As a Torontonian, I'm heartened to receive news that some of our learned judges can still discern wheat from chaff.

From the NatPost piece by S. Bell:

Mr. Al Yamani said yesterday that if Canada insists on deporting him he would ask to go to the town in Israel where his parents had lived. He said he had a "right of return" based on a United Nations resolution.

He said it was wrong to label groups like the PFLP terrorist outfits, comparing them to political parties in Canada. Since Palestinians lack a formal government, they join factions involved in fighting Israel, he said.

"All Palestinian people who want to participate in the just struggle of the Palestinian people have to be affiliated or associated with the political party available to them, like any Canadians who are affiliated with the Liberal party, Bloc Quebecois, Conservatives, Greens, NDP."

I guess this is an awfully fine distinction for the Al-Yamanis (a name which more than suggests that his origins are in Yemen, not "Palestine") of the world to discern, but none of the Canadian political parties he cites, the separatist Bloc included, operates "military wings" in pursuit of political goals.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at December 13, 2006 8:46 AM

That is correct:

All Palestinian people who want to participate in the just struggle of the Palestinian people have to be affiliated or associated with the political party available to them, like any Canadians who are affiliated with the Liberal party, Bloc Quebecois, Conservatives, Greens, NDP."

....THis is because failure to participate it the Various Palestinian militias or groups will cost you your life.

As far as I can tell, Canada does not hold a gun to your head to belong to any particular group.

Posted by: exsgtbrown at December 13, 2006 8:56 AM

Good for Canada-you want to join a terrorist group then go to the ummah. There's plenty of freedom to do so there. Get the hell out already, and take your "organizations" with you.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 13, 2006 9:48 AM

Good! Today I am proud to be Canadian!

God Bless Free World Nations
God Bless America
God Save the Queen

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at December 13, 2006 10:20 AM

"Federal authorities took the first steps toward deporting him in 1992."

Justice delayed is justice denied. The Canadian justice system has been hamstrung by left wing lunatics and Chomsky wannabes.

Posted by: johnb at December 13, 2006 11:03 AM

Blind Squirrel Finds Eichorn!

I am Canadian and am pleasantly surprised at the outcome. Yes, I am cynical.

Posted by: Sir Oinks Alot at December 13, 2006 11:03 AM

This is a good ruling. Find reasonable principles and stick to them; make them reflexive and automatic and informed by public airings early on.

I'm not too worried about the time it took for this to come to a head. There's nothing more important the setting good precedents.

Posted by: pneumatikon at December 13, 2006 11:16 AM

It's far too early to start cheering Cana-duh. The terrorist has yet to be deported. It could take another twenty years before he's out of the country. (It's the same with the nazi war criminals -- they stay and stay and stay -- it takes years and years before all their appeals are exhausted.)

And, speaking of the Dhimmis here, I thought about the other day to follow up on some of these cases -- the ones in which the so-called "victims" are suing the Canadian government. There was one case in which two iranian women were suing the government because they claimed the immigration process was too slow (they claimed that their brother was kept in Iran and tortured and later died. As a result the sisters decided to sue the Canadian immigration board for being "too slow." Thus they blame the Canadian government for their brother's death.)

There are a number of other similar, ridiculous cases. (I also suspect that the Arar fellow will shortly become a multi-millionaire, thanks to Canadian tax-payers and his alleged torture in Syria.)

Many of these cases strike me as means to self-enrichment by pursuing civil litigation (like the professional provocateurs, those "(f)lying imams"). It's "how to be a jihadist" and profit from it.

Posted by: J.S. at December 13, 2006 11:18 AM

in the just struggle of the Palestinian people
what just just struggle the Canadian Bill of Rights allows a lot of freedom but it's not the same legal rights that the USA's Bill of Rights gives , and be quite honest it sucks if you're disabled

Posted by: islamakapigeaters at December 13, 2006 11:39 AM

I heard the start of an interview with this man on CBC Radio last evening. I turned it off fairly quickly; there's only so much I can stand to hear.

On Sunday, I caught the end of Cross Country Checkup on CBC Radio. Rex Murphy was asking for book recommendations.

Rex Murphy welcomed the next caller, Mohammed, to the program.

I thought, "He's going to recommend the Koran". Then I told myself, "Don't be judgmental, give him a chance, wait and see what he recommends, he might surprise you."

Mohammed said, "I recommend the Koran". He recommended the translation by Marmaduke Pickthall. (I love it when I'm right, LOL.)

The caller seemed sincere in his beliefs so I'm not criticizing him for his recommendation. However, the Koran is going to be on the book list when it is posted tomorrow.

http://www.cbc.ca/checkup/booklists.html

My husband said it would have been funny, and good, if the next caller had recommended "The Truth About Muhammad". I only heard the last two callers, so I don't know what other books were recommended.

Posted by: Josephine at December 13, 2006 12:13 PM

If this idiot isn't a citizen why should he have all the rights of one? Put him on a plane and be rid of him already.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 13, 2006 12:59 PM

Now, now, now, ISLAMFORLOSERS -- you must remember that here in Cana-duh the moment anyone sets foot on Canadian soil, he or she is immediately entitled to all the rights of a Canadian citizen. That was established some time ago by our wonderful Dhimmitude (aka the Canadian Supreme Court).

Posted by: J.S. at December 13, 2006 1:10 PM

To Josphine:

About the CBC's (radio) program Cross Country Check-up. I like Rex Murphy (although I no longer listen to CBC radio -- I stopped listening years ago -- about a year or so after 9/11 -- that's when the CBC became a pro-Islamist, pro-jihadist lobby group). Rex Murphy is frequently satirized by his "colleagues" at the CBC (he's made fun of all the time), some of mocking of Rex is due to the fact that he's not sufficiently "leftist" or in love with terrorists.

Anyway, all callers into CBC's programs are screened before-hand. So, the program producers knew full well that the Mo fellow would be hawking the Koran. This is deliberate (along with all the other proseletizing the CBC does on the behalf of Muslims).

Who *would* have been banned is anyone suggesting a title that does not fit with being pro-Muslim. Thus, anyone who would attempt to recommend, say, a book written by Robert Spencer -- well, the caller would never make it on air. That's guaranteed. (LOL, for the antisemites, I guess that's yet more evidence of the "Israeli lobbyists" at work!)

Posted by: J.S. at December 13, 2006 1:51 PM

Now, now, now, ISLAMFORLOSERS -- you must remember that here in Cana-duh the moment anyone sets foot on Canadian soil, he or she is immediately entitled to all the rights of a Canadian citizen. That was established some time ago by our wonderful Dhimmitude (aka the Canadian Supreme Court).

Posted by: J.S. at December 13, 2006 01:10 PM

Looks like Canada and the US share judicial stupidity as well as other things. That's terrible-I was thinking of retiring there in the distant future. Another country wrecked by PC and Dhimmitude. Damn!

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 13, 2006 2:01 PM

J.S. - I like Rex Murphy, too.

You wrote: "...about a year or so after 9/11 -- that's when the CBC became a pro-Islamist, pro-jihadist lobby group..."

I noticed it, too. It's such an obvious bias.

A few months ago, everyone on the CBC (radio & TV) started pronouncing Muslim as "Moose!lim". I'm sure a memo was issued and meetings were held to enforce the new standard pronunciation.

I was aware that callers were pre-screened but hadn't considered whether they would have refused an anti-jihad book recommendation. You're probably correct. Next year, if I'm listening, I'll have to try to get through with a title that represents the anti-jihad point of view.

Posted by: Josephine at December 13, 2006 2:18 PM

This makes me Proud. Canada is a Beautiful , Tolerant, peaceful Country that will not be taken advantage of and degraded by the likes of Terror supporters.

Great News!

Posted by: Concerned Canadian at December 13, 2006 3:32 PM

" Looks like Canada and the US share judicial stupidity as well as other things. That's terrible-I was thinking of retiring there in the distant future. Another country wrecked by PC and Dhimmitude. Damn! "
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS

Well this IS a step in the right direction and sends a good message.

Posted by: Concerned Canadian at December 13, 2006 3:34 PM

Concerned Canadian: Could you elaborate on just what it is you are proud about? The "this" is ambiguous...The terrorist has yet to be deported, so isn't this really a terrorist triumph? -- the terrorist lost round 1, but there are probably another 75,000 rounds left, which could take another 20 or so years, all at tax-payers expense.

ISLAMSFORLOSERS: The Canadian Supreme Court in 1985 (Singh case), ruled that non-Canadians (including illegal immigrants) have the same rights under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms as do citizens...(thus, illegals can have access to legal aid, due process, etc.) From what I've read this is not the case in the United States. I hear that the U.S. Constitution is NOT applicable to non-U.S. citizens (although the so-called "human" rights groups, the American lawyers representing criminals' rights, etc., demand that the U.S. adopt provisions similar to those found here in Canada.)

Also, even though illegals are granted rights, there are rare occasions when the Canadian government can intervene to remove someone who poses a security threat. Again, the pro-terrorist "human" rights groups are all up in arms whenever the govt attempts to use this right to protect Canadian citizens. (it's called a "security certificate" -- these certificates have been around for eons, long before 9/11, and it means that a terrorist or a known criminal can be deported, supposedly right away, and not allowed to stay in Canada.

What occurs in practice, though, is that the terrorist starts screaming, along with his lawyers, that he doesn't want to go back to Muslim country X (where he claims he'll face "torture" or his "rights" are gonna be violated). So, the Canadian government has no choice but to lock up said terrorist (too dangerous to let loose). Then his lawyers have a field day, proclaiming to the jihadist press and the pro-terrorist media that Abu Jihad is being detained illegally and without a trial (all the while, of course, its the lawyers who are keeping their client locked up, since they won't allow him to be deported to his home country.) Next, I'm sure that civil law suits in the millions of dollars are going to be filed. Oh, and the number of "security certificates" issued after 9/11? Five in total.

Posted by: J.S. at December 13, 2006 4:21 PM

" Concerned Canadian: Could you elaborate on just what it is you are proud about? The "this" is ambiguous...The terrorist has yet to be deported, so isn't this really a terrorist triumph? -- the terrorist lost round 1, but there are probably another 75,000 rounds left, which could take another 20 or so years, all at tax-payers expense."

Well, Maybe i'm proud that SOMETHING was done. It's a start. I never said Canada was perfect or acts swiftly and definitively in these matters.

Canada is a Great Nation , but like many Western countries is Mired in Political Correctness.

There IS alot to be proud of here , and a Judge said he has no Merit to stay here. Something is better than nothing.

Are you ashamed of Canada?

Posted by: Concerned Canadian at December 13, 2006 5:42 PM

I'm not going to Rag on my Country because Canada still has to Learn about Islam's true nature. We have not had a Major Terrorist attack here , and i assure if and WHEN we do ,( more on the When side ) Attitudes will change. People are slow to understand things they cannot relate to. Canadians live in a Bubble that will be burst, and Canadians will wake up.

Posted by: Concerned Canadian at December 13, 2006 5:47 PM

As a Canadian I am proud to hear these kinds of remarks and rulings in my country.

This would never have been the case however if we still had the Liberal party ruling this country.

Finally the Conservative party headed by PM Stephen Harper has arrived and is nothing short of a tiny miracle in way to left leaning Canada.

Niv

Posted by: The fanatic at December 13, 2006 5:51 PM

Sometimes, I have to be honest, I am ashamed of Canada (some of what comes out of Ottawa, legislation that's enacted, political statements -- things that Chretien would say as Prime Minister) -- that's a fact. I do not like seeing Canada being used/abused in the way it is (and the terrorists all laughing). It makes me very, very angry. But that's not the same as saying I'm not a patriotic Canadian -- I want to see Canada improved -- made better. And, I don't want to ever see dead and injured Canadians, thanks to lax law enforcement (or an inability of the govt to do its job)which results in some terrorist attack.

Posted by: J.S. at December 13, 2006 6:17 PM

Islamforlosers: I suspect the thing about Canadian law is that rights and protections are couched in terms of persons rather than citizens, as they are down here in the States (and, perhaps, in other Common Law countries). Part of the rationale is that we get to protect foreign investors and legit travellers who are passing through, and, by some unhappy quirk, end up having to go to court either as plaintiffs or defendents. This kind of law, BTW, is one of the things that may well have attracted a lot of Hong Kong Chinese to move to Canada, or at least move their wealth there in the run-up to HK's retrocession to China. It has also attracted a lot of other legitimate investors and immigrants to both of our countries. After all, there's a lot of the world where you aren't really protected if you are not a citizen (even if you're waiting to become one).

Posted by: Kepha at December 13, 2006 8:21 PM

"Individuals that commit crimes against humanity, war crimes, acts of terrorism or pose a threat to Canadian society are not welcome here".

Bravo ! I am proud of Canada today, and as always, grateful that I live in this beautiful country. This may be a tiny step but it is in the right direction, for a change.

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at December 13, 2006 9:10 PM

J.S.,Concerned Canadian,Kepha-

Thanks for the info. It seems that both Canada and the US pay the price for being generous with the protections offered to non-citizens when it comes to our wonderful Islamaniac "visitors". As usual, they must ruin everything and impose hardships on citizens with their wretched behavior. One of these days these protections will probably have to be altered thanks to the abuses caused by these idiots-bringing yet another victory for them.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 13, 2006 11:55 PM

TORONTO - A Beirut-born man who argued he should not be deported because his involvement in a Palestinian terrorist group was a form of "freedom of expression" has lost his bid to remain in Canada.

HOW MUCH did these legal proceedings cost the Canadian taxpayers?? The FEWER of these MO-Foes get into our countries the less money we have to spend on policing them.

We have absolutely NO USE for these folks.

Separationism NOW!

Posted by: germaninamerica at December 14, 2006 12:38 AM

There are a number of other similar, ridiculous cases. (I also suspect that the Arar fellow will shortly become a multi-millionaire, thanks to Canadian tax-payers and his alleged torture in Syria.)

How long until people strat taking the Law in their own hands..?
You MUST not pay this asshat money!!! He's bleeding the taxpayers dry before he even arrives!

WE are not responsible for all the Iranians and other fools from the ME clamoring to get in here. We had wonderful countries.. prosperous and flowering. It took 20 years of MO-Foe invasion for everything to get to this state of judical perversion we currently find ourselves in.

Posted by: germaninamerica at December 14, 2006 12:52 AM

Part of the rationale is that we get to protect foreign investors and legit travellers who are passing through, and, by some unhappy quirk, end up having to go to court either as plaintiffs or defendents. This kind of law, BTW, is one of the things that may well have attracted a lot of Hong Kong Chinese to move to Canada, or at least move their wealth there in the run-up to HK's retrocession to China. It has also attracted a lot of other legitimate investors and immigrants to both of our countries.

This is all well and good. Notice you are talking about HK Chinesee. Just like we have different trading agreements with a variety of countries why wouldn;t it be possible to extend certain protections to "most-favored nations"? The way I'd propose this would be set up is that each nation gets poinys or demerits based on how their citizens behave abroad.

It's quite obvious that Canada for instance, does not benefit financially from the presence of Iranians. But it does benefit from HK Chinese I agree without even researching that one.

islam remains Mankind's one LAST giant hurdle.

IMAGINE.. imgine you wake up tomorrow and islam is completely gone from the world. And you're the only person who ever knew it existed. When you say "koran" they answer you "what's that?"

Wouldn't that be beautiful?!

Posted by: germaninamerica at December 14, 2006 2:04 AM

This is ridiculous. And it happens every time.
Why deport people like this? Isnt it logical to kill or jail them for life? What is the point of doing this? They will find their way back in another way sometime in the future if they really want to. Nothing will stop them.
What a joke, as always.

Posted by: bff at December 14, 2006 4:10 AM

Muslims do not consider participation with a terror group a right--they consider it an obligation

Posted by: exsgtbrown at December 14, 2006 9:48 AM