Christians and Jews in Turkey in 20th Century

Turkey: Christian Armenian Genocide Sources

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Posted by: Old Atlantic at January 28, 2007 9:03 PM

"The council is to replace it with a Genocide Memorial Day in June. This is in line with the policy of the Muslim Council of Britain, which continues to boycott HMD and is asking for a Genocide Day, which will also mark "the ongoing genocide and human rights abuses of Palestinians" by Israelis".

I was unaware that the Israelis were shoving palestinians into ovens. Considering how pro-Islam the world's media is I'm sure it would be the top news story day after day.

The Islamaniacs never stop. Get rid of Holocaust Day since it never happened anyway. Then eliminate any references to it in history books. Then of course comes the topper-eliminating the Jews themselves. The only question that will remain is will the Islamaniacs take pride in all this eliminationg or will they just act as if the Jews never really existed at all?

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at January 28, 2007 9:22 PM

Whatever benefits there are to celebrating a generic genocide memorial day. The Holocaust is a specific event that Britain did it's utmost to end and afterward was involved with bringing as many of the culprits as possible to justice.

It is sad the political correctness demands that the UK forget its proud past.

Posted by: Jerry M at January 28, 2007 9:29 PM

Why not make Mein Kampf and the Koran be the official books of genocide day? Old and New Koran they could call them. They could add the Communist Manifesto if they needed to as part of the New Koran.

Posted by: Old Atlantic at January 28, 2007 9:31 PM

This is evil.

Holocaust memorial day has been turned into an anti-Isreali event.

What a complete perversion of morality and decency.

Posted by: Voltaire at January 28, 2007 9:57 PM

The only Holocaust Day the Muslims wish to recognize is the new one they wish and intend on perpetrating against the remaining Jews.

Posted by: TheRegulator at January 28, 2007 11:28 PM

Britain is cursed...doomed. Let them continue along their path -- good riddance, I suppose.

So they just love their Islamist, terrorist buddies...what else is new? That Amanpour bitch reported on CNN (triumphantly?) that half the mosques in Britain do not allow women to pray indoors -- inside the mosques -- yeah, women have to go outside to pray...women, like infidels, are not sufficiently worthy.

Well, get use to it, you f____g British morons -- go bow down to your new-found masters! The new pagans. Have fun. Enjoy yourselves. And while you're at it, go praise your BBC.

Posted by: J.S. at January 28, 2007 11:30 PM

I would say that the British (may a curse be spoken in their name!) are the number one threat to western civilization outside the actual Islamic states. They are a true menace.

I don't think any civilized state in the western world should allow "British" immigrants into the country -- they are nothing more than Islamist, pro-jihadist, pro-terrorist agents. Spies for islam -- via Hezbollah, Hamas, the BBC, etc.

Posted by: J.S. at January 28, 2007 11:37 PM

Oh, and I might add, this is NOT a "racial" thing -- I really don't care what "race" a Brit claims...it's all the same to me...it's a PRO JIHADIST, PRO TERRORIST designation. end of story. Don't let 'em in. They ain't "allies" (other than being allies of the Muslim jihadists.)

Posted by: J.S. at January 29, 2007 12:01 AM

Of course we, who fight for, and believe in, freedom, should remember every incident in the history of the world that could possibly be categorised as 'holocaust'. Let us, for example, remember all those incidents so vividly written up in the koran, all those incidents so starkly recorded in Western European history -

September 11, 2001 attacks in the United States - 2,973 killed
Air India Flight 182 bombing over the Atlantic Ocean - 329 killed
Pan Am Flight 103 bombing over Scotland - 270 killed
11 July 2006 Mumbai train bombings in India - 207 killed
2002 Bali bombing in Indonesia - 202 killed
11 March 2004 Madrid train bombings in Spain - 191 killed
Ashura massacre in Iraq - 170 killed
Oklahoma City bombing in the United States - 168 killed
Russian aircraft bombings of August 2004 in Russia - 89 killed
7 July 2005 London bombings in England - 52 killed
Coastal Road massacre in Israel - 37 killed
Dublin and Monaghan Bombings in Ireland - 35 killed
Basbaglar Massacre [1] in Turkey - 30 killed
Passover massacre in Israel - 30 killed
Omagh bombing in Northern Ireland- 29 killed

or

The Genocide/The Holocaust against the Jews, Roma, Slavs, Homosexuals, and others
The genocide of Native Americans
The Armenian Genocide
The Burundi Genocide
The Rwandan Genocide
The Darfur Genocide
Thev Political mass murder such as Béla Kun's ethnic cleansing against Turkish and Crimean Tartars and other minorities in 1921-22
Stalin's Great Purge
The Killing Fields of Cambodia
The Hama massacre.
The Srebrenica Massacre
The Katyn Forest Massacre of Polish citizens
The Nanjing Massacre during World War II
The Blitz
The bombing of Dresden
The Atomic Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

or

Actions in which a state caused the death of large numbers of people (which political scientist R. J. Rummel calls "democide") which, in addition to the cases above, may, or may not (depending upon your point of view) include man-made disasters caused by the state, such as the Holodomor in the Soviet Union, and the disastrous effects of the Great Leap Forward in China.

or

What about the wrongful killing of large numbers of civilians or prisoners during war, usually called a war crime, although it may also be genocide if the proper ethnic motivation is present, as in the killings which occurred in the breakaway republics of the former Yugoslavia (e.g. the Srebrenica massacre), in the killing of the Pequot in colonial America, or in killing of hundreds of thousands, possibly millions, of Hindu and Muslim Bengalis by the armed forces of Pakistan in 1971.

Yes, these are all 'holocausts'. But they would pale into insignificance compared to the holocaust which moslems seek to impose upon this planet.

Let's examine that. First off, and most important from my point of view as a gay man, moslems seeks the death, yes, the death, of every homosexual alive and every homosexual who will ever be born. At a conservative estimate this means that they are prepared to murder 600,000,000 people worldwide at the moment - not, of course, a holocaust according to moslems but an act sanctioned by their allah god against evil.

Then, of course, they seek the death of all those who will not convert to islam. Let us assume, for a moment that some ten percent of us refuse to convert and keep up some form of resistance; this would mean that moslems would wish to slaughter some 1.5 billion of us.

So, the total so far comes to 2.1 billion people, as of the present moment, whom the moslems would slaughter. If you add in the tribal peoples of the world (whom moslems hate because of their animistic/natural impulses), the feminists who would refuse to give in to the evil and barbaric male supremacy ways of islam (naturally), the children who would be forcible raped and/or converted and every other minority hated for no good reason, other than that the barbarian moslem sees them as 'other', by the moslem barbarian horde then one is probably looking at a total slaughter, as of today's date, of close on three billion people simply to satisfy the bloodlust; simply to satisfy the longing for supremacy borne out of carnage; simply to satisfy the final fulfillment and ultimate resolution of a paranoid, and ultimately delusional, and bloody, belief system called islam; simply to satisfy, in other words, a longing, borne out of the erroneous, satanic, statements in the koran (amongst other works), to kill.

Can one be in any doubt what-so-ever that islam, mohammedanism, muslimism, moslimism, mawslimism, call it what you will, is the the most intolerant, bloodthirsty, vicious, evil force ever to come into being on this Earth. It, and its followers, seek only one thing - the subjugation and/or murder of all who oppose it and its promulgation. The followers of this cult and creed which we call islam seek only one thing - the destruction of all that human goodness is, the destruction of us!

The solution: well, I leave that to you for if I was to give my solution then Robert et al would have no choice, under the PC laws which we have to tolerate and live by in our societies today, other than to delete this post.

Dominic.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at January 29, 2007 12:02 AM

Why are Muslims unable to grasp the meaning of the word genocide? There is no "genocide" going on in Palestine.

Posted by: Jesus Christ Supercop at January 29, 2007 12:17 AM

J.S./

I would say that the British (may a curse be spoken in their name!) are the number one threat to western civilization outside the actual Islamic states. They are a true menace.

I don't think any civilized state in the western world should allow "British" immigrants into the country -- they are nothing more than Islamist, pro-jihadist, pro-terrorist agents. Spies for islam -- via Hezbollah, Hamas, the BBC, etc.

Oh, and I might add, this is NOT a "racial" thing -- I really don't care what "race" a Brit claims...it's all the same to me...it's a PRO JIHADIST, PRO TERRORIST designation. end of story. Don't let 'em in. They ain't "allies" (other than being allies of the Muslim jihadists.)

Really. Grow up! Many of we Brits post here. I am English (British) and I post here. How dare you categorise all Brits. in this way based simply on one newspaper report - especially since your country just elected a Democrat (Dhimmicrat?) Congress.

"Spies for islam" indeed. Come across the pond and have a few drinks with me then see what you think!

Dominic.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at January 29, 2007 12:17 AM

As an American, I must say that the statement about Britain being the "number one threat to western civilization outside the actual Islamic states" is way over the top.

Britain has the same PC disease that the US, only it has progressed further and faster (probably due to its proximity to Continental Europe). However, we can never forget that there was a period of time when Britain stood alone against the Axis with bravery and courage as great as found in any civilization. I will never give up on the UK.

No reason for those of similar mind on this issue to do anything besides plan for a better future.

Posted by: JSobieski at January 29, 2007 12:35 AM

I don't like that they give in to muslims, but they should have made it a generic holiday for other reasons. There have been many genocides. The armenians, greeks, and assyrians under the turks. The 70 million hindus under islamic rule. And the greatest genocide of all the innocent russian christians under communism. All of these should be remembered. Plus many more like rwanda and cambodia.

Posted by: pissedoffcanadian at January 29, 2007 12:35 AM

" However, we can never forget that there was a period of time when Britain stood alone against the Axis with bravery and courage as great as found in any civilization."

Well not quite. The Serbs and Greece stood against hitler alone once the Battle of Britain proved inconclusive. These two countries had a lot to lose but knowing how much suffering they would go through they fought on. This was before the US entered the war. Crete alone lasted longer than France. And yet cowardly nations like Britain later sold out these countries. First Cyprus to the Turks and later the Uber pedaphile Tony Blair sold out the Serbs in Kosovo. Sorry I agree Britain is a disgrace. yes they do suffer from the same PC disease as us in North America but it has nothing to do with being close to the continent. PC culture first became dominant in the US. The US is the only country where it has not completely taken over because it is the biggest of the Industrial nations.

Posted by: pissedoffcanadian at January 29, 2007 12:47 AM

The uniqueness of a particular kind of genocide, conducted by an advanced European state, and aided and abetted by all kinds of people outside of Germany, has to be recognized with something. For this was not merely attempting to kill all the people of one ethnicity or religion in one place, but to seek them out, wherever the German writ ran, and to kill them everywhere -- everywhere in the world, if possible. That is what distinguishes the Nazi murders of the Jews, which cap a long history of Western antisemitism, which is different in its origin from the antisemitism of Islam, from all other attacks that might be called genocide, such as those of the Turks on the Armenians within Turkey, but with no attempt or intent to wipe out Armenians who might be in Iran, or in Europe, or America, or anywhere outside of Turkey. Thus there are massacres (ordinarily limited in time), mass-murders (that continue for a while longer), genocides (where a given population, ordinarily identified by race or religion or ethnicity, is murdered to the last local victim) and the Holocaust (a genocide which, unlike all the others, did not stop at Germany's borders, and could not have been satisfied by, say, the removal of all Jews from Europe, but would have continued as long as the Nazis could continue, and if they could have conquered the New World, they would certainly have killed the Jews in both North and South America, as they would those in Asia and in Africa.

That is why a "Genocide Day" is a deliberate attempt to do two things: dilute the enormity of the Nazi crime, and of the Jews as victims (a Nazi crime in which Haj Amin el Husseini was an enthusastic supporter and aid, and then there were so many pro-Nazis among Arab leaders, such as Anwar Sadat (imrpsioned by the British for pro-Nazi activities) and Rashid Ali in Iraq (soon overthrown), and of course the Arab masses, who were rooting for the Nazis. Bad as the British administration in Palestine was, at least it had the common sense to pass out rifles to the Jews of Palestine, knowing that they could be trusted to fight the Germans, and they were right: spectacular deeds were done were in the Western Desert of Egypt, in Syria, and in Iraq, by Palestinian Jewish volunteers who knew they were often being sent on suicide missions,and gladly undertook them.

Oh, those rifles? As soon as the war was over, the British in Mandatory Palestine went around and confiscated all of them. They didn't want the Jews to be armed; meanwhile, the British government continued to train and arm the armies of Transjordan (see the memoirs of Glubb Pasha and of Sir Alec Kirkbride), and Egypt, and Iraq.

As for the supposed atrocities wreaked on the "Palestinians" (i.e. the local Arabs carefully renamed the "Palestinian people" after the Six-Day War) by those monstrous Israelis, there has been a catalogue of horrors, of more than 30,000 separate attacks on Israeli civilians since 1948 (19,000 of them by the Egyptian fellahin alone). Plane hijackings, the beating to death of young boys, the killing of schoolgirls at Ma'alot and on outingts to a Jordanian "peace garden," the murders of Israelis at pizza parlors, Passover celebrations, on buses, in cars, on the sidewalk, in schools, everywhere. And yet the Israelis continue to supply free medical care to the Arabs, built their first universities (the very ones where Arabs, that is "Palestinians," now agitate and learn the skills that may make them more effective in the Lesser Jihad against Israel).

Yes, by all means there should be an observance of the hideous Lesser Jihad, that has no end, and can have no end, that has been conducted by nearly two dozen Arab Muslim states, possessing territory that is a thousand times as large as that nearly-invisible sliver on the world map, the state of Israel, and of course, the greatest unearned wealth in the history of humanity.

There has been atrocity after atrocity in the Middle East. But not by the Israeli side.

Posted by: Hugh at January 29, 2007 12:53 AM

So the Muslim council of Britain believes that a Genocide memorial day will mark "the ongoing genocide of human rights abuses of Palestinians by Israelis."

Funny about that,considering the neo-Syrians,Lebanese,Jordanians,Egyptians(opps, I mean Palestinians) boast the greatest birth rate per square meter in the world. That would,by most standards, be a rather poor example of a "genocide" in action. Contrast that with the decline in numbers of European Jews from 1939 to 1945 and one finds yet another smokescreen to delegitimize the holocaust. The problem is this Bolton council has bought the moral genocidal equivalency argument which refuses to acknowledge the true origins,uniqueness and systemic economic and human consequences inherent to the holocaust.

Posted by: kafir world at January 29, 2007 12:53 AM

As I have just posted at:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/015021.php#comments

Basically, it seems to me that Americans, on this site tonight, faced with the encroachments of the barbarian moslem seek to blame anyone else other than themselves for this state of affairs. Certainly, we are all guilty of pandering to the the barbarian islamic horde, but it is useless to project your anger onto we British simply because you are so weak and unable to resist - as we are.

Stop trying to castigate and blame us and start to try to work with us and resist not just the uncivilised moslem but also the weak-willed PC voter who is for you, as for us, the scourge and the potential ultimate downfall of our two countries. There is no difference between the American propensity for Dhimmicrat Congressmen and the British Propensity for blind PC Multiculturalism.

Either we stand together or we fall together because we could not resist political point scoring and historical revision - just who is the enemy here?

Dominic.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at January 29, 2007 1:13 AM

Mother Ecclesiastica/

"You lot ARE responsible for much.
You might not like that fact, but I can assure you that the view from Down Under sure ain't pretty. Your Queen, Elizabeth, and Her Government is very, very guilty of High Treason. Elizabeth is supposed to be the Head of The Church in Gt Britain. Elizabeth has betrayed her People, her God, her Church, and her Realm. Yet, still no call for a republic from the Brits???Why should we have any faith in 50,000,000 people who have already betrayed us?"

Details and instances, please. It is impossible to argue, or debate, with generalities.

Dominic.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at January 29, 2007 1:17 AM

Hugh, also, has to be paid attention to. His commentary, oblique though it is, upon my list of genocidal atrocities is cogent and to the point - as one would expect - and should, if we are paying attention, remind us that the struggle for our civilisation, our way of life, is not between another country and the UK but between all our countries and the force of primitive, barbaric islam which is currently levelled against us by the great mass of psuedo-states in the mohammedan sphere.

Read him. Learn from him.

Dominic.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at January 29, 2007 1:31 AM

For the Bolton Metropolitan Metropolitan Borough Council, this decision might have been thought of as a final solution. There's a word for it in Deutsch - Endlosung

Posted by: Infidel Pride at January 29, 2007 1:48 AM

Scratch one of the 'Metropolitan's - keyboard was too fast due to another slow website loading on another tab.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at January 29, 2007 1:50 AM

"Never again."

Well, that didn't take long.

Posted by: special_guest at January 29, 2007 3:12 AM

"This is in line with the policy of the Muslim Council of Britain, which continues to boycott HMD and is asking for a Genocide Day, which will also mark "the ongoing genocide and human rights abuses of Palestinians" by Israelis."

Anyone know where there is Pest Control taking place ? Anywhere on the planet ? Here is one infidel who will pay to see it.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at January 29, 2007 3:42 AM

JS

I am sorry but you have no idea what it is like living in Britain at the moment. One word, and I mean one word, said in the wrong place can cost you your job and in extreme cases put you in jail.

I'm very surprised to see this story and wonder if the local paper will get away with it particularly as it has not been picked up by any of the national media. The Nationals can sometimes report these things but even they have to be careful.

BTW the BBC are running the “Most young Muslims want Sharia law” story as the second feature but none of the other channels or papers have picked it up.

Posted by: Fred at January 29, 2007 4:31 AM

Seconding Fred's post- it's very, very easy to lose your job for "racism". The media here is terrified of running any story which gives the liberals cause to shout out Power Words like "racism" or "Islamophobia" or "BNP" and drown out any kind of debate. A case in point would be the reporting last week of the 4 teenagers who are facing jail over the killing of an Asian taxi driver in Huddersfield. It was half way through the report before the newsreader said that the reason behind the attack was the fact that the taxi driver had earlier in the year carried an Asian gang to a place where they attacked a group of whites. By this point most of the liberal viewers of the BBC would probably have been ignoring the TV and clucking to each other about how terrible the crime was. The reporting of the sentencing on their website is even more vague:

"Richard Hebbert, of the Crown Prosecution Service West Yorkshire, said: "This killing was aggravated by the use of racist abuse during the attack on Mr Parvaiz, against a background of trouble between white and Asian youths.

"But Mr Parvaiz wasn't killed simply because he was Asian."

The last two paragraphs of the story- the least likely part of the story to be read.

Posted by: NGPC at January 29, 2007 6:48 AM

Just checked the local paper on http://www.thisisbolton.co.uk/news/ otherwise Google "bolton evening news holocaust day"

Two sets of comments most seem to be of the;

Why-are-the-Jews-anything-special-dont-blame-our-muslim-citizens-because-muslims-have-always-protected-the-Jews-and-Christians-have-always-murdered-them, type.

Posted by: Fred at January 29, 2007 7:40 AM

"Well, get use to it, you f____g British morons -- go bow down to your new-found masters! The new pagans. Have fun. Enjoy yourselves."

Such eloquence! A good definition of a moron is someone who uses this kind of language, and betrays the level of his intellect.

Posted by: JFGR at January 29, 2007 7:43 AM

"I am sorry but you have no idea what it is like living in Britain at the moment. One word, and I mean one word, said in the wrong place can cost you your job and in extreme cases put you in jail."

This is not the Britain I live in -- way, way over the top.

Posted by: JFGR at January 29, 2007 7:47 AM

"Yet, still no call for a republic from the Brits???"

A republic? With some PC-indocrinated nonentity who's worked his/her way up in the party hierarchy as head of state? No thanks. Won't you people ever realize that the monarch in Britain DOES NOT HAVE ANY POLTICAL POWER -- learn about 1688 and all that.

Posted by: JFGR at January 29, 2007 7:51 AM

"I do not waste my time in piffling 'debate'."

The boast of totalitarians through the ages.

Posted by: JFGR at January 29, 2007 7:55 AM

G'day Mother Ecclesiastica,

Sorry to engage you in piffling debate, old girl - and I also apologise for resorting to those annoying things called facts - but you wondered:

"Why should we have any faith in 50,000,000 people who have already betrayed us?"

Have a gander at my comment at:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/014958.php#comments

The relevant text there is:

"Therefore only 21.6% of the UK's over-18s wanted New Labour, yet they're in charge. Staggering, isn't it?"

The UK's official population is about 60 million (give or take a few million illegal immigrants - which New Labour have welcomed to our already overcrowded isle), of whom about 44 million are eligible to vote. Therefore, fewer than 10 million actually voted for the UK's current government. Even you, with your flagrant disregard for facts, should hopefully agree that 10 million is a tad less than 50 million.

Fair dinkum?

So don't assume we're all fully paid-up Blairites. Comprenez-vous? Peut-être il faut le répéter plusieures fois pour que vous puissiez mieux vous rendre compte des faits?

Blair = bad.
Blair = bad.
Blair = bad.

Also, for the record, I want rid of the Royal Family. So let me be the first to call for a republic!

P.S. Is Mother Ecclesiastica your stage-name? Where can I see you performing? And don't you just lurve Rolf Harris? "Two little boys had two little toys" ... dum di dum di-di doo ...

Posted by: watling at January 29, 2007 8:00 AM

"This is in line with the policy of the Muslim Council of Britain, which continues to boycott HMD and is asking for a Genocide Day, which will also mark "the ongoing genocide and human rights abuses of Palestinians" by Israelis."

I wasn't aware that Palestinians (so-called) were being marched into ovens like the Jews were during the Holocaust. Damn mainstream media dropped the ball again...

Posted by: DCWatson at January 29, 2007 8:23 AM

JFGR

This is not the Britain I live in -- way, way over the top.

I am sorry that you are so out of touch and can only assume you're some kind of spook testing extent of public knowledge. Perhaps I can risk giving you a couple of examples.

From the bottom

A Pakistani lad joined the cleaning staff at a Town Hall. After a couple of days the head janitor asked in all innocence (sic.) is the new P*** lad about? He was sacked for racism despite 12 years service and pleas that not prefixed P*** with anything offensive.

To the top,

About two years ago Anthony Browne the European correspondent for the Times wrote an article of on immigration entitled “Britain is in danger of losing Britain”. You can probably find it on the web. Shortly afterwards David Blunkett former Home Secretary described the article in Parliament as “semi-fascist”.
As an expert in the British Constitution you should understand the seriousness of this.

Had the comment been made by an unknown MP, it would have been irrelevant.

Had the comment been made by a member of the government it would have constituted a threat to a journalist and been politically unacceptable.

Because it was made by a senior member of the Labour Party and a former member of the government it was published and carried weight.

I will translate it into English for you,

"Watch out Mr Anthony Browne - don't write anything like that again or we'll have you! Times correspondent or not!"

You might be interested in the opinion of a Russian diplomat in his book “Britain Observed” published in the 1970s. You would agree that he would know something about political repression?

The following quote is particularly appropriate:

“The English sheep in the English field can eat flowers, weeds and do pretty much anything he wants - all the other sheep will just smile and say how quaint! But let him jump over the fence into the next field and he's on the next wagon to the slaughter house!”

Anthony Browne was being warned not to jump the fence.

Posted by: Fred at January 29, 2007 9:23 AM

It' not surprising that Holocaust denial exists both in Britain and America. During WWII, we refused the Jews asylum here and Britain refused them entry into the Holy Land, so they had no place to go except the ovens of the Third Reich.

There weren't enough dead Jews to satisfy the Brits after WWII, so they trained and armed the Arab Legion in an attempt to finish the job. After all, Britain stole 80 percent of the land mandated by the League of Nations for Israel,and gave it to one of the Hussains to become Trans-Jordan. And no thief wants a reminder of his crime staring him in the face every day.

Rewrite history, or believe what you want, but these are the facts. Deny the Holocaust all you want, but it happened. As long as one person is alive who remembers the truth, then the Holocaust continues to exist, whatever feeble attempts the dhimmis in Bolton and their Islamic masters make.

Posted by: cactus at January 29, 2007 9:37 AM

Hey J.S
Don't call us Brits fuc*ing morons you twat.
Do you realise that the massive majority of us want this scum kicked out of OUR country. We fought oppression in Europe over 60 years ago probably whilst people like you who thought we were morons sat on their fat butts debating it whilst people died (until you found a politician with the balls to join in).

Get real! Britain is, and will be at the front line of this war against the real morons. Just because places like Bolton have a council run by a bunch of Communist appeasers don't think the likes of me agree. I am from the South of England (a bit like your South), where we hate scum like this. I have lived in the north, in Leeds and saw the rise of this Islamic filth nearly 30 years ago. Those of us who spoke out against them were branded "racist". This I am not. Anyone who hates this scourge had best look at who else will fight them alongside you. Israel for one and oh yes that tiny little island somewhere off Europe.

Please don't insult all Brits because of the views of the trendy lefty liberals. This war is not yours alone, believe me the vast majority of Brits would like nothing more than to see every one of these Moslem's sent back home, along with some of our stupid politicians who like them so much. I for one would then like to see every last mosque in the UK demolished.

So J.S don't insult someone who is in this fight with you, right to the end. We wont see this filth take our way of life from us, and neither will we see them take yours. It does not help to call your Comrades morons. Britain and it's people is and always will be your staunch ally.

Posted by: bob_bournemouth at January 29, 2007 11:38 AM

JFGR

I always get second thoughts and if the two instances given above are a bit heavy have you any opinion on these?

Several years ago a man making his living putting 8000 free newspapers in local supermarkets included a jokey piece about immigrants from a national tabloid. This was with cheerful disregard to the laws of copyright. Some ardent Liberal reported him to the police and he received a visit from two detectives to warn him about publishing racist material. When they discovered the source the police backed off

Then there was the village in the West of England that decided to update its Christmas pantomime as Snow White and the Seven Asylum Seekers. Another ardent liberal reported them to the Relations Board and they were required to submit a script so that they might be “Advised if they were breaking the law”.

BTW if you look at the Anthony Browne article you'll see one of the key passages refers to the incredible level of censorship about immigration in Britain which must sooner or later break.

Posted by: Fred at January 29, 2007 11:42 AM

Fred,

You wrote:

"I am sorry that you are so out of touch and can only assume you're some kind of spook testing extent of public knowledge. Perhaps I can risk giving you a couple of examples."

Well, I am an Englishman living in England. I think that fact alone gives me an advantage over all the ranters from the American Mid-West, or wherever it is they come from. Secondly, you give two examples. I am not denying that this sort of thing happens in Britain. What I am denying is that it is typical of Britain. I don't suppose you would say that all the cases of US dhimmitude were typical of the US, would you? And the point of the Blunkett story is that a politician can say what he likes in parliament, but can't necessarily do anything about it. You say he meant "Watch out Mr Anthony Browne - don't write anything like that again or we'll have you! Times correspondent or not!" What is that supposed to mean -- "We'll have you!"? We don't live in a country where cabinet ministers can "have" people just because they don't like what they say. If Blunkett had wanted to change the law so that he could "have" people it wouldn't get through parliament -- in fact it would be a return to Charles I's Star Chamber which was abolished for good in 1688.

Oh, and citing a Soviet diplomat as a great authority on Britain is scraping the barrel a bit, isn't it? You don't think maybe he had a vested interest in rubbishing a Western country?

Posted by: JFGR at January 29, 2007 12:52 PM

Precisely: "Your Queen, Elizabeth, and Her Government is very, very guilty of High Treason." And that "Prince" of yours -- who displays every possible indicator that he wants to convert to Islam! At a conference in Saudi Arabia he donned robes -- dressed like an Imam and gave a lecture on "religion."
Disgusting. Keep the Brits out of civilized countries!!

Posted by: J.S. at January 29, 2007 4:01 PM

J.S. writes:
"Keep the Brits out of civilized countries!!"

You're unhinged. Maybe a mohammadan trying to
stir the pot a bit? Naseem, is that you?

The battle for Britain and the West is just
beginning and you'd have us throw in the towel.
Laughable.

Posted by: root_cause at January 29, 2007 4:15 PM

JFGR

I do not wish to be particularly offensive but you do seem to be rather naive about the workings of government, particularly British government. The point I was trying to make it was that statements and serious warnings about politically contentious items are never given openly. Politics requires an ability to “Sniff the wind” so you send out warnings and messages by putting things in the wind.

Nothing is ever written down and nothing can ever be proved in court. A quick word in the corridor after a routine meeting is enough to make clear what is required and that jobs are on the line if you do not obey. That is the way politicians work.

That is the way they would deal with Anthony Browne if they needed to. A few words would be exchanged here and there, nothing written down, nothing recorded but everyone would get the message. He would probably be made redundant and find other papers "Had no vacancies". There is more than one way to skin a cat and British politicians have centuries of experience at skinning cats.

Are you familiar with Gilbert & Sullivan's Pirates of Penzance? When the Pirate King is accused of being a “Murdering cutthroat who sinks ships” he replies to the effect that compared to even first class politics, cutting throats and sinking ships is a pretty clean business.

As for your dismissal of the opinion of the Russian diplomat, that would seem to be a clear case of stereotyping. If you were to read the book you would see that there are things about Britain and it’s political system he does not understand, nevertheless there is no reason why a Russian and a communist should be dismissed just because he is a Russian and a communist. Hitler made that mistake.

Posted by: Fred at January 29, 2007 5:17 PM

Why don't that loon - J.S. and that Australian transvestite (M.S.) set up their own anglophobic bloc? They could call it PinkoLimeyFaggotWatch.org

Posted by: schmegel at January 29, 2007 6:49 PM

J.S. wrote:
"I would say that the British (may a curse be spoken in their name!) are the number one threat to western civilization"

J.S. - you call a trailer park in incestville 'western civilization'?

Posted by: schmegel at January 29, 2007 7:00 PM

Correction - that should have read: anglophobic blog. And the Aussie Tranny's initials are M.E.

Posted by: schmegel at January 29, 2007 7:19 PM

Fred wrote:

"I do not wish to be particularly offensive but you do seem to be rather naive about the workings of government, particularly British government. The point I was trying to make it was that statements and serious warnings about politically contentious items are never given openly. Politics requires an ability to “Sniff the wind” so you send out warnings and messages by putting things in the wind.

Nothing is ever written down and nothing can ever be proved in court. A quick word in the corridor after a routine meeting is enough to make clear what is required and that jobs are on the line if you do not obey. That is the way politicians work. "

Fred, I don't want to be particularly offensive, but aren't you a tiny bit of a conspiracy theorist?

Posted by: JFGR at January 29, 2007 7:48 PM

Fred wrote:

"nevertheless there is no reason why a Russian and a communist should be dismissed just because he is a Russian and a communist. Hitler made that mistake."

And I also seem to remember that Hitler made the mistake of underestimating the English.

Posted by: JFGR at January 29, 2007 7:54 PM

Hang on for just a moment, everyone. I really can't stand by and watch people insult Mother Ecclesiastica in this way. She and I might have our political differences but neither she, nor I, advocate that, because of those differences, one or the other of us ought to be beheaded or hanged. She is a civilised Australian person with different views from mine. She is also perfectly entitled to make statements which I disagree with without incurring the wrath of others - though thanks for the defense, guys - and the fact that she does not wish to debate those statements at this moment in time is OK by me. She is one of us, with her own unique, and, dare I say it, valuable viewpoint.

I'll tell you one thing: I'd rather spend an evening round my own fireside (sorry M.E., couldn't resist that) with her and a good few bottles of whatever we would choose to lubricate our conversation with than with many other people whom I have actually met in real life. I hope, one day, that I'll get the chance to do just that!

Dominic.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at January 29, 2007 11:42 PM

Fred, I don't want to be particularly offensive, but aren't you a tiny bit of a conspiracy theorist?

I'm afraid not, deception has always been part of the politician's stock-in-trade. There is a centuries-old maxim, probably from Louis XIV’s France or possibly Imperial Rome maintaining “Who cannot deceive cannot govern”. Please check this up yourself its in most books of political quotations.

As for the Russian diplomat, my point was; even though he might be a Russian and the Communist, it didn't mean he was a clod-hopping peasant incapable making a rational political assessment. Your reference to Hitler in your last post is irrelevant and incorrect, he never underestimated Britain, just the German army's capacity to fight Britain, America and Russia at the same time.

Posted by: Fred at January 30, 2007 4:09 AM

Fred-

I believe that Hitler expected to bomb Britain into submission. I also believe that one source of exasperation for him was that, rather than capitulate, the people of Britain rallied in defiance instead.

Posted by: Wishbone at January 30, 2007 9:10 AM

Just a little update here:

The decision by Bolton Council has now been reversed and Holocaust Memorial Day will return next year.

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/boltonnews/display.var.1153196.0.council_boss_says_sorry_over_holocaust_service_decision.php

Posted by: Ginro at January 30, 2007 12:39 PM

J.S.
I don't think any civilized state in the western world should allow "British" immigrants into the country -- they are nothing more than Islamist, pro-jihadist, pro-terrorist agents. Spies for islam -- via Hezbollah, Hamas, the BBC, etc.

its true js the british are pro islam they are spies for islam to i remeber those 2 british plane spotters got caught spying for Turkey i cannot stand the british its thanks to those backstabbers that turks stole our land in cyprus i will never forgive the british they also killed greeks Cypriots in cyprus they use to let turkish Cypriots toture Greek Cypriot prisoners i do not care if islam takes over the UK they deserve it for helping muslims take over our country

Posted by: Greek Gurl at January 30, 2007 2:17 PM

What about a ban the Koran day? See if the UK can get through one day without the Koran.

Posted by: Old Atlantic at January 30, 2007 4:47 PM

"its true js the british are pro islam they are spies for islam to i remeber those 2 british plane spotters got caught spying for Turkey i cannot stand the british its thanks to those backstabbers that turks stole our land in cyprus i will never forgive the british they also killed greeks Cypriots in cyprus they use to let turkish Cypriots toture Greek Cypriot prisoners i do not care if islam takes over the UK they deserve it for helping muslims take over our country"

Forgive me, greekgurl -- I am very fond of Greece -- but this is really total drivel. Those British plane spotters were indeed naive, innocent British plane spotters, and the fact that the Greek authorities arrested them for "spying for Turkey" says more about Greek paranoia than about the British. And if the Greek Cypriots, and people like Grivas, had had a bit more sense, Cyprus wouldn't have been invaded by the Turks in 1974.

Posted by: JFGR at January 30, 2007 7:48 PM

Back to the topic of the holocaust. Hugh's dismissal of other holocausts is insulting. The whole argument that the jewish genocide was the worst because of some conspiracy to kill all jews versus jews only in one country is nonsense. There is no evidence Hitler wanted to kill jews in the US and it doesn't make any difference. Murder is murder. I think jews like hugh must stop denying the genocides of armenians, greeks, assyrians, and serbs. These people went thru worse times. The whole point of this site is that everyone should stick together against islam and that we can all work out our differences. Yet there is always one group that has to make everyone hate muslims on their terms and only their terms alone. The Jews. Christ the holocaust happend so did other genocides. Israel denies almost all other genocides. I am glad holocaust day was made a generic holiday. The holocaust rememberance holiday has become almost pseudo religious. It is so PC. Political Correctness is our downfall. Anything that PC I am skeptical about. Lets drop it and get on with the real issues.

Posted by: pissedoffcanadian at January 31, 2007 1:22 AM

A further footnote on this affair from The Bolton News:

"We asked: Do you agree with Bolton Council's decision to scrap its Holocaust Memorial Day ceremony?
Yes: 88pc. No: 12pc."

Posted by: philiph35 at January 31, 2007 5:15 AM

JFGR

forgive me, greekgurl -- I am very fond of Greece -- but this is really total drivel. Those British plane spotters were indeed naive, innocent British plane spotters, and the fact that the Greek authorities arrested them for "spying for Turkey" says more about Greek paranoia than about the British. And if the Greek Cypriots, and people like Grivas, had had a bit more sense, Cyprus wouldn't have been invaded by the Turks in 1974.

jfgr after what the british have done to Greeks i dont blame greeks for being paranoid and dont blame grivas for turkey invading Cyprus blame the british and Turks they made cyprus part of the british Empire and they prevented it from having union with Greece so thats why grivas fought against the birtish. you british think you own the world and can dictate to other countrys tell them how to run there goverment your no better then the muslims

and you british liars should take your base out of Cyprus and stop buying grek Cypriots stolen homes in the north that makes you just as much thieves as turk muslims

Posted by: Greek Gurl at January 31, 2007 3:10 PM

Greek Gurl wrote:

"jfgr after what the british have done to Greeks i dont blame greeks for being paranoid and dont blame grivas for turkey invading Cyprus blame the british and Turks they made cyprus part of the british Empire"

"what the british have done to Greeks ". Like fighting for and giving them their independence from Ottoman Turkey in the nineteenth century? Don't forget, too, that the population of Cyprus contained a sizeable minority of Turks -- it wasn't the sole property of Greeks. I repeat, the Greeks were extremely inept during the 60s and 70s in dealing with the Cyprus Question.

Posted by: JFGR at January 31, 2007 6:24 PM

jfgr
what the british have done to Greeks ". Like fighting for and giving them their independence from Ottoman Turkey in the nineteenth century? Don't forget, too, that the population of Cyprus contained a sizeable minority of Turks -- it wasn't the sole property of Greeks. I repeat, the Greeks were extremely inept during the 60s and 70s in dealing with the Cyprus Question.

the british never gave greeks independence from the ottoman empire the reason the ottoman leased Cyprus to the british was becuase turkey at the time was scared of russia invading and they begged the british to come in cyprus and have bases in cyprus to keep russia from Turkey britan only brought what was stolen by the turks like they do today when they buy stolen homes of greeks cyprus sold to them by turks who stole those homes in the first place britian is a thiefing nation just like turk muslims are theifs

J.S. is right you british are a pathetic islam loving nation

Posted by: Greek Gurl at January 31, 2007 7:12 PM

greek gurl,

"the british never gave greeks independence from the ottoman empire "

OK, let's just drop it, shall we, if you live in cloud-cuckoo land? Anyway, you are obviously so poisoned by your anglophobia that it's a waste of time to debate.

Posted by: JFGR at February 1, 2007 8:03 AM