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Incredible. "Police chief calls on communities," by Nasreen Suleaman for BBC News, with thanks to the Constantinopolitan Irredentist:
The police are considering proposals to share intelligence and information with Muslims before launching anti-terror operations.The plans, announced by the Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair, are part of a wider vision to engage more with British Muslims whose support police need in fighting terrorism.
Community help was vital in combating terrorism, Sir Ian said.
At a conference on Islamophobia, Sir Ian told his largely Muslim audience that combating the threat of extremism and terrorism was something his officers could not do alone.
"It will not be the police and intelligence services that defeat terrorism, it will be communities," he said.
"The most single important component in the domestic defeat of terror in the next decade is the ability of the police to work with communities to do just that."...
Commander Richard Gargini has been in the police service since 1976 and has extensive experience in dealing with high-risk police operations dealing with murder and other serious crime.
But this job could be his most challenging yet.
In his first interview since his appointment, Mr Gargini explained what he intends to do to heal the rift and restore trust.
He says that the next 12 months will be crucial in broadening and strengthening the links with Muslim communities.
One of his key tasks, and perhaps a controversial one, is to develop a policy whereby Muslims will be consulted before an anti-terror raid happens.
'Influential leaders'
"What we intend to do is invite selected, influential leaders from the Muslim community to come in and assist us when we are planning and dealing with new information - this has worked extremely well in the black community and the shootings that have taken place amongst black men," he said.
Posted by Robert at January 24, 2007 7:09 PM
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That's a great idea! Why not just have the UK
cops plant the bombs too, so that no Muslims
have to die. It slows down their overbreeding
program.
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at January 24, 2007 7:28 PM
What a load of nonsense. Tossers!
Posted by: MP at January 24, 2007 7:29 PM
You would think it would take only one betrayal of England by the "good Muslims" to tell Brits what must be done. It will not be sufficient.
Am quite saddened by the inability of Western society to identify and neutralize the enemy.
Posted by: StillBreathing at January 24, 2007 7:32 PM
I'm not surprised. If Israel can give advance warning to Hezbollah before bombing them then this is not a shock at all.
But both are appalling and absurdly self defeating. What an insane world this has become.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at January 24, 2007 7:56 PM
CAIR moves forward to 'build a nation'
Posted by: ummahnewslinks at January 24, 2007 7:59 PM
Of course they'll cooperate with the police, and tell them to go get the bad guys ... or, rather, some of the bad guys.
You see, one of the main difficulties with this jihad is that it seems there are too many ideas about how it's going to be run, and who's in charge. The most aggressive candidates for leadership realise that their army has to be unified and stop working at cross-purposes. Also there's plenty of mini-Ahmedinijads out there who also want a piece of the power and the glory of "commanding the faithful", and can't really abide rivals.
What better opportunity for them to weed out dubious allies than to use the UK antiterrorist forces to perform the cull for them? How much better than all the in-fighting amongst terrorist groups in Iraq, Lebanon and Palestine, for example.
When informed of raids, of course, they'll want some intervener status..."no, don't touch that one, he's not so bad, we can get him under control...yes, go get that guy, he's the real deal". Their very own shock troops, and the government foots the bill!
Even without intervener status, let's say certain groups somehow just seem to "know" they're about to be raided, and clear out in time ... and others don't. All the same, I suppose.
Seems this is very similar in spirit to the massive U.S./Israel investment in arms and munitions for Fatah. Dhimmis are good for helping get rid of islamist rivals, if nothing else.
Think of it as accepting an invitation to take sides in an islamic family feud.
This could accellerate into more pro-active culls. They can set up their own "investigations" and "report suspicious individuals" who happen to be rogue groups that they can't work with. Hey even islamists get headaches from other islamists sometimes...and what's the point wasting ammo and risking bad press when the kuffar are more than happy to do your dirty work?
The one danger to them is that they may be seen as "cooperating with the kuffar", which I understand is a bit of a no-no. It will be interesting to see how they spin this among the Islamic crowd.
Posted by: Archimedes2 at January 24, 2007 9:08 PM
this has worked extremely well in the black community and the shootings that have taken place amongst black men," [Commander Richard Gargini] said.
Blacks are a different kind of minority than Muslims.
Similarities:
1) Both are minorities.
Differences:
1) Blacks don't have, as Muslims do, a sense of belonging to a trans-national super-community which has a discernible ideology of intolerance and supremacism coupled with divine commands to use violence to further their ideology -- an ideology whose degree of prevalence among Muslims we non-Muslims cannot calculate in order to effectively distinguish harmless Muslims from dangerous Muslims.
at January 24, 2007 9:11 PM
"" Community help was vital in combating terrorism, Sir Ian said. ""
"A mass deportation program was vital in combatting terrorism" Sir Henry said.
Posted by: Sir Henry Morgan at January 25, 2007 3:01 AM
Apparently. Britons are stupid idiots exercising self-defeat.
Posted by: EliasAlucard at January 25, 2007 3:43 AM
Hasn't Sir Ian Blair watched Channel 4's 'Undercover Mosques' programme?
It shows so-called 'moderates' that a copper was filmed saying a took a 'huge comfort from', turning out to be be anything but infidel-friendly behind our backs.
What are the chances that the very Muslims that they consult with won't tip off the people they are planning to raid, so that the police launch a massive raid and find nothing? That is going to make so-called 'community relations' much worse.
Also, what is going to happen if everyone else decides that the police should consult with their community leaders too otherwise it'll be unfair? If the Kray twins were around today, would the police have to go and consult with the Bishop of Stepney before arresting them?
Posted by: Elephant at January 25, 2007 3:47 AM
EliasAlucard said:
"Apparently. Britons are stupid idiots exercising self-defeat."
Please don't tar us all with the same brush. It's those in charge who are the idiots.
And before you tell me that we get the government we deserve, in the UK's 2005 General Election New Labour got only 35.3% of the votes, and only 61.3% of those eligible to vote did so. See:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/vote_2005/constituencies/default.stm
Therefore only 21.6% of the UK's over-18s wanted New Labour, yet they're in charge. Staggering, isn't it?
I can assure you that most of us Brits want rid of comrade Blair (and his chief stormtrooper namesake).
Posted by: watling at January 25, 2007 7:32 AM
on the 6 o'clock tv news:
FLASH....FLASH...FLASH...
Tonight the police will be conducting a raid at 1810 Brighton Lane, at 10:00 PM... They will be looking for terrorists, bombs, bomb making material,weapons,people with invalid identification, hate material, jihad manuals, computers, dvds, and other nefarious material...
We strongly advise all resident to vacate the area to avoid possible violence....
We will repeat this message in 15 minutes....
Posted by: exsgtbrown at January 25, 2007 8:28 AM
Human nature demands stupidity such as this. People will try anything desperately to keep their mental world 'maps'intact.
More British deaths will be the tragic but unavoidable outcome in this stiff-necked intransigence. We pay for our views and we pay for the prevailing views. In blood, lives and treasure. I wish we'd learn to make hard choices before we're backed into them, but we seldom do.
Prepare and protect yourselves, Britons. You shouldn't wait for the prevailing view to turn into the prevailing winds of jihad.
Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at January 25, 2007 9:43 AM
Our current stupidity is all down to the likes of the brothers Blair. Whether they be called Ian or Tony.
But one thing is sure, they’re stupidity is subject to a short life span that can be counted in a few decades, while their due to retire date can be counted in years.
Britain’s lifespan has crossed centuries. Britain will be here when the brothers Blair have been consigned to the history books.
at January 25, 2007 2:27 PM
My dream: Ian Blair & associates ought not to be allowed to mingle with others until they have completed reading both the Koran and Alice in Wonderland. Given Blair's idiocy, I'm afraid he would have to prove his comprehension of both books before any possibility of being restored to public service. I nominate Huge Fitzgerald and Robert Spencer as extremely highly paid test providers.
Posted by: Daisytoo at January 25, 2007 4:55 PM
Mother Ecclesiastica,
Are you aware the BNP is a fascist organization? You should be.
"History of the party and claims of repudiating racism
At its founding, the BNP was explicitly racist. In October 1990, the BNP was described by the European Parliament's committee on racism and xenophobia as an "openly Nazi party... whose leadership have serious criminal convictions". When asked in 1993 if the BNP was racist, its deputy leader Richard Edmonds said, "We are 100 per cent racist, yes".[37] Founder John Tyndall proclaimed that "Mein Kampf is my bible".[38]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party
Posted by: Daisytoo at January 25, 2007 5:05 PM
Daisytoo, we've been through this BNP argument before on various threads here. Bottom Line: if the mainstream political parties don't quickly change their abysmal servitude to Muslim "sensibilities", then British people have absolutely zero cause to object to the BNP.
Posted by: remote_control at January 25, 2007 10:51 PM
Daisytoo,
The accusatory word "fascist" is often used in arguments to close down debate, as if its mere use proves a point. The same applies to the word "racist". We can thank the cancer of political correctness for that.
John Tyndall is dead. His views do not represent BNP policy now. Political parties change. For example: Labour's policy of unilateral nuclear disarmament was abandoned years ago.
Instead of relying on wikipedia and the UK media's anti-BNP smear campaign, have a look at the BNP's web site and make your own mind up.
Posted by: watling at January 26, 2007 7:11 AM
remote control .. impatience w/mainstream politics does not constitute a morally acceptable reason to adopt the political sentiments of a fascistic endeavor such as the BNP.
watling - "The accusatory word "fascist" is often used in arguments to close down debate, as if its mere use proves a point. The same applies to the word "racist". We can thank the cancer of political correctness for that."
Fascist and racist are both perfectly good terms to describe nationalistic white supremacists. FYI, I did follow your suggestion and went to the BNP site. The site only reinforces what I already know to be true.
"John Tyndall is dead. His views do not represent BNP policy now."
The Confederate Army is gone with the wind. So are the members of the Confederate Army who started the KKK. Reconstruction of the South is no longer a Big Issue. However, it would be impossible to construct a logical argument claiming the original KKK's predecessors do not employ the inheritance of ideological hatred. David Duke may not be stringing up 'uppity Negroes' today - instead he gets elected to high office and attends a Holocaust Denial Conferences w/his strange (but true) bedfellow, Ahminidinjad.
Posted by: Daisytoo at January 26, 2007 12:56 PM
Sorry ... this left out: And the same is true of the BNP.
Posted by: Daisytoo at January 26, 2007 12:58 PM
Daisytoo
The Confederate Army is gone with the wind.
Point of general interest. Did you know that Robert E Lee and his leading commanders signed a letter pressing for the recruitment of Negro regiments for The Confederate Army?
Posted by: Fred at January 26, 2007 5:47 PM
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