"He favors stiffening the penalties against cab drivers who refuse fares for any reason other than their own safety."

Refusing passengers who carry alcohol is a reason of safety for the Muslim drivers, related to the primary preoccupation of all Muslims: the fear of going to Hell -- a preoccupation, ironically, that tends to pave their road to it.

Posted by: remote_control at January 3, 2007 10:11 AM

I knew it! I knew the outcome of the flying imam thing was going to be private Muslim prayer rooms at MSP!

Sons of bitches.

Posted by: radishthegreat at January 3, 2007 10:21 AM

"Where you have Christians and Muslims praying at the same time, it will create a problem," said Fuad Ali

Well, the only people that it creates a problem with are the moo-slims. They want their prayer rooms secretive. It is wwaayy too hard to make a bomb to kill the infidels if they are standing there watching you with a suspicious eye.

Posted by: Black Dog at January 3, 2007 10:25 AM

give the poor islamists a prayer room - right on the main runway in front of a 747 doing 200km/hr - thats all these F**** deserve - prayer room my ass!

Posted by: johnmac at January 3, 2007 10:42 AM

Give them a prayer room, and plant it with eavesdropping devices. That way as soon as someone gets out of line..............Or better yet, make 1 prayer room and decorate it with symbols from various religions, that way it is fair across the board. Oh wait...that might be discrimination. After all it is offensive to disgrace the 1 religion that cannot even come to grips with the fact that many people = many beliefs. Screw 'em!!! No Prayer Room For You!! Keep hiding the truth.

Posted by: americanmadestrat at January 3, 2007 11:02 AM

Tobacco is essential to my religious rituals. I would like a smoking room/prayer room in every public facility including the airports.

I need to smoke like a chimney while I pray. The wafting smoke raises my praise to God like incense.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at January 3, 2007 11:05 AM

It would be fun to hang in that room after the rastafarians left too!!

Posted by: americanmadestrat at January 3, 2007 11:11 AM

I recently took my dog to visit a relative and bring cheer at United hospital in downtown St. Paul. There were Somalis parking cars at the front entrance. A commotion ensued, and not until long after did I realize that they were upset about my dog, and the boss would park my car.

Posted by: moderationist at January 3, 2007 11:12 AM

Any Senator, Congressman or other politician take note: This is just another avenue that we are being attacked on in case you didn't get the message from Congressman Goode. On the other hand if you are reading this, then maybe there is hope. I doubt it though.

As for the islambos, haha, maybe we should set the prayer room next to the pork BBQ!!! After all, one needs to set a proper feast for God before praying! If you want to pray, then pray like everybody else.. If you ride the same planes, you can pray in the same rooms.. I agree keep the cameras on and the microphones turned up.

As for the taxis, is this another example of jobs that Americans won't do?

Posted by: lonewolf at January 3, 2007 11:16 AM

mmmmm....BBQ spare ribs!!!! I gotta get lunch!

Posted by: americanmadestrat at January 3, 2007 11:33 AM

Inch by Inch.

Acquiescing to demands for a Muslim prayer room will lead, incrementally, to other demands.

How will Sheik Ellison respond to the frantic pleas from his Somali constituents to force MSP to establish the prayer room; and all of the other uniquely Islamic demands to follow?

Looking forward ten years, will MSP passengers subjected to the call to prayer through the public address system, too?

Posted by: PRCS at January 3, 2007 11:38 AM

I'm for kicking ass and taking names here. I'd investigate the hell out of these guys--immigration status, welfare payments, income tax payments, criminal records--and if, to coin a phrase, "everything wasn't kosher," and their paperwork wasn't in order, hell, even if their paperwork was in order, I'd ship them back to Somalia, multiple wives and children included, where their finely tuned Muslim sensibilities wouldn't be rubbed raw as they are here in the Infidel United States which, inexplicably, doesn't bow to their obviously "just demands."

Posted by: GaryK at January 3, 2007 11:43 AM

Lonewolf & Americanmadestrat,

Don't worry. The Chili's upstairs serves both pulled pork sandwiches as well as copious amounts of beer at Happy Hour. Let's see if the holier-than-thou's can shut down a favored American eatery. You want to hear some whining?

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at January 3, 2007 11:45 AM

'Airport Director Steve Wareham said if the airport provides a special area for Muslims to use, it potentially would have to accommodate other faiths the same way.

'"Our request would be you try the quiet seating area," he told the Somali immigrants.

[...]

'At the same time, there is no restriction on praying in other parts of the airport, Wareham said.

[...]

'At least the issue of the prayer room was met with some accommodation, said Abdirahman Hirsi, imam of the Darul Quba Mosque.'

Um...am I missing something here. Wareham appears to be saying no.

But Hirsi seems to think 'no' means 'some accommodation'.

Huh?

And forgive my ignorance, but does anyone really need a room in which to pray? Does Allah, God or L. Ron Hubbard give you extra house-points if you pray in a designated area?

Posted by: A Nonny Nonny at January 3, 2007 12:09 PM

Be sure when you next fly into the Minneapolis airport that you bring a bottle of liquor with you. As you stand in the line for taxis, make sure that any taxi-driver will see it. If hundreds of passengers carry those bottles, it will send, and keep sending back, those drivers who refuse the fares. Eventually they will get the idea.

Whiskey, Vodka, whatever it takes.

Into thy hands I commend, for this task, any conceivable spirit.

Posted by: Hugh at January 3, 2007 12:10 PM

Muslims....demand.....

Muslims...demand....

Muslims...demand...

Posted by: poetcomic1 at January 3, 2007 12:12 PM

"Where you have Christians and Muslims praying at the same time, it will create a problem," said Fuad Ali, a Somali leader who spoke at a meeting of community members and airport officials Tuesday in Minneapolis.

Isn't it interesting how he doesn't want to pray in the same rooms as christians....sounds a little like a bigot to me. Oh but that can't be, muslims aren't bigoted towards non muslims.

Posted by: gaelen at January 3, 2007 12:20 PM

Ali said Tuesday that he and other Somalis want a prayer room so they will not be faced with a similar incident.

Create an incident in order to receive one or more prerogatives designed to help you avoid having to face a similar incident in the future.

610 * 623 * 732 * 1066 * 1215 * 1453 * 1492 * 1683 * 1928 * 1938 * 1948 * 1996 * 2001

Archangel Gabriel visited me in my basement last month and revealed Pillars of Islam 6 thru 10.

Ali is working the 7th Pillar:

* 7th Pillar * Wherever feasible, observant Moslems must claim having been victimized for their belief in Islam, proclaim such discrimination to the Infidel public, invoke Infidel customs and laws as applicable , demand new customs and laws if none are applicable at the time the crime against Islam was committed, and aggressively push for redress so that all Moslems may enjoy the prerogative that results from such a complaint, whether the original complaint was real, partially real, or false.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at January 3, 2007 12:31 PM

When they pray, they adopt the position of a grovelling slave as their master, allah, demands. Why do they need a nice new room for that?

They should show their true humility and grovel on the sidewalk.

Posted by: Celsius at January 3, 2007 12:38 PM

The Muslims are obsessed with the acquisition of space, whether it be rooms, buildings, land. Isn't that why it is a mote point that the dhimmis at William and Mary College remove a cross from their chapel to make it more friendly to non-Christians? The Muslims will want, or maybe they are already have, a SEPARATE room for their prayers, whether it is at a college or airport or hospital or elsewhere. Nothing less will do. I look forward to the ongoing airport controversy. I wonder if Rep. Ellison will weigh in on the matter. I am sure that he is already under pressure to do so by his constituents.

Posted by: maryrose at January 3, 2007 12:40 PM

As far as I'm concerned these malcontents can pray to their bogus god in the men's room. An airport is not a mosque

Posted by: dennisw at January 3, 2007 12:46 PM

yeah the Minneapolis airport has a quiet seating area prayer area. But that isn't good enough for the Muslims who want their own private Mecca room to do the boogie woogie

Cue the piano player, baby!

Posted by: dennisw at January 3, 2007 12:50 PM

List of demands! Pfft!

How bout we post a list of REQUIREMENTS!

They are not the ones to be Making DEMANDS in the post 911 Islamo fanatic world!

" Thank you for your understanding " is the only explanation they should get!

Posted by: Concerned Canadian at January 3, 2007 1:00 PM

All demands will be met-Minnesota Nice must and shall prevail.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at January 3, 2007 1:12 PM

Concerned Canadian - I agree, there should be a list of requirements for anybody seeking to live in the U.S.. Especially those that come from hostile lands (and religions).

Posted by: americanmadestrat at January 3, 2007 1:58 PM

"Airport hesitant to grant Muslim prayer room"

Use the Loo!

Posted by: alexon at January 3, 2007 2:31 PM

What St. Paul Airport Authorities do not know is that once a separate prayer room is given to muslims that room is lost to Islam forever. Land once acquired by Islam is considered to me Islamic for ever. So, there goes more land to Islam one room at a time...........

Posted by: Alert at January 3, 2007 2:47 PM

If the Airport caves in on this, they are opening the floodgates to accomodating any form of "religious" observance.Let's try Minnesota- Nice with a religion that requires the sacramental use of hashhish followed by ritual copulation. Think the airport could support that?

Posted by: MP at January 3, 2007 3:27 PM

Remember how the school officials used to use the argument against Christian prayer in schools?
If we allow Christian prayer and symbols we'll have mass confusion with witchcraft and all sorts of religions demanding equality....
Time to use that argument again.
Muslims should hit the trail.
Islam is not compatible with freedom

Posted by: Carolyn2 at January 3, 2007 3:55 PM

Somalian Muslims, in my opinion, are even more arrogant and have less manners than muslims from other countries. I unfortunately work in an area of the city where there are a lot of them and they all behave in the same rude, aggressive and stupid manner. Also, a common scam the somalian women have going on is that they claim to be single mothers of dozens of children, they live in subsidized housing paying only about $100.00 of rent each month while collecting welfare and living with their spouses who work. After a few years, they gather enough cash to purchase expensive homes in nice neighbourhoods which they ruin with their presence. I'm sure a lot of people are catching on, but will not speak up because of their fears that they'll be charged with Islamophobia or racial hatred.

Posted by: CrusaderChick at January 3, 2007 4:53 PM

'"Where you have Christians and Muslims praying at the same time, it will create a problem," said Fuad Ali, a Somali leader who spoke at a meeting of community members and airport officials Tuesday in Minneapolis.'

I really think Fuad should have been asked why believes this.

Silly agnostic that I am, I cannot understand why a Muslim and a Christian cannot pray in the same room as each other. After all, we are told that Islam and Christianity are tolerant, peaceful religions.

So if that room is not festooned with any religious paraphernalia and is simply a place of peace and quiet, why should this present a problem to Fuad?

I am tempted to ask the same of any practising Christians here. Do they (a) need a special room and (b) feel that it would be problematic to share a prayer space with people of other faiths?

Posted by: A Nonny Nonny at January 3, 2007 4:58 PM

Gary K said, (at 11:43am,)

"...I'd ship them back to Somalia...where their finely tuned Muslim sensibilities wouldn't be rubbed raw as they are here in the Infidel United States..."

If these people are truly rubbed raw by our lack of whatever it is that they want that we don't offer, wouldn't the charitable thing to do be to get them out of here and back to where they are not rubbed raw? If I walk into a crowded bar and the cigarette smoke makes me cough, should I turn around and walk out or should everyone stop smoking? Oops...bad analogy!

On another note, today I was reading the comments on the Washington Post where people were talking about Virgil Goode and his negativity towards Keith Ellison being sworn in with his hand on the Koran. The comments were just more of the same drivel about racism and getting along and being more Christian by following the Bible and letting others be who they are. It dawned on me that this propaganda which has turned most peoples' minds into mush in the U.S. when it comes to the codeword "Islam" has been being pumped into us for a very long time. There are some I've talked to who see the threat, see the danger, but most people I've talked to go into brainwashed mode and say the exact same words:

1) Islam is a religion of peace.

2) Well, the Bible is very violent, too.

Or my favorite

3) Oh, I've read the Koran.

And what's so great about it for the Islamists is these people don't even have to think before it comes out of their mouths.

This is how Dougie Hooper gets away with his below-average-IQ rantings. This is what each and every one of us here have to make the commitment to deprogram in 2007.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at January 3, 2007 5:05 PM

Hey. I am very a occasional poster here on Dhimmi-Watch and am a Minneapolis resident. The Muslims here are out of control. These airport demands ain't the half of it. Firstly there was the rally reported here on Jihadwatch, last week in support of the Jihadis in Somalia, we got Keith Ellison and from reliable sources(teachers,social worker types) I have word that polygamy and female circimcision are rife here. Another Muslim act of aggression that has recently surfaced here, is the demand that liquor stores in neighborhoods they have colonized close down. Along Central avenue in what is called Nord-East Arabs, Afghans and others have set up businesses, and they don't like some of the pre-colonization neighbors iF you get my drift. Muslims , mostly non- Somali's have gained a substantial and negative presence in two suburbs abutting Minneapolis's North Side Columbia Heights and Fridley. They are both straight down central Avenue.

Other Muslim news here Somali gangs are robbing people and stealing cars. And at one Minneapolis High school;Washburn Highschool there was a recent incident in which Somali students assaulted American Born Black students with bats and other weapons sending several people to the Hospital.

I hate to say it but we Minnesotans are idiots and so are the churches (Lutheran and Catholic) that brought many of these people here as so-called refugees. We have a big,big Muslim problem and in my opinion is unwinnable due to the political climate here. Moving away is looking pretty damn good right now. I give up, the kind of liberalism that has allow all this to happen is a mental-disorder.

Posted by: abdulalshirk at January 3, 2007 5:42 PM

abdulalshirk,

Your comments should be seen as a warning about having too much of a Muslim presence.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at January 3, 2007 5:57 PM

Valet parking at a St Paul hospital? Wow that is really uptown. Can't park a car,eh? Can't vote rationally either.

Down here in Southern Appalachia, we can park our own.

Hugh's advice as applied to t-totalers, a vodka bottle full of water will work too.

Posted by: Pelayo at January 3, 2007 6:06 PM

o/t. full page NYT ad attacking Dhimmi Jakarta's new book

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=118&x_article=1263

Posted by: Madduck at January 3, 2007 7:40 PM

pertinent..

"Dissolution in Europe's future?
By Arnold Beichman
December 30, 2006

"Some four decades ago, Enoch Powell, a British Conservative parliamentarian, delivered a controversial speech about immigration from Commonwealth countries.
His words shocked his party leaders and led to his political downfall. Said Powell, soldier, academic and classicist in April 1968: "[T]he immigrant communities can organize to consolidate their members, to agitate and campaign against their fellow citizens, and to overawe and dominate the rest with the legal weapons which the ignorant and the ill-informed have provided. As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding. Like the Roman, I seem to see the River Tiber foaming with much blood." (Powell was alluding to Virgil's line from the epic "Aeneid" about the Tiber foaming with blood. (For Latinists: "Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno.") "

..the rest..
http://www.washingtontimes.com/commentary/20061229-085634-7602r.htm

Posted by: Madduck at January 3, 2007 7:45 PM

Demands from Florida:

Crossing the pond to the USA: Muslim Inmates Sue State Over Diet

Ummah News Links

Posted by: ummahnewslinks at January 3, 2007 8:36 PM

Isabella,

If you'd like to review other mindless drivel, check out the comments section following this USA Today letter from Representative Goode:

Opposing view: Save Judeo-Christian values
http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2007/01/opposing_view_s.html

Here's an example of flabbergasting ignorance:

"this guy is a bigot and racist and should remember that he doesn't speak for all americans, neither does he speak for american values.he does not support true freedom, which allows for people to practice their own religion. he should study more about Islam, which is a religion of peace, rather than take the actions of a group of individuals to represent the views of over a billion people, most of which have very different opinions regarding such topics."

Probably gets most of his info from Irshad Manji.

Posted by: PRCS at January 3, 2007 9:14 PM

"I hate to say it but we Minnesotans are idiots and so are the churches (Lutheran and Catholic) that brought many of these people here as so-called refugees. We have a big,big Muslim problem and in my opinion is unwinnable due to the political climate here. Moving away is looking pretty damn good right now. I give up, the kind of liberalism that has allow all this to happen is a mental-disorder".

Posted by: abdulalshirk at January 3, 2007 05:42 PM

You are SOOOO right! I've been in the Caliphate of Minnesota for 15 years and I've come to exactly the same conclusions-Minnesotans are indeed their own worst enemy, making it laughably easy to get free goodies. Why else is it known as Moneysota? Moochers from all over the US flock here and so do those supreme parasites called Islamaniacs. It's no wonder why Somalis might like jihad but they'll be damned if their going back to the old country and put their (tax) money where their mouths are. Moving out of here might have to be the only option if things get any worse around here.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at January 3, 2007 9:18 PM

This is how Dougie Hooper gets away with his below-average-IQ rantings.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at January 3, 2007 05:05 PM

... and while Americans can hardly think beyond this week, muslims are quietly building mosques, Islamic schools and "cultural centers" right under American noses. 9/11 should have taught Amercians that mosques, madrassas and "cultural centers" are Islamic forts and bunkers. But then, few can see beyond this weekend. Well, there is price, heavy price to pay for short-sightedness, as election of Keith Ellison demonstrates. On... and as for dubya and his admin, Americans are safer putting them in the "enemy" column.

Posted by: Alert at January 3, 2007 10:13 PM

A Muslim prayer room at an airport? How absurd. There are mosques designed for praying to your false god -- go there -- and leave our airports alone.

Posted by: champ at January 3, 2007 10:28 PM

A Nonny Nonny,

As a Christian, I can pray anywhere and at any time. You might not even now that I am praying. You might just think I was sitting quietly. As I am good at multi-tasking, I've even said short prayers while typing on this site. If the prayers are quiet, there should be no problems between multiple religions using one room. As a Christian, I don't have to say anything out loud when I pray. God can read my thoughts. I'm not sure of the muslim view on this, but I think they must recite a ritual prayer out loud. That could/would be disturbing for others using the same room.

I hope that helps..

Posted by: schwaben at January 3, 2007 10:44 PM

Like a new couple learning to dance, immigrants and their adopted countries often trip each other up, and the prayer-room issue is just one of the latest tangles between Somali immigrants and other Minnesotans.

Hey, lookie here, this dhimmi's a freakin' poet.

Here's a newsflash for you, Emily Gurnon of the Pioneer Press: I don't want to dance with these m*therf*ckers! I want them to get lost. And if the first step to getting them lost is loading your poetic dhimmi self to Somalia on the first plane out of Minneapolis Airport so you can be the immigrant dance partner in a "reverse US-Somali two-step", I'll do that, too. Capiche! How would you like that? No, you'd rather sit at your desk and spin out similies comparing bully tactics to a couple of smiling, awkward youths sharing their first dance at their wedding. Or, maybe if the couple is Somalian, it's the woman's first wedding dance and the guy's second, third or fourth. Oh, he hasn't divorced wives 1, 2 or 3, he's just your typical Muslim polygamist, that's all.

God, if my brain fell out or I had never been born with a brain to begin with, I would still be more intelligent than Emily Guron of the Pioneer Press. No wonder I never had any interest in journalism, my IQ is above single digits.

Posted by: venividivici at January 3, 2007 10:57 PM

A Nonny Nonny,

Silly agnostic that I am, I cannot understand why a Muslim and a Christian cannot pray in the same room as each other. After all, we are told that Islam and Christianity are tolerant, peaceful religions.

Seriously. How rude of the Muslims, too. To make God (since Christians and Muslims worship the same God, right? Isn't that what the Muslims are always saying?) have to pay attention to prayers coming from two different rooms, rather than one centralized location. God is busy enough that I'mm sure He appreciates whatever we humans can do to make his existence a bit more convenient.

Posted by: venividivici at January 3, 2007 11:02 PM

I agree with GaryK & Isabella the Crusader. Let's not cow-tow to these would be ??citizens who want America their way & can't fit in to Civilization! I think not! If they are so against America, they have the 1st Right of Freedoms to leave, & go back to Somalia or any other Muslim run country & get out of the Democracy they are complaining about so loudly.

Posted by: Donald's at January 4, 2007 12:11 AM

It sounds like this particular breed is ready to "melt" into American society. Fat chance.

Sue the taxi companies that feed these slime balls when you show up with a bottle of wine and they refuse to saet you.

"Discrimination" "I'm offended." Howl and wail. Make a scene. Religious oppression! Forcing religious beliefs by a public company on an American citizen! Where is the ACLU ?

There is a quiet place for Muslims to pray. It has a stall with a door, a seat with water running beneath it, in fact some even call it a rest or your own personal Islam.

Posted by: Briars at January 4, 2007 12:12 AM

My dear fellow bloggers, I advise all of you to spend a short holiday in France or the U.K. to see where this "Minnesotaism" is leading to...
I am sure you would stop complaining in hollow statements and begin to kick some real arse !
Now, you destroy my escape route to the last "free" country, the US of A, by letting these muslim-pigs in, and even begin to give in to their demands...please, come to your senses, Islam is the worst enemy you ever had to fight, no sort of swanky intellectualism will save your skins.. WAKE UP !!!, get rid of them, you are the last place left in the western world, and not for long anymore... Thanx.

Posted by: cosmicAvenger at January 4, 2007 4:21 AM

Thanks to schwaben and venividivici for your replies.

Thinking aloud...

I have long understood that prayers can be offered anywhere. Furthermore, there is no obligation on the prayee to be ostentatious or vociferous, is there?

Your relationship with God is a private matter; you may want to shout about it and have a wild public celebration but there is no religious obligation (that word again) on you, the devotee, to do so. But the fact is that you can pray anywhere and at any time, and still be a committed Christian.

Admittedly, I am looking at Christianity through the prism of an agnostic, albeit an agnostic from a secular 'post-Christian' society.

Subsequently, I am slightly bemused that Somalian Muslims feel compelled to ask for a special room; why praying with Christians in their vicinity will cause "problems", and so on.

Are they only permitted to pray provided they do so in accordance with strict Islamic guidelines?

Questions, questions...:-)

Posted by: A Nonny Nonny at January 4, 2007 9:44 AM

Ship all these ungrateful savages back to Somalia.

Posted by: US_infidel at January 4, 2007 10:15 AM

I know the existing prayer room very well. It used to have picutes of Jesus, Krishna, Buddah, the dome of the rock, and many more religous pictures. The article mentions that there were no pictures. I wonder if muslim facist have since torn all the pictures down. The room was also well stocked with religous books from all relgions. I wonder if everything but the Koran and related material was trashed? BTW, I have a copy of Syed Qutub's "Milestones," that i got out there. The prayer room is in the main area, so its a good distance from alot of the far flug concourses. Should they build one on each concourse? That is just selfish. In my travels through the muslim world I have yet to see a christian or non muslim prayer room in any of their airports. Prayer was never the issue with the Imams anyway.

Posted by: American_soldier at January 4, 2007 10:29 AM

cosmicAvenger, you've forgotten the great land downunder, 'Australia' has'nt anywhere near the trouble-makers (muslims) the U.S. and Europe has.
What Hugh suggests is perfect, take a bottle of liquor when catching a cab and dont forget to complain about being held up when left waiting for the next cab, the airport authority will certainly run out of patience...

Posted by: eloivsdiablo at January 4, 2007 10:38 AM

abdullahshirk and islamsforlosers and anyone else who is thinking of skedaddling from Minnesota. Rethink leaving. Posters on this website are often schornful of Europeans who want to immigrate to the US because they don't like the current trend in Europe but are too cowardly/lazy to fight a cultural and political battle against Islam. You can do more for the fight against the spread of Islam by STAYING THERE and fighting the good fight than cutting and running. WHat will you when Islam moves into your new neighborhood? Maybe you just plan on having your grandchildren deal with it...

Posted by: former liberal WF at January 4, 2007 11:31 AM

As a relative newcomer to these forums, and a resident of UK, I am astonished, indeed overwhelmed, by the amount of Islamo-surrender that is current in the United States. Are all states equally contaminated, and if not, how have the least infected managed to defend themselves from the musslime invasion? Of course, we Europeans have known for years that our countries are being destroyed by uncontrolled immigration fostered by the lunatic European Union and the multi-cultural propaganda fostered on to the populace by the left-(il)liberalism of the anti-christian, anti-family, pro-lechery politicians. The new immigrants get the right to vote (how?) and then vote for the self-same politicians, who then proceed to make further immigration easier. What hope have we got .. we speak out and get done for incitement to racial hatred, or whatever. Free speech has gone, our national history is forgotten or corrupted. What hope have we got?
And now we find that the USA is collapsing under thr same weight of musslime excess. The prognosis for 2007/08 is not good .. what an understatement!

Posted by: meekee at January 4, 2007 12:12 PM

The prognosis for 2007/08 is not good .. what an understatement!

Posted by: meekee at January 4, 2007 12:12 PM

You have covered the main points. Corrupt and selfish politicians are selling west to Islam. Here in US, Bush was already corrupt with wahhabi wealth even before coming to office. After getting elected. Now not only is he pandering to Islam, but opening the borders to whoever wants to invade. Am thinking... is there anything left for Bush to destroy? The only solution is to make politicians, their party and their family pay for trechery and treason. So, no.. prognosis for 2007 is as bleak.

Posted by: Alert at January 4, 2007 1:13 PM

So much to comment on.
As for the Somali welfare hand-outs, that's an old story. Back in the 70's and 80's, welfare-rights groups used to charter busses to bring "poor folk" from nearby less-generous states to openhanded Minn where they could double their income or more. The busses went directly to the Minneapolis welfare office, so they could sign up for their rights without delay. It's the same principle today, they just come in planes from farther away.
As for a common prayer room, that is out of the question. A common room may be very well for all the various breeds of infidel dogs, but Believers have certain requirements: washing areas, a niche showing the direction of Mecca, a muzzahin (whatever) to call out the hours of prayer, plenty of space to kowtow (reminds me of that Negro spiritual "Sprawling in Need of Prayer"), separate areas for men and women (question, do moslem women pray bottoms-up like their menfolk, or do they assume a different position?), and much, much more.
So, no common prayer room. I'll stick to the suggestion I made in JW a week or more ago, that instead, the airlines provide prayer areas on the planes, by tearing out a few rows of seats.
Also, just what are they praying for? I think that most passengers praying before boarding a flight are praying for a safe flight. And what's the biggest threat to a safe flight? Why, islamic terrorists of course! So I guess that they're praying they'll be the only moslems on the flight.

Posted by: ebonystone at January 4, 2007 1:28 PM

Alert - "....is there anything left for Bush to destroy?" President Bush is still in the process of destroying the Army National Guard, U.S. Army Reserve and the U.S.M.C. Reserve by multiple deployments. Once these are gone, they will be very difficult to replace. Busy hands can always find something to break.

Posted by: MP at January 4, 2007 1:41 PM

meekee - Currently the U.S. muslim population is relatively small, perhaps 1-3%, depending on who is doing the guessing. Areas with muslims tend to have lots of 'em - birds of a feather flocking together. Other areas have virtually none. The reputation somalian muslims have is one of extreme truculence exacerbated by an ability and willingness to exploit the welfare safety net. The original muslim influx was much higher-end: medical doctors, civil engineers, business professional, etc. Many current imigrants, somalians and palestinians are stone-agers in comparison. The U.S. also has "black muslims" a sect composed of native American blacks who have adopted a form of islam that is more or less legit in the eyes of other followers of the prophet. We are being overrun by immigrants in general - not just muslims. Mexicans and CEntral Americans have crossed unimpeded into the U.S. and threaten to drive out the native species. Asian immigration is also growing at a great rate. The civic religion is multiculturalism, and tahe elites try to cow anyone who speaks out with charaages of xenophobia and racism.

Posted by: MP at January 4, 2007 1:52 PM

ambassador-designate to somalia apparently got the same background check the rest of these
parasites received,i.e.,none!

..."He told reporters he studied American Ethnic Studies at the UW and graduated in 2003, when in fact he never earned a degree, according to the registrar's office."
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/298352_ambassador04.html

Posted by: Madduck at January 4, 2007 2:53 PM

Maybe it would be best for US travelers to boycott all travel to Minnesota altogether. If the Minneapolis-St. Paul Airport goes with this, I would suggest American citizens (NOT Muslims) write the governor of MInneapolis and explain whjy making concessions to Muslims is ALWAYS dangerous and self-defeating. And that you will avoid the state for safety reasons.

At least, until we can bring the evil ones under control or get them out of this nation where they don't belong anyway.

Posted by: pythagoras at January 4, 2007 3:48 PM

MP: 'the original Muslim influx was much higher end..'

Is this Islamic expansion random or is there some huge devious plot to infiltrate western christian societies? If the first waves of musslime were 'higher end' and later the crazed thickos follow, is this a planned scenario? A sort of softening up process?
In what ways may ordinary citizens in Europe and the United States act to disrupt the islamofascists and move to regain contol of our free societies?
In these forums we are preaching to ourselves. Every day there is a list of events presented to us which in a strangely subversive way only serve to erode still further our trust that things will get better, than someone somewhere will show us some evidence that the tide is turning and that western societies are steeling themselves to fight back.
The prognosis for 2007/2008 is not good .. 'bleak' as you say; but that for 2009 onwards is merely terrifying!

Posted by: meekee at January 4, 2007 4:13 PM

meekee- Many of the initial muslims were professionals who received sponsorship and support from their places of employment such as hospitals, engineering firms, universities, etc. Often they arrived as students and never returned to their point of origin. For the most part, they struck me as moderate verging on secular. This impression was obviously false, as they were interested enough in their faith to make concerted efforts to maintain it and pass it along to their children, via schools and mosques. In my area, the Saudi Govt. provided $ to assist. The somali wave was sponsored in many instances by "do-gooder" Christian Churches looking for a trendy cause. Many of these w@nkers are blame the West-first types. They have gone out of their way to burden an already strained social services safety net with these foreign parasites. (Stand by and I'll tell you how I really feel!)
You make the point that in these pages we are "preaching to ourselves". While this is very true, the site has provided me with: 1.) Lots of news and intellectual ammunition (much of it not easily obtainable elsewhere) to use in discussion and arguement. 2.) An opportunity to speak with anti-jihadists from all over the world 3.) Inspiration to continue to energetically resist at every opportunity 4.) An occasional laugh 5.) Access to experts in the anti-jihadi struggle. Well worth the time spent if you ask me.

Posted by: MP at January 4, 2007 5:19 PM

Muslims are not supposed to live outside the countries that make up the House of Islam (Dar al-Islam) and any that do so are told that they have a duty to be point men for Islam in the Infidel lands, which Muslims delightfully label and, more importantly, view, as the House of War (Dar al-Harb), where they are to proselytize (Da'wa) and otherwise advance the cause of Islam.

Muslims who settle in the House of War are told explicitly by their leaders that they should live together in close proximity to each other, so that they can maximize their political and economic power, more effectively control the territory they inhabit (read” colonize” and for an advanced example of how this works, see articles about the 750 or so “no-go” Muslim areas in France that French police will not enter) and can, using the political, legal and propaganda mechanisms of Infidel societies, exert maximum pressure against Infidels for accommodations to Muslim demands and Shari'a law.

The Somalis in Minnesota are a case in point as are, I’m sure, the many thousands of Hezbullah supporting Lebanese Muslims from the villiage of Bint Jbail and vicinity that cluster in Dearborn, Michigan and who are going to be so ably represented, I’m sure, by Representative John Conyers, newly installed Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee.

Posted by: GaryK at January 4, 2007 6:21 PM

MP: post above
'..news and intellectual ammunition to use in .. argument'.
You are one lucky fellow. Myself, no-one will argue with me. I am dismissed as a grumpy, bigoted racist too full of islamo-bashing opinions to be accorded any dignified response. Soon I will either be cowed into a resigned silence or hauled up before the courts for incitement to racial hatred. I am informed by my friends/acquaintances that it is impossible for someone with my views to be a practising Christian, since God ordered us to love our neighbours as ourselves. In our communal church prayers we ask to be joined in peace with all other faiths/religions/humanists/you-name-them. We pray for the well-being of refugees and asylum seekers when we KNOW that the majority in UK are scamming the tax and benefit systems and are responsible for the rising crime rates .. gun crime, people trafficking, prostitution, drugs, money laundering .. all inflated by our new settlers. If you are able to entertain discussions with fellow Americans along such lines, be very very grateful, even if none respond to your views. Here in UK it is the loony bin. Where will it end? I see little hope for the near to distant future.

Posted by: meekee at January 4, 2007 8:35 PM

Prognosis might be bleak

. . . but it is us who will defeat ourselves . . .

. . . with pessimism

by giving up before we are defeated

not summoning up the blood and fighting back.

Never mind that we are made to feel impotent by those who govern us

who are aften in the pay and service of the enemy

or too befuddled to know which end is up

we cannot (yet) use what we would like to use

to survive

but we DO have a weapon that we CAN use

ideas-to-words-to-action (not yet, my friends [at least not the action we want])

Smatterings from your Comment posts:

meekee:

"I am astonished, indeed overwhelmed, by the amount of Islamo-surrender that is current in the United States."

..news and intellectual ammunition to use in .. argument'.

MP writes:
You [meekee] make the point that in these pages we are "preaching to ourselves". While this is very true, the site has provided me with: 1.) Lots of news and intellectual ammunition (much of it not easily obtainable elsewhere) to use in discussion and arguement. . . . . 3.) Inspiration to continue to energetically resist at every opportunity . . . .

I say,

There is a weapon available to us--every single one of us. It is a secret, but even if revealed, it is only for us to use. The enemy cannot use it the way we can and must. Learn the secret at . . .

"Propaganda Secrets of the rich and Famous"

right now

at

http://islamic-danger.blogspot.com

Posted by: unicorns62000 at January 4, 2007 10:36 PM

"Where you have Christians and Muslims praying at the same time, it will create a problem,"

Too right..........imagine God hearing prayers from Christians with interference coming from those worshipping Beelzebub !

Posted by: Voyager at January 5, 2007 3:18 AM

meekee - I grew up as a Christian, but now I must confess that I am a very poor one. Several years back I stopped attending the Episcopal Church where I had been baptised because I no longer could agree with the majority of its social and theological doctrines, and no longer felt myself a part of it. Both the Episcopal Church and I seem to have survived this parting of the ways, and I for one am happier spending my Sundays kayaking. I refute any charge of racism by pointing out that islam is a religion, not a race. As such my jihadist enemies have chosen to embrace it much as one chooses to be a nazi, or a communist or a Methodist. They have also chosen to declare war on me, and I reserve the right to defend myself using any and all weapons at my disposal. I'm a natural optimist with a thick skin, and firmly believe that over time truth will vanquish a lie EVERY time. Stand by your guns, and don't let the b@stards get you down.

Posted by: MP at January 5, 2007 3:51 PM