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Those crosses have got to go
Yet another institution of higher learning sells out its heritage for a few bucks -- and establishes, entirely coincidentally of course, a center for the study of Muslim issues at the same time. "Another college drops cross emblem: Official: It sent 'wrong message,' created 'confusion,'" by Bob Unruh in WorldNetDaily.com, with thanks to Jerry Gordon:
Another university is dropping a cross from its historic imagery, saying it creates confusion and sends the wrong message.The announcement from Simon Fraser University near Vancouver, B.C., about the school's Coat of Arms brings it in alignment with a precedent set earlier by the College of William and Mary, which said in a story WND broke that a historic cross in a structure built as a Christian chapel hundreds of years ago would have to go because it offended some people.
A spokesman for Simon Fraser said the two crosses on the 40-year-old emblem are a problem. Warren Gill, the school's vice-president of university relations, said the school doesn't want people to think the wrong thing.
"For some people, particularly internationally, the crosses were seen to identify us as a private religious institution as opposed to a secular public one, and a lot of our international folks were getting that back," he said....
Gill said a new coat of arms will replace the crosses with emblems of books, although the old coat of arms, which has been used since 1965, will remain on university buildings. It was approved by the Lord Lyon King of Arms, the custodian of and the authority for Scottish Heraldry, and was based on the personal coat of arms of the clan chief, Simon Fraser Lord Lovat....
Notes of a formal meeting of the school's Board of Governors said the change will replace each "crosslet" with a book, so "the top part of the shield (the chief) would contain three matching books."
The school said the "crosslets" are representative of those crosses used by crusaders on their travels.
At virtually the same time, the school announced that was creating a center for the study of Muslim issues.
It is being funded by $1 million from the Amin Lalji family and $250,000 from school Board of Governors chair Saida Rasul and her husband Firoz.
"We have already a very strong program in Middle Eastern and Islamic history, an endowed lectureship in Iranian and Persian studies, courses in Persian, and soon, Arabic and other languages," said SFU President Michael Stevenson. "These activities are a strong base for building an internationally recognized center for scholarship that embraces the full diversity of Muslim societies and cultures."
In a months-old controversy that still is reverberating, the president of the College of William and Mary College ordered the removal of a donated cross from the historic Wren Chapel.
WND broke the story on Oct. 27 when university administrator Melissa Engimann circulated an e-mail noting that the cross was going to be stored in order to make the chapel "less of a faith-specific space."
President Gene Nichol last week sent an e-mail to the "college community" admitting that he "acted too quickly and should have consulted more broadly" in deciding to remove the cross. So to make up for that, he said a plaque would be put up in the chapel and the cross would be put on the altar for extended hours on Sunday.
Students and alums who have assembled in a group called SaveTheWrenCross.org, however, said that wasn't good enough.
"Nichol acknowledged that his unilateral action upset many current students and alumni, who believed that his decision was a dilution of the history and traditions of the College and an example of an animus toward religion in general and Christianity in particular," the group said.
"After apologizing for his failure to involve others in this historic decision, Nichol went on in his letter – apparently unaware of the irony – to dictate what he obviously thinks is a compromise solution to the problem he created," said the organization, which had collected almost 7,500 signatures on a petition seeking the return of the cross.
"It is the Wren Chapel, not the Wren Spare Room," wrote Karla Bruno, a 1981 graduate. "Nichol does not address the idea that the Chapel with the cross on permanent display was indeed welcoming as witnessed by the plethora of non-Christian and secular events that have been held there over the years. No one has been turned away because they were not Christian."...
The old policy was that the cross was on permanent display on the altar of the chapel, and was removed only when someone using the room asked that it be removed. Nichol's new policy is that the cross is permanently in storage, and will be brought out only on special request.
The group said its top priority will be for the school's Board of Visitors to talk about the issues at the next meeting, in February.
SaveTheWrenCross.org is an ad hoc coalition of students and alumni who oppose the removal of the century-old cross, which was given to the college by Bruton Parish Episcopal Church in the 1930s....She recently was named chancellor of the college. It was during her tenure in the Supreme Court that a growing intolerance by the court for religious symbols – particularly Christian symbols – in public places became evident.
The Wren Chapel, built about 274 years ago, became an integral part of the university when it was a Christian school.
"In the name of tolerance, we have intolerance; in the name of welcoming, we have hostility, and in the name of unity, we now have division," said junior Joe Luppino-Esposito.
Well said, Joe.
Posted by Robert at January 3, 2007 3:34 AM
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" Gill said a new coat of arms will replace the crosses with emblems of BOOKS "
why not just make those books the Qu'ran then?
we know who is being appeased here.i'm no Dhimmie , i can do the math.
Gee , wanna talk about " Humilations " ?
Tradition has it's price it seems. i find that
" Humiliating " But rest assured I won't kill anyone over it. Unlike a certain group we all know .
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at January 3, 2007 4:05 AM
The Lalji's are among the richest families in Canada through their Larco Investment Co. They, and the Rasuls, are Ismaili Muslims, followers of the Aga Khan, who claims direct descent from Muhammad through daughter Fatima. The current Aga Khan is a multibillionaire, not to mention the stepson of Rita Hayworth. The Lalji's own Vancouver's Park Royal shopping mall, have holdings at Whistler, a Vegas hotel, and can make crosses disappear with the wave of a heavy hand.
at January 3, 2007 5:34 AM
Future generations will marvel in how easily the West sold its soul to Islamo-fascism. The Word of God says it clearly "The love of money is the root of all evil".
There are people who become dhimmis by force. However, there are those who willingly become dhimmis.
at January 3, 2007 6:09 AM
"Simon Fraser University "
Change the name to "Dhimmi University" and make the school mascot a chicken. The official school uniform is to include a dunce cap.
"The Wren Chapel, built about 274 years ago, became an integral part of the university when it was a Christian school"
......It is no longer a Christian school, it is now a madrassas......
The Islamic march on your freedoms continues.
at January 3, 2007 6:19 AM
Lousy dollar-suckers !
..definitely will have to be listed as being subversive to our original culture.
at January 3, 2007 6:41 AM
Another university is dropping a cross from its historic imagery, saying it creates confusion and sends the wrong message.
Removing the cross is creating confusion and sending the wrong message -- to Islam. As in "we're weak and won't stand up against you."
at January 3, 2007 6:44 AM
Once the major vestiges of cultural identity have been sufficiently removed, the fun will begin in earnest.
at January 3, 2007 6:48 AM
s/o what a wonderful idea to promote a kumbaya of love, peace and friendship. Saudi Arabia, will you be removing the sword from your flag and your offensive statement about Allah and his prophet?
Posted by: David England at January 3, 2007 7:29 AM
Oh Canada. Who is standing on guard for thee ?
I have sent this story to several friends and asked them to email a protest to Simon Fraser University. Not that it will do any good, but it may help to alleviate the shame and humiliation I am feeling today.
Bit by bit, our culture and our heritage is being chipped away. Sold away.
Oh Canada. I mourn for thee.
at January 3, 2007 8:09 AM
Hang the scum for treason.
Posted by: aladdinsane57 at January 3, 2007 8:45 AM
This unfortunate event, I fear, will only become more prevalent in Canada and the US as well.
It is truly amazing how non-Muslims are completely silenced from speaking out against Islam, or else we be deemed a bigot and ostracized. Before too long, there will, in all probability, be laws in place penalizing all who dare speak about Islam.
This atrocious double-standard will allow for the propagation of Islam rather quickly and sound the death knell for Judeo-Christian culture as we know it.
Posted by: awake at January 3, 2007 9:02 AM
"The school said the "crosslets" are representative of those crosses used by crusaders on their travels."
I think the crusaders must have done a mighty fine job considering muslims go ballistic at the mere mention of the word even now.
Posted by: arjun.sevak at January 3, 2007 9:04 AM
Assalamau Alaiakum all,
CC said " Gill said a new coat of arms will replace the crosses with emblems of BOOKS "
why not just make those books the Qu'ran then?
LOL
As I said in a different thread, inch by inch, industry by industry, institution by instituion the Amerike/Canadian will engineer his own downfall.
Just what is it that the kaffur falls for?
For a few petro dollars, the kaffur sells his faith ...(let's not mince words here), the kaffur sells his soul....to whom...why none other than Islam.
You goddamn faithless lot engineered it, Jesus (PBUH) became a saheed to save you...and this is how you atone him..LOL ...each day going by shines brighter for Islam and sharia.
You JW peoples may know that this is bad for the Amerike/Canada...but the common man does not...but he is content...there is no need to spread this infornmation round....no need to depress anybody else...eh...nod nod...wink wink...it'll be our little secret...MUM's the word.
Concerned Canadian, you may have the weapons, and the scientific intellect....but we have the faith and more importantly will have you by the balls.
DON'T try and pull that gun trigger to mow us down or we will squeeze your balls so hard that you won't be able to fire (in more ways than 1).
Here's hoping to see you in a beard and your grand-daughter in a burka at this very college soon....ROTFL.
at January 3, 2007 9:25 AM
"The school said the "crosslets" are representative of those crosses used by crusaders on their travels."
But anyone with any knowledge of the history of that part of the world will know that the crusades were started by Pope Urban II following 400 years of muslim invasion, forced conversion and murder. The reason the crusdaes are so ingrained into the muslim consciousness is purely because the crusades pushed them back from their attempt to convert the world to islam by force.
Unfortunately, in todays world, facts are ignored if people shout loud enough. Muslms have been banging on about the crusades in order to silence any facts that show the truth about the crusades. In much the same way that they turn to violence when anyone suggests that islam is violent.
Erich Fromm, a famous philosopher said :-
There is perhaps no phenomenon which contains so much destructive feeling as 'moral indignation' which permits envy and hate to be acted out under the guise of virtue.
at January 3, 2007 9:35 AM
Political correctness
And chic diversity --
These are our school’s hallmarks,
And quite our cup of tea.
We follow where the winds blow,
We are the Club of NOW*
We’re the new collegium
And trendier than thou.
*No Opportunity Wasted
at January 3, 2007 9:47 AM
Today, the crosslets are going. Next month, it will be the shield itself. It reminds those with the beards and burqas of the Crusades. Arjun Sevak is right. Even the mention of the word 'crusade' makes them go ballistic. I will try to work that word more into my everyday vocabulary, " I am on a crusade to make my daughter pick up her room," "The only way to save that historical building is to start a crusade," etc... Words matter, symbols (crosslets)matter. They know that too. That is why they are so interested in and insistent on passing laws against "hate speech."
Posted by: maryrose at January 3, 2007 9:53 AM
My, just for a handful of silver? A measly $1 million? He should have held out for $100 million from the Lalji family, in present and committed future donations. Surely the president of Simon Fraser can drive a harder bargain than that.
And all kinds of possibilities suggest themselves. Isn't it time that the Hebrew that appears on Yale's shield be gotten rid of? It gives the wrong idea to Muslim students and faculty (Masin Qumsiyeh, for example, must not have enjoyed seeing that). It implies some kind of connection to the Old Testament, felt by the founders of Yale. Why, some of them might even have known Hebrew. No need to remind people today of that. Not if you want assorted members of the Al-Saud, Al-Maktoum, Al-Thani, and Al-Sabah families, and all their courtiers who made money in the way such courtiers do at the kind of courts that exist in the Middle East sheikdoms, to contribute.
But the Simon Fraser incident is mere metonymy. It is part for the whole. It is what all universities do, when they accept those Arab-funded centers. Georgetown has allowed its name to be corrupted, by allowing the Saudis and others to fund that Esposito-run effort ctthat is merely a propagandistic attempt to mislead about Islam, and that until recently, exploited the Georgetown name, but now me, having been renmaed after a Saudi prince, merely exploits the Georgetown connection.
When this or that university -- Durham or Exeter -- creates an islamic or Arab studies center, or when the Saudis suddenly drop large sums o nthe niversity of Arkansas when the Man from Hope is President, or when Jimmy Carter takes every conceivalbe multi-million dollar donation he can for all his Carter Centers and other monuments to his own wonderfulness and holier-than-thouness, when the British government refuses to allow legal inquiries to procedd about corruption involving the Saudis for fear of losing a contract, when everyone and his brother tiptoes around for fear of offending the Saudis though there is nothing whatsoever they can do to us, because they have listened to all the well-paid Western hirelings of the rich Arabs, including ex-diplomats, former intelligence agents who then went into business with the Saudis, journalists, and others whose mission it has become to prevent Western governments reading Saudi Arabia the riot act about the tens of billions it spends promoting thorugh mosques and madrasas -- that in turn promote hatred of Infidels (and visits to such mosques, where the kind of written propaganda they distribute has been collected and analyzed) -- the undoing of the West, then the little incident at Simon Fraser, awful as it is, telling as it is, can be seen only as a little token of what is going on, has been going on, and will continue to go on unless the people and governments of the Western world (full of those who no doubt hope to profit once out of govrenment, from doing the bidding of the Saudis and other rich Arabs -- why, a million-dollar speech or two would be just the ticket, wouldn't it? After all, so many of our ex-Presidents and cabinet members have been rewarded in that fashion, and as Prince Bandar says, when word gets around of the promise of such future Arab or Saudi largesse, that can affect present attitudes and behavior).
Just for a handful of silver? Or a bit more, everywhere you look.
Posted by: Hugh at January 3, 2007 10:13 AM
It is truly amazing how non-Muslims are completely silenced from speaking out against Islam, or else we be deemed a bigot and ostracized.
It's only amazing when it surprises, and it surprises only when one hadn't noticed it before. Sure, one noticed PC before, and regularly decried it whenever it popped onto one's radar; but what had not been noticed before was not the sheer and annoying existence of PC, but the prevalance and dominance and mainstream acceptance of PC. And now that this prevalant, dominant, generally accepted PC exerts one of its many, unremarkably powerful muscles to take down an inveterate, benign and harmless symbol in deference to the sensitivities of carriers of a non-Western culture, it amazes.
To me, it is truly amazing that it keeps on amazing. The reflex to be amazed stems from a serious misperception of the nature and extent of PC; and such a serious misperception of PC will likely hinder our ability to deconstruct it -- which in turn, will likely hinder our ability to deal effectively with the problem of Islam, since it is highly unlikely that we will be able to do the latter without doing the former.
at January 3, 2007 10:32 AM
Assalamau Alaikum Maryrose,
The crusades themselves were not all that successful against muslims. Only the 1st crusade managed to get to Jerusalem. After taking it back from the infidel, some years later, the 7 crusades later failed quite nicely thank you.
It is not the crusades themselves but 3 key factors that surprised us muslims..hence the hatred.
1)The idea of a Holy War against Allah’s chosen Muslims started to become acceptable to medieval European secular and religious powers, as well as the public in general. Fighting a holy war was a muslim idea…and we don’t like being copied when we are successful.
2)The emerging political conception of Christendom, which saw the union of Christian kingdoms under Papal guidance for the first time (in the High Middle Ages) and the creation of a Christian army to fight the Muslims. The union of several kingdoms fighting under Holy guidance was 1st created by the muslim…so called Ummah, it’s a muslim idea…and we don’t like being copied when we are successful.
3)It was Pope Urban II who first disseminated to the general public the idea of a Crusade to capture the Holy Land with the famous words, Deus vult! ("God wills it!"). I mean the deception here is descipible….Deus vult….he stole it…STOLE IT from Allahu Akbar.
Now perhaps you know the truth...aqnd it hurts doesn't it..…the crusades stole and emulated vital Islamic tools of success.
Posted by: Naseem at January 3, 2007 10:39 AM
No Naseem, the truth doesn't hurt at all. The truth is, Christ already vanquished your "god" Satan, oops, I mean, Allah, when He died on the cross and rose again three days later. What did Mohammad ever do that was that spectacular? Steal several ideas from the Bible and Torah to make up his own religion and then convince a bunch of half wits that if they blew themselves up they could have all the sex they wanted in the after life?
Let's be honest here, "Show me just what Mohammad brought that was new and there you will find only things evil and inhuman." You know, I once had a Muslim business acquaintance who told me I should really think about becoming a Muslim. I asked him why he thought I'd give up Jesus Christ to follow Mohammad. He gave me some story that was so insignificant I don't even remember it now. But then he asked me what was so great about Jesus, and I told him that He said He would die on the cross and then be raised to life again after three days, and then HE DID IT. And you know what this Muslim guy had to say about that? Absolutely nothing. It was the first time since I met him that he had no answer for me.
Oh, BTW, did you see your guys get their asses kicked in Somalia over the weekend? Yeah, Naseem, the truth really hurts.
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at January 3, 2007 11:13 AM
Naseem - if we ever have another crusade it will be the last one. The main mistake the previous cross-worsippers made rests in their goal. They wanted to treat the symptom.... free the Holy Land from threats and control by Muslims. They didn't realize that to permanently free the Holy Land they needed to destroy the source of the threat - Mecca.
If we have a religious war at some point during my life I will do everything I can to make sure people realize that the root cause of the threat is in Mecca and that this needs to be destroyed. Mohammed must be discredited and the idea that al-Lah is all-knowing, all-seeing, all-powerful needs to be proven wrong. The only thing that can accomplish this is the taking of the Ka'baa and it's destruction along with the sites in Mecca and Medinah.
Then the byzantine-style gazebo on top the Temple Mount needs to be removed as well. Thus when the three most important sites to Islam have been removed people can no longer fulfill requirements to be Muslim. The salat is chopped... the haj is chopped... and al-Lah is shown to be nothing more than the franchise of the 7th Century charismatic sociopath named Katem or something to that effect. He gave himself the name 'Mohammed' later in life. Mohammed means 'praised one'... and is not the name his mother gave him.
Once these goals have been accomplished we'll have forced 1.2 billion people to reconsider some absolute beliefs. This will cause a change in the world for the better. Respecting something because it is 1,426 years old and has 1.2 billion followers will only prolong the terrible legacy cause more deaths.
Unfortunately we won't be able to get to this point until the Islamic world kills millions more and destroys whole cities or nations.
at January 3, 2007 11:29 AM
Hey Naseem,
I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner at SFU. Since it's inception, SFU has been full of a bunch of liberal hippie tree-hugging tolerant moral relativist idiots that will kowtow to multiculturalism and political correctness to make everybody happy. Tolerance is a virtue of those who believe in nothing.
I couldn't really give a damn now anyways. You and the rest of the Islamofascists just keep on accelerating Jesus' second coming with your crusade against God's people. That's fine with me. The sooner I'm away from you pagan moongod, meteorite in a cube worshiping, Muhammad (Psychotic delusions Be Upon Him)loving Satanists, the better. You can have the Earth because we saved Christians won't be needing it. Enjoy the Tribulation with your savior Al-Mahdi and rest of the Islamotards, especially during the Seal and Trumpet judgments (if you survive that long). Just for the record, Muhammad - dead and buried pagan Arab. Jesus Christ - living Son of God. End of story.
Posted by: bigwhiteinfidel at January 3, 2007 11:44 AM
I've long suspected that the poster "Nasseem" is a non-Muslim fraud -- though genuinely Western and Leftist (even if to date, I've rarely been interested enough in his games to weigh in). I would like to note now, however, that the argument presented above by him -- summed up by his assertion that the crusades stole and emulated vital Islamic tools of success -- seems to be a sly way of maneuvering the tu quoque fallacy around the right flank. He missed his chance, however, to cap his argument with the coup de grâce: namely, that the Crusaders -- and/or their present apologists -- also stole from Muslims the idea of dressing up offensive conquest with deceptive protestations of "self-defense". Perhaps this was not a mere oversight on the part of the poster "Nasseem", but the sign of a shred of sense to know that such a capper to his argument -- the linchpin, really, without which the rest crumbles even if accurate -- is indefensible and supremely easy to refute.
Posted by: remote_control at January 3, 2007 12:04 PM
"Oh Canada. Who is standing on guard for thee ? "
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The People themselves!
Don't count on church or state.
Posted by: allat at January 3, 2007 12:04 PM
Concerned Canadian, you may have the weapons, and the scientific intellect....but we have the faith and more importantly will have you by the balls.
DON'T try and pull that gun trigger to mow us down or we will squeeze your balls so hard that you won't be able to fire (in more ways than 1).
Here's hoping to see you in a beard and your grand-daughter in a burka at this very college soon....ROTFL.
Posted by: Naseem
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Very funny! fiction can be fun!
Dream on bud. you just don't have the numbers ...Yet, and we will have already been forced to throw you and your lot out of the western Couintries long before that can happen. so while you are ROTFL ( rolling on the floor laughing ) you might want to pray to Allah to save your filthy ass! but it won't be enough!
Posted by: Concerned Canadian at January 3, 2007 12:05 PM
"It is truly amazing how non-Muslims are completely silenced from speaking out against Islam, or else we be deemed a bigot and ostracized. Before too long, there will, in all probability, be laws in place penalizing all who dare speak about Islam."
BEFORE TOO LONG, THERE WILL, IN ALL PROBABILITY BE LAWS IN PLACE PENALIZING ALL WHO DARK SPEAK ABOUT ISLAM
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In fact,t here is one being implemented, as we speak. The Wicked never rest:
FEDERAL HATE LAW
http://www.rense.com/general74/fedlaw.htm
And what are you "Infidels" gonna do about it!
at January 3, 2007 12:08 PM
Naseem,
I think you are a woman for a change....DON'T try and pull that gun trigger to mow us down or we will squeeze your balls so hard that you won't be able to fire (in more ways than 1).
Now you have my attention... since I like to imagine you like this:
http://www.despardes.com/people/feb21%20yasmeen%20ghauri.htm
You promise to squeeze my balls (in more ways than 1) is something to look forward to.
Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at January 3, 2007 12:15 PM
Naseem:
Baby, I just love you. You and your kind are SOOOO stupid, while your islamic hierachy play - PLAY- you do the dirty work for them!
How does it feel to be POOR - and be used.
You, lower class islamics are JUST whores - lying there "presenting" - for your clerics.
AND ALLTHE WHILE - THEY'RE LAUGHING AT YOU!
Behind your backs - you suffer and bleed and die for them, while you have to work your butts off to support yourselves and your religion.
The clerics push you poor suckers - incite you to beat your chests like gorillas - and jump around - go here - run there - while they sit back in their mosques, or their luxurious houses - AND LAUGHING AT YOU.
The clerics in Iran may whear black and white robes - you you can bet your ass, the cloth is well washed and ironed AND of the finest material. AND certainly they have clean water and electricity, and fine food.
THAT YOU FOOLS HAVE PROVIDED FOR THEM!
While you live in dumps.
When you go to your Heaven, you may NOT find the virgins you expected:
http://www.prophetmohammed.co.uk/imagessite/onlyinfidel/nunszaqawi.jpg
BWAHAHAHHA!
at January 3, 2007 12:20 PM
"Now perhaps you know the truth...aqnd it hurts doesn't it..…the crusades stole and emulated vital Islamic tools of success."
Actually, it's the other way around. The islamics STOLE the land from the Greeks and Romans, and Indigenous Peoples.
In fact, the islamics STOLE the land of Arabia - from their own Indigenous Peoples.
http://www.hinduunity.org/articles/islamexposed/preislamicarabia.html
HO MAN - I know why the Hindus are HOT against the Muslims. In India, it's like a cat and a dog in a sack.
Pre-islamic Arabia was a land of honor and ethics - where a man's word wa the most valuable thing he owned IN THIS WORLD!
THAT is why the slime moha-mad was able to prevail, because Arabic men of honor trusted him - and the demon-possessed mohammad tricked them, lied to them!
Posted by: allat at January 3, 2007 12:29 PM
"In the name of tolerance, we have intolerance; in the name of welcoming, we have hostility, and in the name of unity, we now have division," said junior Joe Luppino-Esposito.Like Robert noted, beautifully put. Isn't Joe Esposito a one time singer from the 80's? Posted by: Infidel Pride
at January 3, 2007 12:31 PM
They should also agree not to use date such as 1965 anymore as these are a reminder of AD and associated with the death of Christ (Son of God and not a paedophile).
They should simply refer to "42 years ago" or whatever.
Posted by: Celsius at January 3, 2007 12:45 PM
I used to believe that Naseem was, well, something like she said she was, a wife and mother,living in Pakistan, half-educated, and sneaking to use her master's computer when he was gone to slaughter a sheep or visit another wife. I am now on the other side. Naseem is a college student, dropping into JW to get a reaction from us. Happy New Year, Naseem!! Have lots of fun over your break; you are probably bored at home right now and looking for something to do. Do something really important, like take out the trash for your mother.......
Posted by: maryrose at January 3, 2007 12:58 PM
Why not just remove the "Simon" so that when Muslims arrive at the enterance it will have the sign " F.U. " so there's no misunderstanding
about forcing Islam on students by-proxy.
at January 3, 2007 1:02 PM
Wonder how much the mahometans would pay to remove those pesky Hebrew words from the Yale crest? Maybe translate "light and truth" to the 'original' arabic? What's the arabic for "lies and darkness", since that's where our universities are heading.
Posted by: Infidel33 at January 3, 2007 1:22 PM
"You JW peoples may know that this is bad for the Amerike/Canada...but the common man does not...but he is content...there is no need to spread this infornmation round....no need to depress anybody else...eh...nod nod...wink wink...it'll be our little secret...MUM's the word.
Posted by: Naseem at January 3, 2007 09:25 AM
Wishful thinking on your part that this Islamic charade will last indefinately. Cleaning up the filth in Europe will be a difficult task, for sure, but once a country or two ends up in a violent struggle, the world will awake. It will certainly not be to late for America, not by a long shot.
at January 3, 2007 1:23 PM
For a few dollars more those crosses could have easily been replaced with crescents. THAT will be the wave of the future as the corrosive power of dirty oil money continues to spread unabated. Universities, like politicians, are nothing but whores selling themselves to the highest Islamaniac bidder.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at January 3, 2007 1:25 PM
Naseem said:
Concerned Canadian, you may have the weapons, and the scientific intellect....but we have the faith and more importantly will have you by the balls.
Seriously now:
Naseem sweetheart, you honestly think that Muhammedans can win a war against the West? Let's see: a tiny lil nation like Israel has managed to humiliate the Muhammedans in the Middle East, and yet you think that the remaining Islamists can overcome the West?
Posted by: Crusader at January 3, 2007 2:35 PM
I was pretty sure Naseem wouldn't come back to me on the 'squeezing balls' promise.
You leave me hanging once again Naseem. Just when it promised to get interesting. You should think about becoming one of those wild slutty womens you like to mention. That is the one thing I can't resist. You could have your way with me Naseem ( in more ways than 1 )
Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at January 3, 2007 2:43 PM
if my system of nanostates comes into being the gravy train for colleges will be ended & the insanity of gigantism that threatens those who arent worldgovists will end
Posted by: god at January 3, 2007 2:56 PM
naseem please do the honorable thing & leave the country
Posted by: god at January 3, 2007 2:59 PM
I wish I could say I'm surprised but I'm not. I live about ten minutes from SFU, I'm not the least surprised but still I am very disappointed.
Anyone who knows anything about this university can tell you it is a hot bed for ultra liberal and leftist teachings. It has been a school of lower education for some time now, but that is what unfortunately turns British Columbians on.
Schools like this one love to take the liberal approach of pretending to be hi minded, while spewing the ideologies that are tearing apart all of our institutions that have made western civilization an endangered species.
How ironic that places that are designed to improve life and creativity are the ones leading the charge into the next dark age.
Niv
Posted by: niv at January 3, 2007 3:01 PM
Thanks for the Simon Fraser information. I've got a kid approaching college age, and I've been thinking about encouraging him to apply to good schools in Canada:eg McGill, Queens University, and Simon Fraser. Well cross SF from the list, and I'll have a hard look at the others. OT - does SF still have that killer pipe band? Used to be one of the best in North America. McShimi must be rotating in his grave (head spinning separately) at having his family crest defiled by sassenach dhimmis!
Posted by: MP at January 3, 2007 3:33 PM
What were those words again?
Vladimir Ilyich Lenin quotes:
"The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them."
at January 3, 2007 4:53 PM
although the correct amount is 30 pieces of silver, wasn't it?
Posted by: Carolyn2 at January 3, 2007 4:57 PM
is - wasn't (you know what I meant)
/chasing a 2 year old
at January 3, 2007 4:58 PM
Carolyn 2,
I understood what you meant. Unfortunately, we're not even selling them the rope. We're buying it for them with their oil money.
Oh, Nancy Pelosi, come and save us!!! (Very, very, tongue in cheek.)
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at January 3, 2007 5:16 PM
Allat said:
In fact,there is one being implemented, as we speak. The Wicked never rest:
FEDERAL HATE LAW
http://www.rense.com/general74/fedlaw.htm
And what are you "Infidels" gonna do about it!
I'll tell you what I did about it...I sent your link to twenty of my friends and relatives and asked them to read it, pass it on and call their Congressmen. Thanks for the information. If the hate-crimes bill gets passed Doug Hooper will be able to make our lives miserable anytime he likes. And worse than Islam, worse than gang rape, worse than no more BLT's, I DON'T WANT THAT LYING SACK OF YOU-KNOW-WHAT TELLING ME OR MINE HOW TO RUN OUR LIVES!! That's why the flying Imams story came about. It's much ado about nothing. Read the statistics as to the percentage of hate crimes that happen in America : 1/15th of 1%.
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at January 3, 2007 5:56 PM
I'm a native Baltimoron - Wait till the Jihadists get a gander at the Maryland flag.
Posted by: MP at January 3, 2007 7:30 PM
Simon Fraser University is widely known in Vancouver as the one where people too dumb to get into UBC go. This can only serve to enhance its already high reputation among the brainless trendy-antiglobal-radical-leftist hoards who study and teach (to use both terms very loosely) in droves.
Posted by: angloirishslav at January 3, 2007 7:57 PM
You gxxdxmn faithless lot engineered it, Jesus (PBUH) became a saheed to save you...and this is how you atone him..LOL ...each day going by shines brighter for Islam and sharia.
Naseem! Such nasty language! And speaking of grabbing a man's ... well, manhood, to whom you aren't married. Such Muslim piety, from a non-Muslim Ahmadi, those peaceful, peaceful, peaceful Ahmadis.
I can see you are stressed about your granddaughters wearing miniskirts or worse(horrors!) believing the B..B..BIBLE! How is your son's romance going? Got up the nerve to give her the da'wa yet? How did it go? Sorry Anwer is not around for an honor killing, huh?
Just to correct your theology, however, Jesus IS the Atonement, no one atones FOR him.
Islam and sharia? Swirling the drain counterclockwise just like the tawaf around Ka'aba. Go back to watching Begum Ali on the TV. Or maybe the video of Saddam swinging on the rope and Sunnis killing Shia with new fervor and vice versa. Or read the latest about the abject failure of the Islamic Courts in Somalia. Keep watching, we're about to pop Ahmadinejad like a Middle Eastern Islamic pimple.
Posted by: Concerned Citizen at January 3, 2007 9:19 PM
The coat of arms also contains two blue quarters each with three white flowers, symbols of the Blessed Virgin Mary. The two red quarters each contain three golden crowns. Each quarter therefore contains a symbol of the Holy Trinity and the total of twelve represents the Apostles.
Simon Fraser, himself (1776–18 August 1862) was a fur trader and an explorer who charted much of what is now the Canadian province of British Columbia. He was a descendant of the Clan Fraser of Scotland and several of his ancestors had been Lord Mayors of Nottingham. He himself was a Christian.
at January 4, 2007 1:41 PM
angloirishslav- Many thanks for the info of SFU. I'll stand clear.
Posted by: MP at January 4, 2007 2:19 PM
Infidel 33,
I was thinking the same thought about the Yale crest. "Light and Truth" in Hebrew AND Latin. Enough to start a Muslim rampage and/or bidding war!
Interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elihu_Yale
Also, Provoslavani ... "The coat of arms also contains two blue quarters each with three white flowers, symbols of the Blessed Virgin Mary. The two red quarters each contain three golden crowns. Each quarter therefore contains a symbol of the Holy Trinity and the total of twelve represents the Apostles." .. thanks .. I did get the blue and the flowers .. but the crowns eluded me. The crosses should not have been sold. Of course, such sales are not without precedent .. and the West is still here.
Posted by: Daisytoo at January 4, 2007 4:43 PM
"vital Islamic tools of success."
.....Intimidation, assault, rape, murder, extortion, plunder, incest, IED's, machine guns, mortars, rockets, land mines, torture, executions, lies, deceit, and old bearded clerics with crooked pointing fingers.
at January 5, 2007 6:33 AM
The crosses have got to go ..
Yes, on the ballot papers to elect officials in County, State and National governing bodies who will work for values hostile to the islamophiles.
We love all the musslime
Their beards are so warm
We're told they are cuddly
And bear us no harm ..
Their religion is peace
And goodwill to men
If you don't believe it
I'll say it again ..
Their religion is peace
And goodwill to all men
[But not to the Infidels
Or any women. Amen] ..
So let's all surrender
And welcome them in
Then we can join Islam
And all live in sin.
at January 6, 2007 3:39 PM
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