takes up 10 percent of this entire history book written for American students to study in their American Madrassas. But does it matter when a http://www.pacificjustice.org/resources/articles/focus.cfm?ID=ART434511306" handout supplement to the pro-Muslim Across the Centuries textbook hypnotically tells students that, as an exercise, “You and your classmates will become Muslims”? Or when students are required to memorize a prayer that includes the line “Praise be to Allah, Lord of Creation”
* SEARCH "Islamic dawa in public schools"
OR
* SEARCH "Across the Centuries criticism"
OR
* SEARCH "Serge Trifkovic Across the Centuries"
OR
* SEARCH "Textbooks for Jihad by Lee Kaplan"
OR
* SEARCH "Look who's teaching Johnny about Islam by Paul Sperry"
ETC, etc...
You will find many articles and one will lead to the next and so on...here are just a few links to articles related to Islam in our schools . . . :
Textbook and classroom "exercises"
http://www.blessedcause.org/Bias%20in%20California%20Schools.htm
More on dhimmitude in the schools
href="http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/000310.php
The NEA and Islam:
http://www.blessedcause.org/Righteous Out/NEA betrayal.htm
http://www.lifeway.com/lwc/article_main_page/0,1703,A%3D150172%26M%3D50011,00.html
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=%5CPolitics%5Carchive%5C200208%5CPOL20020813a.html
http://www.cwfa.org/articles/926/CWA/education/
http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/neSa.htm
http://www.tbaptist.com/aab/nv209.htm
Check out the http://www.cie.org Council on Islamic Education. They focus on Constitutional issues and policy on how to insert religion into the curricula. One step forward and five steps back!
Also http://www.soundvision.com Sound Vision has a plethora of relevant articles. In the past they provided several on how to "persuade" public schools to include Islam in education.
Arizona readers may want to peruse three pieces written about Islam in textbooks in Scottsdale and California, including correspondence between Jerome du Bois and Christine Schild, President of the SUSD Governing Board. The Superintendent himself, John Baracy refused to answer any emails.
Jerome du Bois
Catherine King
The Tears of Things
http://www.thetearsofthings.net/archives/000317.html
http://www.thetearsofthings.net/archives/000319.html
http://www.thetearsofthings.net/archives/000320.html
Islamic Indoctrination in America's Public Schools
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/000211.php
Dhimmis in California no longer compliant
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/000236.php
Judge allows public school to teach about Islam
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/000407.php
More on the California school case
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/000412.php
Daniel Pipes on dhimmitude in the classroom
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/000543.php
Textbooks for Jihad
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/001218.php
Textbook companies take the path of least resistance, responding to the squeakiest wheels
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,85594,00.html
Look who's teaching Johnny about Islam
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/001814.php
San Francisco Schools For Jihad
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/003404.php
Dhimmitude in Virginia: Teaching Ramadan in public schools
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/003511.php
Muslim Re-Education: Coming to an Elementary School Near You
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/003614.php
Georgia public schools to accommodate Friday prayers
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/003716.php
Delaware: Muslim children given place to pray during Ramadan
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/003718.php
Spreading Islam in American Public Schools
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/004025.php
Bath, New York: Class dispels Islamic myths
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/005073.php
More schoolbook dhimmitude
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/005140.php
Saudis Funded Columbia Program At Institute That Trained Teachers
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/005305.php
Jihadist Organizations use Public Television to Market Sharia Law to American Youth
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/005461.php
Teachers get lessons on Islam and Arab world
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/005452.php
Anti-dhimmitude in Arizona: Text pulled after uproar over Islam
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/005638.php
Know what the teachers are teaching
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/005646.php
Dawa in Public Schools
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/005919.php
Prayer in public schools ok'd
"http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/007997.php
Court Asked to Rehear Case Over Calif. Schools' 'Becoming Muslim' Exercise
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/009592.php
Textbooks Proselytize for Allah
href="http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/010289.php
Teaching Johnny About Islam
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/011530.php
Maryland: Muslim group demanding that school system remove Jewish holidays from school calendar
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/011738.php
Fitzgerald: Scholarship and sensitivity
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/011523.php
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/000310.php
http://www.blessedcause.org/Righteous
http://www.lifeway.com/lwc/article_main_page/0,1703,A%3D150172%26M%3D50011,00.html
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=%5CPolitics%5Carchive%5C200208%5CPOL20020813a.html
http://www.cwfa.org/articles/926/CWA/education
http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/neSa.htm
http://www.tbaptist.com/aab/nv209.htm
Check out http://www.cie.org
They focus on Constitutional issues and policy on how to insert religion into the curricula. One step forward and five steps back!
Also http://www.soundvision.com
Sound Vision has a plethora of interesting articles. In the past they had several on how to "persuade" public schools to include Islam in education.
Arizona readers may want to peruse three pieces written about Islam in textbooks in Scottsdale and California, including correspondence between Christine Schild, President of the SUSD Governing Board. The Superintendent himself, John Baracy, as refused to answer any emails.
The Tears of Things
http://www.thetearsofthings.net/archives/000317.html
http://www.thetearsofthings.net/archives/000319.html
http://www.thetearsofthings.net/archives/000320.html
Islamic Indoctrination in America's Public Schools
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/000211.php
Dhimmis in California no longer compliant
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/000236.php"
Judge allows public school to teach about Islam
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/000407.php
More on the California school case
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/000412.php
Jihadist Organizations use Public Television to Market Sharia Law to American Youth
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/005461.php
What do Osama and hot dogs have in common?
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=12645
"Prestigious American textbook publishers such as Prentice-Hall, Simon and Schuster, TCI and others are educating your child to the 'Arab point of view' and its aspirations of world domination," writes Lee Kaplan at Front Page:
Militant Islamists in the United States and their allies have set their sights on our American children. They seek to provide an education similar to that taught in the controlled regimes of the Arab world. So far, American textbook suppliers are more than willing to accommodate them . . .
Teachers get lessons on Islam and Arab world
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/005452.php
Text pulled after uproar over Islam
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/005638.php
ACLU, CAIR demand apology for letter written by private school group
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/004431.php
Form Pits Texas Christians Against Muslims
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/004749.php
Tennessee School Allows Muslim Headscarves
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/004641.php
IT IS TIME THIS NONSENSE IS BROUGHT TO A HALT
at December 7, 2006 10:41 AM
"Religion is all about faith, and faith has nothing to do with facts or science.. point is that religion should not be taught, discussed or brought into public schools or the public millieu."
-Nariz
Precisely. That is why this Labor PC business in the UK of supporting religious schools must be put to an end. Religion is superstition, nothing more, nothing less. In this environment of tolerating the religions of immigrants, one cannot exclude a teaching of Islam if there are so many Moslems there. The only possible solution is to teach Islam alongside the other superstitions, and debunk the myths and garbage of all religions, to ALL STUDENTS, irrespective of the religious/superstitious affiliation of their parents. What is needed is infinitely more teaching of religions, Islam included, from a scientific and a gory historical perspective. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. The TIMESUK recently admitted this. It is time to become entirely secular. It is our only chance of saving the West, and influencing the rest of the world.
at December 7, 2006 12:29 PM
IN PRINCIPLE, the problem of Islamification (or the religious indoctrination of public school students to the religion of Islam) should be LESS of a problem in the United States, and more of a problem in locations such as the UK or Canada.
IN PRINCIPLE, the U.S. requires a separation of church and state. (Although, as the poster justamomof4 points out, this can be sidestepped -- I believe through the introduction of Islam via "social studies" classes.)
The problem with the UK (and Canada) is that there is no mandated separation of church and state. Here in Canada I was shocked to discover that in some locales Catholic schools are deemed "public schools" and receive public funding. I believe that any public school must remain non-religious and secular. (I also object to public monies going to provide monies to private, religious schools -- this is a practice which I believe should stop. It is obscene that public tax dollars should go to support religious Islamic schools.)
Posted by: J.S. at December 7, 2006 1:15 PM
IN PRINCIPLE, the U.S. requires a separation of church and state.
NO IT DOES NOT.
Why does the President of the United States swear an Oath on a Bible held by the Chief Justice of The Supreme Court ?
Why does Congress begin each day with Prayer ?
There is NOTHING in the First Amendment to separate Churrch and State except to say State cannot establish a State Church as existed in states like Connecticut, Mass, Virginia, Maryland.
The US system on religion is totally bizarre and ridiculous. The State Church in Denmark, Sweden, England, is far better.
Canada does NOT have a State Church but an Anglican Church just like the US which calls it Episcopalian.
The problem with the UK (and Canada) is that there is no mandated separation of church and state.
Oh they tried that after The Civil War under the Commonwealth Dictatorship but restored both Monarchy and Church of England after that experience. The United States being such a young country has no notion of over 1000 years of history of the Church in England and tends to look at things in the perspective of soapflake religion as in the USA with its 'Cash for Indulgences'
commercialism.
I think I prefer our system.............but I do think the US should copy the French and authorise the President to dismiss Congress and call elections; and have the Supreme Court disempowered to adjudicate on any matter not specifically mentioned in The Constitution
ie. gay rights, abortion etc.
There is no basis in the Us Constitution for Roe v Wade and but for the Mayo Clinic sending its Legal Counsel as a Supreme Court Justice Blackmun could never have perverted and subverted that Constitution with such weakminded drivel as he dared call a Judgment.
That Judgment plus the piece of political drivel in 1962 which stopped Us schools from holding prayers were Ultra Vires and The Supreme Court acted as a political body outside The Constitution of the United States. Justice Warren should have been impeached.
The American public has permitted its historic legacy from The Founding Fathers to be hi-jacked by a political agenda which has turned the country into a socialist republic driving the founding principles of the country from the first settlement at Plymouth Rock to the periphery and making the country just one large basin of competing minorities and interest groups seeking to make the majority pay homage to their own idiosyncrasies.............the USA is increasingly like the German Democratic Republic
Posted by: Voyager at December 7, 2006 1:53 PM
Prayers were said in US public schools from the founding of The Republic until 1962 Engel v. Vitale
Thomas Jefferson, the author of the Declaration of Independence, wrote:
"You seem to think that the Supreme Court is the ultimate arbiter of constitutional interpretation, a very dangerous doctrine indeed and one that would place us under the tyranny of an oligarchy."
In 1962, they ruled prayer out of the public schools.
In 1963, they ruled the Bible out of public schools.
http://www.nationalcenter.org/cc7252.htm
ENGEL ET AL. v. VITALE ET AL.
370 U.S. 421
June 25, 1962
CERTIORARI TO THE COURT OF APPEALS OF NEW YORK.
No. 468. Argued April 3, 1962.--Decided June 25, 1962.
BLACK, J. delivered the opinion of the Court. DOUGLAS, J., post, p. 437, filed a concurring opinion. STEWART, J. post, p. 444, filed a dissenting opinion.
Mr. Justice Stewart, dissenting
A local school board in New York has provided that those pupils who wish to do so may join in a brief prayer at the beginning of each school day, acknowledging their dependence upon God and asking His blessing upon them and upon their parents, their teachers, and their country. The Court today decides that in permitting this brief nondenominational prayer the school board has violated the Constitution of the United States. I think this decision is wrong.
The court does not hold, nor could it, that New York has interfered with the free exercise of anybody's religion. For the state courts have made clear that those who object to reciting the prayer must be entirely free of any compulsion to do so, including any "embarrassments and pressures." Cf. West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U. S. 624. But the Court says that in permitting school children to say this simple prayer, the New York authorities have established "an official religion."
With al. respect, I think the Court has misapplied a great constitutional principle. I cannot see how an "official religion" is established by letting those who want to say a prayer say it. On the contrary, I think that to deny the wish of these school children to join in reciting this prayer is to deny them the opportunity of sharing in the spiritual heritage of our Nation.
The Court's historical review of the quarrels over the Book of Common Prayer in England throws no light for me on the issue before us in this case. England had then and has now an established church. Equally unenlightening, I think, is the history of the early establishment and later rejection of an official church in our own States. For we deal here not with the establishment of a state church, which would, of course, be constitutionally impermissible, but with whether school children who want to begin their day by joining in prayer must be prohibited from doing so. Moreover, I think that the Court's task, in this as in all areas of constitutional adjudication, is not responsibly aided by the uncritical invocation of metaphors like the "wall of separation," a phrase nowhere to be found in the Constitution. What is relevant to the issue here is not the history of an established church in sixteenth century England or in eighteenth century America, but the history of the religious traditions of our people, reflected in countless practices of the institutions and officials of our government.
At the opening of each day's Session of this Court we stand, while one of our officials invokes the protection of God. Since the days of John Marshall our Crier has said, "God save the United States and this Honorable Court."(1) Both the Senate and the House of Representatives open their daily Sessions with prayer.(2) Each of our Presidents, from George Washington to John F. Kennedy, has upon assuming his Office asked the protection and help of God.(3)
The Court today says that the state and federal governments are without constitutional power to prescribe any particular form of words to be recited by any group of the American people on any subject touching religion. (4) One of the stanzas of "The Star Spangled Banner," made our National Anthem by Act of Congress in 1931, (5) contains these verses:
"Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land Praise the Pow'r that hath made and preserved us a nation ! Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just, And this be our motto 'In God is our Trust."'
How can any Christian accept the perverse ruling of The Supreme Court unless like Jesus Christ he considers himself to be living under Foreign Occupation as was Jesus under the Empire of Rome
at December 7, 2006 2:03 PM
J.S. -
If I'm not mistaken, in Ontario, people can choose where their tax dollars go: either to the Catholic or the regular school system. I'm not sure if it's the same now.
Maybe it has something to do with the rights of French Canadians who were originally Catholic.
Posted by: Josephine at December 7, 2006 4:14 PM
Maybe it has something to do with the rights of French Canadians who were originally Catholic.
originally Catholic LOL..........they probably still are...............but Ontario is the power-house of the Anglos..............Quebec of the Francos
Posted by: Voyager at December 7, 2006 4:18 PM
Dear World4Christ:
Sorry about upsetting you. I spoke rather harshly, but it is more out of alarm than, substantive fact, in regard to England. I sincerely hope that England, Europe or the States here are not lost to Islam, but too be honest I'm not feeling to positive about the entire situation. W.W.II was won because Churchill understand the nature of the enemy. Even in the States, FDR, also understood what was at stake. Right now, whether it is from England or the U.S., the general news is not encouraging at all.
at December 7, 2006 4:27 PM
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
06th December 2006.
Hindu Council UK is concerned that a report claims that 3 out of 4 employers have banned Christmas decorations from their offices for fear of offending other faiths
Hindu Council UK,on behalf of the main stream Hindu community of the UK, would like to stress that they have no objection whatsoever if employers were to put up Christmas decorations.
We live in a Christina country and respect Christian faith and traditions as we respect other faiths and traditions.
Hindu Council UK would be disappointed if some employers were to use faith as an excuse not to decorate their offices for Christmas.
Chuni Chavda - 07961 905 604.
Executive Representative
Hindu Council UK
at December 7, 2006 5:13 PM
To Voyager:
When I state that "IN PRINCIPLE, the U.S. requires a separation of Church and State," I am referring to the FUNDING of PUBLIC SCHOOLS. This is not about school prayer (that's a separate issue.)
There's an academic article (the abstract is on-line) about the funding of public schools in the States, entitled: "Public Funding for Religious Schools: difficulties and dangers in a pluralistic society" by Laura S. Underkuffler. The Abstract reads: "In the United States, payment of public tax money to religious institutions— including religious educational institutions—has traditionally been subject to rigorous restraints. Interpreting the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, the Supreme Court has long held that state-mandated financial support of religious institutions tends to corrupt both religion and government, and is a violation of conscience for those who must fund religions with which they may bitterly disagree. Recently, advocates of state aid for religious education have attacked these principles, arguing that they fail to recognise the religious tolerance that American society has achieved. This article defends the traditional restraints..."
To Josephine:
You are correct about the rights of French Catholics living in Ontario. In 1867 there was an agreement (this compromise was how Confederation took place) that public monies would be guaranteed to French Catholic schools in Ontario, and, conversely, that monies would be provided to Protestant schools in Quebec. Recently, other religious groups have argued that this discriminates against non-Protestants, and non-Catholics (in other words, they wanted public monies to fund their religious schools). According to a number of polls, people in Ontario did not believe in the funding of private religious schools (they are opposed). So, then there was a compromise proposed which would give a tax break (thousands of dollars) to parents who enrolled their children in private religious schools -- that's the last I've heard about this. I *believe* there's a tax-break -- but don't quote me...
at December 7, 2006 6:18 PM
"originally Catholic LOL...they probably still are...but Ontario is the power-house of the Anglos...Quebec of the Francos"
Posted by: Voyager
The Quebecois have language and religious rights throughout Canada. For example, all products in Canada have bilingual printing, and French language instruction is mandatory for English-speaking students in Ontario until, and including, Grade 9.
I have ancestors who came from France and settled in Quebec circa 1750. My line gradually moved out of Quebec and some married non-Catholics. I am not pure Quebecois, therefore, but I am also not Catholic. Families can change their religion over time.
Perhaps all pure Quebecois are still Roman Catholic but I am not an expert in this area and I do not like to assume anything unless I know it to be true.
Posted by: Josephine at December 7, 2006 7:56 PM
J.S. - Yes, I'd forgotten about that tax break. It's probably still in effect or there would have been a huge complaint.
Posted by: Josephine at December 7, 2006 7:58 PM
Just a brief note -- any Federal civil servant in Canada is required to be bi-lingual (speak both French and English). (It's also expected of Federal politicians to be fluent in both official languages...there have been instances of unilingual Anglos not running for the office of Prime Minister because they were not sufficiently fluent in French.)
Education is not under the control of the Federal government. Education is strictly up to each province. (The Federal government gives each province a lump sum to each province -- it's called a transfer payment, based on a complex formula. This lump sum goes to each Province's Health, Education and Welfare. So each province determines how to divvy up the lump sum. Some provinces spend more on education than other provinces, some spend more on Health care, etc). Also, each province has its own Department of Education (at the provincial level -- the Dept. determine what's taught, they determine who can or cannot be certified to teach, they set the testing standards, etc. And, again, each province is different. (So, if you have a teaching certificate in the province of Ontrario, you may or may not qualify to teach in, say, the province of Alberta. And, if in Ontario parents get a provincial tax break for sending their kids to a private religious school, that tax break will not be the case in, say, Alberta.)
Posted by: J.S. at December 7, 2006 11:21 PM
I am referring to the FUNDING of PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
That is to make several errors with respect to England where "Public Schools" are in fact private and independent though originally set up as religious foundations like Christ's Hospital, or Ampleforth; or to fulfill a need for those serving the East India Company abroad - Haileybury; or the Military - Wellington College.
The State Schools - what Americans call "public Schools" arrived here after 1870 when local government was first permitted to levy a rate; but the real State schools were Board Schools set up after 1902.
The Church produced the schools in England and it was part of the deal in the 1944 Education Act that they receive Voluntary Aided Status in return for bringing their schools within the local authority system so Catholic and Anglican Schools were integrated into the Board Schools.
England had a long tradition of independent schools long before the United States was founded..........it seems distinctly Soviet to expropriate private property and to compel people to use State Schools to be indoctrinated in State Political Ideology
It is countries like Germany and Belgium that make home-schooling illegal; perhaps the Us will consider that too if it thinks private property should be expropriated by the State.
Personally, I think ALL State Schools should be privatised and rather than religion being banned from schools I think Politics should be banned from schools.
There is nothing so divisive as Politics - look how much anger the Democrats and republicans cause in the US by dominating television with their venomous attacks on each other...............it is political parties which should be banned from the public space
Posted by: Voyager at December 8, 2006 3:01 AM
"it seems distinctly Soviet to expropriate private property and to compel people to use State Schools to be indoctrinated in State Political Ideology"
Posted by: Voyager
What do you mean, "expropriate private property"?
Doesn't all land in Britain belong to the Queen? I think all land in Canada ultimately belongs to the Queen.
I'm not arguing with you, just asking for clarification. Do people get kicked out of their homes whenever a "state" school is built in Britain?
Posted by: Josephine at December 8, 2006 7:28 AM
Its not political correctness its Santanic correctness, the more souls he can take down the pit the more bitter it is for God. Can no one see that their is a delusion like the authories have been hypnotised into? Athiests and Islam are on same side they deny Jesus Chirst because the truth hurts. Or by making him sound a myth the rest of his truths no matter if fact or fiction will ultimately fall down with it and be replaced with half truths like the devil would him self.
Posted by: jesusisthelamb at December 8, 2006 9:50 AM
Sorry athiests in the middle not all of you.
Posted by: jesusisthelamb at December 8, 2006 9:51 AM
chinubhai86:
Your grasp of history is rather, well, bizarre.
Islam was officially founded in the sixth century AD. The Babylonian Empire collapsed several centuries BC. Therefore it is not correct so say that Babylon fell to the Muslims (it fell to the Greeks). Who taught you history????? In fact, the Arabian peninsula was, during the height of the Babylonian Empire, a territory of Babylon's.
And as it turns out, Islam worships the same god as the Babylonians and other Mesopotamian cultures --the moon-god, known variously as al-ilat, al-lah, allah, baal, Beelzebub, Marduk, Sin and many other names. The Babylonians and Sumerians performed human sacrifices on the ziggurats in accordance with the phases of the moon. There is speculation that they dismembered the bodies of the sacrificed persons and drank their blood (something that eyewitnesses have reported seeing Muslims do, as may have been the case with Daniel Pearl).
If anything, it was the Arabian Peninsula that fell to Babylon and the paganistic, blood-soaked religious practices of Babylon eventually morphed into what we now recognize as "Islam." And unlike Babylon, these practices have been embedded in the Arab people for thousands of years by now.
Posted by: pythagoras at December 8, 2006 3:20 PM
But exactly WHO is going to educate students that Islam was in fact founded by Cro-Magnon relict hominids on earth, BY cro-Magnon relict hominids here on earth, and FOR Cro-Magnon relict hominids here on earth?? And when???
If they did, that would be teaching these kids something worth learning!!!!!!
Posted by: pythagoras at December 12, 2006 3:33 PM
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