"Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate) so go to your tilth as ye will" (2:223).

"Happy, happy, is gnarled McFate,
Touring the states with his child wife.
Plowing his Molly in every state
Among the protected wild life."

Excerpt from Humbert Humbert's poem in "Lolita."

Posted by: Hugh at December 7, 2006 2:09 PM

So according to the UN, women in Pakistan, Iran, Turkey, Bangladesh, Indonesia and Malaysia have no problems

Posted by: Infidel Pride at December 7, 2006 2:29 PM

A relevant essay by an Irani woman: Islamic debates: Is there anything to debate?>

A few days ago a gentleman from examinethetruth.com called me and asked if I would be ready to debate him. He told me that they had debated Ali Sina of Faith Freedom Foundation and other hostile people toward Islam and they would like to debate me, at Dr. Homa Darabi Foundation also. At first I agreed. I received an email from Nadir Ahmed thanking me for accepting his challenge. Then in a second email he asked me to debate them on Islam and terrorism. I declined the subject since there is really no debate on this subject. Almost all terrorist acts in recent years have been committed by Muslims I could not see what would be achieved by me debating examine the truth group on this subject. In addition this is not what our organization and myself are involved with. Our mission is to oppose all violations of human rights, focusing on defending the rights of women against religious, social and cultural abuse.

I wonder why Muslim apologists want to debate people like me? We have done our research, have read books, and the Koran above all and have come to the conclusion that Islam is the religion of discrimination and brutality. Discrimination based on gender, religion, social status, economical status and so on and so forth. In addition Islam has always been able to expand with the force of sword.

I don't think anyone who watched with horror the stoning of people in Iran , the beating of women by Taliban in Afghanistan, the amputations of limbs in Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Afghanistan will ever accept Islam as religion of peace. How can anyone forget the coverage of the woman being executed in the stadium in Afghanistan ? How can anyone forget the downing of the Egyptian airliner by its relief pilot while reciting Allah O Akbar (God is great)?

We, Ali Sina and I are not the enemy's of Islam. We only are interested in exposing the truth about Islam. If Nadir Ahmed thinks that we are wrong he should try and convince the people who are hurting his religion to stop what they are doing and not us. Wouldn't that be a great event if Examining the truth organization would debate the head of the office of “Promotion of virtue prevention of vise” in Saudi Arabia, or they would debate Ayathollah Yazdi of Iran, or Mulla Omar of Afghanistan?

Anyway what would some one like Nadir Ahmed tell me when I would recite him the revelation that God tells men to beat their wives? Is he going to say that he meant to beat her with a feather, or not so hard, or that the Arabic word ZARABA does not just mean to beat?

And if I say that the marriage of a 6 or 9 years old girl to any man at any age is a criminal act and the fact that the prophet married a six years old when he was in his mid fifties, what in the world Nadir Ahmed wants to say? What excuse would he want to bring? That girls in the hot climates of Saudi Arabia develop faster, or does he want to change Ayesha's age to anywhere from 15 to 25 at time of her marriage to defend this brutality and barbarism? Would Nadir marry his own 9 year old daughter to any man just to be a good Muslim? Is this his way of examining the truth?

What is he going to say about the laws of inheritance, marriage, divorce, custody, personal freedom and testifying in a court of law? Is he going to tells that Islam was the first religion that gave women the right to inheritance? Or that the covering of women is not an Islamic law but a cultural issue?

What is his truth regarding the fact that a man can divorce his wife at any moment without even her knowledge? What is the truth about the Islamic law that says a woman's life is worth half of a man's? As a matter of fact a man's left testicle is worth more than the life of a woman. How is his truth going to justify the law that a woman cannot get custody of her child? What is the truth behind women not being able to testify in the court of law? Is he going to say that because women were staying at home their knowledge of current affairs were limited therefore, they could not participate in those important issues discussed in the Islamic courts?

What is truth about the Koranic revelation where Allah apparently tells Mohammed to tell his wives that if they do not stop complaining Allah will give Mohammed the permission to divorce them all and marry prettier, more submissive and younger women? How is he going to explain this? Allah had something against women?

In Koran, Allah meddles in the marital affairs of the prophet seventeen times and each time rules on his behalf. Why? It also says that Mohammed could have all the women he captures in battles, all women who he wants, all women who want him, and all his female cousins from both side of his family. Why? Or that other Muslim men can only have four, but the prophet, the first Muslim man, can have as many as he wants. Why? What was so especial about this sick old man? Why did Allah break his own law just to accommodate Mohammed?

I can go on and on. How dare people like Nadir Ahmed want to debate me? What are they going to tell me that my only sister, Dr. Homa Darabi who self-immolated in Iran in 1994 protesting the inhumane treatment of women under Islamic laws of Sharia was wrong? Do they really want to convince me that a religion that forces an educated woman to either cover herself from head to toe and work or stay home is a freedom loving religion? What would be the purpose of having a debate with me? There is nothing Nadir Ahmed or anyone else for that matter can say to reduce the pain of my sister's death. She did not have to die. Neither do many women living under Islamic laws of Sharia. There is no need to debate me. I am living the brutality of Islam.

Parvin Darabi

Posted by: Shahryar at December 7, 2006 2:30 PM

The Qur'an also declares that a woman's testimony is worth half that of a man:

The concept is tribal and ancient, it is found in the Bible, especially Leviticus, was practised in Egypt.. Islam merely borrowed and adapted it's ideology and scriptures from the Torah and Injeel.

A woman who gives birth to a male lies in the blood of her purification for 33 days, but if a female child she will lay in the blood of her purification for 66 days (Leviticus 12)

This is the same as the Islamic women are 1/2 of a male.

The Muslims adopted this attitude towards women from the Jews, just as the adopted and adapted to their own purposes Rabbinical Judaism and Arian Christianity and called it Islam.

Nothing new in the Qur'an, nothing new at all, not even threats of hellfire and damnation and the self chosen elitism towards the "other".

Posted by: Nariz at December 7, 2006 3:09 PM

The memo must be stalled somewhere in reality.

Oh, here it is:

Islam is peace.

Yep, I'm glad I found it.

Trotting off....

Posted by: Bayoucoyote at December 7, 2006 3:28 PM

Wifebeaters aren't to blame for the treatment of their women either. After all, it's the fault of the miserable, dirty, ungrateful bitches anyway.

and Allah ta'alla knows best

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at December 7, 2006 4:03 PM

the men or the women, you all have the religion you deserve.

Posted by: StillFedUp at December 7, 2006 4:17 PM

How many times I've said this, disband the UN! It is clearly a waste of time and money, it serves no purpose at all, other than pretending to exist for international causes.

Niv

Posted by: niv at December 7, 2006 4:47 PM

Nariz,

You REALLY need to read the New Testiment. I still have not been able to find anywhere in that book that states women are half the worth of men...please enlighten me on this.

C'mom muslim4ever and Naseem!! I need my comic relief today!

Posted by: never_submit at December 7, 2006 5:01 PM

Nariz, Judaism and Christianity have evolved. A woman's testimony is equal to a mans in those religions. Islam has not, cannot and does not want to evolve.

The entire old testament is a story of evolution. G-d and man interact and change. G-d becomes more merciful at Abraham's pleading. The ancients used to sacrifice animals but substituted prayer for the sacrifice (Muslims still sacrifice animals).

Posted by: Papa Bear at December 7, 2006 5:28 PM

Islam is not to blame for the problem, the report says, but rather political inflexibility, male domination and war ...

... which describes Islam perfectly: political inflexibility, male domination and war. Among other things.

Posted by: feralee at December 7, 2006 5:39 PM

Islam liberates women. It liberates them from freedom.

Posted by: thegrimreaper at December 7, 2006 5:55 PM

Blame affiliates with Islam the same way that responsibility affiliates with freedom ... and with predictable results in both cases.

Posted by: Daisytoo at December 7, 2006 6:12 PM

Damm, feralee you beat me to it. If that statement doesn't describe the Islamic world to a T, then I'll eat a Halal pork burger.

Oh, and the authors of this UN report are lying morons. Lying to themselves, to the people they serve, and to the Islamic world in particular.

Islam IS the connecting ideology that holds their culture together sanctioning and enabling these vile behavioural habits to fester.

Posted by: William The Crusader at December 7, 2006 6:20 PM

Another Somali rapist, this one raped a 13 year old child and the rapist is getting damages from our government:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=421183&in_page_id=1770

Posted by: EnglishBlondie at December 7, 2006 7:05 PM

Islamic authorities in Malaysia have the answer:

Contest seeks women who can best induce sleep in kids and husbands

Ummah News Links

Posted by: ummahnewslinks at December 7, 2006 7:52 PM

"Another Somali rapist, this one raped a 13 year old child and the rapist is getting damages from our government"

A hundred years ago they would have hanged the sonofabitch and no one would have objected.

"O, tempora. O, mores."

Posted by: USBeast at December 7, 2006 8:20 PM

The Urine Nations and Iran's monkey in chief have one thing in common-both keep making more and more absurd statements. I wish they'd have one other thing in common-that all references to them be made in the past tense. The sooner, the better.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 7, 2006 8:24 PM

Damm, feralee you beat me to it. If that statement doesn't describe the Islamic world to a T, then I'll eat a Halal pork burger.

LOL William! As long as you have a halal beer with it too.

The UN is Islam's loyal little lapdog. It only represent its masters - Muslims. It stands for Ummah Nations, not United Nations.

Posted by: feralee at December 7, 2006 8:32 PM

I reject the premise that Islam does not have respect for women.

When rival factions bomb each other’s Mosques, the explosion is often in the women’s section. Car bombs target markets where females shop. The Jews shot down in Seattle were women. Girls are beheaded.

Western powers fighting among themselves make reasonable attempts to avoid targeting women. Many Israeli troops died this summer because of rules of engagement designed to protect women. Muslims aim for them.

It demonstrates a certain amount of respect for the ladies to do so. Men are expendable as only one is necessary to ‘seed’ four or more women. Women are the more valuable targets. And they don’t punch back as hard. In the absence of morality, it makes perfect sense.

Posted by: limes at December 7, 2006 9:00 PM

Women are the more valuable targets.

For your innovative theory to work, Limey, you gotta prove that Moslima Martyrs get 72 11-yr old peach fuzz boys when they go to heaven.

Ain't seen that in the scriptures. In fact, when Moslima dies she just fades away into the black. No rivers of wine, no heavenly school teacher woman-boy orgies.

I've always had a sneaking suspicion that Moslem Man disrespects Moslima.

That's why, every time I pass a Moslima on the street, I casually reach into my satchel and furtively hand her a cold pork chop for the microwave. They always slip it into the burkha and wink me through the eye slit.

Now that's a real womanly woman.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at December 7, 2006 10:39 PM

I’ll bite Piggy;

There’re two reasons to cover a female’s face. One is to respect the dignity of the lady’s character. The other is to allow your dog to respect you. I guess it all depends on the circumstances. Perhaps we can exchange Christmas produce.

Alarmed Citrus Farmer;

Posted by: limes at December 7, 2006 11:12 PM

USBeast, it is terrible in our city, more and more of them come all the time, people here refer to them as 'bio weapons' used against us by the government because of all the rapes and violence.

Posted by: EnglishBlondie at December 7, 2006 11:57 PM

USBeast, it is terrible in our city, more and more of them come all the time, people here refer to them as 'bio weapons' used against us by the government because of all the rapes and violence.

Posted by: EnglishBlondie

I am sorry to hear of this and everything that goes on. I love England. It just saddens and sickens me that the governments all over Europe are allowing this to happen. And I bet there is not a lot of attention to this paid by the media, like here at home. So much of what is happening around the world is not being reported.

Posted by: pigtails not veils at December 8, 2006 2:21 AM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/6161691.stm

Posted by: EnglishBlondie at December 8, 2006 11:49 AM

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006560750,00.html

Posted by: EnglishBlondie at December 8, 2006 12:02 PM

Thank you Pigtails not Veils. We can beat the censorship by posting on here.

Posted by: EnglishBlondie at December 8, 2006 12:23 PM

I don't want to send Hugh and Mr Spencer into shock here, and I know that the misogony is directly from Islam (as cited above from the ahadith and Koran), but I don't think that we should discount the possibility that some of the hatred, violence, rage, etc. have feelings of sexual inadequacy as an aggrevaiting cause. It does make sense if you think about it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/6161691.stm

Posted by: EnglishBlondie at December 8, 2006 12:55 PM

Haven't people learned anything yet? Islam is NEVER to blame. Islam is ALWAYS innocent. Never mind the Banu Qurayza tribe or Khaybar, Islam is still innocent.

Posted by: EliasAlucard at December 8, 2006 1:30 PM

read this story

True story: Following hurricane Katrina, I was traveling in the car with my brother from Florida to Texas. As you can imagine, hotel rooms were in very limited supply.

We managed to find a Comfort Inn in some tiny town at about three in the morning. My brother went in and asked if the clerk if there were any available rooms. The clerk said he had available rooms.

My brother returned to the car for me and our overnight bags. While we waited to be booked into the room (the clerk was actively entering my brother’s information into the computer), we had a conversation that obviously indicated we were not married.

The clerk, who was middle-eastern, immediately stopped typing and told us there were no rooms available. I can’t tell you without a doubt that the man was Muslim, but since they claim to number between one and two billion, it’s a pretty safe bet. What this man did was impose his personal values on others. I’m sure we could have secured a room had I shown the man my license which still bears the same last name as my brother and then explained to him that I’m not allowed to travel without a male family escort.

That would have appealed to his Muslim sense of propriety and would have probably gotten us a suite. We used the restroom and left. I’m not going to support a business that would deny a room to weary travelers following a natural disaster. When we phoned Comfort Inn headquarters to complain, we were told the hotels are individually owned and can make their own rules. Too bad we are white or we could have sued for racial discrimination. How long will it be before women without veils are denied entrance to Muslim owned businesses?

Posted by: StillFedUp at December 8, 2006 1:47 PM

I read a post by sisterinislam1982@yahoo.com and went on her site http://sisterinislam.blogspot.com/ to investigate further. Okay, I admit it, I pushed her buttons and she sent me back an email saying I would be one of the first to be stoned to death when America becomes an islamic state. So I sent her back an email saying her views were screwed up and finally she pulled a Lorena Bobbit on me and responded! Here is the exchange:

Every word you write ensures Allah's wrath against you.

It is always the young women who betray their sisters to be the handmadens of men. They pretty of the young do never speak out against the terror we women face.

Your christian states do not slowly kill rapist men, you let them go after a few years in prison. I would have their penises cut off inch by inch, then their limbs shorn off slowly at each joint, starting with each finger tip. Then I would have their testicals burned. Finally I would have the rest of their body skinned alive and then burned alive. But Allah is mercyful and has the men stoned to death.

RMorgan44@aol.com wrote:
There will be no islamic state sweetheart. It is the muslims who will either wake up to reality and the 21st century or they will be washed away with the sands of time. Allah has mumbled. And your smelly body wrapped in rags is not what real men desire. You are probably some fat broad that clothes do not look good on. You think Mo thought well of women, hell no, he raped a 9 year old child. That's okay with you? You think that this scumbag was looking out after women. Mo just didn't want anyone taking his scum recepticles. I know more about women than you'll ever know, sister stupid. You are primitive in your ideas. You are actually a slave. May the real God protect you from those scurvy muslim men who are cowards and mutants. You and your lot will be driven from this Great Nation!!! One more 911 spells your doom....the mahdi did not come back.....right? That portends your demise, sister stupid. You will be stoned back in your own land. Get out of here while the weather is still travelable. Get it? RM

Posted by: Truthseeker at December 8, 2006 5:36 PM

Thank you Pigtails not Veils. We can beat the censorship by posting on here.

Your welcome English Blondie. I get so much information on these websites and try to spread the word around. Unfortunately, still too many people don't want to listen. I am glad we have this though. I can't imagine what we would do without it.

Posted by: pigtails not veils at December 8, 2006 11:53 PM

Has it occured to the UN that maybe the "political inflexibility, male domination and war" are caused and sanctioned by Islam and Muhammad?

Posted by: non-redneck at December 9, 2006 12:51 AM