'The former president'

Upon a quick first scan, I thought it read: 'The former peasant.'

Either way would be correct.... I take that back. Peasants are usually fairly well rooted in Common Sense, as it guides their daily lives.

Posted by: Gary at December 13, 2006 8:50 AM

Dhimmi Carter never met a terrorist he did not like.

Posted by: exsgtbrown at December 13, 2006 8:51 AM

The first and last word on Carter's book probably belongs to Professor Kenneth Stein of Emory University, who has terminated his relationship with the Carter Centre because of the "factual errors, copied materials not cited, superficialities, glaring omissions, and simply invented segments." in Carter's book. Professor Stein conveyed his sentiments via the e-mail below. So far, Carter has simply shrugged off Stein's complaints, insisting that Stein is incorrect and Carter's publishers are trying to attribute this falling-out on Stein's ego.

This note is to inform you that yesterday, I sent letters to President Jimmy Carter, Emory University President Jim Wagner, and Dr. John Hardman, Executive Director of the Carter Center resigning my position, effectively immediately, as Middle East Fellow of the Carter Center of Emory University. This ends my 23 year association with an institution that in some small way I helped shape and develop. My joint academic position in Emory College in the History and Political Science Departments, and, as Director of the Emory Institute for the Study of Modern Israel remains unchanged.

Many still believe that I have an active association with the Center and, act as an adviser to President Carter, neither is the case. President Carter has intermittently continued to come to the Arab-Israeli Conflict class I teach in Emory College. He gives undergraduate students a fine first hand recollection of the Begin-Sadat negotiations of the late 1970s. Since I left the Center physically thirteen years ago, the Middle East program of the Center has waned as has my status as a Carter Center Fellow. For the record, I had nothing to do with the research, preparation, writing, or review of President Carter's recent publication. Any material which he used from the book we did together in 1984, The Blood of Abraham, he used unilaterally.

President Carter's book on the Middle East, a title too inflammatory to even print, is not based on unvarnished analyses; it is replete with factual errors, copied materials not cited, superficialities, glaring omissions, and simply invented segments. Aside from the one-sided nature of the book, meant to provoke, there are recollections cited from meetings where I was the third person in the room, and my notes of those meetings show little similarity to points claimed in the book. Being a former President does not give one a unique privilege to invent information or to unpack it with cuts, deftly slanted to provide a particular outlook. Having little access to Arabic and Hebrew sources, I believe, clearly handicapped his understanding and analyses of how history has unfolded over the last decade. Falsehoods, if repeated often enough become meta-truths, and they then can become the erroneous baseline for shaping and reinforcing attitudes and for policy-making. The history and interpretation of the Arab-Israeli conflict is already drowning in half-truths, suppositions, and self-serving myths; more are not necessary. In due course, I shall detail these points and reflect on their origins.

The decade I spent at the Carter Center (1983-1993) as the first permanent Executive Director and as the first Fellow were intellectually enriching for Emory as an institution, the general public, the interns who learned with us, and for me professionally. Setting standards for rigorous interchange and careful analyses spilled out to the other programs that shaped the Center's early years. There was mutual respect for all views; we carefully avoided polemics or special pleading. This book does not hold to those standards. My continued association with the Center leaves the impression that I am sanctioning a series of egregious errors and polemical conclusions which appeared in President Carter's book. I can not allow that impression to stand.

Through Emory College, I have continued my professional commitment to inform students and the general public about the history and politics of Israel, the Middle East, and American policies toward the region. I have tried to remain true to a life-time devotion to scholarly excellence based upon unvarnished analyses and intellectual integrity. I hold fast to the notion that academic settings and those in positions of influence must teach and not preach. Through Emory College, in public lectures, and in OPED writings, I have adhered to the strong belief that history must presented in context, and understood the way it was, not the way we wish it to be.

In closing, let me thank you for your friendship, past and continuing support for ISMI, and to Emory College. Let me also wish you and your loved ones a happy holiday season, and a healthy and productive new year.

As ever,
Ken

Dr. Kenneth W. Stein,
Professor of Contemporary Middle Eastern History, Political Science,
and Israeli Studies,
Director, Middle East Research Program and
Emory Institute for the Study of Modern Israel
Atlanta, Georgia

Posted by: waterdragon52 at December 13, 2006 8:55 AM

The only surprise here is that some seem to be surprised. There is nothing Carter did at Camp David, as he pushed Begin to make concession after concession, and even surprised Sadat in his willingness to demand for the Arab side what Sadat himself saw only as an opening bargaining position. Ably assisted by that other classic case, Zbigniew Brzezinski, exhibiting the same symptoms of the same mental pathology, Carter not only was fixated on squeezing Israel, back in 1978-79, but so very concentrated that he had no time to see what was happening in Iran, no time to note the rise of the Muslim fanatics who wanted to overthrow the most tolerant and most hopeful regime in the Muslim Middle East, that of the Shah of Iran. The Shah's regime was corrupt, but hardly more corrupt than any among the Muslim states in the area; it simply had more money than most of them to spread around, and unlike Saudi Arabia, where it is not so much corruption at court as direct diversion of the oil income in that All-in-the-Family Plan by which Al-Saud members get to take many tens of billions a year, because you see they are Al-Saud members and no other explanation is needed).

And so nothing was done to help the Shah, and the Khomeini regime came to power, and from that all kinds of trouble has flowed -- trouble which, at this point, can now be turned, at long last, to our, Infidel, advantage if things are done right, but that is no reason not to deplore the thirty years of trouble that Jimmy Carter, who "remade the Middle East," our worst President, caused.

Jimmy "I'm sick and tired of hearing about the Holocaust" Carter never found out, never wanted to find out, what the Mandate for Palestine was all about. He never wanted to find out what the legal, historic, and moral claims of the Jews to that small sliver were. Strange, considering he had been and continued to be a Bible-reader, but his antisemitism trumped that. He never wanted to find out, either, when the "Palestinian people" were invented, or why -- even though he was an adult when that phrase suddenly appeared, and knew perfectly well it was a made up for political reasons.

He deserves to be painted by Dickens: holier-than-thou, wearing his holier-than-thouness on his sleeve, and essentially evil. Some punishment appropriate -- a condign punishment --needs to be found. But start with simple emotions. Contempt. Disgust. Hatred.

Posted by: Hugh at December 13, 2006 9:05 AM

God, how I wish Menachem Begin were still alive. I'd love to hear his reaction to this senile fool's constant Israel bashing.

Carter was one of the worst one term presidents ever (possibly THE worst)-why does the world continue to fawn all over this idiot? As bad as he was as president he's been even worse as a man of the world. Say what you will about Nixon-at least after he left office he managed to make sensible statements on world affairs. I've yet to hear anything sensible coming out of peanut brain's mouth. Somehow, I have a feeling he would make a fine dinner companion for Iran's chief simian, despite Satan Khomeini's deep hatred of him. Perhaps Khomeini's hatred was indeed justified after all.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 13, 2006 9:56 AM

Little known fact among media types is just how hated Jimmy Carter was in Europe and how ridiculed for his naivety and stupidity.

It probably does not help the media to think of what contempt Carter was held in especially with loons like Andrew Young at the UN and Hamilton Jordan and the way Carter watched the USSR march into Afghanistan, Khomeini take over The Peacock Throne; and Fidel Castro fly Cuban troops via Canadian refuelling stops to tramp all around Mozambique and Angola whilst NATO ally Portugal got turned upside down by an attempted Communist takeover.

Those were the years when Europeans thought the US was going to lose to the USSR

Posted by: Voyager at December 13, 2006 10:05 AM

Everybody will have to forgive little johnny--he was born without a brain.

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at December 13, 2006 10:22 AM

I think the Peanut Farmer should write another book. The book should address what Putin's doing in Chechnya (with some provocative title such as "Vlad Putin and the Genocide of Hapless Muslims"). Yeah, let's see how long Carter would last.

Oh, but then that would require a level of courage that the cowardly Peanut Farmer does not possess.

Posted by: J.S. at December 13, 2006 11:05 AM

The problem is that the media (including Fox) let people like Carter and Baker, who take millions and millions from Arab sources, discuss their "research" to a national audience without disclosing their financial conflict of interest. Watching Carter give his puppy-eyed look while discussing the plight of the Palestinians would have an entirely different conotation if the audience was first reminded of his links to Arab states. Ditto for Baker and the ISG Report.

Before discussing any issue, all politicians and commentators should be asked to disclose their relationship, financial and otherwise, to any parties involved in hot-button issues such as the Middle East.

Posted by: bluezion at December 13, 2006 11:18 AM

Mr. Carter has never been the brightest guy around and given how he wanted the Oval Office it is unsurprising that he was able to hide his anti-Semitic pro-Arab feelings for so long and being an ex-president gives him a pullpit from which he can act like the elder statesman is not. It is not surprising how the people in the left Coast a.k.a. the People's Republic of California it seems latest fad is bashing state of Israel.hell it is a place that Iran's thug in chief would be welcome

Posted by: islamakapigeaters at December 13, 2006 11:24 AM

I must admit that I decided to read the book with as open a mind as possible notwithstanding its title. What surprises me most is not his conclusion, but the method in which he reaches his conclusion. His statements of fact are at minimum selective and bordering on intentionally misleading. But the strangest thing is that he seems to believe every bit of nonsense the arabs fed him while ignoring or assessing as inacurate all the objective evidence and evidence of even other Presidents (Clinton)on the subject. The fact that he actually believes Arafat was willing to agree to a 2 state solution is an absurd conclusion based on any real analysis of fact. While not a great President, I used to admire Carter for his "Statesmanship". Unfortunately that is no longer the case. Are there human rights abuses in the Territories? You bet. Are some committed by Israel? Sure there are. Carter seems to be another of a growing list on the left of people who think you can fight an immoral enemy, bent on your ownanhiilation, using kindness and chivalry.

Posted by: Purveyor of truth at December 13, 2006 11:27 AM

Purveyor:

Carter's selective analysis is not suprising in light of the money her receives from the Arabs.

Posted by: bluezion at December 13, 2006 11:41 AM

"God, how I wish Menachem Begin were still alive. I'd love to hear his reaction to this senile fool's constant Israel bashing."
-- from a posting above

But Menachem Begin himself was a sentimental fool during his so-called "negotiations" -- that is, the bullying that he was subjected to, and to which all he had, by way of consolation, was his oft-repeated belief that "they really like me." Begin did not know what was happening to him, did not understand what Carter was all about, did not comprehend -- not a bit -- what that blend of antisemitism from the American president and the wily Al-Hudaibiyya business of Saint Sadat amounted to: a false peace, a mere "hudna," that would be the result of intolerable and completely unnecessary Israeli concessions, squeezed out of Begin who had no idea, as so few Israelis do (they are not well-led), how to present the legal, historic, and moral claims of Israel, by reference to well-established general principles, such as the disposition of territory after wars of self-defense are won, and by reference to specific histories, including the history of the Sinai, almost all of which became "historic Egyptian territory" only in 1922 (see, on this, the map in Col. Meinertzhagen's Diary). Most people do not realize that there was no obligation to yield the Sinai; Begin certainly didn't. His performance was, from first to last, appalling.

Posted by: Hugh at December 13, 2006 11:42 AM

Hugh-

True, Begin's performance was less than brilliant. However, if he were still around today I would hope that he would have finally figured it out by now and give Carter the verbal beating he richly deserves. He most likely would be unhappy about how even more pro-palestinian Carter has become with the passing years. The way Carter's going if he lives to be 90 he might actually convert and start dressing like Arafat. I'm hoping he at least moves to Gaza and stays there permanently-they could use the help in building homes after all the destruction in that miserable place.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 13, 2006 11:59 AM

Carter still remains for me our weakest president ever in the 20th Century. Carter was the President who ignored the the requests for help from the Shah of Iran in 1979 and simply turned his back and allowed the exiled Ayatolla Khomeini to return to Iran from Paris, foolishly believing that this was the best path for Iran. Thus began the amazing anti-American transformation of Iran into an anti-American terrorist state starting with the take over of the American Embassy in Tehran in 1979. Before that we where actually training Iranian pilots in the United States and had a good working relationship with the majority of the Iranian people.

Fact is, Carter has long since appeared to have joined the Israel-hating left — where true anti-Semitism resides today. In so doing, Carter has joined a long line of those who, like ex-Attorney General Ramsey Clark, Noam Chomsky and Michael Moore, see Israel as the root of all evil.

Posted by: Mackie at December 13, 2006 12:03 PM

Discussion and debate don't matter much these days - even if it were true (and of course its not) that pro-Israelis dominate the discourse.

The MSM sound-bites, the catch-phrases and lies repeated ad nauseum, the photo-ops, the barrage of fauxtography and staged events outrageously favor the so-called Palestinians and has for decades. The Palestinians have made themselves more 'photogenic'.

The photos of blown up Israeli buses - are so nightmarish the MSM won't let you see them. I did see them once on a website. I particularly remember an old woman's leg, still in its orthopedic 'sensible' shoe attached with gore to a bus seat - the rest of her - gone. Then there was the headless baby.... all not even worth a footnote from our compassionate ex president.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at December 13, 2006 12:30 PM

"Before that we were actually training Iranian pilots in the United States..."
-- from a posting above

Yes, I remember taking a bus ride from a certain point X to a certain point Y, and being the only American on that bus, which was otherwise full of Iranian army officers and men who were here for training. And this was in late 1978 or possibly even in 1979, and when I expressed nervousness about the situation in Iran, they all assured me, with one voice, that they were all "ready to die for the Shah." I wonder.

Posted by: Hugh at December 13, 2006 12:35 PM

Carter still remains for me our weakest president ever in the 20th Century. Carter was the President who ignored the the requests for help from the Shah of Iran in 1979 and simply turned his back and allowed the exiled Ayatolla Khomeini to return to Iran from Paris, foolishly believing that this was the best path for Iran. Thus began the amazing anti-American transformation of Iran into an anti-American terrorist state starting with the take over of the American Embassy in Tehran in 1979. Before that we where actually training Iranian pilots in the United States and had a good working relationship with the majority of the Iranian people.

Posted by: Mackie at December 13, 2006 12:03 PM

You think it's bad how US-Iranian relations collapsed upon the arrival of Satan Khomeini-the collapse of Iran's relations with Israel was probably even more astounding. Iran was basically the only Muslim country to have anything to do with Israel and both nations cooperated on many levels. Neither side threatened to wipe the other out. Satan Khomeini suddenly demonized Israel (the "Little Satan") and here we are today. A pity that most Iranians don't realize what good relations their nation once had with their now bitter enemy thanks to the poisonous influence of the mule-ahs.

As for Jimmy Peanuts I agree-the man lucked his way into the presidency and was terrible. However, as bad as he was I don't think he could have done much to stop Satan Khomeini's rise to power-that's what the Iranians wanted. I suspect they didn't expect things to turn out as badly as they have and are regretting it on a daily basis.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 13, 2006 12:36 PM

Sacred Cows that can't be spoken of, a small list:

After we were attacked on 9-11, Bush was afraid to criticize almost anyone except in abstract terms.

We are in a Global War on Terror, because we are afraid to say who or what we are fighting.

We may give up and come home, because the public isn't told by our leaders who attacked us and who we are fighting.

Those who criticize Islam are attacked and are at jeapardy to lose their jobs or be thrown out of their political party.

The president's brother leads the way on this.

His other brother hangs out with Boris Berezovsky, but that's ok, that's for money.

Jim Baker is the defense lawyer for Saudi Arabia in the 9-11 suit, and then heads a commission which tells us we have no reason to be in Iraq except to stabilize it.

search on word goal in Baker Hamilton report

Baker and Hamilton on TV over and over say they didn't have a mandate to look at anything but Iraq, so they couldn't analyze the wider regional conflict or goals.

Then in their report they say that Israel should give up the Golan Heights.

Baker Hamilton Fallacies

Baker Botts has pipeline deals all over the Middle East and Central Asia. James Baker IV, the sone of James Baker III heads the Washington office of Baker Botts and his web page is full of references to these deals.

Excerps of Jim Baker IV's web page and links to it and Baker Botts pipeline deal

A 28 page report linking Saudi Arabia to 9-11 can't be published but a summary is leaked by LA Times and NY Times saying the Saudi government knew. Hamilton Kean looks at the same info and says they can't find any link between Saudi Arabia and 9-11. Similar remarks apply to Pakistan.

The head of NATO in Afghanistan, a Brit, flies to Pakistan to complain in 2006 of Pakistani support of the Taliban against our troops. The US head of NATO says he would be fired if he was an American general.

Pakistan is building a new nuclear reactor to mass build smaller nukes that will go on the heads of missiles on subs. They have a shipyard to produce subs.

North Korea is building nukes and apparently this exceeds our attention span to keep track of, so we just forget it.

C. Rice says Turkey should be let in the EU despite its history of genocide of Christians and present day discrimination that is widely popular.

Illegal immigrants kill 9,000 Americans a year from drunk driving and criminal attacks.

source on illegals killing statistics

China has stolen our stealth and late generation night vision. Our early generation night vision is given to them for free. To say stop bringing them here to take this is called racism and bigotry. That night vision ends up in the hands of insurgents who use it to maim and kill our troops.

Even the words Islamofascism, War on Terror, etc. are criticized as hurting the feelings of those who attacked us or fund them.

Posted by: Old Atlantic at December 13, 2006 2:23 PM

jimmy carter must have an implant making him a robot. they should kick this robot out of the s. baptist convention

Posted by: god at December 13, 2006 2:51 PM

Jimmy Carter, what planet are you on? Seriously . . .

Posted by: Matt at December 13, 2006 3:26 PM

And here is what I think of ol' Zhimu: .

Posted by: pythagoras at December 13, 2006 4:13 PM

I guess we have here a very good example of what happens to people who have been farming peanuts too long...

Posted by: pythagoras at December 13, 2006 4:14 PM

Robert said:

"It's impossible for any candidate for Congress to make a statement like 'I favor balanced support of Israel and Palestine,' " he said.
Arrant nonsense, but in any case, such a statement is like saying "I favor balanced support of Poland and Nazi Germany."

I wasn't aware that Nazi Germany was occupied by Poland!?

All reason is thrown out the window when the Palestinian question is raised on this site.

Posted by: schmegel at December 13, 2006 4:57 PM

Samwise Gamgee was right, Frodo: you should have offed schmegel while you had the chance.

Posted by: Gary at December 13, 2006 5:59 PM

"Begin did not know what was happening to him, did not understand what Carter was all about, did not comprehend -- not a bit -- what that blend of antisemitism from the American president and the wily Al-Hudaibiyya business of Saint Sadat amounted to: a false peace, a mere "hudna," that would be the result of intolerable and completely unnecessary Israeli concessions, squeezed out of Begin who had no idea, as so few Israelis do (they are not well-led), how to present the legal, historic, and moral claims of Israel, by reference to well-established general principles, such as the disposition of territory after wars of self-defense are won, and by reference to specific histories, including the history of the Sinai, almost all of which became "historic Egyptian territory" only in 1922 (see, on this, the map in Col. Meinertzhagen's Diary)."

Hugh, that may well be your longest sentence yet.

It is interesting to note that Sadat paid for making this "false peace" with his life.

Apparently someone didn't get the memo.

Posted by: USBeast at December 13, 2006 7:49 PM

schmegel:

Not so. There has been a constituent population of Jews in what is today Israel for at least 3000 years. Muslims can not make a similar claim as there was no Islamic community in existence 1000 years BC, as there was with the Jews in Israel.

The Palestinians who claim Israel is THEIRS and Islamic belong to a "religion" that was officially founded in the sixth century AD.
Common sense would indicate that the Jews' claim is the stronger one since they have been living on the territory for over 1000 years longer.

Common sense would also indicate that the Palestianians (who have never realized that the correct term for a resident of Palestine is "Philistine" and NOT "Palestinian") invaded Israel and squatted on the Jews' land. And if we look at historical accounts, it turns out that in the 6th century AD, the Arab jihadist armies indeed overran the entirety of the then-Christian Middle East lands and conquered all of them except Israel. The Palestinians are descendants of those Arab jihadists. No less than "president" Yasser Arafat was an Egyptian national who pretended to be a "Palestinian."

You lose.

PS-Would YOU abandon your homeland in favor of ideological squatter-warriors?? If so, then YOU go ahead and do it. But leave the Jews out of it.

Posted by: pythagoras at December 13, 2006 7:57 PM

To those posters who noted Carter is dumb. Carter wasn't dumb; he isn't dumb. He may have been one of the smarter presidents. His 'problem' is the Jews. That's it. It isn't Israel, the occupation. He hates Israel as a proxy for the Jews. I don't think he was able to tolerate Ed Koch's flirtation with the Gipper back when Ron was running for President back in '80. He may have gone a wee bit too far this time, so he recently prayed with his 'Jewish brothers.' I'm sure he was sincere. Jimmy. And why did he quit the Southern Baptist Organization. Yes, he is a Baptist, but he made a public show of quitting the official organization, saying it was too harsh on women in terms of their 'devotion' to their husbands. I think that's a bunch of bull as well! He couldn't quite stomach that his fellow Southern Baptists are so openly pro-Israel. Don't be too hard on Jimmy. It can't be easy on his pallate to see many prominent Southern Baptists visiting Israel in her time of need, showing ceaseless support for Israel and her people. Jimmy voted with his feet. Jimmy was recently chastised for being an anti-semite on C-Span. He looked rather hissy after this organization.

I don't hate Jews, just Israel. Some of my best friends . . . Gerald Rafshoon are . . . . Right. I've got one thing to say to Jimmy: open the window, it stinks.

Posted by: biorabbi at December 13, 2006 8:31 PM

Dhimmi Khadr strikes [out] again. In 1980, like so many other Americans in my class, I winced at the idea of Reagan as president. But after 4 years of Jimmy Khadr, I punched a ballot for the Gipper. In 1984, when I was living in Taiwan, I took pains to get an absentee ballot, and when I voted again for Reagan, I heard drums pounding and saw Old Glory waving in my head. Had Scottie Reston of the NYSlimes been there as I marked the ballot, I would have cheerfully given him the flying fickle finger of fate.

Why doesn't Dhimmi Khadr note that in traditional Islamic jurisprudence, the segregation of Dhimmi was mandated lest they render Muslims unclean? That sounds a lot more like Apartheid to me.

Posted by: Kepha at December 13, 2006 8:41 PM

"Before that we were actually training Iranian pilots in the United States..."
-- from a posting above

"Yes, I remember taking a bus ride from a certain point X to a certain point Y, and being the only American on that bus, which was otherwise full of Iranian army officers and men who were here for training. And this was in late 1978 or possibly even in 1979, and when I expressed nervousness about the situation in Iran, they all assured me, with one voice, that they were all "ready to die for the Shah." I wonder."
---from Hugh's Post above

Hugh,
Take it easy on them. Most of the military pilots either fled the country or were thrown in prison. While some pilots were awaiting execution that had already befallen a number of their comrades, Iraq started flying raids against Iran, and these pilots were released to fly missions in their F-4s, F-14s, and F-5s against the Iraqis. The fact that they defended their country/countrymen is not shameful. The fact that they did so after being sentenced to death by that same country is not shameful.
To repeat, the Iranian Air Force had very few pilots available to defend Iran in 1980, as most had fled the country or were being held as enemies of the state. They were in a difficult situation, and I wouldn't besmirch thier vow and their honor without taking that into consideration.

Posted by: WC at December 13, 2006 10:26 PM

"horrible, despicable human rights abuses" are occurring in Israeli-occupied Palestinian territories.

True. Palestinian Muslims have attacked Palestinian Christians and try to indoctrinate the children of Palestinians with Islamist propaganda at PA schools in the West Bank and Gaza. Christian missionary organizations also get attacked. Muslims who leave Islam live in fear of being killed and are sometimes killed if it's found out that they converted to Christianity.

Wait, you mean those aren't what Carter was talking about? Silly me.

Posted by: non-redneck at December 14, 2006 12:27 AM

Charles Darwin's theory of survival of the fittest cannot be correct if a low life like Jimmy Carter has managed to survive.

Posted by: M.O.T. at December 14, 2006 2:10 AM

His name is not Dhimmi Carter.
His name is "Djamel Carter!"
He has secretly reverted, figuring he can better serve the Ummah this way! How else can you explain all the policies he promulgated? Allow the Shah to be toppled by the Ayatollas. Help the Taliban fight the Russkies and take over Afghanistan. Make the Jews give back the Sinai. Get a Palestinian contra state going. He is a revert! Allahu Akbar!

Posted by: David England at December 14, 2006 7:51 AM

Dhimmi Carter could not defend his country, his policies, his speeches or his book against anyone who strives to seek the truth.

There is power in truth. The power deserves a vehicle to deliver it.

I find such a vehicle in this website.

Posted by: exsgtbrown at December 14, 2006 8:35 AM

Schmegol,
Let's just swap in France for Poland. Whose side were you on? The poor demonized Nazis or the French occupiers of the Alsace?

Who's side: Nazis or Czechs, holding so unjustly onto the Arian sudetenland?

Posted by: mountainecho at December 14, 2006 9:09 PM

Still waiting for Jimmy the peanutfarmer Carter to just shut up and retire. Has caused more damage then we would care to know about.
Good night Jimmah!!! Please go away now!

Posted by: pigtails not veils at December 14, 2006 11:48 PM