"Argos..."

Infidels on their hamster-wheel, thinking they are on a steady march in search toward attaining the unattainable Golden Fleece (Greek Myths for Boys and Girls, as retold by Howard Pyle, with illustrations by Nicholas Wyeth)? Or is this a different Argos?

Posted by: Hugh at December 30, 2006 8:43 AM

"She urged the conference to stop watching any television at all." - Is she aware of the irony of her Channel 4 message I wonder?

" I was soon to discover that Feminism and Islam went together like oil and water.
"I realised Feminism promoted the very thing it protested against: oppression of women." - And with your Islam you've obtained so much more freedom...?

Posted by: Uriel Septim at December 30, 2006 8:56 AM

One more Spiritual Searcher. Some don't go quite so far but just become Apologists for Islam. See Karen Armstrong. Others fall for it, and when they discover The Awful Truth make up their own Private Islam, and stick to that, pretending that they are "working within the system" to promote what is best, and to do away with, or rather to "reform" Islam (fat chance). Still others may simply find it is a way to make them more important in the world's eyes (starting with Muslims who may have made much of them as new converts), and even more importantly, given them the status they think they deserve (google "Posted by Hugh" and "Weiss-Schwartz Syndrome").

No doubt the wage-slave's treadmill is disturbing. No doubt the sickening amounts, the hundreds of millions or billions given by some corporation to some departing executive, as part of his "package," infuriate, no doubt the Western world is full of all kinds of idiocy and everyone can mock or deplore the Consumer Society or, even bigger, the entire civilta di consumo, but why turn to Islam?

A similar question was asked long ago. That the excesses or injustices of capitalism, Dickensian capitalism, existed and exist are undeniable. But why become a Communist, and a loyal supporter of Joseph Stalin?

Even, or perhaps especially those who are aware of all the problems of the Western world, have a duty at this point not to fall for, or let others fall for, the idea that Islam represents anything at all except a Totalitarian System, one that uncompromisingly teaches adherents to divide the world between Believer and Infidel, limits and impoverishes the means for artistic expression, discourages free and skeptical inquiry, locates political legitimacy in the will of Allah and not in the expressed will of the people, sets up as a Perfect Man a cunning and ruthless warrior who was perfectly happy to attack those who had done nothing to him and were merely inoffensive farmers (the Khaybar Oasis), looked on approvingly at the massacre of hundreds of bound prisoners (the Banu Qurayza), was pleased to learn that those who had mocked him were murdeed (Abu Akaf, Asma bint Marwan), and preached that "war is deception" and much else that inspires Muslims, and disturbs Infidels, to this day.

Spare us this kind of Spiritual Searcher. The psychically marginal -- John Walker Lindh and Adam Gadahn come swimmingly to mind -- who are thrown up in the Western world, and who, instead of merely descending into, as they might have, some other available off-the-shelf form of An Answer to Everything, choose dangerous-to-themselves-and-to-others Islam.

Posted by: Hugh at December 30, 2006 8:57 AM

I knew I had read the 'rats and gerbils' article some time back, but could'nt remember where or under what name.

So, anyway, here it is:

http://www.therevival.co.uk/magazine/august2000/day_changed_life_forever.php

"What immense relief I felt, no more fighting for a lost cause, Peace and Submission to Allah (swa). Inner peace at knowing that a complete way of life had been prescribed for humankind, from how one should express joy to how one should handle their economics."

Posted by: PRCS at December 30, 2006 9:15 AM

She told viewers Jack Straw was wrong to criticise the veil, claiming concealing facial features "liberated" women.

Just as the "veil" has liberated robbers of Jewelery shops in India hiding their identities.

City jewellers reject veiled clients
PUNE: The burqa is back in the news. This time it's not religious zealots or political firestarters but jewellers who want to lift the veil.
After surveillance cameras failed to identify burqa-clad persons who robbed leading jewellery stores in the city, jewellers have decided to put restrictions on customers who come in wearing the attire.
The Pune Saraf Association has written to the state home minister to allow jewellers to put up a board outside their shops informing them of the ‘no burqa' policy.

Seems that Straw was not so wrong in objecting to interviewing unidentified people.

Posted by: Cynic at December 30, 2006 9:19 AM

Oops! I should have written "unidentifiable" instead of unidentified in the last sentence above.

Posted by: Cynic at December 30, 2006 9:37 AM

"Argos" in this respect is a rather quirky retailer of which I've never been able to fathom it's point. It's basically a catalogue shop where you browse catalogue and then go to the counter to pick up the goods.

Posted by: rudekid at December 30, 2006 9:42 AM

No wonder her life is so crap , an ex-feminist is
now an adherent to the misogynistic false
"religion".
I expect her to change as often as traffic
lights.
Someone i once knew said there`s no point in being
stupid unless you can prove it.
He must have known her.

Posted by: aladdinsane57 at December 30, 2006 9:50 AM

"I realised Feminism promoted the very thing it protested against: oppression of women."

This is actually entirely correct, though I don't know how she interprets it. It's not suprising at all that a radical feminist would convert to Islam. After all, they have a common enemy: white Christian men.

Posted by: Jesus Christ Supercop at December 30, 2006 9:54 AM

Orwell’s quote had been posted before but this is uncanny:

What immense relief I felt, no more fighting for a lost cause, Peace and Submission to Allah (swa). Inner peace at knowing that a complete way of life had been prescribed for humankind, from how one should express joy to how one should handle their economics. –from PRCS’ post above

He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark mustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother. – From 1984

Posted by: pez at December 30, 2006 10:04 AM

The convert, in trying to prove himself/herself, is always more rabidly fanatical than the born Mohammedan.

This is observed on an industrial scale in the nation of Pakistan - the epicentre of Islamofascism - originating in the converted Hindus' need to separate themselves from their Hindu identity and identify with the cult they were converted into.

Also noteworthy is how completely and fanatically they deny the fact that their ancestors were converted to the cult by rape, murder, torture, looting, forced circumcision and death threats - they had to choose the Koran or the Sword.

It is amusing how they portray themselves as the 'descendants of Muslim warriors who killed the Hindu rats' - the Hindus of today, in fact are largely those who SURVIVED the terror and tyranny - and those who fought it to the end - the Marathas, the Sikhs, the Rajputs - while the Muslims of today are those who lost the battle - those who were subjugated and converted.

Posted by: chinubhai11 at December 30, 2006 10:05 AM

Can anyone get the link to work for the above article, I get a Daily Mail web page saying the article is not found.

Posted by: km at December 30, 2006 10:18 AM

Km--

Sorry about that -- errant line break in the URL. It should work now.

Thanks for catching that.

Posted by: MarisolJW at December 30, 2006 10:22 AM

More from the UK:

British Muslims refuse washing hands with disinfectants in hospitals

Ummah News Links

Posted by: ummahnewslinks at December 30, 2006 10:35 AM

Atkinson last night insisted that she did enjoy listening to islamic music.

It gives new meaning to the moron part of oxymoron.

Posted by: Hulegu Khan at December 30, 2006 10:38 AM

Soon some rich sheikh will want her 9 year old daughter for some ...islamic porn. (they call it marriage in keeping with example of the Prophet Muhound)

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at December 30, 2006 10:44 AM

And what is a lady, who is married to a doctor and lives in a $700,000 house, doing lecturing me about consumerism?

It's like getting an environemental lecture from Gore in his private jet.

This Infidel loves his Ford Focus, it just passed 125,000 miles.

Posted by: pez at December 30, 2006 10:51 AM

Unmasked: the veiled white Muslim convert whose great grandmother was a suffragette,"

LOL You can't make this Shiite up!

Posted by: dennisw at December 30, 2006 11:10 AM

And what is a lady, who is married to a doctor and lives in a $700,000 house, doing lecturing me about consumerism?

$700.000 doesn't buy a house in London, only a cheap apartment - then again Barking is a dump and she will have boosted the BNP vote come the May 3 elections.

She is clearly one of those who lurches to extremes, the real question is how Channel 4 found her. Who did she know there ? Or who did Channel 4 approach to recruit her ?

That is the interesting question

Posted by: Voyager at December 30, 2006 11:13 AM

I have yet to hear just one Female muslim
say anything about being happy and at peace with god , every one of them barely smiles or speaks about the joy and beauty mixed in among the evil and ugly of man kind .
The Ch 4 tripe by a person that doesn't believe in "The Christ" was a overt ruse to provoke a response and rub Islam in the faces of all Christians that Jesus is just a Prophet in the Quran and Muhammed is the one to exhalt, does anyone really think that a Christian would be allowed to give a Ramadan message in a Islamic republic.

Maybe it's best that these depressed losers
cover their faces and stay at home to crank out the little Ahmeds , the years of inbreeding has made the women look pretty close to a mans face and hands , so maybe the veil isn't a bad thing
after all .

Posted by: ala-sux at December 30, 2006 11:19 AM

"He was last night unvailable for comment - as were their parents, who have moved to Spain."

It's hardly suprising that British people are fleeing this country en masse. Spain may prove to be a bad choice in the future, as I believe THEY want it back and its high on their shopping list.

I really have no confidence left in this country
and the people who run it constantly telling us that we have to live , work and socialise with these people. If we dare voice our concerns we are immediately branded RACISTS when Islam is n't even a race. Can someone please help us?

Posted by: raz at December 30, 2006 11:46 AM

I'm not that surprised by radical feminists turning Muslim. Most feminazis respect nothing that won't beat them up, and seem fed up with the whimpy men who humour them. They're just out to destroy Western civilization, so like the Communist Roger Garaudy, they're ripe for Islam.

Let them go to their place (hint: it's what the Gospel says of Judas Iscariot).

Posted by: Kepha at December 30, 2006 12:44 PM

Can any one tell what's wrong with this picture?

Inside Islam
http://www.worldcatlibraries.org/wcpa/ow/d3682df71bf69c51a19afeb4da09e526.html

Clue: I've never seen any such thing in reality!

Posted by: allat at December 30, 2006 12:55 PM

"Islamic whiskey? "

Like the Grk retsina, an acquired taste.

This particular whiskey is flavored with the local myrrh resin- product of Arabia.

Posted by: allat at December 30, 2006 12:59 PM

I think she is part of a trend. Here's one more example of a radical feminist turned into a Muslim:
Kamala Das http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamala_Das.
Gudrun Schuyman
Aminah Assilmi http://www.welcome-back.org/profile/aminah1.shtml

Here's an article from Brussels Journal debating the issue:
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1300

There's even a book on this subject:
http://www.utexas.edu/utpress/excerpts/exvanwom.html

Most of the links are available through a google search. Just type in radical feminist converts to islam.

I think whether they be radical feminists or radical leftists, Islam is the one major option that provides a channel for their radical, that is, blowing up, killing, maiming instincts.

Posted by: promachus at December 30, 2006 1:33 PM

Her brother is with the British forces in Afghanistan. He should invite her to Afghanistan. He should let her see a real Muslim country. Let her walk around, visit schools for girls, talk to women who remember life under the pure Islam of the Taliban, or who can show her examples of the Taliban's handiwork today. She needs to get out more. She needs to see a Muslim society. She, and all the other female converts to Islam who live in their crazed world.

Fit for the Laughing Academy. But perhaps Reality Therapy can work. Her family should give it a whirl. Then abandon her forever. And make sure she's cut off without a cent.

Posted by: Hugh at December 30, 2006 1:47 PM

Jesus Christ Supercop

"It's not suprising at all that a radical feminist would convert to Islam. After all, they have a common enemy: white Christian men."

BINGO.

Posted by: Daisytoo at December 30, 2006 2:01 PM

Hugh,

Even, or perhaps especially those who are aware of all the problems of the Western world, have a duty at this point not to fall for, or let others fall for, the idea that Islam represents anything at all except a Totalitarian System

I think you've hit upon a great point here and I agree that it's an intellectual duty to explain to people just why the Western tradition is superior to Islam on every level.

There is still the open question, though, of whether or not those who are nominally "Western" really adhere to the same standards today as the Western man of previous times.

I don't know if you are familiar with the writings of Wyndham Lewis, but he theorized that the vast masses of "Western" men and women wanted nothing more than some sort of fascist government to regulate everything, just as we see in Islam. His book "The Art of Being Ruled" is an examination of this hypothesis. I know you're very well-read, so you may have come across it already, but if not, it's definitely one of the hidden gems of 20th century non-fiction.

You could even argue that Lewis' hypothesis, in explaining the psychic differences between men and women, about women equating freedom with "lack of responsibility" explains why some of these Western women are going in for Islam so frequently these days. Now that the West is asking them to take on more responsibility for their own lives, Islam becomes an attractive option because women certainly don't have to take on any responsibility within its strictures. Just pump out kids non-stop and you've done your job as a woman.

Posted by: venividivici at December 30, 2006 2:26 PM

Elaine Atkinson's former embrace of feminism, coupled with her statement -- "I realised Feminism promoted the very thing it protested against: oppression of women" -- expresses vividly the ultimately circular paradox of Left/Right (in terms of their polar extremes asymptotically converging as points on a circle):

1) it was her Leftism that moved her pathologically to hate her own West;

2) it was her Leftism (in the form of PC Multiculturalism) that predisposed her mind to be uncritically receptive and attracted to exotic oriental alternatives to the West, particularly one whose ideological otherness from, and opposition to, the West is as coherent as is Islam's;

3) and then, once she was well on her way away from her West and into the depths of the embrace of Islam, she did not recoil from the obviously reactionary and anti-Leftist ambiance and structures of her new Islamic cosmion -- rather, she embraced Islam back with fervor.

(There might have been facilitating ideological factors at work also, smoothing the transition of her acrobatic Left/Right flip-flop: for example, the anti-Capitalistic disdain evident in her "gerbils on a treadmill" comment was likely to have been her sentiment about the West long before she embraced Islam, and, once she began to slide into Islam, she found its "alternative economics" to be more socially "just" in a perfectly Leftist sense -- therefore softening her up to accept other more authoritarian and reactionary tenets, such as the ban on music, etc.)

Another example of this kind of Left/Right flip-flop is the Leftist lawyer Lynn Stewart (convicted for enabling her client, the terrorist Sheik, Omar Abdul Rahman, while in prison by helping him to communicate with his terrorist organization in Egypt), whose Leftist anti-Westernism leads her to decry the supposedly fascist authoritarianism of Western governments in the alleged ways they incarcerate and liquidate opposition -- which then leads smoothly to her support for, and justification of, the very same type of tactics when perpetrated by Communist and Islamist movements, of incarcerating and liquidating their opponents.

As David Horowitz wrote:

Lynne Stewart is on record approving “directed violence,” which – as she explained to the New York Times -- “would be violence directed at the institutions which perpetuate capitalism, racism and sexism.” The World Trade Center for instance. Lynne Stewart has endorsed the Muslim jihadists in particular: “They are basically forces of national liberation,” she told the Marxist magazine Monthly Review. “My own sense is that, were the Islamists to be empowered, there would be movements within their own countries …. to liberate.”

At the National Lawyers Guild annual convention last year she attacked her own country as having “a poisonous government that spreads its venom to the body politic in all corners of the globe,” and raised a glass to her heroes: “Ho and Mao and Lenin, Fidel …” and of course Che Guevara whom she quoted: “At the risk of seeming ridiculous, let me say that the true revolutionary is guided by a great feeling of love.”

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=16579

Posted by: remote_control at December 30, 2006 3:35 PM

"Her brother is with the British forces in Afghanistan. He should invite her to Afghanistan. He should let her see a real Muslim country."

Two words: Yvonne Ridley.

Posted by: remote_control at December 30, 2006 3:41 PM

chinubhai11: "...they portray themselves as the 'descendants of Muslim warriors who killed the Hindu rats' - the Hindus of today, in fact are largely those who SURVIVED the terror and tyranny - and those who fought it to the end - the Marathas, the Sikhs, the Rajputs - while the Muslims of today are those who lost the battle - those who were subjugated and converted."

Very interesting, I didn't know that, but it is something we see going on today in the example of this weak-minded hag. On the other hand, those who convert from Islam are typically brave and intelligent (Wafa Sultan being a perfect example).

It makes one think of Islam as a sort of membrane - one that encourages the weak-willed and stupid to come in, and that encourages the strong and smart to leave. Somehow I don't think its long term prospects are good.

Posted by: Brett_McS at December 30, 2006 5:27 PM

Oh, and further to chinubhai11's comment above, you can see the same process illustrated in the excellent (but somewhat harrowing) New Zealand film Once Were Warriors.

(Plot spoiler) The Kiwis have a problem with violent gangs of indigenous people - but these are not gangs of the original "owners" of NZ (we call the Maori, who have typically integrated and succeeded in the western culture of NZ), but of the slaves of the Maori - ie those pulled from neighbouring islands.

In both cases, it's a violent and aggressive attitude masking a deep insecurity over their past submission.

Posted by: Brett_McS at December 30, 2006 5:39 PM

I don't think anyone has put the Christmas Message video link up yet - so here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IunpHe1qG4

The usual tosh, of course.

Posted by: zaltys at December 30, 2006 6:09 PM

...gangs of indigenous people - but these are not gangs of the original "owners" of NZ (we call the Maori, who have typically integrated and succeeded in the western culture of NZ), but of the slaves of the Maori - ie those pulled from neighbouring islands.

Non-Western non-whites had slaves!!!??? Impossible!!!

Posted by: remote_control at December 30, 2006 6:23 PM

(quote)She is clearly one of those who lurches to extremes, the real question is how Channel 4 found her. Who did she know there ? Or who did Channel 4 approach to recruit her ?

That is the interesting question(unquote)

Posted by: Voyager at December 30, 2006 11:13 AM

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I don't think Channel 4 TV have any problem when it comes to recruiting Muslims to appear in programmes. Although I am currently in the US I have a home in England and usually watch Channel 4 News. I also record all British TV programmes available to me about Muslims and related matters. C4 News anchor man Jon Snow recently presented a series on Muslims in Britain. He never asked any really searching questions and carefully avoided asking about the attitudes of the people he interviewed towards Jews, mixed marriages involving non-Muslim men, etc., while allowing interviewees to demand non-Muslims be tolerant and demanding 'equal' rights.
However, just in making this series and in C4's almost nightly interview/s on the news with self-appointed Muslim 'representatives', Channel 4 will inevitably have built up a large Muslim contact network it can draw on. I suspect that Elaine Atkinson was very easy to find via their contacts. They also employ a female Muslim newsreader - Samira Ahmed and a Business correspondent called Faisel Islam - however - in neither case do they flaunt their Muslim identity.

Posted by: moris2 at December 30, 2006 6:58 PM

Personally, I'm a great believer in Pavlov's concept of the ultra-paradoxical phase of transmarginal excitation. He observed in dogs that, subjected to prolonged stress over a long enough period, their personalities and behaviour would do a flip into the exact opposite of what they had been before. It's a rather disturbing thought.

Posted by: wallyUK at December 30, 2006 7:21 PM

From the post,
...the original veiled woman chosen, Khadija Ravat, a 33-year-old islamic teacher, withdrew because of negative publicity.

Atkinson ...abandoned her English name four years [ago]. ... Miss Atkinson - a fromer radical feminist - has become known as Khadijah Iqbal.

So what's in a name? Why this coincidence? Khadija was Mo's first wife:
http://www.al-islam.org/masoom/bios/khadija.htm

From the linked article, "It is reported that by the time she died, her entire wealth had already been spent to promote Islam; she left not a single gold dinar nor a single silver dirham, nor anything more or less..."

Posted by: abolitionist at December 30, 2006 8:20 PM

Muslim organizations in the West are generally keen to show off their white converts. They tend to fuss over them which probably helps them to become even more zealous. Maybe it's a sort of sort of Muslim "love bombing" exercise. We're supposed to be impressed, even if it happens to someone as obviously insane as Yvonne Ridley.

I wonder if it was any accident the the press soon found out the original name and background of this niqab wearer.

Posted by: zaltys at December 30, 2006 11:05 PM

pez,

Bullseye!

Posted by: unicorns62000 at December 31, 2006 2:57 AM

"When I see large numbers of believers [MOSLEMS]I feel very sad for them as they remind me of rats or gerbils in cages going round and round on a treadmill, believing that they are fulfilling their sole purpose in life and reaching their true destiny (which is death*).

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*call it "paradise" if you must, same thing

Posted by: unicorns62000 at December 31, 2006 3:00 AM

Samira Ahmed was born in London; her father fled Afghanistan; she went to Oxford and did visit Afghanistan with a film crew to see her "alternative future" but for Britain.

Channel 4 tries to be a Performance Art "Shock Jock" station but falls flat on its face. Gordon Brown wants to sell it so its days may be numbered - like all things it started out well and went into abject decline as did The Independent newspaper.

The thing with The Left is that it is an incoherent outlook - it is like a child crying - and responds emotionally to each affront. Funnily enough before WWII it was The Right that was emotional with its "Blood", "Soil", and appeal to "gut instinct" and hyped up slogans.

Now it is The Left which has become hysterical. Probably they have lost the certainty that came with Soviet money and agitators and feel the world is too complex for their cries, or that cheap Chinese goods have made their proletariat less malleable than adopting fringe causes.

It gives these people a thrill to treat Pet Muslims like Pet Dogs in need of careful nurturing in the pet sanctuary.

Posted by: Voyager at December 31, 2006 3:50 AM

I am surprised that Khadijah Iqbal has not insisted that her husband leave the decadent consumerist west and return back to Pakistan with the whole family so their children may have a proper muslim upbringing - Dr Iqbal, as a healthcare professional, would be very welcome in a country which depended on Cubans to perform over one million medical interventions after the earthquake 2 years ago!

Posted by: Shahryar at December 31, 2006 9:46 AM

She is a True Believer.

Please read, True Believers by Eric Hoffer.

People who join Islam as well as other mass movements are frustrated individuals, who are engaged in a "flight from the self".

Posted by: Voltaire at December 31, 2006 10:12 AM

"went into abject decline as did The Independent newspaper.'

And I thought that was a paper reporting news accurately, "independently." Wow!

Posted by: allat at December 31, 2006 11:53 AM

"suprising at all that a radical feminist would convert to Islam. After all, they have a common enemy: white Christian men.'

Well, I'm a feminist. Took us long enough for white men - to give us the vote in the early 1920s. But I must congratulate Congress on NOT being racist, since they gave Blacks the vote first in the 1870s (?).

We still have the struggle because men would be very happey to see us home, in the " kitchen, bare-foot & pregnant." As it its, we, women, still have to come home from the 9-5's - and take care of the housework, the kiddles & and cooking (Rachel Raye ain't making a mint out of her program "30-Minute Cooking" for nothing.)
It's NOT the men - cleaning up after "Thanksgiving Dinner"-
it's NOT the women sitting in soafas watching football-while guzzling beer.

In WWII, with the men out, we became Rosie The Riveter (there's a song) - it was either blue-collar - or the typing pools, or a teacher in the style of "Little House on the Prairie" in a little town somewhere.

When the men came back fr the war, we, women were sent back home ("I Love Lucy" - "Leave It to Beaver" - yuck - yuck).

The Blacks got their full rights in the 1960s.

It took the radical feminists to from the 1960s on - fight to allow women to break into the business world - equal pay for equal work- for Women's Rights -unfortunately, we hit the Glass Ceiling in the 1980's.

Nothing, personal, guy, but it's the truth, it was white men that held us back. Who holds the power today worldwide:

the male gender
with a pink skin

I call that white.

We were/are part of the "White Man's Burden."

ANd now, we're suspended in "Limbo" - we're good enough for the "grunts" in the military - & have a few "tokens" in the Pentagon & Congress, and on tv, w/ Martha Steward, and look what happened to her - and even then, we're in the service industries, such as cooks - like cook shows.

As to the catholic church,- Hell! - even the protestants have female ministers - the catholics don't even allow female priests - but women sure take care of the housekeeping in the parishes.

And this is an example of how we,in the West, have to organize, and go to meetings, and go on Protest Marches against islam. Women took it on the chin, the Sufragettes and the Feminists of the 80s - were beaten, fined & imprisioned and abused.

No progress is made without outward struggle. So with history in mind, gird your loins for the coming struggle.

And know that at this moment, that is EXACTLY what the islamics slime are doing.

So, we must be prepared to PUSH BACK - HARD!

Posted by: allat at December 31, 2006 12:22 PM

In Britain, there is competetion going on amongst the news channel as to which one can broadcast more islamo-centric propoganda.

Both BBC and ITN (makers of Channel 4 News) are totally dhimmified. John Snow (who fronts the news on Channel 4) never misses an opportunity to criticise Israel. Their coverage of the recent war with Hizbollah was nothing more than a vomit inducing propoganda for Hizbollah.

I wouldn't trust either the BBC or Channel 4 in their news output.

As far as this bint Elaine Atkinson is concerened, do not forget that she is someone who has been fed nothing but mellowed version of islam from her school days (where learning islam is compulsory here in Britain) to her exposure in the media at large (all of whom are either too afraid to say the truth about islam or are arab owned/bribed).

So it is not entirely her fault that she is not islamo-aware and falls into the trap of believing what she reads or what is said to her. Britain is full of women like her, even Diana (Princess of Wales) was not averse to a bit of muslim men.

Posted by: Hermit at December 31, 2006 1:09 PM

Allat, very inspiring. Glad you're here.

Posted by: Voltaire at December 31, 2006 4:11 PM

Feminism and Islam went together like oil and water. Oil and water really don't go well together. I wonder if that was slip.

Posted by: herself at December 31, 2006 6:30 PM

Atkinson last night insisted that she did enjoy listening to islamic music.

Islamic Music???

What would exactly this be?

Posted by: Monkeywho at January 1, 2007 4:09 AM

Hey allat, Ya know why a man should never have his wifes watch fixed if it breaks?
BECAUSE THERE IS A CLOCK ON THE STOVE.!!!

Posted by: el greco at January 1, 2007 3:03 PM

Greatly enjoyed that sober, rational post, Hugh, regarding the Spiritual Searcher. Pithy words, these; '...when they discover The Awful Truth make up their own Private Islam...' I witness that behavior even amongst born-into-the-fold-Muslims, when they are writing in defense of their "religion".

Atkinson's grandmother must be spinning in her grave. FOR THIS she fought? Arrrrrrgh....! Makes me wonder, with trepidation, if I'll witness my own female descendents mewling, "better Islamic than dead".

LOL, el greco, from this feminist. Lighten up, allat. Sounds like you don't cross paths with the right men.

Posted by: Vee at January 1, 2007 5:11 PM

I really love white Christian men.
What is wrong with these people who hate them?

Posted by: EnglishBlondie at January 1, 2007 8:30 PM

"Ya know why a man should never have his wifes watch fixed if it breaks?

BECAUSE THERE IS A CLOCK ON THE STOVE.!!!"

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Harde har har!

Just call me Edith!

Posted by: allat at January 2, 2007 7:31 PM