Cue fatwa and death threats in 5.4.3.2.1.

Posted by: km at December 31, 2006 6:54 AM

Janet asked them what she had done to offend them. The answer - silence. The religion of perpetual outrage can never come up with rational, intelligent arguments as it's based on illogical, primitive responses courtesy of the Koran.

Posted by: cathkins at December 31, 2006 7:14 AM

Janet Albrechtsen is a gem. She did the introduction for the Mark Steyn talk in Sydney - she came across as smart and upbeat; a real asset. There was certainly wailing and gnashing of teeth amoungst the lefties when she was recently made director of the ABC (like the BBC in the UK, or CBC in Canada). She's a bit of a babe as well.

What a contrast to the troglodytes steeped in the mire of Islam.

Posted by: Brett_McS at December 31, 2006 7:22 AM

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,9277270-32523,00.html
Janet Albrechtsen writes a weekly column for The Australian.
After receiving her law degree from the University of Adelaide, she moved to Sydney and worked as a commercial lawyer.
She has a doctorate in law from the University of Sydney Law School and has taught as an academic.

She is roundly disliked by judicial activists, the human rights industry, old-style feminists and assorted rent-seekers.

None of that troubles her.

(I like the rent seekers line. Muslim immigrants are rent seekers extraordinaire!)

Posted by: dennisw at December 31, 2006 7:48 AM

I am glad our media and politicians are really speaking out now about such issues. We are no longer afraid to speak out. I spoke out recently about rejecting Muslim propaganda at a lunch in Sydney and the next table walked out so glad to see the message is challenging.

Posted by: payingattention at December 31, 2006 10:18 AM

"...a more open debate depended on Muslim women talking honestly about the problems of radical Islam and the consequent inequality inflicted on women, there was only silence.

And that silence is the problem."

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Seems to me the islamic women are full of rage stored over from ages...not only toward the West, but toward their men and the religion?culture that disallows them speaking out. NOt only because they will get a good beating when
they get home ("Wait till I get you home!"), but because to think rebellious thoughts is a "sin."

The women are full of a SLAVE'S RAGE.

No matter what any historian says about "Oh, slavery was acceptable," "Slavery was common"- or "your outlook about slavery is out of context," - no matter what is said, A SLAVE SURE DIDN'T LIKE HIS SLAVEHOOD." Else there wouldn't hv been so many slave revolts recoreded - and the majority that weren't recorded - because it wasn't convenient for the masters.

There was all sort of punishments and attrocities to break slaves.

And they still implimented towards women in islam & even here.

Posted by: allat at December 31, 2006 11:48 AM

Note to Janet: instead of speaking out for Mohammedan women (who prove Mohammed right about women as far as Muslim women go), she should instead campaign for expelling Muslims from Australia, period. Send them back to Lebanon, Pakistan or wherever else they came from. If they are 2nd or later generation, send them either to Saudi Arabia, or to the last Islamic land their ancestors lived in. The first option sounds simpler and should be implemented - hopefully under the pretext of haj.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at December 31, 2006 11:55 AM

We may not be legally able to force them back to dar-al-islam, but we can make the West inhospitable
for the sharia-prone.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at December 31, 2006 12:07 PM

So, I don't know what to more to say. To send back people or 2nd generations, is "ethnic cleansing." And it wasn't pretty.

Who do you feel about that? Didn't some countries in E. Eur. do that? Bosnia? I know for sure Turkey did it esp. with the Armenians, and THEY"LL never forget it!

We can only struggle within the legal system, to do otherwise is to be like the islamics and others we find barbaric. We're NOT here to do waht others have done in the past.

We're in this country, in the 21st Century to evolve outselves.

Let me give you some information. The U.S.A. been given a chance by the Spiritual Forces:

"And that which is freedom in your country--you call it America ---you are the melting pot of the world. Know you why you are a grand people?

Because every life is represented in your country. You represent the WHOLE of the world. Your country is in a blessed movement because Souls from all walks of life are endowed here - striving to live harmoniously, to love in spite of the color of skin or beliefs. Your country has demonstrated its possibilities.

Of your peoples, there is a coming an ending liken unto Solon's Republic, that which is no longer a country run by the professional, but one which is run by the common people, who take their turn. And this is called absolute freedom."

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I say, no matter what, we must strive to keep the ideals upon which this America was founded.

Basically, it's a struggle betw the Dark and the Light. What do you think this website is about?
The struggle of islam/darkness/devolution vs. the West/balance/Evolution.

It is nothing else BUT that!

Posted by: allat at December 31, 2006 1:01 PM

Allat,

We can only struggle within the legal system, to do otherwise is to be like the islamics and others we find barbaric. We're NOT here to do waht others have done in the past.

I don't find this convincing, although it would be nice if were this easy. No matter how we got rid of the Islamic problem, I firmly believe that we would quickly return to "normalcy" in the West, which would mean that we'd go back to living our lives very much like we do now, only with no Islamic terrorism problem.

I say that because I think we in the West have internalized a basically decent perspective on life that would allow us to step back from following the Muslims into the abyss.

Posted by: venividivici at December 31, 2006 2:11 PM

What the Muslim world needs is for us infidels to show Muslim women a good time for once in their wretched lives. At least the good-looking ones.

Posted by: venividivici at December 31, 2006 2:17 PM

"A white Christian chick will write on this issue because, in an enlightened world, the inequality of the sexes should transcend race, ethnicity and religion". Ahhhh, it's music to my ears. Com'on Aussie com'on!!!

Posted by: eloivsdiablo at December 31, 2006 3:56 PM

Anger seems to be the only possible response when sufferers of Stockholm syndrome have their delusions questioned. On some level, these Muslim girls are completely jealous of the white chick's freedom to be who she is. They can't quite reconcile the fact that they don't think straight because their brains aren't working right since they regularly get the snot beat out of them and they don't have the physical strength or organizational skills to overcome their bad situations. So the easiest path of least resistance is to blame it on the non-Islamic chick. But secretly, they long to go to the beach with the girls and no butt ugly brother-in-law or other male relative tagging along, get their toes done and have Ramone bring them a fruity drink with a little pink umbrella in it and have him rub their backs with suntan lotion.

Yep, it's got to be deep-seated jealousy. That, and misery loves company.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at December 31, 2006 4:32 PM

Not only is this anti-dhimmitude explained by Janet Albrechtsen being a "white Christian chick"; the other factor at work here is that -- and I hate to break it to those here who loftily transcend (or whose horseblinkered prescriptions ignore) 'Right' and 'Left' -- she is decidedly conservative.

Posted by: remote_control at December 31, 2006 5:14 PM

talking honestly about the problems of radical Islam and the consequent inequality inflicted...

When she wraps up on radical Islam, then she can take on the problems caused by Islam.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at December 31, 2006 6:03 PM

Initial response from Oz muslims here.

Taqiyya Express in 5..4...3...2...

In The Name of God, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful.

Dear Janet,

My name is Malik Shakur, I am of Greek decent and by the Grace of the Almighty, was blessed with His Guidance and reverted to Islam when I was 16 years old. I would like to take some time to address some of the points you made in your article about girl power being needed in the Muslim community.

I would like to point out firstly, that in regards to the treatment of women in these so called 'Muslim countries' whatever you see, is not Islamic at all, in fact it's quite the opposite. In regards to violence against women, if you understand Islam correctly (not just taking things out of context without understanding the full meaning, forbids the mistreatment of women.

I think that you will find, that Christian females in these countries are mistreated much the same as the Muslim women are. This disgusting treatment of women, is not as some may think an 'Islamic thing' but as I have explained, is found across all religious denominations in these areas.

I am sure you know that 1 in 4 Australian Women will be the victim of abuse in the household? Do you think that Australia's tiny Muslim population is responsible for this huge number? This is a problem all over the world, not only within the Muslim community and needs to be addressed and remedied for the betterment of the world.

For example, in your article you mention that in Egypt 97% of women are circumcised. I would like to see a reference to this aside from just saying that it is WHO statistics, a link would be lovely.

According to Dr. Sami A. Aldeeb Abu-Salieh at the Swiss Institute of Comparative Law:

Islamic juridical logic cannot acknowledge the distinction between female and male circumcision, both being the mutilation of healthy organs which is damaging to the physical integrity of the child, whatever the underlying religious motivations. Furthermore, both practices violate the Koran: 'Our Lord, You did not create all this in vain' (3:191), and '[He] perfected everything He created' (32:7). In our opinion, a god who demands that his believers be mutilated and branded on their genitals the same as cattle, is a god of questionable ethics.

here is a link for you to find this article. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.f...8&dopt=Abstract
I have many femalefriends who are not Muslim of African descent from Ethiopia who are Orthodox Christians who have the been Circumcised, like Islam, Orthodox Christianity does not allow such practises, yet because of their culture the Ethiopians do practise this.
An article that I DID however find on the WHO website did say this.

"So a man who allows his daughter to be subjected to circumcision in the manner now common in the Sudan, namely infibulation, is damned in Islamic law. He commits a major crime and cardinal sin. The same is true of any mother or woman who performs it. It is stupid and foolish for a father to say, "I do not interfere in such a thing, for it is a matter for women to decide", thus ignoring the saying of the Prophet, Peace Be Upon Him, that "Each of you is a guardian, and each is responsible for his charges." In Al-Bukhari’s and Muslim’s version of this hadith, both parents are included as bearing such responsibility. Such a father would also be ignoring the hadith which says, "Whenever any of you witnesses an abomination, let him rectify it with his hand; if he cannot, then with his tongue…". A father can rectify the abomination by suing the woman who has performed infibulation, even if she is his own mother, and having her brought before court. God, if He pleases, will reward him when he does that for obeying His order to have abominations in society rectified, and for observing God’s injunction: Believers, stand out firmly for justice and bear true witness before God, even against yourselves, your parents, or your kin. Whether the man involved is rich or poor, God can best take care of both (4:135)."

Here is the link for that: http://www.emro.who.int/Publications/Healt...r2Pharaonic.htm

As you see, in regards to such practises of female circumcision, it is not acceptable in Islam. If it is practised by a so called Muslim, then the act is a great sin and completely contradicts what God and His Messenger (peace be upon him) have commanded.

You also state

"It's about lack of health care: the maternal mortality rate in Arab countries is about 270 per 100,000 live births, almost 20 times higher than in the US"

I wonder Janet, do you think there would be lower Infant mortality rates if the US hadn't bombed Iraq with Depleted Uranium weapons, which should be Illegal as it leaves a radioactive fallout, which affects unborn babies, and causes them to be born deformed then had the UN Security council enforce cripling sanctions on Iraq for more than ten years, which denied Iraqi's the basic right to proper medicines which they had beforehand, Causing the death of over 750,000 Iraqi children under the age of 5 and in total killed more than 1,500,000 Iraqi's dead. Do you think the infant mortality rate would have been lower had that not happened?

How do you expect these rates to be any lower when there is so much poverty in the middle east, the countries that you mentioned like Bahrain and Qatar are rich countries, where healthcare is easily provided for the people unlike in other parts of the middle east.

I agree that in countries in the middle east, women are traditionally only allowed to be teachers and in the medical field, which does cause massive unemployment as there becomes 'too many' people in that area with that skill. Women should be able to work in other fields, that traditionally they haven't been able to do in the past. Let us not forget, that the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him's first wife Khadijah may God be pleased with her, was a very successful and intelligent business woman, and he started working for her!

You also state the following "Recall that the immediate trigger for the mujaheddin insurgents in Afghanistan rising up against the Soviet-backed communist government in the late 1970s was the introduction of education for women"
Janet, I have studied the Afghan-Soviet War (1979-89) extensively, and what you mention couldn't be further from the truth. The fact that the Afghan people's land was occupied by a foreign power, was the cause of the resistance in Afghanistan, and was also the cause of it when the British invaded long beforehand. Tell me, would you only resist out against an occupying power of Australia if they took away your right to an education? The notion is rediculous and I think your readers deserve to be treated like they are intelligent people, and not fed such garbage. In any case, the education of women, is just as important as the education of men in Islam, in fact, if anything it is correct. There was an Islamic Scholar who said 'If you teach a male something, you teach only one person. But if you teach a female, you teach a nation' That is true, because the first teacher of a child is it's mother. Muslim's are also advised to 'seek knowledge even if you have to go to China'

You also speak about the need to have a modern-moderate form of Islam, A revolution to kickstart the whole process of feminism off in these countries, but I beg to differ.

What we need, honestly speaking is to cleanse Islamic teachings of the cultural and unislamic practises that have been integrated into the practise of Islam by specific communities, and start practising Islam in its purest and most fundemental form. We need proper fundementalism (which the media considers a bad thing), because to be a fundementalist, is to practise the fundementals (just like you need to follow the fundemental road rules when you drive your car in this country, to protect yourself and to protect the community). The fundementals of Islam do include the proper treatment of women in Islam.

So the question is, how can we bring back Islam to its most pure and original teaching to fix these problems? It is quite clear that we need to start by establishing a proper Islamic State. Firstly, let's be completely clear here, there is no true Islamic State following the proper guidelines set out by the Quran (God's Spoken Word) and the Sunnah (the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him's example of what he said and did throughout his life, collated by those around him), not Saudi Arabia, not Iran and not any other that claims to be. If there was an Islamic State, there would be no such problems of terrorism, honour killings and the mistreatment of women, because those actions are not tolerated in Islam. If you really wish to help Muslim women, maybe you should lobby the US Government to stop installing supporting dictatorships in the Middle East who repress their people, ie Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Jordan. Instead a proper Islamic State should be established to bring peace to the region, and contribute to the world as the Islamic State once did, in all of the sciences of medicine, astronomy, physics, mathemetics, optometry and so much more.

We were once the centre of learning in the world, people learnt Arabic to learn the wealth of knowledge we had. We need to bring this back.

Will the West (of which I am a part) help us do this? Will You help us Achieve this?

Thank you for your time,

Yours Sincerely,

Malik Shakur
apologies for the length of the post. L.Drummond.

Posted by: L.Drummond at December 31, 2006 9:07 PM

Wonderful article. I sent a note of thanks to the author. (Her e-mail address is at the bottom of the article.) I think it would be good if many people did the same.

Posted by: Mo at December 31, 2006 9:16 PM

Janet Albrechtsen in The Australian seems like one foxy intellectual if her picture at:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20975680-32522,00.html

is to be trusted. It seems that she has a right to describe herself as a 'chick'.

Dominic.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at December 31, 2006 10:26 PM

Mr L Drummond,

You think that ALL of these countries which sanction wife battery, jihad, and all the other trimmings have misinterprete Islam?

As somebody who has read what the Koran has to say, I beg to differ, your scriptures clearly state that men have authority over women and that their husband should beat them if they disobey them. The 'scriptures' also say that getting martyred as a jihadist is seemed as good, and is an express ticket to paradise in Islamic theology.

Islam has NOTHING to offer to the west, because us in the west are more evolved in our thinking, we have done away with sexism long ago, we have democracy and freedom of speech, which by the way are VITAL to our continued development. Islam on the other hand doesn't allow free speech, therefore Muslims are not allowed to grow and progress as they should alongside the rest of the world. The result is an increase in jihad because they are angry and don't get why the infidel world is so much more successful in each and every sphere of life.

As a British person, I feel the growing threat of terrorism in my country every day, because Muslims don't want to assimilate into our culture, they're here to outbreed and subsequently conquer us. Everytime somebody in Europe dares to tell the truth about what the Koran says, bombs go off all over the world. So much for the 'religion of peace'.

No offence to you personally, but I detest the religion you claim to belong to. I urge you to look at what your religion really promotes, not just look at the parts you like.

Posted by: Truthseeker at January 1, 2007 1:20 AM

I dont know why Janet bothers. I couldnt care less about the 'suffering' of Muslim women, I care only about the suffering Muslims have inflicted upon Australians.

Muslim women are not only jealous of the freedom of white women, as one poster comments, they are also jealous because their hypocrite men continually slaver over Australian girls - I'm sure these women have noticed their husbands and brothers unable to take their eyes off some blonde in a miniskirt, while they trudge behind dressed like a walking letterbox.

They are as savage and dysfunctional as their males. They say they have been 'liberated' by wearing a shapeless bag with eyeholes?

Is it worth even a minute of Janet A's time to converse with such morons?

Posted by: Deecha at January 1, 2007 1:33 AM

Truthseeker, I merely linked to the thoughts of muslims in Australia.

As far as I am concerned, those who believe that sharia and any sort of islam are compatible with our western mores are no friends of mine.

I'm a catholic, and consider myself a member of the church militant. Unfortunately, we've not yet been activated, and I do occasionally despair that we never shall be.

I'm also a woman, and see even less than you do that appeals in islam. I am well aware that when I walk down the street in my hometown in a summer dress with my cross around my neck the hijabbed ones consider me an infidel whore.

I have a US flag hanging in my room, and as much as I would love to put it up out the front with my Aussie flag, in this neighbourhood it would make a target of me.

One more point: if I were a muslim, I would most definitely not link to a rebuttal to Janet Albrechtson as 'Taqiyya express.'

Oh, and my copy of the quran doubles as a drinks coaster. I prefer my toilet paper a bit softer than the penguin edition of the Dawood translation.

Happy New Yar! :)

L.Drummond.

Posted by: L.Drummond at January 1, 2007 3:35 AM

You go girl!!!

Posted by: Monkeywho at January 1, 2007 3:59 AM

Sorry L Drummond, I misinterpreted you last post and thought you were a Muslim. To be honest, most Muslims and Muslim enablers don't stick around here for too long because they have no intelligent rebutal to our superior logical arguments.

Glad to hear you have an American flag, I'll actually be moving to America sometime soon, and for me the flag represents much more than just a specific piece of geography.

Stick around for a while, you'll hear stories from all over the world.

Posted by: Truthseeker at January 2, 2007 3:13 AM

No worries, Truthseeker, no offence taken so no harm done.

I prefer to lurk (for at least the last 18 months) and I do post occasionally. Just not very often.

Regards,

L.Drummond.

Posted by: L.Drummond at January 2, 2007 3:25 AM