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In the Jerusalem Post, Michael Freund reads the demographic writing on the wall for Europe:
If you ever wanted to see Paris or Rome before you die, but haven't had a chance to do so, you might want to hurry. Soon enough, most of what we now think of as Western Europe will be transformed into a branch of the Muslim world, which is sure to make it an even less welcoming place for Americans, Israelis and for Jews.That, at least, is the unpleasant, yet entirely unavoidable conclusion to be drawn from Europe's headlong demographic drive toward oblivion.
Think I'm exaggerating? Consider a few cold hard facts.
According to a recent report by the Rand Corporation, "Across Europe, birth rates are falling and family sizes are shrinking. The total fertility rate is now less than two children per woman in every member nation in the European Union."
Needless to say, demographers consider a birthrate of 2.1 children per family to be the replacement level at which a society's population size remains stable. Barring large-scale immigration, anything less means decline and dissolution.
A research study published last year in the International Journal of Andrology found a similar trend, concluding that, "Fertility rates have fallen and are now below replacement level in all European Union (EU) Member States. In the 20-year period since 1982," it noted, "most EU Member State countries have had total fertility rates continuously below replacement level."
At the bottom of the list are Spain, Italy and Greece, where birthrates hover around just 1.3 per couple, leading some forecasters to suggest, for example, that Italy's population could shrink by one-third by the middle of the century.
Others, such as Germany's 1.37, the UK's 1.74 and Sweden's 1.75, aren't all much better.
The figures are so bad that in many European countries, the total number of deaths each year has actually begun to exceed the number of births.
Indeed, the Council of Europe's 2004 Demographic Yearbook warned that, "for Europe as a whole, more people died in 2003 than were born." In 1990, said the yearbook, "three countries - Germany, Bulgaria and Hungary - had negative natural growth for the first time. By 2002, it was negative in fifteen countries."
LAST YEAR, after the publication of statistics revealing that 30 percent of German women have not had children, Germany's family minister, Ursula von der Leyen, caused a stir when she said that if her nation's birth rate did not turn around, the country would have to "turn out the light." And while Europeans may be busy everywhere but in the bedroom, the Muslim populations in their midst are proving far more expansive.
Read it all.
Posted by Robert at January 11, 2007 4:18 PM
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More then the quantity it is the "quality" of contemporary Europeans that shoul be a cause for worry. A great deal of them still subscribe to multiculturalist fantasies.
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at January 11, 2007 4:36 PM
Some of the commenters at JP found the article to be the most racist thing they'd ever read. Which is pretty funny when you consider Muslims writing about the same set of facts can't get noticed in the mainstream media no matter how many threats they include. Talk about racism: they can't get any respect when they promise to kill our children.
Posted by: Beagle at January 11, 2007 4:40 PM
Where does this twaddle come from ? , only yesterday the morning news had a report on young
unmarried mums in the U.K...it more or less said
the young were breeding like rabbits.
Why not wait for the next census in when ? 2010 !
Even then take that with a pinch of salt.
at January 11, 2007 4:48 PM
@ aladdinsane57
Either way aladdinsane57, it doen't bode well for the West if the only two sources of its future population needs are going to be filled by the sporgs of underage, unmarried, poorly educated mums and brain-washed, kafur hating, jihadis running riot in the streets, now does it?
No, I thought not!
at January 11, 2007 4:59 PM
For my entire adult life (I'm 55) I've heard nothing but dire threats about what will occur due to over-population. Now, apparently because the birth rate has dropped, we fear underpopulation. Just because a particular national population is shrinking does not mean that unrestricted immigration should be allowed. Much of this is driven by the ponzi scheme social welfare programs that require the contributions (taxes) of an ever-increasing population to keep the welfare state afloat. In the U.S. Social Security is in the same boat. If the Germans French and Italians think that Turkish, Somalian, Algerian etc. immigrants will continue to make those payments once they achieve demographic critical mass, I have a bridge to Brooklyn for sale.
Posted by: MP at January 11, 2007 5:14 PM
So what happens when Muslims in France and Britain vote themselves a legislative majority? A Muslim prime minister with his finger on a nuclear trigger is scary to contemplate, especially since you can't stop them from using the nukes since they don't care if they die. To be sure, long before then Muslim spies will have leaked their nuclear (and other military) secrets to every Muslim country.
Posted by: aynrandgirl at January 11, 2007 5:41 PM
This is truly shicking news! A shocker!
Yet, you must also, take into account that the islamics men breed their women like animals, like cows.
There is really no bonding, no love, nothing like the Western relations.
The breeding products - and that is that the children are - nothing more, it's cold, hard facts - the children are not taking care of in a loving manner. They're brought up in a hard, twisted method.
The warmth and the compassion is never allowed to blossom.
How can we in the West start to have the amount of children these breeders have?
They can't even take care of the children they have, the right way. There's no nurturing.
The people in the West only bring forward 1 or two children - in order to give them the quality attention that we HAVE REALIZED is only right for the children - as we have come to the realization that the children have a right to. It's not a matter of spoiling them -
but the knowledge that in order to care and educate children in adequately, .......
whatever, we just can't start having litters again.
Posted by: allat at January 11, 2007 5:45 PM
Looks like this guy read Mark Steyn's book.
Posted by: radishthegreat at January 11, 2007 5:48 PM
Any tribe can squabble over what or who is going to dominate the world.
WRONG !
What is going to dominate is global warming , rising seas , more deserts , extreme weather
famine , disease and over population...then there
is dwindling resources.
Good old mother Earth is going to have her cull
and guess what...she doesn`t give a flying one
what "religion" you are !
at January 11, 2007 6:16 PM
"Looks like this guy read Mark Steyn's book."
radishthegreat .. it would appear so. Word to the wise, aladdinsane57 .. give it a go: Mark Steyn's "America Alone".
Posted by: Daisytoo at January 11, 2007 6:19 PM
Europeans are killing off their future through abortion and birth control. The women look for short term solutions without thinking of the long term consequences of their actions. Ye reap what ye sow.
Posted by: callmeinfidel at January 11, 2007 6:40 PM
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/11012007/344/hammer-attack-boy-school.html
Eight men have been arrested following an apparent hammer attack on a 15-year-old boy at his school.
The incident at the Ridgeway School in Wroughton, near Swindon, left pupils and parents "stunned and shocked", said headmaster Steve Colledge.
Mr Colledge told how a gang of at least four men came across the tennis courts and attacked the boy.
He said he could not understand why anyone would use such "extreme violence" against one of his pupils
The victim was described as being in a "comfortable" condition after receiving treatment in hospital for head injuries.
Wiltshire Police refused to give any details about what had happened and said they had not been told his condition.
The boy was set upon at the end of the school day by a gang of Asian men who local sources said were the family of another pupil at the comprehensive school. He was said to have been held down and hit with a hammer.
Mr Colledge said he was on patrol in the school grounds when the victim, who is white and in year 11, was attacked.
at January 11, 2007 6:41 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/story/0,,-6339030,00.html
Posted by: EnglishBlondie at January 11, 2007 6:44 PM
"...which is sure to make [Europe]an even less welcoming place for Americans, Israelis and for Jews"
Let's just concentrate on this clause: "an EVEN LESS welcoming place for ..." Funny, Americans at least (I can't speak for Israelis and Jews)seem to come in their droves to Europe (or at least my part of it, London), seem to enjoy themselves mightily mhile they are here, and obviously wish they had the same sort of thing back home. So let's just put this whole down as the usual anti-European rant, shall we?
Posted by: JFGR at January 11, 2007 6:48 PM
Off topic:
Iranian news agency reports UFO has crashed in Kerman province
Posted by: ummahnewslinks at January 11, 2007 7:36 PM
You can dance around Islam, you can dance around the root causes of poverty, but you can’t dance around the hard laws of economics and credit ratings. And that’s probably what will save Europe.
‘Westerners’ produce value in the neighborhood of $40k per capita. Elaborate and generous social safety nets have been voted into place by democratic processes based on this productivity.
It has been reported that large percentages of Muslim immigrants in Europe do not work at all. The West does not ration social or medical benefits. There is a critical percentage (20%?) at which the social safety net will go under.
The backlash from those who have paid half of their life-earnings into the system will be vicious. In any case, I find this clip comforting:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GvHhWcZrE0o
at January 11, 2007 7:58 PM
He's right you know. Europa is already lost.
Posted by: EliasAlucard at January 11, 2007 7:59 PM
What does anyone expect would happen in Europistan, since WW2 that whole place has been one big welfare state, got to stop!!!
Posted by: OLD SARGE at January 11, 2007 8:33 PM
EnglishBlondie,
"He said he could not understand why anyone would use such "extreme violence" against one of his pupils.."
Really? Is there a way to provide him with a link to JW/DW ? What an awful thing to have happened to that boy.
JFGR,
" So let's just put this whole down as the usual anti-European rant, shall we?"
I'm afraid that wouldn't be productive. The demographics are not ranting; indeed, they are quite sober. And the response to the demographics, by and large is one of dismay as far as I can tell .. especially dismayed are Americans of European heritage.
Now, if only the English and the Europeans would pay attention and respond appropriately. You are the ones who have to come up with the babies .. the USA cannot do that one for you (although I do have a very handsome friend who is considering offering himself as a 'sire for hire' in Italy. ). Again, do yourself a favor and read Mark Steyn's book, "America Alone".
Posted by: Daisytoo at January 11, 2007 8:50 PM
Maybe we can clone our way out of this mess!!!
Posted by: OLD SARGE at January 11, 2007 9:08 PM
Off topic:
Iranian news agency reports UFO has crashed in Kerman province
Ummah News Links
Wah!!!! Al Mahdi has returned!
Imadinnerjacket must be thrilled!
Posted by: jhl952 at January 11, 2007 9:22 PM
Commencing in 2007, Germany's 'solution' to this 'problem' was to increase the subsidy for mothers having babies to $2500 per month from the prior niggardly sum of $500 or so per month per baby.
This might have some modicum of success, but I'm very dubious that such measures won't simply make the over breeding Muslim population explode -- that is -- explode even more than they're already disposed to do.
It's strange to compare the American system with that of our supposedly 'fellow' Westerners in Europe: There's no such direct baby subsidy for Americans to procreate -- yet we're doing a good job of keeping our birthrate roughly at par. Eventually, if the Europeans don't examine their ludicrous fantasy based policies, their ludicrous fantasy based economies, and their fanaticism towards socialism, they're going to flush everything they've inherited into the sewer of oblivion.
I find it rich that Europeans loath and fear America foremost, and accuse us of being their greatest existential threat. They often site us as the "Biggest threat to world peace and stability."
But how does this insane European paranoia comport with reality? Clearly the most likely candidates to consign them to oblivion are these, in no particular order:
1. Their pacifist defense stance,
2. Their socialist economics,
3. Their addiction to supra-national sovereignty robbing institutions such as the U.N., the World Court, and the EU...
4. Their attempts at Marxist social engineering, and
5. Their insane immigration policies which have permitted 30,000,000 seditious Muslims into their midst.
A mere 3 decades ago Muslims numbered only in the hundreds of thousands on European soil, and posed no real existential threat.
The criminality of the European enterprise is outdone by the tragedy of it -- and the tragedy of it is only outdone by the extravagant STUPIDITY of the thing. There are days when I think that Europe deserves everything that's coming to her and more.
But then I wonder: What are the implications to us in America when Europe collapses again in their latest catastrophic blunders?
It's clear that European policies are among the most destabilizing forces afoot in the world today, that they have done more to encourage the infiltration of radical Islam into the West, even than the Saudis have done, and that their European economic and social policies pose a grave existential threat to America. But who in the world is even discussing this provocative formulation?
at January 11, 2007 9:24 PM
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Posted by: jsla at January 11, 2007 9:25 PM
The problem is not that Europeans are underbreeding and risking their own future - that is a wilfully, almost criminally, stupid analysis and a skillful, and extreme right-wing, propaganda lurks behind such a statement: it is a thinly veiled attack upon the way that Europeans have DEMOCRATICALLY decided to live their lives and run their countries.
Sure enough, this attack brought out the nut-jobs who want the European countries to abandon their hard won social welfare systems - systems which the taxpayers who pay for them have democratically - at every election in every European country - confirmed and approved of time and time again and indicated their willingness, as taxpayers, to continue to fund such systems.
Lowering population levels is not a luxury, it is an imperative in the face of the environmental catastrophe which is gradually overtaking us. The problem lies not with the sensible Western men and women who are opting to have fewer children than the replacement level, but lies with the illiterate, under-educated moslem horde which we have let into our countries. But can Freund see that? No!
These moslems, cursed by their superstitions and their ridiculous beliefs, are incapable of seeing or understanding the problems which confront the whole of humanity. As a result they continue to breed way above replacement level. They continue to breed as if the planet contains infinite resources. They justify this behaviour by reference to their totalitarian religious ideology beyond which, as everyone here knows, they simply cannot see.
But no, no! Instead of placing the blame fairly and squarely where it belongs - on the rampantly stupid and mind-bogglingly selfish behaviour of the moslem horde and upon our stupidity in letting them into our countries - Michael Freund tries, as usual, to blame the responsible Western men and women of Europe for behaving responsibly.
(Behind many such blame apportioning exercises like this one by Freund there frequently lies some implicit criticism of the sexual prowess of the 'other' male and a belief in the failure of the 'other' female to be femine enough, by the writer. Many people like Michael Freund believe that women should be kept 'barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen' and that men should father children almost willy-nilly in order to assert their supposedly superior masculine attainments.)
What cheek, what hubris, what an unwarranted and crass insult, but worse, much worse, what a compleat failure of his ratiocinative processes. This man wouldn't know logic if it came up to him and slapped him across the face with a wet kipper.
Freund is a fool with a hidden agenda. This is his hamartia.
Dominic.
Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at January 11, 2007 9:44 PM
We've had this discussion before and it is worth repeating again. And again.
March 23, 2006
the Netherlands if the current birth rates continue within one generation the four major cities will be majority muslim and i also read that in Belgium 55% of children under 16 are muslim.
The Europeans have dug there own graves
Posted by: stevenz at March 23, 2006 03:10 PM
The fight for freedom of the western civilizations is underway with Islam and the western civilizations are losing becasue they do not understand it is a war.
Wake up Europe and smell the buring bodies before it is to late.
The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost.
Posted by: Texican at March 23, 2006 06:02 PM
I think some people on this site really sell europe short sometimes
Its all "europe is doomed" and "they've dug thier own graves"
Please! Be serious. I have some Muslim friends, and even though i dont agree with thier religion, there not an all conquering army. Far from it.
Islam is all about a front. Its weak and insecure, and Muslims know this in the back of thier mind. Thats why they dont win wars. Thats why if you break em mentally, it crumbles
War requires a certain mind set. I honestly dont think Muslims have it in them to win a war. What war have they won when they've come across the Europeans?
None. Israel, with 5 million odd people, continue to slap back any middle eastern country that gets agressive.
I believe the same thing would happen again. But i hope it doesnt happen. The losses would be big on both sides.
Posted by: chu - doc at March 23, 2006 07:01 PM
I believe the muslims in Europe more than have the stuff to win a fight because so many of the Europeans have no stomach for taking casulties which the muslims are more than prepared to do and the muslims have a positive birth rate where so many of the europeans have a negative birth rate and if that continue you are going to see the muslims with a lot more younger people than the europeans.
When muslims get into western parliments in force and start attempting to put through legislation based on islam then maybe people will wake up.
Posted by: stevenz at March 23, 2006 07:17 PM
I think this is worth reposting~
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,18159605%255E7583,00.html
MY interest in demography dates back to September 11, 2001, when a demographic group I hadn't hitherto given much thought managed to get my attention. I don't mean the, ah, unfortunate business with the planes and buildings and so forth, but the open cheering of the attacks by their co-religionists in Montreal, Yorkshire, Copenhagen and elsewhere. How many people knew there were fast-growing and culturally confident Muslim populations in Scandinavia?
Demography doesn't explain everything but it accounts for a good 90 per cent. The "who" is the best indicator of the what-where-when-and-why. Go on, pick a subject. Will Japan's economy return to the heady days of the 1980s when US businesses cowered in terror? Answer: No. Japan is exactly the same as it was in its heyday except for one fact: it stopped breeding and its population aged. Will China be the hyperpower of the 21st century? Answer: No. Its population will get old before it gets rich.
Check back with me in a century and we'll see who's right on that one. But here's one we know the answer to: Why is this newspaper published in the language of a tiny island on the other side of the earth? Why does Australia have an English Queen, English common law, English institutions? Because England was the first nation to conquer infant mortality.
By 1820 medical progress had so transformed British life that half the population was under the age of 15. Britain had the manpower to take, hold, settle and administer huge chunks of real estate around the planet. Had, say, China or Russia been first to overcome childhood mortality, the modern world would be very different.
What country today has half of its population under the age of 15? Italy has 14 per cent, the UK 18 per cent, Australia 20 per cent - and Saudi Arabia has 39 per cent, Pakistan 40 per cent and Yemen 47 per cent. Little Yemen, like little Britain 200 years ago, will send its surplus youth around the world - one way or another.
So, whether or not her remarks were "outrageous" (the Democrats' Lyn Allison), "insensitive" (the Greens' Rachel Siewert), "offensively discriminatory" (Sydney's Daily Telegraph) and "bigoted" (this newspaper), I salute Danna Vale. You don't have to agree with her argument that Australia's aborting itself out of recognition and that therefore Islam will inherit by default to think it's worth asking a couple of questions:
* Is abortion in society's interest?
* Can a society become more Muslim in its demographic character without also becoming more Muslim in its political and civil character?
The first one's easy: One can understand that 17-year-old Glenys working the late shift at Burger King and knocked up by some bloke who scrammed 10 minutes after conception may believe it's in her interest to exercise "a woman's right to choose", but the state has absolutely no interest in encouraging women in general to exercise that choice.
Quite the opposite: given that today's wee bairns are tomorrow's funders of otherwise unsustainable social programs, all responsible governments should be seriously natalist. The reason Europe, Russia and Japan are doomed boils down to a big lack of babies. Abortion isn't solely responsible for that but it's certainly part of the problem.
In attempting to refute Vale's argument, this newspaper praised the nation's maidenhood for lying back and thinking of Australia and getting the national fertility rate up from 1.73 births per woman in 2001 to 1.77, "well above rates in developed nations such as Italy, Spain, Japan, Germany and South Korea".
Well, pop the champagne corks! That's like saying Mark Latham's political prospects are better than Harold Holt's. The countries cited are going out of business. Seventeen European nations are now at what demographers call "lowest-low" fertility - 1.3 births per woman, the point at which you're so far down the death spiral you can't pull out.
In theory, those countries will find their population halving every 40 years or so. In practice, it will be quicker than that, as the savvier youngsters figure there's no point sticking around a country that's turned into one big undertaker's waiting room: not every pimply burger flipper is going to want to work himself into the ground to pay for new shuffleboard courts at the old folks' home.
In 2005, some 137 million babies were born around the globe. That 137 million is the maximum number of 20-year-olds who'll be around in 2025. There are no more, no other sources; that's it, barring the introduction of mass accelerated cloning (which is by no means an impossibility). Who that 137 million are will determine the character of our world.
The shape's already becoming clear. Take those Danish cartoons. Every internet blogger wants to take a stand on principle alongside plucky little Denmark. But there's only five million of them. Whereas there are 20 million Muslims in Europe - officially. That's the equivalent of the Danes plus the Irish plus the Belgians plus the Estonians.
You do the mathematics. If you want the reality of Europe in a nutshell, walk into a supermarket belonging to the French chain Carrefour. You'll be greeted by a notice in Arabic: "Dear Clients, We express solidarity with the Islamic and Egyptian community. Carrefour doesn't carry Danish products." It's strictly business: they have three Danish customers and a gazillion Muslim ones. Retail sales-wise, they know which way their bread's buttered and it isn't with Lurpak.
That's Vale's second point. If a society chooses to outsource its breeding, who your suppliers are is not unimportant. "I've heard those very silly remarks made about immigrants to this country since I was a child," says Allison.
"If it wasn't the Greeks, it was the Italians or it was the Vietnamese."
Those are races or nationalities. But Islam is a religion, and an explicitly political one - unlike the birthplace of your grandfather it's not something you leave behind in the old country. Indeed, for its adherents in the West, it becomes their principal expression - a Pan-Islamic identity that transcends borders.
Instead of a melting pot, there's conversion: A Scot can marry a Greek or a Botswanan, but when a Scot marries a Yemeni it's because the former has become a Muslim. In defiance of normal immigration patterns, the host country winds up assimilating with Islam: French municipal swimming baths introduce non-mixed bathing sessions; a Canadian Government report recommends the legalisation of polygamy; Seville removes King Ferdinand III as patron of the annual fiesta because he played too, um, prominent a role in taking back Spain from the Moors.
When the fastest-breeding demographic group on the planet is also the one most resistant to the pieties of the social-democratic state that's a profound challenge. Yes, yes, I know Islam is very varied, and Riyadh has a vibrant gay scene, and the Khartoum Feminist Publishing Collective now has so many members they've rented lavish new offices above the clitorectomy clinic. I don't claim to have all the answers, except when I'm being interviewed live on TV. But that's better than claiming, as most of Vale's disparagers do, that there aren't even any questions.
Where she goes wrong is in consigning the Lucky Country to the same trash can of history as Old Europe. For Australia, this is not hail and farewell - or, as the Romans put it, ave atque (Danna) vale. Japan is unicultural: a native population ageing and dying. Europe is bicultural: a fading elderly population yielding to a young surging Islam.
But Australia, like the US, is genuinely multicultural, at least in the sense that its immigration is not from a single overwhelming source. The remorseless transformation of Eutopia into Eurabia is already prompting the Dutch to abandon their country in record numbers, for Canada and New Zealand.
In the years ahead, North America and Australia will have the pick of European talent and a chance to learn the lessons of its self-extinction, as they apply to abortion and much else.
In the '70s and '80, Muslims had children - those self-detonating Islamists in London and Gaza and Bali are a literal baby boom - while westerners took all those silly books about overpopulation seriously. A people that won't multiply can't go forth or go anywhere. Those who do will shape the world we live in.
Mark Steyn, a columnist with the Telegraph Group, is a regular contributor to The Australian's Opinion page.
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I thought the above article was right on target.
Too often I have heard the experts discuss the need to only have a "replacement" family of two children and many have listened.
Replacement is actually four children, not two. Because many children do not grow up and reproduce due to death caused by illness and accidents (or war), do not marry or marry someone whose family is complete, can not marry (due to mental illness or genetics like C.P. or Downs or autism), don't stay married long enough to reproduce, or can not reproduce for various reasons (illness, accidents, homosexuality and sterility). The rest must have four children to make up the difference or population shrinks. Growth requires even more.
Many people have had only one child thinking they are doing good for the world.
And the calls for population control are everywhere. Except the islamic areas of the world. While half the islamic world lives entirely on benefits provided by the west. The western family must have two incomes to get by and their money gets sent overseas, and now also locally, to provide for huge immigrant families.
Even if abortion was not legal, most non-muslim people would not be having large families. Even wealthy people have only two children. They have been brainwashed (in school) into thinking reproducing is bad for the world. Stop the brainwashing. And it's hard to have large families if both must work. Outsourcing jobs is not helping.
I like Mr. Steyns remark about countries needing to be "natalist". Family and community support would go a long way, too. Large families are treated with disdain instead of compliments. When a pregnancy is announced instead of hearty congrats comments are more like -you know what causes that don't you, or, got caught, huh? Or can you afford that? Or aren't you too young to have kids, or, more baggage? Or, why do you want to be tied down with a big family? Unless you live in a Mormon area. And marketers always show the perfect family as two kids. Anything more than that is used to show an out of control situation. Brainwashing all around.
The west needs to STOP helping THEM and start helping itself. Would you bring a baby lion into your home and feed it? Long term consequences matter. The Christian religion paints a rosy picture of the lion laying down with the lamb. In the real world that is suicide for the lamb.
~
In addition comparing today to WWI or II falls short in some ways. Though technology may make a difference, hopefully. The enemy was not placed around the world in strategic postitions. And the populations were equally young. There was no religious fervor ( except Japan, the reason for their fierceness), just nationalism. There also was no internet and cell phones usable to set up instant riots. The enemy could not see instantly the results of bluffing and real attacks. The enemy also didn't have "friends" everywhere standing up for them against their own country.
Posted by: Borg at March 23, 2006 07:57 PM
That article was exactly right Borg and i can,t understand western leaders who think that we can have a large muslim population but retain western values.
at January 11, 2007 10:24 PM
All I ever heard growing up was that there were too many people and two was the correct number of children. Those people are still saying that while the economists are saying we need more people.
Somebody needs to decide which it is. If we don't need more people stop importing them! If we do stop telling high school kids to only have two because of over population.
Posted by: Borg at January 11, 2007 10:27 PM
Replacement is actually fourchildren - not two.
See my above post.
Posted by: Borg at January 11, 2007 10:28 PM
Sorry that partially repeated post was from here.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/010715.php
Posted by: Borg at January 11, 2007 10:31 PM
necessitasnonhabetlegem,
You claim that, "This man wouldn't know logic if it came up to him and slapped him across the face with a wet kipper."
Well, I can't promise that I'd recognize logic under those circumstances either. What I did understand - perfectly, btw - was what to do to make babies .. and (although this may amaze you) no one had to pay me to make them either.
If you must, you can call my capability "American know how" or even "volunteerism" (although, truth be told, that's not the usual terminology). And I assure you - there's nothing much stupid or smart - and most especially - nothing political about it. Democratic? In my case, yes. But I'm simply not going to get too personal.
Seems, necessitasnonhabetlegem, that the population explosion fear-mongers were not exactly correct, after all. Next.
Posted by: Daisytoo at January 11, 2007 10:33 PM
If Europe does indeed sink into the cesspool that is the ummah I hope a lot of its people end up here in the US to make sure the same disaster doesn't befall us. And I hope that before they leave they leave absolutely nothing of value behind for the barbarians-let them inherit the ashes of a scorched earth policy, for they deserve nothing less.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at January 11, 2007 10:52 PM
Borg/
Calculating replacement fertility is not easy or simple. For England and Wales go to:
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/downloads/theme_population/PT119v2.pdf
then go to the seventh bookmark in the right hand list where there is a wealth of information.
Dominic.
Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at January 11, 2007 10:53 PM
And .. necessitasnonhabetlegem .. when the wrinkled old native Europeans attempt to impose the welfare tax on their brawny young Mohattmaden welfare recipient brethren ... good luck getting them to cough up the necessary big dough to keep the doddering infidels up to their customary (and childless) lifestyle - never-mind pay for their increased medical needs.
Then again, perhaps that's a false problem - since there will most likely not be any money left to cough up. Reality is a good thing, necessitasnonhabetlegem, and we simply must deal with it realistically. Look at the numbers, necessitasnonhabetlegem, they are dispassionate and eternally consistant.
Posted by: Daisytoo at January 11, 2007 10:53 PM
Daisytoo/
Sure, but whether or not you have had children and how many you choose, or have chosen, to have is your decision. To engage in some sort of breeding race with the moslem horde simply because some newshound can't work out the simple fact that we are not to blame if we choose to lower our population is just silly.
Our stupidity isn't in trying to limit our population growth and match it to our resources but instead is, as everyone here knows, letting the barbarian moslem horde, who either cannot or will not understand the population and resources argument, into our countries in the first place.
Their presence, on this front as on so many others, is the problem - not how many children a civilised woman such as you chooses to have.
Freund blames us. We are not at fault. As usual the uncivilised moslem in our midst is and this Freund willfully and stupidly fails to see. He cops out of blaming the people who are really at fault - the barbarian moslem - and blames us. If we are to blame at all then we are only to blame for letting in the wretched uncivilised moslems in the first place. We are certainly not to blame for choosing, quite sensibly, to bring our population more into line with our available resources.
And please remember one more thing - the UK is now reckoned to be the most crowded country on earth, with more people per acre than any other country. This is ruining our quality of life, ruining our environment, ruining our farming practises, placing an untenable burden on our infrastructure and threatening the very stability of our society in many ways. This cannot go on.
Dominic.
Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at January 11, 2007 11:09 PM
Hi Daisytoo - the headmaster's 'amazement' is a little false in my opinion since the violence agianst the indigenous pupils at the school has been happening for years, getting steadily worse as the number of Asians has grown.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/story/0,,-6339030,00.html
at January 11, 2007 11:12 PM
By-the-way, for the most popular name for a baby boy in England and Wales in 2006 see:
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/specials/babiesnames_boys.asp
This site is the UK's Office of National Statistics and the facts are collected from the Registrars who record the births and issue a birth certificate. Reporting a birth to your local Registrar is compulsory in the UK and if you don't then your child simply does not exist officially and he or she could never get an education, medical services, passport, bank account, etc.
These figures are accurate.
For actual births and deaths in the UK now, with projections for the future, see:
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/CCI/nugget.asp?ID=761&Pos=3&ColRank=2&Rank=896
Dominic.
Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at January 11, 2007 11:33 PM
Dominic:
Your argument on population reduction is positively Malthusian. It was wrong in Malthus' day 200 years ago and it is still wrong today. Why was it wrong? Scientific and other advances made by those "excess" children increased global food supply/improved the human condition by more than enough to prevent the mass starvation that he (and Paul Erlich in the '60s, and the Club of Rome crowd in the '70s) predicted.
Are there environmental problems in today's world? Sure. Is there global warming going on? No argument from me, residing the U.S. northeast (I got in a nice bike ride last weekend). Should we work on solving or mitigating these problems? Of course. But we have to have confidence that the next generation will also play its part. That won't happen if they either don't exist, or if we fail to provide them with the necessary training and values. Expecting this from foreigners who share none of our values is wishful thinking, to say the least.
I'm pro-choice, but I've always had a lot of trouble with the ZPG mindset that attaches a low value to having and raising kids. Children are assets, not liabilities. But like any other productive asset, they require investment on our part.
Posted by: materialguy at January 11, 2007 11:54 PM
Is Europe falling like a castle made of playing cards? If immigration is necessary, why not stimulate immigration from Latin America? They have European ancestry and would assimilate into Europe accepting its values, not confronting them.
Posted by: calatrava at January 11, 2007 11:57 PM
In 1950 almost 12% of the worlds population lived in the present EU states. In 2050, according to Eurostat, it will be just 4%.
Expect more Muslim immigrants to replace Europe's declining native population. Muslims don't see children as liabilities and have large families.
Read it all here:
http://web.inter.nl.net/users/Paul.Treanor/nohumans.html
at January 12, 2007 1:10 AM
A major part of this downward population trend is due to the fact that native born European women have been postponing childbirth for increasing lengths of time.
This is a new phenomenon throughout Europe and it could bring about devastating consequences.
Posted by: Johnathan at January 12, 2007 1:16 AM
In Germany we have more than 80 million inhabitants. We (I'm a german) have one of the biggest population densities in the world.
The problem is not that the native european population is dying out. The problem is the rapid growth of muslim population The problem is that islamic world misuses demography as a weapon.
What shall we do? Initiate a stupid birth competition with muslims.
Why do we have to host the overpopulation of islamic countries. People who destroy our culture. We must bring muslim immigration to a halt, that's our task!
at January 12, 2007 3:32 AM
Is Europe falling like a castle made of playing cards? If immigration is necessary, why not stimulate immigration from Latin America? They have European ancestry and would assimilate into Europe accepting its values, not confronting them.
Posted by: calatrava
I mentioned this before , whats wrong with
immigrants from Argentina , Chile , Peru and
Brazil etc ?
at January 12, 2007 3:34 AM
If you look there are hundreds of letters like this one sent to The Sun on forums all over the
net.>>>>>
SO £10million is sent out of this country per day by immigrants.
One man I work with has half his rent paid and is given £250 per month in child benefits and an additional £400 per month family tax credit.
He sends £400 per month home to Pakistan. This money should go to pensioners in Britain.
VIVIEN BOWDEN
High Wycombe, Bucks
Oh this is great , keep it up Professor Aziz
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=428279&in_page_id=1770
at January 12, 2007 3:48 AM
Assalamau Laikum Stillfedup,
This looks like grim reading does it not...It says
"At the bottom of the list are Spain, Italy and Greece, where birthrates hover around just 1.3 per couple....
And while Europeans may be busy everywhere but in the bedroom, the Muslim populations in their midst are proving far more expansive.
How many children did you say you had...11, with 40 odd grandchildern was it not....and just who are they going to marry then...if not muslims.
Stillfedup....One woman's valiant humping in Italy is not going to save it. Your grandchildrens will wear the burka and sport long beards ....there won't be a choice in the matter....you are lucky for a kaffur...living in good kaffur times ....a bit like 50 years before the byzantine empire fell.
Sorry I don't mean to be rude or run salt into festering wounds or wind up up your wierd hate filled mind....I just want you to consider the facts as they are:
1) France and Holland will become Islamic within 30 years. Britain and other smaller European countries will follow.
2) To it's credit Germany and Italy will be one of the last ones to go ....but go they will.
3) Kaffurs will start to join hands trying to like cities within cities...well that's human nature....but even these areas of wealth will require integration...the muslim governments of european countries will demand it.
4) Ultimately you will see minerates at the Vatican. Few christians will remain, the red carpet will change to green.... a stage hosting the Koran will be built...where muslims will come and offer chadoors and great muslim imams will give speeches from there.
5) Muslims peers will be buried in Europe....who knows given time one of them may even be Al-Sadr.
Stillfedup ...normally it is the technically superior peoples who dominate and colonise....but not where your lord is Allah...and he is isn't he....well at least for your grandaughters...your valiant humping efforts like christianity will have been long forgotten.
...Ah well...such is a life within Islam.
Posted by: Naseem at January 12, 2007 5:00 AM
Naseem writes in the whispering goading tone of how we imagine the devil speaks. I think it just does it for fun, probably school kids somewhere.
Posted by: payingattention at January 12, 2007 5:31 AM
Daisytoo,
My point was not about the demographics, which are indeed troubling (though less so in the UK than in many other European countries), but with the premisses -- that Europe is ALREADY an unwelcoming place for e.g. Americans. That tells you where the author is coming from. And to read the usual compacent foamings-at-the-mouth from, presumably, Americans, you'd think CAIR, the Democrats and all the other examples of creeping islamization in the US just didn't exist. If Europeans on this site -- who are presumably just as anti-jihadi as the rest -- wrote in similar anti-American fashion, we'd never hear the end of it.
Posted by: JFGR at January 12, 2007 6:59 AM
"Assalamau Laikum Stillfedup,
This looks like grim reading does it not...It says"
demented cow, have we already established that i have 12 children perfectly healthy and muslim-loathing and you have just one retarded child? that will produce another retarded child? that will produce another retarded child?
how kool is for retarded paki women to be too ugly to breed because men prefer goats?
Posted by: StillFedUp at January 12, 2007 7:02 AM
"How many children did you say you had...11, with 40 odd grandchildern was it not....and just who are they going to marry then...if not muslims.
Stillfedup....One woman's valiant humping in Italy is not going to save it. Your grandchildrens will wear the burka and sport long beards ....there won't be a choice in the matter....you are lucky for a kaffur...living in good kaffur times ....a bit like 50 years before the byzantine empire fell. "
hey cow, hear this funny story. Very recently in italy a woman that had a child with a muslim has been brutally murdered. her and her muslim child.
See? we know how to get rid of the problems like yourself.
Posted by: StillFedUp at January 12, 2007 7:04 AM
"Sorry I don't mean to be rude or run salt into festering wounds or wind up up your wierd hate filled mind...."
cow at least i have a brain, you as a muslim woman don't have any of that. you think you have a half because your pedoprophet told you so, when in fact your half is retarded because pakistan has this effect especially on tilt women like yourself...what can you do?
it was nice that your fellow pakis in the uk gave you a fake degree for cheap sex but reality is that your only half brain is retarded... sorry, well not sorry really, you get what you deserve.
"Stillfedup ...normally it is the technically superior peoples who dominate and colonise...."
exactly cow, look your demented ottoman army where it ended.
oh i forgot, demented half brained muslims like yourself have a very selective memory.
have a nice day cow, may a hoodood law touch you soon
Posted by: StillFedUp at January 12, 2007 7:09 AM
Assalamau Laikum Stillfedup,
Your pathetic defence to facts and the reality of the situation is focused to personal attacks on me. I feel that you would murder me if you met me....but I'm quite a nice person really.
Your twisted lies of me buying a degree from a British Uni for cheap sex is just that ...a bunch of lies.
Your claim of me having half a brain or that it's retarded is also a bunch of lies.
The really cool thing about all this is that deep down you know this ....and thus all that is left for you to do is react via personal attacks...so childish.
Islamisation of Europe including Italy is not fantasy though ...and you know it, others know it too...this article tells you too...and they are peoples from the West...intellegent peoples who respect facts and figures, but not you eh!...you pity me ...perhaps ...but I pity your grandchildrens ....all of them....for Alhumdulilla...Allah will be their Lord.
Posted by: Naseem at January 12, 2007 7:24 AM
HEY , EUROPE.......GOODBYE!
Posted by: exsgtbrown at January 12, 2007 7:32 AM
I am afraid you are right, Naseem. If my granchildren become Muslim I will pity them the same way as I pity today any Muslim in general, specially those under Shariah law.
I did not know you are a woman. It is your choice to be part of a group that considers women as inferior than men. I am sorry for you too.
Posted by: calatrava at January 12, 2007 8:14 AM
Okay Naseem, here is what we could do to prevent the things you outlined above:
1) halt all further Muslim immigration into Europe.
2) for any Muslim convicted of a felony -- deportation.
3) eliminate welfare for all able-bodied Muslims (less humping time -- fewer Muslim yoots)
4) stop all coddling of Muslims, i.e. no special treatment of any kind -- force them to live according to the culture and laws of Europe. That means banning the veil etc. If they don't like that then they can leave.
5) deportation for seditious speech against the European host country whose graces they live under.
6) offer special incentives for European women to have children with European men, not Muslim men.
I'm sure others can think of a few more.
at January 12, 2007 8:34 AM
Assalamau Laikum Jenny,
Indeed you raise some valid kaffur-centric points. I'm sure the indeginious populations of Africa and India were thinking along similar lines when they were colonised by the British.
I think though that the biggest obstacle to many of your proposals would be the opposition form decent working folk in the Amerike and the UK.
They would not allow such discrimination while others who understand the law will take the government to law courts and sue them for millions.
I'm afraid to tell you...but Eurabia is inevitable.
Posted by: Naseem at January 12, 2007 8:51 AM
"I think though that the biggest obstacle to many of your proposals would be the opposition form decent working folk in the Amerike and the UK."
Decent working folk in America and the UK want to become Islamized? huh?
"They would not allow such discrimination while others who understand the law will take the government to law courts and sue them for millions."
Now on that one, you may have me. Hence Islamization proceeds apace... at least until a few more 9/11 style mass murders bring the governing authorities to their senses.
at January 12, 2007 9:07 AM
An update on the 15 year old white non Muslim school boy who was attacked with a hammer by adult Asains who came into the school: the parents of many of the white children have now pulled thier children out of school saying it is not safe for their children because of the 'racism by the Asians' and the lack of protection by the school. The parents have confronted the headmaster today:
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1247148,00.html
Boy, 15, Hit With Hammer
Updated: 15:34, Friday January 12, 2007
Parents have confronted the headmaster of a school, which they claim is rife with racism, after a pupil was attacked with a hammer.
The 15-year-old was set upon by a gang of at least four men in the grounds of the Wiltshire school.
Eight men have been arrested and are being questioned by police following the assault on Thursday.
The teenager, who has not been named, was taken to hospital where his condition was described as stable.
The pupil, who suffered head injuries, is believed to have been assaulted by a gang of Asian men at the Ridgeway School in Wroughton, near Swindon.
Headmaster Steve Colledge has been confronted by a group of around 20 parents demanded action.
Headmaster meets parents
One woman told him her son had been attacked by Asians and claimed racism was rife in the comprehensive.
She said: "This was a racist attack. The school has a racism problem. Is it going to take one of our children to die before they do something?"
Another parent said: "I'm not having my son coming to school. He was attacked last year and nothing was done about it."
Police have been questioning staff and pupils about the assault. Up to 100 pupils are thought to have witnessed the attack.
Mr Colledge told reporters that the incident could have happened as a result of an argument between a white and an Asian pupil.
He said it is predominantly a white school, with Asian pupils making up less than 5%, and counselling would be offered for children who witnessed the incident.
at January 12, 2007 11:33 AM
Jenny,
Unfortunately your idea of forcing muslims to work to cut down on humping time won't make much of an impact.......remember there is no pleasure in the humping, just an animalist 2 minute response to seeing an ankle or, god forbid, hair. No love, joy, foreplay, caring, or having the woman experience any pleasure (even if her clitoris is intact), she's just a sperm bank.
at January 12, 2007 11:38 AM
http://www.thisiswiltshire.co.uk/display.var.1118812.0.arrests_made_following_hammer_attack.php
A mother of pupils in Year 7 and 11 saw the incident unfold.
She said: "It was terrible, they just marched on to the courts and attacked him.
"My elder daughter was extremely upset and it seems that the teachers are not doing enough to prevent these incidents."
The attack has left many parents afraid to let their children go to school.
A concerned dad, who did not want to be named, said he doubted his children would be going to school today after what had happened.
He said: "Both of my kids saw what happened. They are both traumatised by it. We are shell-shocked. This was a particularly nasty attack.
"This is the third major incident that's happened in six months."
…
"Something needs to be done," she said.
"The last time we were told it was being dealt with and now we are back in the same situation.
"Hopefully this new head will take a different stance."
In May, six teenagers from Ridgeway were taken to hospital after a group of men jumped out of two cars and attacked students, leaving one with a broken jaw.
Police patrolled outside the school in Inverary Road for a week in an effort to soothe the worries of parents and pupils.
at January 12, 2007 11:39 AM
Europe is not going to go down to Islam forever. Maybe some nations will... but the Polish will never submit. They saved Europe back at the Gates of Vienna, if I'm not mistaken.
France may balkanize, the Netherlands will be consumed... Denmark? no... Sweden... maybe for a time. But western, christian civilization will not be destroyed in Europe. It will be redeemed with huge expenses of blood and treasure. People, being what they are, will ensure that it will all come at a horrendous cost.
at January 12, 2007 11:41 AM
http://www.thisiswiltshire.co.uk/display.var.1120720.0.parents_stage_protest_after_hammer_attack.php
SHOCKED parents have staged a sit-in at the Ridgeway School in a bid to get their fears of bullying and racist gangs heard following a hammer attack on a student.
The group of about 20 parents crammed the school's reception area today refusing to leave until they were heard by school headteacher Steve Colledge.
They have called for security guards to be employed at the Wroughton school, where a boy, believed to be Henry Webster, was set upon with a hammer yesterday afternoon.
The 15-year-old boy is currently in a stable condition after being transferred from Great Western Hospital in Swindon to Bristol's Frenchay Hospital.
The parents, who asked not to be named for fear of retribution against their children, said they would not be sending their youngsters to Ridgeway until they were convinced it was safe.
They said a group calling themselves the "Asian Invasion" had been behind a campaign of bullying at the school.
at January 12, 2007 11:47 AM
We need to quit saving Muslim countries with aid and food. Let them support their own populations with the agriculture their lands can sustain. If you cant feed four wives and 30 kids, then don't have them. Aid should be conditionl on birth control. That may seem inhumane, but I have served two combat tours. One in Afganistan, and one in Iraq. I have also been in a few other Muslim countries. The large families are one of the biggest factors in poor quality of life that I can see. Its not just Europe either. Muslims have higher birthrates in Africa, Southeast Asia, and Soutn Asia. These areas are also stuck between a rock and hard place. Do they let Muslims out breed and take over or do they breed the same and use all the resourses up? Islam can't be beat militairily, and muslims seem to immune from intellectual attacks on Islam. We need oil so we can't cut ourselves of from them.
at January 12, 2007 11:56 AM
At a time when the world is becoming overpopulated the last thing we need is a group of people breeding like rats.
I agree that we must cut off aid to muslim countries. They are all muslim brothers so should help each other.
We must also stop immigration from muslim countries. And most importantly we must abolish the right of citizenship to people born here by foreign parents. We are all being laughed at by a bunch of murdering child molesters and our governments do nothing.
In the UK we are being flooded with EU "workers", surely it makes sense to ban ALL immigration from non-eu countries and deport non-europeans, even if they are born here.
We need to follow the muslim example and rid our country of anyone who does not believe in our ways. I really can't see that any muslim whether born here or not would have a problem with living in a truly islamic country. Surely they would jump at the chance to leave.
Oh i forgot, islamic countries are always shit holes.
Posted by: DaveMate at January 12, 2007 12:42 PM
American_soldier - Many thanks for your service. They can't drink the oil. islamic nations have to sell it to someone, or they will be right back where they were about 1890 - inconsequential fly-blown, primitive @rseholes of the world. Oil is a fungible product, and they need customers as much as we need oil. We have had sufficient time since the oil embargo of the early seventies, and the Iranian government's seizure of our embassy to be much further along with "plan B" than we are.
at January 12, 2007 12:45 PM
RE: David Ray Hate Crimes Prevention Act, HR 254
People - FYI - "Let's walk the Talk" or if you don't use it - you lose it.
This Bill is a terrible danger to us -
you know sites like this one will be forced to close - and all other sites critical to the slime in D.C.
RE: David Ray Hate Crimes Prevention Act, HR 254
Emergency Alert - Federal 'Anti-Hate' Bill
Introduced In House
http://www.rense.com/general75/eer.htm
Contacting the Congress
http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/
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at January 12, 2007 1:15 PM
Greece was conquered by Islam once before and it shall not happen again.
One of our saints Saint Constantine Paleologus died defending us from the savages, today Greeks honor his sacrifice by once again refusing to bow before Islam.
Posted by: NicephorusPhocas at January 12, 2007 1:30 PM
I'm tired of hearing this. The idea that we should engage in a population race with the muslim world is absurd. If they want to ruin their lives by trying to bring up seven kids, thats up to them. People like Mark Steyn assume that we in the west can't be bothered to have children. But maybe, just maybe it has more to do with taking seriously the implications of bringing a vulnerable life into a dangerous world, if the desire to do so is absent. Something which is obviously lacking with the muslim baby machines. Having a kid because Mark Steyn or Michael Freund say you should isn't a very good reason. Maybe they are pissed off about being parents themselves and want the rest of us to be in the same boat.
Posted by: joe.ghost at January 12, 2007 1:32 PM
You know, it's easy to say, "we'll never submit" - but one can never know what wil happen, or how one will react or what one will do when the moment comes.
One can only be flexible and open minded.
THIS is when the words of Yesua ben Josesh come in, to give casue and impetus and hope for another life - elsewhere :
"In my Father's House, there are many Mansion.
"House" in the ancient meaning of adoption, taking in to the Family and Guardianship.
I'm not pushing the belief, but this is the only way can can keep up the struggle and the resistance, to avoid fear of "death." To know that there are "Other Places - other Mansions someplace Else.
The Aramaic word for death was "Some Place Else."
If we don't keep this in mind, we will bow and submit.
What then is life worth, if we lose our Souls? If we lose all hope of happiness on Earth?
The joys of deep love and bonding with one's mate?
The compassion. The love for one's pet (I was cap sitting for a delicate lady. She was my house guest - a lovely person with blue eyes and dark stockings (she objected to my touching her booties - and what a furry rump!- ya ought to have seen...). Now's she's back with her human..and I miss her.
The laughter. And the singing while one is doing housework? And the dancing?
The bright colors worn, and those of Nature in summer?
Without these, life is not worth anything.
Keep up the GOOD FIGHT, my friends, if I may call you that.
Love and kisses to Roberto and Hugh
Posted by: allat at January 12, 2007 2:06 PM
You know, it's easy to say, "we'll never submit" - but one can never know what wil happen, or how one will react or what one will do when the moment comes.
One can only be flexible and open minded.
THIS is when the words of Yesua ben Josesh come in, to give casue and impetus and hope for another life - elsewhere :
"In my Father's House, there are many Mansion.
"House" in the ancient meaning of adoption, taking in to the Family and Guardianship.
I'm not pushing the belief, but this is the only way can can keep up the struggle and the resistance, to avoid fear of "death." To know that there are "Other Places - other Mansions someplace Else.
The Aramaic word for death was "Some Place Else."
If we don't keep this in mind, we will bow and submit.
What then is life worth, if we lose our Souls? If we lose all hope of happiness on Earth?
The joys of deep love and bonding with one's mate?
The compassion. The love for one's pet (I was cat sitting for a delicate lady. She was my house guest - a lovely person with blue eyes and dark stockings (she objected to my touching her booties - and what a furry rump!- ya ought to have seen...). Now's she's back with her human..and I miss her.
The laughter. And the singing while one is doing housework? And the dancing?
The bright colors worn, and those of Nature in summer?
Without these, life is not worth anything.
Keep up the GOOD FIGHT, my friends, if I may call you that.
The islamics will NEVER defeat us, because if we Fall in this World, we will live someplace else. When the islamics think they win, we will be freed. We will be free. As were those little girls beheaded. The MOslem/BOrgs think they will win, but they never will.
Love and kisses to Roberto and Hugh
Posted by: allat at January 12, 2007 2:14 PM
Civilized people experiencing prosperity tend to have lower birth rates. It's an (obviously) serious problem for a people not to reproduce in numbers that sustain their own populations.
People experiencing poverty tend to have higher birth (and death) rates, It's an (obviously) serious problem for people to reproduce in numbers that overwhelm available resources.
The EU, such as it is, is not sustaining native populations. Compounding the problem is the EU's superstitious reliance on Secularism and Socialism. The practice of Christianity is scoffed at and Capitalism scorned as an American affliction. Consequently, the work ethic has eroded to the point of no-return and Europeans (including the British) have become way too dependent on state welfare. Where is the money going to come from, if economic growth is unsustainable? European employment rates ought to be considered a disgrace .. instead, there seems to be a weird pride in performing less than enough work.
Enter the opportunistic Muslims .. playing on the collective guilt of the "Colonizers" like a harp. Europe is not getting the results of a "brain drain" from Islam (there is no such thing anyway) - no, Europe is receiving inept welfare seekers with open arms! These welfare seekers have a mission - and that's to restore the supposed Caliphate. They will do it demographically by reproduction and immigration.
Listen to Naseem. She doesn't care if Europe is turned into a dust bowl or toilet .. as long as it's a Muslim toilet overflowing for Allah. Naseem has a purposeful agenda - and it's most certainly not concerned with lowering carbon emissions and quality of life issues.
Those Europeans who consider global warming a core social issue had better look around .. those who give less than a damn are demographically gaining on you .. and doing so very quickly. Prioritize your issues and choose wisely. The planet is much more resilient than you believe. And Europe is not as resilient as you think. Buck up. Michael Freund is your friend.
Europeans, caught for some time in the grip of a collective sanctimony, now resemble nothing so much as a middle-aged wife bemoaning her fate as her husband leaves the bone dry marriage .. "But I did everything RIGHT .. everything I was SUPPOSED to do .." Sure, it's sad, but you forgot to take care of yourselves - you guiltily and condescendingly let too many greedy people into your lives and permitted their abuse - decadently amused by their 'colorful customs'. And it seems, you forgot to have children. At the end of the day, you'll find the secular state cold and callus; the nanny state will become fully depleted and incapable .. sort of like a Mary Poppins on morphine. The Muslims will be unpleasantly surprised when the money stops, but will be fully equipped to revert to poverty for Allah.
Family, religion, work and country, on the other hand, require daily devotion (and unfashionable as it may seem to perpetually childless pseudo adolescents - sacrifice ) .. and at the end of the day, sustain .. however imperfectly, they do sustain. The USA has problems .. but I would not trade them in for the problems much of Europe is experiencing. I hope Europe saves itself .. not only for decent (or nostalgic ) reasons, but, also selfishly. We need you. Hope you all get to work - and fast.
Posted by: Daisytoo at January 12, 2007 2:44 PM
at January 12, 2007 2:54 PM
"Those Europeans who consider global warming a core social issue had better look around .. those who give less than a damn are demographically gaining on you .. and doing so very quickly. Prioritize your issues and choose wisely. The planet is much more resilient than you believe. And Europe is not as resilient as you think. Buck up. Michael Freund is your friend. "
Than "walk the talk" - I love that phrase.
Madam, whether you're wed or not, start having a child every 2 yrs or every yr.for the next 20 yrs. I believe women are still able into their 50s. ANd in setting this example, any daus. you hv, push them to have many children also.
I for one - will refuse to be a breeding machine. God help them!
Posted by: allat at January 12, 2007 4:01 PM
someone mentioned oil!
interesting things are happening in the alternative energy field
http://www.steorn.net/frontpage/default.aspx?p=1
also google Randy Mills Blacklightpower
Posted by: hierophant at January 12, 2007 5:00 PM
Naseem, I'm puzzled.
You say "but I pity your grandchildrens ....all of them....for Alhumdulilla...Allah will be their Lord."
You're a happy Muslim, aren't you.? Devoted to Allah?
So if, a few generations hence, Europe is a a part of the Eurabian project, with a successfully converted population, why would you pity these redeemed peoples?
After all, wouldn't they be happy Muslims, just as you are now?
M
Posted by: maleus at January 12, 2007 5:03 PM
WE WHISTLE WHILE WE SHIRK!
The prolonging of adolescence is the hallmark of an advanced society.
Feeing moody?
We have a new drug for "season-affective" disorder.
Loosing interest in sex?
Viagra, etc.
Have trouble concentrating?
We have a drug for "adult-attention deficit disorder."
Have an inconvenient pregnancy?
Abortion. Quick, clean and cheap.
Feeling tired.
We have something to pep you up?
H-ungry
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Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at January 12, 2007 5:46 PM
allat,
"Madam, whether you're wed or not, start having a child every 2 yrs or every yr.for the next 20 yrs. I believe women are still able into their 50s. ANd in setting this example, any daus. you hv, push them to have many children also."
No need for hysteria, allat. Here's how it works: Simply get married and have 2.5 children. Set that as a societal norm and you'll have sustainable reproduction. That's all you normally need .. sustainable. There is no need to pay people for getting pregnant (a thoroughly ridiculous idea!) as if they were infants themselves. In a free society, you can give people reliable information, and they can choose. The US has freely chosen to have infants rather than be infants. Next, respect the society you live in enough to impose decent standards. Do not allow people who have no intention whatsoever of adopting your norms into your country. Period. I don't need to do anything extreme. I've done my bit (walked my walk, as you might say). I'm better off and so is the USA.
For Europe, it's too late .. other measures will need to be taken. Good luck.
at January 12, 2007 5:52 PM
Check out this website. A muslim woman has compiled a list of "alarming" statements. Hugh and Mr. Spencer are quoted several times, although she does not provide links or references to back up her "quotes." You might have to copy and paste the link. I am working on a rebuttal, a list of "alarming" statements made by muslims. I think my list will be much longer than hers.
ttp://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/islamophobia_alarming_statements_3_2006_to_2007a/0012637
at January 13, 2007 12:05 AM
BEAT THE MUSLIMS AT THEIR OWN GAME AND ENJOY IT!!!
MORE SEX
AND AVOID THIS
http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/2007/01/disturbing-images-europe.html
Posted by: shiva at January 13, 2007 1:54 AM
Simply get married and have 2.5 children. Set that as a societal norm and you'll have sustainable reproduction.
No, 2.5 is not replacement unless EVERYONE has children, which they don't. These same experts who come up with this number are the same ones telling us that immigration adds to the finances of our country. WRONG again.
READ this:::
Replacement is actually four children, not two. Because many children do not grow up and reproduce due to death caused by illness and accidents (or war), do not marry or marry someone whose family is complete, can not marry (due to mental illness or genetics like C.P. or Downs or autism), don't stay married long enough to reproduce, or can not reproduce for various reasons (illness, accidents, homosexuality and sterility). The rest must have four children to make up the difference or population shrinks. Growth would require even more.
We need to quit saving Muslim countries with aid and food. Let them support their own populations with the agriculture their lands can sustain. If you cant feed four wives and 30 kids, then don't have them. Aid should be conditionl on birth control.
I agree American Soldier.
Unfortunately those same people who aren't having children are donating the money they save to muslim countries. And our taxes go there with no such conditions, - like being responsible. I would like to OPT OUT of the save the world program using my taxes.
Posted by: Borg
at January 14, 2007 11:11 PM
So basically it's the end of the world? All the worst bits of the bible?
Some of you people sound almost as 'end-of-timer' as Dinnerjacket.
Posted by: Alex at January 16, 2007 12:24 PM
"The idea that we should engage in a population race with the muslim world is absurd."
....IT CERTAINLY is. however, a Depopulation event certainly is possible and in much less time. Muslims are gearing themselves up for a significant emotional event.......
Posted by: exsgtbrown at January 16, 2007 1:32 PM
"So basically it's the end of the world?"
No Alex. Just the end of sustainable population growth for native Europeans - that, along with the rapid population explosion of Muslims in Europe cannot continue to be ignored.
"All the worst bits of the bible?"
No, again. However, the shift from Christianity (and its values) to Secular Socialism (and its values) has provided a vast contribution to the demise of Europe. Islam is perfectly poised for a takeover. It's a matter of demographics, finally.
This is all worth looking at in a non-hysterical manner, don't you think?
Posted by: Daisytoo at January 17, 2007 10:24 AM
Borg, everyone does not have to have children (they never have had to either) 2.5 works for the USA. The proof is apparent in the US .. maybe the numbers need to be different elsewhere .. and they would certainly need to be different in the EU, considering the jam the EU is in .. There are solutions to the lack of pop. growth for native Europeans .. read Mark Steyn's book, America Alone.
Posted by: Daisytoo at January 17, 2007 10:31 AM
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