"What race are Muslims again"?

By their reckoning, the master race.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at January 19, 2007 8:21 AM

"The program's repeated association of acts of terrorism with Islam will only serve to increase anti-Muslim prejudice in our society."

......The Muslims repeated acts of terrorism worldwide do not need a tv show to depict them....Non Muslim peoples of the world are learning fast and by picking up body parts left strewn about because of Muslims, the people now know the root of this carnage...It is called Islam....
....And Islam spreads its word and deeds daily....

...The people are learning and are beginning to react....

Islam will cause the death of Islam.....No tv show needed...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at January 19, 2007 8:25 AM

"The program's repeated association of acts of terrorism with Islam will only serve to increase anti-Muslim prejudice in our society."

Ya think?

Couldn't be anything to do with the actual fact of just who is involved in these daily acts of terror; that would be in the real world, as opposed to the fantasy world inhabited by the mind of Islam.

Posted by: Just Another Richard at January 19, 2007 8:49 AM

CAIR should be forced to demonstrate any and all attacks on Muslims in the U.S. since the airing of this Monday's segment of "24".

Otherwise, they should just shut their cake holes.

I endured all of last year's segments, which had nothing to do with Islam at all.

Now, the true enemy we are fighting in real life, is back on "24".....Islamic fanatics. This is but a television show, and CAIR has no call trying to dictate what the American public watches on the idiot box.

Posted by: DCWatson at January 19, 2007 9:28 AM

Interesting how CAIR sprang into action to condemn the television show 24 while refusing to condemn the real life terrorists in Hamas and Hezbollah.

I also hope no "innocent" American Muslim is harmed because of a television show. However if "innocent" Muslims are harmed perhaps Muslims will then have empathy for other "innocents" who have been maimed and killed by Muslims terrorists all over the world.

Posted by: Roxane at January 19, 2007 9:30 AM

Silly Muslims, Tv shoes don't kill people, jihadists kill people. Perhaps they should strive to improve Islam's image by taking those jihadists who "misunderstand" everything to task rather than complain about how TV makes them appear evil.
But then again, Muslims are not known for putting things in their proper perspective.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at January 19, 2007 9:48 AM

Oops-that should be "TV shows".

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at January 19, 2007 9:49 AM

What race are Muslims again?

Easy, the inhuman race.

Posted by: ebonystone at January 19, 2007 10:42 AM

"Now remember ... the founders of CAIR have openly expressed their desire to see the U.S. under Islamic Law. You won't hear that from CBS or CNN."

"The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) said 24's season premiere, in which Islamic terrorists detonated a nuclear bomb near Los Angeles, risked stoking racial hatred."

.....and just who keeps boasting they will use nuculear weapons....THe Baptists,? The Methodists,? The Catholics,? The Simpsons,? The Irish,? ......OH ,,, It must be the Muslims.....BINGO.....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at January 19, 2007 11:03 AM

It's not just CAIR. CNN, MSNBC are all condeming it.
I never watched it before, but I really enjoyed it and hope they keep it up. After all it's only fiction. No one is really plotting to blow anything up in the USA are they?
I can only hope that law-enforcement are watching it. After all, if they had arrested the teenage son along with the father there would not have been a nuke going off.
I think they were really pissed off about how easily the Arab offical agreed that Assad would give up Jihad and that he was working with Jack.
They are probably afraid that other Muslims might get the idea to co-operate.
If muslims fought against jihad that would be a real disaster in the eyes of CAIR.
I especially liked the line where the teenage boy across the street justifies holding a gun on his friend and his parents with 'you can't even pronounce my name'.
My husband has a difficult to pronounce european first name but I don't think he has ever considered killing anyone over the stuff they come up with. And by the way some of those who murdered his name the worst were Pakistani businessmen.

Posted by: auntbea at January 19, 2007 11:08 AM

I still liked "Sleeper Cell" better.

Posted by: MP at January 19, 2007 11:30 AM

Why couldn't they get an Arab to play the teenage son instead of Kal Penn, an Indian?

Posted by: wrathofasma at January 19, 2007 11:41 AM

So, I went to CAIR's site and searched for Hamas. I found squat. Obviously 24 is a much more dangerous threat.

What's interesting is that LGF users complained about season 6 being too leftist and politically correct, which is pretty bizarre. Jack Bauer's methods are almost always illegal and brutal, and his "information extraction" techniques would make the ACLU have a collective heart attack. In season 6 a Muslim blows himself up on a bus, while similiar terrorist attacks occur all over the country. Later on, Muslim terrorists set off a nuke in Los Angeles, and a Muslim kid living in a nice middle class suburban neighborhood turns out to be a terrorist (how politically incorrect that he wasn't a poor, repressed victim from the ghetto!). Also, a Muslim shouts Allahu Ackbar before detonating his suicide vest in a subway, but fortunately Bauer kicks him out the door before the explosion.

Really, I just don't see what's so leftist and dhimmi about 24. There's one nice Muslim guy, and a former terrorist who decides to go mainstream and start negotiating with the West (this does not prevent him from interrogating someone by stabbing him through the kneecap with a knife and then killing him).

Posted by: Jesus Christ Supercop at January 19, 2007 11:54 AM

Jesus Christ Supercop,

"Really, I just don't see what's so leftist and dhimmi about 24. There's one nice Muslim guy, and a former terrorist who decides to go mainstream and start negotiating with the West (this does not prevent him from interrogating someone by stabbing him through the kneecap with a knife and then killing him)."

Wait until the season plays itself out before assuming it's not PC. At the beginning of the last time the show had a story arc about Muslim terrorists, I felt the same way as you do about this present season -- but as the story played itself out in the ensuing months, it became clear to me that the writers in many subtle (and no-so-subtle) ways completely undermined the implied premise of the first two or three shows of that previous story arc, and that implied premise is:

There is a terrible danger emanating out of the culture of which any and all Muslims partake, and even if we assume that the majority of Muslims are and will remain harmless, we cannot tell the difference between the harmless ones and the dangerous ones.

Give the show time -- they will find innumerable ways to subvert the implications of the opening salvo of Season 6. In fact, my suspicion is that the producers and writers of the show are being very cleverly manipulative of the American public: first, dangle -- in a uniquely brave, unflinching and provocative manner -- the premise that is the hottest topic on the news: Muslims are terrorists. This hooks the American viewer, who is otherwise becoming fed up with the standard fare of American television dramas and movies which shy away from the topic of Islamic terrorism or worse yet construct story lines that make non-Muslims the true culprits.

Then, after the viewers are hooked, the writers of 24 proceed to deconstruct the initial premise. I have evidence that they will likely do this: that previous story arc, where the threat of Muslims devolved ridiculously into the "true enemy" -- vaguely Euro Bond villains, shadowy non-Muslim Russian businessmen, assorted mercenary Americans, and most ludicrously of all, members of the American President's own Cabinet and even the President himself!

In fact, this clever manipulation, I believe, is what put 24 on the map in the first place and made it the hottest TV show.

The unique dramatic structure of 24 facilitates this kind of clever manipulation, because the subversion can take several months to unfold, rather than be crammed into one hour (TV shows) or 2-3 hours (a typical movie).

Posted by: remote_control at January 19, 2007 12:14 PM

Maybe, but people are already calling it PC etc. based on the first four episodes.

It's possible that they'll have a plot twist that will let the Muslims off the hook, but if they've already done that once then they won't necessarily do it again. Based on what I've seen so far, I'm inclined to believe that the Muslim will be the enemy from beginning to end, but we'll see.

Posted by: Jesus Christ Supercop at January 19, 2007 12:40 PM

"Then, after the viewers are hooked, the writers of 24 proceed to deconstruct the initial premise. I have evidence that they will likely do this: that previous story arc, where the threat of Muslims devolved ridiculously into the "true enemy" -- vaguely Euro Bond villains, shadowy non-Muslim Russian businessmen, assorted mercenary Americans, and most ludicrously of all, members of the American President's own Cabinet and even the President himself!"
Posted by: remote_control at January 19, 2007 12:14 PM

Remote,

While entirely possible, I hope not. Two seasons ago is a long time, when FOX caved in to pressure on this matter. A lot has changed since then.

Hopefully this is just another small but effective penetration through the "PC multiculturalist template" malaise you speak about quite often. I agree the template exists and is fully operational, but that it is irreversible, I am not yet sold on.

Fool us once, shame on FOX. Fool us twice, shame on us. If FOX tries the old bait and switch again, I predict an early demise to the "24" franchise.

Posted by: awake at January 19, 2007 12:48 PM

Another American TV show -- Navy NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service -- has in the past had the occasionally unusually politically incorrect scenes involving Muslim terrorists (e.g., one show had a SE Asian Muslim who for the first 50 minutes of the show seemed to be a pleasant, polite, moderate and harmless defector from a Muslim terrorist group, and at the end turned out to be the very opposite, suicidally blowing up a Navy destroyer).

However, the most recent episode (aired this week) disappointed me:

Plot: A female Naval officer who had returned from Iraq to a small town in the USA where she lived is mysteriously murdered. A recent immigrant to the USA, an Iraqi who lives in that same small town, is suspected by the local police and neighbors -- all depicted as prejudiced hayseeds. The plot takes a turn when the suspected Iraqi turns out to be going under a false name: his true name reveals him to be a former Republican Guard officer under Saddam. As the local police, along with the NCIS team, are standing in front of his empty house, they see the Iraqi driving up. The hayseed sheriff and deputy immediately start shooting at him as he drives up at normal slow speed for a small street (which is ludicrous enough). Their shooting only injures him, and he is put up at the hospital.

At the Iraqi's hospital bed, one of the NCIS team, a feisty Israeli female ex-Mossad agent, questions him (it will turn out that he had defected from the Republican Guard and given intelligence to the American army, and then sent to a small town in the USA for "witness protection"). They begin to form a kind of wary rapport: the bed-ridden Iraqi notes her name, Ziva David, and her accent, and concludes:

"Ah, you are Jewish...? Israeli...? You must be Mossad! So now I am as scared of you as you are of me." He says this last statement in a calm and wry manner, and Officer David smiles.

"How long will we be enemies...?" asks the poor Muslim lying in his hospital bed, implying with sad weariness that the enmity is equivalently mutual and beyond his culture's hatred.

"Not in our lifetime," Officer David answers, with a similar world-weary sadness.

Then the local yokel hayseed Sheriff's Deputy barges into the hospital room and begins to aggressively question and berate the Iraqi. The Deputy says, "One inch difference, and the bullet that hit your chest would have sent you to be with your 72 virgins."

Then the Deputy gets closer to the bed and says, "What kind of sick religion would tell you to martyr yourself for --"

But the Deputy is cut off immediately at that point when Officer David -- the American Israeli ex-Mossad agent for NCIS -- grabs his arm and puts it in a painful lock behind his back, causing him to wince in pain. And she says to him:

"When you insult another man's religion, you insult my religion and your own religion!"

Moral of the Story:

Can you imagine a drama in the early 1940s during WWII, with a scene where, after one American insults a Nazi's ideology, another American in authority and depicted as the good guy in the drama violently restrains the other American and reprimands him thusly -- ?

"When you insult another man's political philosophy, you insult my political philosophy and your own political philosophy!"

No, it's unimaginable.

We are still far, as a society, from deconstructing our PC Multiculturalist paradigm by which the vast majority of Muslims are aggressively and powerfully presumed moderate until proven extremist. This deconstruction must be done before we can deal adequately with the problem and danger of Islam.

Posted by: remote_control at January 19, 2007 12:51 PM

The program's repeated association of acts of terrorism with Islam will only serve to increase anti-Muslim prejudice in our society."

Oh no, not more islamophobia; it has already reached an epidemic level. Poor, pitiful, misunderstood, abused, persecuted, innocent muslims living in America are cowering in fear, afraid to venture from their homes. How will they make it to the mosques to hear the incendiary sermons that keep them energized and optimistic of establishing an Islamic government in the U.S.? This will lead to depression and mental anxiety, not to mention kuffar attacks against members of the master religion, the "best" of people. We simply cannot allow this; 24 must be silenced. Never mind that it is the most realistic program on telelvision and provides a chilling preview of our future if we don't address the islamic problem.

Neal Boortz was fabulous on this subject today. He is one of the few outspoken and honest talk radio hosts on the subject of muslims and islam and is not afraid to tell the truth. I can't believe CAIR, which he also lambastes regularly, has not sued him. Some idiot called in and made the statement that "only whites are racists", a common leftist opinion, to challenge Boortz's assertion that all terrorists are muslims. I guess this was supposed to be an intelligent analogy.

CAIR and other muslim supremacist organizations are whining and complaining about muslims being portrayed as terrorists, yet they NEVER condemn the muslims who encourage, abet, and commit daily terror attacks throughout the world every day. They attempt to portray Americans as irrational fanatics who take literally everything they see on television and then run out and seek revenge for fictional events portrayed in fictional television entertainment programs. How stupid and insulting!

The fact is that islam is associated with 99% of the terrorism that occurs today. The truth obviously hurts but it is nonetheless THE TRUTH, and all rational people are aware of it. What are we supposed to do, ignore it so we won't hurt any muslim feelings? Sorry muslims, but that's NEVER going to happen!

Posted by: Susanp at January 19, 2007 12:55 PM

"Based on what I've seen so far, I'm inclined to believe that the Muslim will be the enemy from beginning to end, but we'll see."

The particular Muslim or Muslims can remain the enemy from beginning to end, but other things can be displayed and written into the story line to make sure we the audience see the difference between

1) a tiny minority of extremists who have tried to hijack Islam

and

2) Islam itself and the vast majority of Muslims who are good and moderate and harmless.

Thus, the producers, writers and well-paid actors of 24 will have their cake and eat it too:

Cake: making lots of money and fame off a sly implication that Muslims are amorphously dangerous.

Eating it too: framing the Cake in a larger context of abiding dutifully by the PC Multiculturalist paradigm that leaves Islam and the vast majority of Muslims untouched by our fears and suspicions.

P.S.: (The complaints of CAIR do not indicate that a particular show (or event or policy) are politically INcorrect, since CAIR as we know are hyper-sensitive to even the slightest hint that something is not towing the line.)

Posted by: remote_control at January 19, 2007 12:58 PM

Sorry, CAIR--

It's too late. Or rather YOU'RE TOO LATE!!

Millions of us saw the show. We know it is an accurate portrayal of Islamic jihadists and how they operate in America. And we all thoroughly enjoyed seeing it exposed for the entire world to see (and revile)!

Even if FOX does censor the show from here on in, you have lost the battle to fool us.

WE SEE YOU!!! (for what you are).

So it's time you all went back to that blood-soaked rathole in the Middle East desert, Saudi Arabia. And stayed there this time.

Posted by: pythagoras at January 19, 2007 1:41 PM

They should never have reported 9/11 it was too real it could have offended the fact that Muslims were behind it all maybe they should not have broadcast the London bombing because after 9/11 people were becoming Islamo-aware and that the news would just make the public more aware of Islam so it might offend the minority groups. So the British news went to Muslims about their opinions and how they felt about the Bombing because they were so upset that Islam was used in a bad way - oh and then the people who were killed was a sorry thing.

Can they not take a bit of reality instead of covering up the fact that these things happen, we can not upset anything related with Muslims it's so offensive to their superior complex.

Do you CAIR?

Posted by: jesusisthelamb at January 19, 2007 1:47 PM

A CAIR blast from the past:::

"Wednesday, March 24, 2004
OH .. HE WAS JUST AN ISLAMIC RELIGIOUS LEADER

How do you feel about the killing of Ahmed Yassin?
It's about time
I don't know. I have mixed feelings about it.
It was excessive. He should have been captured instead.

You've heard of CAIR, haven't you? That's the Council on American-Islamic Relations. This is a group that spends most of its time trying its best to ignore Islamic terrorism while searching for any incidents of insensitivity shown toward Muslims by weary Americans.

CAIR has now made its feelings known on the death of Hamas terrorist Ahmed Yassin. CAIR, of course, condemns Israel for the killing of Yassin, and calls Yassin an "Islamic religious leader." Wait ... it gets more ridiculous than that. CAIR says that the international community has to "take concrete steps to help protect the Palestinian people against such wanton Israeli violence."

Thanks to James Taranto's Opinion Journal column, we can now take a look at the Covenant of the Hamas. This document was issued on August 18, 1988. It is the founding document of Hamas. CAIR calls Yassin an "Islamic religious leader?" Yeah .. the leader of Hamas.

Let's take a look at a few excerpts from the Covenant of the Hamas

Article 7: "The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him."

Article 13: "So-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement ... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by Jihad [holy war]."

Now just what was it that CAIR said in their statement on the death of Ahmed Yassin? Oh yeah ... "The international community must now take concrete steps to help protect the Palestinian people against such wanton Israeli violence." Read those bits from the founding document of Hamas ... and then spend a few of your precious moments thinking about how idiotic it is for CAIR to be imploring the international community to talk about "wanton Israeli violence." Didn't we read something about "fight Jews and kill them" and "there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him"? And the world needs to protect these goons from those bad, bad Israelis?

CAIR is a joke. When will the media start treating it as such?"

The above came from the Neal Boortz Radio show..

Posted by: exsgtbrown at January 19, 2007 3:23 PM

This thread should have had "caution - spoilers" now you told me whats happening on 24 which will only hit the TV here in Australia in about June.

But then again if Muslims are portrayed it might get banned from air.

Anyone know where i can download that too?

Posted by: payingattention at January 20, 2007 1:40 AM

Perhaps the producers of the show should announce that CAIR is simply taking the show "out of context".

Posted by: tblab at January 20, 2007 9:54 AM

so the islamofascists are at it again trying to tell Americans what to do well I have a message for you shut up if you want to tell people what to do go back to your own country yuo never built America or Britain but you want to destroy it well stop telling us what to do and think just like you do Christians in your backwater country ignore the Nazis at cair they would most likely put us all in ovens if they had the chance they are Anti Semitic and Anti American to the Core

Posted by: islamsucks at January 20, 2007 10:15 AM

Islamsforlosers; I think 24 is going to have a tv shoe bomber in one of it's scenes. That's probably what you were thinking. Anyway cry me a river for cair(less) and all who take offence.

Posted by: mustang65 at January 20, 2007 3:08 PM