Robert, please, I hate to see your masochism on display this way. Please, please get counseling before you post this picture again.

Cordially,

Posted by: longtime lurker at December 7, 2006 10:43 AM

Well, some people see the light later than others but at least Stein did finally see it.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 7, 2006 10:53 AM

You really must pick up a copy of Carter's book next time you're at a chain bookstore and give it a fifteen minute perusal. It is much worse than you can even imagine.

Carter writes about 'Palestinians' that must exist in some parallel universe only he knows about - they are like Precious Moment figurines with check headscarves.

When speaking of Israeli 'concessions' needed for peace he sounds as unbiased as Goebbels demanding the Polish Corridor.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at December 7, 2006 11:53 AM

Among the elites there seem to be two personality types on the issue of Islam: flat-out whores like the Bush family and do-gooders like Jimmy Carter. The former are promiscuous, giving it away to any Muslim or Moonie who'll pony up, and the latter desperately try to smooth out the rough edges at the expense of sane policy. Both really ought to read Mr. Spencer's books.

Also, as I've said in other posts, I believe we need to grabble with Muhhammad spiritually and not legalistically. I'm convinced he had Gnostic spiritual training that he never finished. I'm likewise convinced he was a spiritually potent man, and that his spiritual power was perverted by untreated neuroses kicking around in his personal psychology. This happens because these connections with Spirit start at the deepest core of our being and filter up through our conscious psychological content. Which is why this must be cleaned up before embarking on serious spiritual journeys. And if you can't clean these things up, you must at least be made aware of them. That's where Gnosis comes in.

Finally, I'm also convinced that all this is a direct result of the Church turning its back on its Gnostic traditions, which are clearly evident in the book of Revelations, a personal Gnostic vision that ends with the balance and beauty of the New Jerusalem.

I'm aware that this is very potent stuff spiritually, and that if left uncontrolled it can result in parasitic if not outright hostile movements inimicable to the Church. But that's the point. The Church should have put these techniques under a conscious and thoughtful structure of control and command. As a result these forces are running around in the wild. We see that, not only in Islam, but in the Nazis. Also to a far less pathological extent -- though still pathological IMHO -- in the Mormons.

Irenaeus isn't the only Church Father or Doctor of the Church. Others, like Clement of Alexandria, were quite open to Gnostic currents, though perhaps in a more diluted form.

Posted by: pneumatikon at December 7, 2006 12:01 PM

"I'm likewise convinced [Mohammed] was a spiritually potent man, and that his spiritual power was perverted by untreated neuroses kicking around in his personal psychology."

The philosopher Eric Voegelin called this phenomenon pneumopathology; regrettably, however, Voegelin -- though he did devote a few pages in volume 4 of his Order and History to the imperialistic component of Islam -- never took the time to submit Mohammed to an analysis of spiritual disease, as he did with so many other key figures in history (including, in varying degrees, Luther, Marx, Nietzsche, Lenin, Hitler). And PC has become so dominant and mainstream now that I find with dismay many current Voegelinians sugarcoat and whitewash Islam so much, they probably take it as a given that Mohammed was a "great spiritual leader" in the relatively healthy sense.

Posted by: remote_control at December 7, 2006 12:22 PM

"Carter writes about 'Palestinians' that must exist in some parallel universe only he knows about - they are like Precious Moment figurines with check headscarves."

He's not alone. Many apologists for the Palestinians refer to them as innocent, pure victims of Israeli agrression. What a croc! If the Palestinians weren't in the grip of the Islamic Death Cult peace would have happened long ago. These apologists ignore the way Palestinians are indoctrinated from birth into hating Jews and the way militants don't hesitate to hide among "civilians" to increase collateral damage and thus demonize Israel further.

Dhimmi Carter is a dangerous, pathetic fool.

Posted by: Proud Infidel at December 7, 2006 12:38 PM

Carter writes about 'Palestinians' that must exist in some parallel universe only he knows about - they are like Precious Moment figurines with check headscarves.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at December 7, 2006 11:53 AM

Time to break all those figurines and send Jimmy back to his universe already. His brand of nonsense causes nothing but trouble. It's hard to believe such a fool (and tool) was ever president-even by today's dismal political standards.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 7, 2006 12:49 PM

Robert,

I'll try again:

What was the conversation between you and Jimbo when that photo was taken that you find so embarressing today?

Give us a hint oh fearless leader!

Posted by: Cornelius at December 7, 2006 12:58 PM

If Carter recieved money to write his book, shouldn't that money source now challenge him on factual authentisity? If it was an innocent source, of course, but I don't believe they are. Especially when you have someone that is stating to be an eye-witness to the events (Mr. Stein) that Carter is taking out of factual occurance.

If any one should get to write a book it should be Kenneth Stein. I give him 12 months before we see a book.

I have a question for Mr. Stein to put in his book. Who in the Middle East has been sending money to Jimmy Carter or the Carter Center to BUY Mr. Carter's support. And since Mr. Carter brings nothing to the table and he knows it, Mr. Carter and whoever is paying him are buying only the title 'President' to authenticate lies.

The world or at least the American people need to quit being lead by THE BIG LIE that we all know is occuring. The politicians are whores to the biggest bidder with the biggest wallet. They are selling out our country we know it and we are sitting on our thumbs.

Posted by: alaskan1000 at December 7, 2006 1:03 PM

Not dhimmi. Antisemite. An obvious case. Not even close.

Posted by: Hugh at December 7, 2006 1:21 PM

And another anti-Semite weighs in on the Middle East, etc., while promoting his new movie:

http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,1564173_1_0_,00.html

Mel Gibson: "If I'm watching a video of Osama bin Laden looking through a rifle, how do I know he's not just some shoe salesman they told could be in a movie? You know what I mean? There's no way to verify it."

OBL, shoe salesman to the anti-Semitic stars.

Posted by: Josephine at December 7, 2006 3:23 PM

Ladies and Gentlemen:

President Carter isn't a dhimmi, he's a man running large foundation that needs to garner a significant amount of money in donations. (I orignially called him a paid shill, but that is an uncharitable remark. Please disregard that I mentioned it.)

Please review the 2004-2005 annual report; it is interesting.

http://www.cartercenter.org/documents/2339.pdf

Cheers,

Arbroath

Posted by: Mr. Arbroath at December 7, 2006 4:05 PM

I think Robert Spencer probably drove a Vega. I just have a feeling about it. That or a "K" car...

Posted by: jsla at December 7, 2006 4:17 PM

I've seen Carter at least twice on TV explaining his book and his viewpoint..

What is obvious to me is that he has not one whit of understanding of Islam, which is a common feature with our politicians including Bush, Cheney, and the Iraqi Study Group.. This ignorance transcends party lines.

He believes, as do so many, many others (unfortunately) of both liberal and conservative persuasion.. that it is all about economics and self determination.. they don't get it, and I wonder if they will get it, that the problem has nothing to do with economics, land and that self determination means one nation under Islam with Shari'a for all.

Yegads, the leadership of Hamas, and even Fatah, has said it loud and clear over and over, and it is written in plain sight in the HAMAS charter.. there can be no Israel..period, no Jews except in a state of dhimmitude in any land that is or was muslim.

Carter doesn't know that, maybe Mssr Spencer since he has some experience with Carter might be able to sit down and educate him.

The Iraq Study Group and Bush and the neo cons, and conservatives in general (beyond the realm of Jihad Watch) don't get it either..so long as their is a Harbi, a kaffiri, in an Islamic country that is not in full submissive dhimmitude, the muslim will always be outraged, angered, wounded, offended and humiliated.

Can I suggest that Mssr Spencer educated Mssr Carter rather than call him a dhimmi.. Let's see his position after he has been educated.

How much did any Jihad Watcher know of Islam prior to 9-11 and prior to the excellent educational efforts of Mssr Spencer and others like him?

Posted by: Nariz at December 7, 2006 6:00 PM

Nariz,

Not to take anything away from the extensive efforts of Robert and Hugh to educate us, but I for one was onto the dangers of Islam back in the 90s. One had to be asleep at the wheel (though millions were) not to have surmised that Islam was problematic, after the first WTC attack, the Dahrain and Riyadh bombings, the African embassy bombings, the Cole, etc. I found the first public validation of my concerns when I read Ibn Warraq's 'Why I'm Not a Muslim' in the late 90s.

Having said that, thank God we have Robert today to spear-head the anti-Jihadi movement.

In Jimmy Carter's case, here is a man intimately involved in the Middle East during his Presidency and afterward. The man is not oblivious to the realities of the region. His prejudices are not necessarily those of ignorance, but of a willful animus towards the Israelis.

Posted by: Cornelius at December 7, 2006 8:20 PM

"Robert, please, I hate to see your masochism on display this way. Please, please get counseling before you post this picture again." longtime lurk

Robert, I don't think it's a bad picture at all, except for the fact that you looked a bit too much like Cat Stevens. But no green crescent moon shadow following behind you thank goodness.

Anyway, I think if we all posted pictures of how we looked back in the 1970s then there would be generous helpings of cringe for all.

Posted by: alexon at December 7, 2006 9:29 PM

As all "do-gooders,' the dhimmiwhit Jimmy Carter is dangerous.

Posted by: unicorns62000 at December 7, 2006 9:50 PM

pneumatikon,

I love the first part of your comment:

"Among the elites there seem to be two personality types on the issue of Islam: flat-out whores like the Bush family and do-gooders like Jimmy Carter. The former are promiscuous, giving it away to any Muslim or Moonie who'll pony up, and the latter desperately try to smooth out the rough edges at the expense of sane policy. Both really ought to read Mr. Spencer's books."

About the grappling with Mohammed:

"Also, as I've said in other posts, I believe we need to grapple with Muhhammad spiritually and not legalistically. I'm convinced he had Gnostic spiritual training that he never finished. I'm likewise convinced he was a spiritually potent man, and that his spiritual power was perverted . . . etc."

This is fine and good, if you want to engage in debate with "learned" Moslem scholars--a debate that you will surely loose. To combat the gut-level Islamic--the one on jihad, aching to get at the virgins--who wants to kill infidels--explanations about the stunted gnosis of Mohammed isn't going to do it.

the jihadist, screaming about his allah, is best stopped--as he has been stopped by the British in Afghanistan and India and the American soldiers in the late 19th century Philipines* (the juramentados)--is stopped in only one way. And it is not with debate.

__________________
*the Colt 45 automatic pistol had to be used in the 19th-century Philippines to stop Moros (their privates tightly tied so as no other pain could be worse) from chopping off arms and heads of U.S. Army officers and soldiers with their barongs.

Posted by: unicorns62000 at December 7, 2006 10:18 PM

I lived in Cairo in the late 1970's. I had my first inkling of all this then but didn't know what it was exactly. I was in a group of Westerners interested in Sufism and some were actual Muslim converts. I met a medical doctor a dapper, western educated and western-dressed man with a trim beard. Someone whispered to me that he was Ikhwan (sp?) which is Muslim Brotherhood, (totally outlawed at the time).

I was told that they were everywhere in the Muslim world as well as in Europe, even ran dried fruit businesses in New York. They had secret passwords, safehouses, immense wealth and many ties with secret groups, even the CIA.

They hated Sadat and he hunted them down ruthlessly. Surprisingly they were at odds with the Palestinians and didn't trust them (they were 'unislamic' back then)

The thing I remember most is that they wanted to unite the whole Islamic world and do away with nations and I remember how excited even non-radical Western converts were by the idea. I was under the impression that many of the 'Ikhwan' had been well to do and Western educated. How much of all this is true I'm not sure but I never forgot it.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at December 7, 2006 10:28 PM

Robert, who's the ugly man on the right, and why is he hanging out with Jimmy Carter? Is he a cousin of yours?

(Just kidding, of course. You've definitely grown a lot more handsome and knowledgeable over the years, neither of which Carter has, or will ever do.)

Posted by: Audacity at December 8, 2006 7:38 AM

Hey, stop with the cease-and-desist orders on Robert's posting of the Carter/Spencer shot. It's FUNNY, and to the point.

And jsla, ('I think Robert Spencer probably drove a Vega. I just have a feeling about it. That or a "K" car...'); hey, he knew the words to a Boby Dylan song which he riffed on recently, didn't he?

Posted by: Vee at December 8, 2006 9:47 AM

just remember this... jimmy carter and james baker are good friends of the saudis. Now you know where their slant against israel comes from.

Posted by: callmeinfidel at December 8, 2006 5:27 PM

some may think that jiminy carter is a do-gooder, meaning that he wants to do good even if not successful. But I remember that his family were KuKluxKlansmen, like Ramsey clark's family.

Now, about Jimmy getting cash from the Middle East. I read back in September/October 1992 that the Carter Center in Atlanta had gotten $10 million dollars from the BCCI bank. The bank was owned in part by the Shaykh of Abu Dhabi and the govt of Abu Dhabi [making up the majority of shares]. The bank was known to transfer money for terrorist purposes, and other criminal purposes. It went bankrupt years ago and was found guilty of unsound banking practices.
In turn, Carter's center gave money to an outfit in Israel called B'tselem, as reported in the Jerusalem Post. An Israeli member of Knesset stated that B'tselem was getting money, directly or indirectly, from Arab sources. Maybe BCCI was what he was referring to.

B'tselem specialized then and still does in defending Arab human rights, not the human rights of Jews.

Posted by: Eliyahu at December 12, 2006 2:20 PM