Pakistan is a fine example of how unworkable the Muslim laws are: the ridiculous nonsense about four witnessess - which if the rape victim fails to provide, she is charged with adultery and stoned!
Such "laws" never work in reality. The rich can bribe people, rape victims never dare to come out and reveal the rapes, and rapists extort money ad walk free.
As for the 'Land of the Pure'(a name used to distinguish it form the 'impure Hindus') being a free sex zone, it very much is in terms of homosexual conduct - this is also true of Afghanistan. In the absence of sexual contact with women, there is a huge amount of such activity going on - this has been confirmed by many international observers.

Posted by: chinubhai86 at December 17, 2006 8:39 AM

Spakistan is more of a free sex zone than the west is....

The minority groups no longer report rape because they are tired of teenagers in prison with a baby because their employer raped them....

It is not uncommon for priviliged spakistani males to criticise the decadent west and then brag about their sexual exploites with female servants....

Posted by: exposesithlords at December 17, 2006 8:56 AM

Initially, I wasn't clear why I am against Sharia law in rape cases. Now I am fully clear: to use Sharia law (four male witnesses' testimony) in rape and adultery cases will mean rapists will rarely be convicted and this will surely turn Pakistan into a 'free-sex zone'.

Posted by: FreedomSeeker33 at December 17, 2006 10:22 AM

"Declaring the act un-Islamic, they said it would promote obscenity and convert Pakistan into a “free-sex zone”.

What he meant to say was, "they said it would promote obscenity and convert Pakistan into a “free-sex zone --for everybody!"

Only the "devout" should be able to punish a rape victim by having an orgasm and implanting their vile seed into the victim! When do we establish the Turbaned Turd award?

Posted by: Kemaste at December 17, 2006 11:01 AM

FreedomSeeker33,

Initially, I wasn't clear why I am against Sharia law in rape cases.

To make it even clearer, it is four sane, adult, pious male witnesses to the actual penetration.

This is yet another example of where even the Qur'an wasn't evil enough to satisfy the hatred and bloodlust against women it inspires. This started with the story of Aisha being accused of zina (adultery) and the accusers were punished for not having four witnesses. Note the flip-flop. Now the rape victim is treated as though she is accusing the rapist(s) of zina upon herself.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at December 17, 2006 11:42 AM

Bologna, they're just worried about being on top.

On top across the board, in all ways.

Why, just who are they calling the shots?

Why, little old coots, bullies because no one else has challenged them - old men that have the young bantams doing the work for them.The work of killing themselves - running off to kill others - the work of beating and murdering their womenfolk.

Someone recently said:

"Those in power will NEVER give up an iota of it -they live and breathe guarding their treasure - with one eye open, always. Power will never be given up willingly -not one piece, not one iota of it - it must be TAKEN."

And the famous black abolitionist, Frederick Douglass: " Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them."

He also said: "I prayer for 20 yrs and nothing happened until I prayed with my legs."

But you can see that the slavery and suppression in the ME is evern worse than in the Amer. South - for them the field slaves were left alone to sing - and to cry their pain and sorrow.

This islam is even worse - the slaves are the other half of a culture - and they are forced to be mute.

We can talk and talk and discuss and even think of having christian missionaries and churches opened, but unless the slave yearns for freedom and is open and ready to run, there is never going to be a change. The abused, the women - have to link arms to resist - but right now they even do their master's work for them - they slaighter and kill other women - abuse their own girls.

Nothing can change until there are Harriet Tubmans of their own culture - ready to go in and take their own people to freedom.

This is happening in - or was happening in Afghanistan - where the women were really doing something - the abuse of millennia hd gone on long enough - they tried - until the U.S> stepped in and blocked the Freedom Movement - the U.S> allowed the Northern Alliance in - these men wre the rabble and psychos - more rapacious than the Taliban. The Northern Alliance swept through and took and raped more women than the local Taliban - who at least protected their property.

The only thing is to put our money where our mouth is and contribute to the organizations that are run by women for women. The Abolitionists contributed money at that time.

It's obvious those passing laws on the federal level or local level - don't much care about the common people. While we live in houses, they live in mansions. What effects us will not effect them - because they have the funds and the power to get away with a great deal more than we will or do today. This is not new - and you know that Saudi "princes" get away with much more than the muleskinners there.

So frankly, we can never count on the lawmakers - they will only betray us even more. We can't sit back and say "Oh, they will handle this or not allow this, " THEY DON'T CARE!

And we can't even count on the church helping - they're JUST as greedy as the next man. To them - like the presbytarians or whatever, that sold the land and the building to an islamic org.- it's just business to them - but it's never business to the islamics. Because the owners of the building are far removed from the effects. Now the islamics move in - and the townspeople will have the problem and have to deal with it.

We can only count on ourselves - we are the support base of the entire system of THIS CULTURE.

I like to have doors opened for me.

Allat

Posted by: allat at December 17, 2006 12:43 PM

And I want to add something. The islamics have a very clear view of what future they want..or rather the males, the women have no say. Their intentions are clear and plain.

Do you have an idea of what you wnat for the future?

The bibles is no good- don't even go there - that's the past - of what "history" has passed.

We all have to really sit down and write our dreams and hopes are and have a clear picture in our minds.

I dream of children with bright clothing - in a woodland meadow - laughing and running and shrieking with glee.

According to Quantum Physics, it's called "the Observer Effect." We are creating our future right now, by our own thoughts. OUR WILL AND INTENT - THEN BROUGHT INTO ACTION

Allat

Posted by: allat at December 17, 2006 12:50 PM

All the Pakistani Muslim scholars are after is the nine year olds in their madrassers!

Posted by: IceDragon at December 17, 2006 1:18 PM

"free sex zone"

I'll give it a miss, I like women without the moustache

The feisty Sister Ruth has more sex appeal than a pak brothel promoting (un)happy hour.

Posted by: rudekid at December 17, 2006 3:35 PM

Are we sure the Taliban isn't yet running Pakistan? Sure seems like it when these idiots try to kill even the most modest of proposals.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 17, 2006 8:11 PM

Islam is a patriarchal tribal religion. Western women are now converting to Islam. They should be forewarned; Koran, chapter and verse, detail many cruel outcomes for female skeptics or casual believers. Women are fully subservient to men, and they must have absolute faith in the religion. If they fall short, then their punishment is severe.

Chapter 4: Verse 56 English translation
we shall soon put those who disbelieve in our signs into the fire; whenever their skins are cooked we shall change them for new skins so they may taste the punishment; indeed Allah is almighty, wise.
those who reject our signs, we shall soon cast into the fire: as often as their skins are roasted through, we shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the penalty: for Allah is exalted in power, wise.
lo! those who disbelieve our revelations, we shall expose them to the fire. as often as their skins are consumed we shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment. lo! Allah is ever mighty, wise.

Posted by: SFOD at December 17, 2006 8:19 PM

Posted by: StillFedUp

OT, news in dhimmi britain

A nun was convicted of religious harassment after ranting against 'terrorist' Muslims in the middle of London's busy Oxford Street.

It may be OT but I feel it is not out of place to paste the whole article here

UK News
News Headlines

A nun was convicted of religious harassment after ranting against 'terrorist' Muslims in the middle of London's busy Oxford Street.

Sister Ruth Augustus, 66, was fined £200 after she shouted at two women in full robes and veils "you're probably terrorists, get back to your own country".

Later she told cops who arrested her they should go back to Iraq and have their heads chopped off.

City of Westminster Magistrates Court heard how trouble flared when Augustus, a missionary who has worked with prostitutes in the developing world, was handing out prayer leaflets outside Debenhams department store on Easter Tuesday.

When people of Muslim appearance passed she called out "Jesus loves Muslims," but two ladies in traditional dress took offence.

Fellow leafleter, Tony Rollins, told the court: "The ladies answered back and told her shut her stupid mouth.

"Sister Ruth said to them 'you're probably terrorists, get back to your own country'. They gave her a long, hard stare before walking away.

"I was cringing at what she said. It made me feel very uneasy."

WPC Natasha Walker said she heard a 'commotion' outside the shop and went to investigate.

The officer said: "I heard someone shouting 'terrorists, terrorists' more than once. It's busy on Oxford Street, so she must have been shouting really loud.

"I turned round and noticed there were a group of people standing outside Debenhams. Sister Augustus was shouting 'terrorists' repeatedly and other things about Muslims.

"I asked her to stop, but she refused. She said 'I will not stop, I'm a nun'.

"Because she refused to stop I arrested her. She said 'You're not arresting me, I'm a nun. It's a waste of tax payers' money. You're arresting me because you're a Muslim.'"

WPC Walker called for for colleagues to help bundle the 'agitated and aggressive' into the back of the police van.

WPC Keeley Pemberton said when she arrived she heard Augustus shouting at PC Walker "Take your dirty hands off me, you're a Muslim."

After a night in police cells Augustus was bailed to return to Marylebone Police Station in June, but when her solicitor didn't show, she launched into another tirade, it was said.

She called the two officers morons, referred to one as 'WPC Muslim Walker', and shouted in the public waiting area "This is a Muslim country full of terrorists," the court heard.

WPC Pemberton said Augustus became increasingly 'agitated and abusive'.

She said: "I asked her to be quiet and she shouted 'Go back to Iraq' and was pointing at WPC Walker. She said it very aggressively.

"Then she looked at me and said 'You should go with her and both of you will get your heads chopped off'."

WPC Walker said: "She said to me 'you should go back to Iraq where you belong, where all the terrorists are. You are likely to be beheaded. You deserve it'."

When she was arrested again she ranted at officers "You're all morons, especially that Muslim - she's a chimpanzee and she needs to go back to the zoo with the other chimpanzees," WPC Pemberton said.

Augustus, who represented herself after sacking her lawyer early in the proceedings, was frequently told to be quiet as she heckled the witnesses.

While giving evidence, she insisted on wearing a large placard with a picture of Jesus on it round her neck.

She claimed she had in fact suggested to the officers that they should stop wasting time on her and instead go out and catch paedophiles and rapists, or go out to Iraq to help our troops fight terrorists.

Augustus accused police of "religious bigotry and hatred" and claimed she was handled roughly, locked in a cell when she was ill, and strip-searched in the street.

She said: "I was responding to extreme provocation. The police were abusing me and were acting in a most satanic, brutal and unprofessional manner. I felt entitled to call them chimpanzees because that is how they were behaving."

The reference to beheading she said was in reference to the catholic missionary Margaret Hassan, who was kidnapped and murdered by insurgents.

Augustus, of Kensington, was found guilty of two charges of religiously aggravated harassment.

District Judge Emma Arbuthnot told her: "I have no doubt at all that Sister Augustus's behaviour amounted to religiously aggravated harassment.

"This was extremely upsetting and rude behaviour which harassed and alarmed not just the officers but others who were around at the time.

"It is clear from her behaviour today that she was an extremely difficult defendant to deal with. The officers I'm sure dealt with her as best they could and cannot be criticised."

She was fined a total of £200 plus £40 court costs. The judge told the pensioner: "By rights you should pay compensation but I'm not going to make you as you are not in a position to pay any more."

Augustus replied: "It's a disgrace. If this is British justice, I'm going back to Africa. They are more civilised there." She vowed to appeal against her conviction in the highest court

Posted by: shiva at December 17, 2006 10:56 PM

I wish that posting about the Nun in London was on its own posting because then I could comment on it.

Suffice to say... poor thing... that does seem to be a very real mental problem..

Anyway how about back to topic?

Posted by: payingattention at December 18, 2006 5:04 AM

So this idea that providing greater protection for Pakistani women against rape constitutes a creation of a free sex zone appears to me to be this reverse logic I am reading more and more in Islamic statements.

Posted by: payingattention at December 18, 2006 5:05 AM

I recall Michael Savage saying once,that he felt the Muslims greatest fear of the Western World was western pornography..

Imagine Mo coming home last one night and finding junior watching the Playboy Channel..

We can hear the scream now.

Alllllllahhhhhhhh Akbaaaaaaaaar.

Posted by: exsgtbrown at December 18, 2006 7:47 AM

The Roman Catholic Church is the one institution in the West which has been able to roll the mo-foes back in the past.

It is a key element in the counter-jihad, but shouldn't be the only tool in the chest.

We have many tools. Let's start using them...

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at December 18, 2006 11:07 AM

Yeah. Whenever I see a woman in a bikini and think about the lax (lax?) modern criminal code rape laws, I go on wild raping binges just like every other non-Islamic male.

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Non-Muslim women in the non-Islamic world walk the streets with flesh showing and have no fear. Islam must cause mind-numbing testosterone poisoning.

Posted by: St. David, King of Georgia at December 18, 2006 8:50 PM

The Women's Protection Act will create a free sex zone in Pakistan? How can it get any free-er than it already is? If you screw her and she talks, you can denounce her. If you screw her and she gets pregnant, the Sharia government implements a plan to eradicate mom and baby, all in one convenient package. No need to trouble the dirt bag, scumzoid sperm donor.

This issue should be brought up to the likes of Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton and all the other feminazi bleeding hearts in OUR government. Let's see them do something about it. Or let's see them crash and burn politically as they ignore the plight of women when it is not politically expedient to do so.

Noni Darwish was on Laura Ingraham in the states this morning and she was talking about how there are more mosques being put up in America now than there are new churches being built. I can't remember who she said had said this but some Muslims made the comment that the mosques are for all the converts there are going to be in America. If that is true, this Sharia law B.S. is coming our way girls, and rape will be replace baseball as the new national pastime here in the future if we don't do something about this NOW.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at December 18, 2006 9:23 PM

The "free sex zone" logic confounds me. Okay, maybe I've had too many beers this evening, but if allowing for modern forensic evidence and a smaller number of witness would allow a rape conviction, I don't see how that would increase, rather than decrease, the amount of sex in Pakistan.

Can someone explain this to me?

Posted by: schwaben at December 18, 2006 11:40 PM