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Abdication of Responsibility Update. From DPA:
ISLAMABAD - EU and Pakistani counter-terrorism experts concluded three days of talks in Islamabad on Friday with a pledge to deepen cooperation and tackle the radicalization that breeds terrorism.
The growing phenomenon of radicalization needed to be countered anywhere it takes place, EU Counter-Terrorism Coordinator Gijs de Vries told Pakistani counterparts, stressing the value of bilateral ties.
“Pakistan is a moderate and modern Muslim country and has a very important role to play in the world, especially at a time when there are so many misperceptions,” the EU official was quoted as saying in a statement released by the Pakistani Foreign Ministry.
He expressed appreciation of the cooperation extended by Pakistan to many EU countries in counter-terrorism. Acknowledging Islamabad’s efforts towards curbing terrorism at home, he said Pakistan had also been its victim for a long time.
In turn, the Pakistani side urged the EU to take a frank look at problems in the union contributing to the growth of radicalization.
The European Union causes radicalization! Bad dhimmis!
“The EU needs to look within itself to counter discrimination, Islamophobia and xenophobia,” the statement said.
Mounting examples of these ills had been documented in the recent comprehensive report of the European Union Monitoring Centre (EUMC), it noted.
The EU also needed to take action against terrorists and their supporters who were residing in member states and were targeting Pakistan.
The Pakistani officials also stressed the need to focus on socio-economic conditions in the potential countries as a root cause of terrorism.
De Vries assured that Pakistan’s concerns would be conveyed to the EU and its member countries.
Pakistan has been under increasing pressure from foreign governments to step up operations against Taliban, al-Qaeda and other militants in its tribal areas by Afghanistan.
Emphasizing the resources his government has committed to the task, President Pervez Musharraf this month said that fighting terrorism was a joint challenge and Pakistan would no longer be a scapegoat for international failings.
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....Looks like Pakistan wants someone else to clean its dirty laundry.....A job Pakistan is capable of doing by itself .... if it wanted to...
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at February 10, 2007 2:11 PM
“The EU needs to look within itself to counter discrimination, Islamophobia and xenophobia,”
Translation:
More capitulation to Islam is necessary. Please give another inch, so we Muslims can take another mile.
Posted by: awake at February 10, 2007 2:13 PM
If the EU is such a bad influence, Pakistan should consider prohibiting all travel to and from Europe.
Posted by: Jan Sobieski at February 10, 2007 2:17 PM
The Pakistani officials also stressed the need to focus on socio-economic conditions in the potential countries as a root cause of terrorism.
Of course!
That will be the terrible oppression forced on the British Muslim community who are regularly forced to claim state benefits and given free health care. How they must struggle to find a house in a MUSLIM area and a place to worship that suits them from plethora of Mosques across the land can only be described as outright Apartheid!
They would surely be better off in Pakistan?
at February 10, 2007 2:22 PM
"Looks like Pakistan wants someone else to clean its dirty laundry".....A job Pakistan is capable of doing by itself .... if it wanted to...
Posted by: exsgtbrown
EXactly. All of them whine (Iraq, all 'istans) "America is responsible". India VERY MUCH so, torn between its ahimsaic love for islam and animosity towards America, abysmal apathy towards Israel, detecting "enemy" in China. How long India imagines it can abdicate itself from its responsibilty? Incredible India, you bet !!
Posted by: Crows&Cows at February 10, 2007 2:29 PM
“Pakistan is a moderate and modern Muslim country and has a very important role to play in the world, especially at a time when there are so many misperceptions,” the EU official was quoted as saying in a statement released by the Pakistani Foreign Ministry."
Does a "moderate modern country" administer life imprisonment or death penalty for blasphemy? See this
Posted by: Khaybar Oasis at February 10, 2007 2:30 PM
The thief says to the rich man:
"I wish you would stop being a wealthy person so I don't have to rob you!"
The rapists says to his victim:
"I wish you would stop being alluring so that I don't have to rape you."
The murderer says to the victim:
"I wish that you would stop being alive so that I don't have to murder you."
These Muslothugs need to be dealt with RUTHLESSLY. Only then will they stop with all their vile threats against us. While we still have the ways and means to bring these global criminals to their knees, we must use them.
Ruthlessly.
Posted by: jsla at February 10, 2007 3:10 PM
jsla,
Such a hilariously nice post ! Yes ruthlessly.
Posted by: Crows&Cows at February 10, 2007 3:13 PM
“The EU needs to look within itself to counter discrimination, Islamophobia and xenophobia,”
Any true and factual look within, would mean banning Islam and deportation. Islam will never change, except for the worse.
Posted by: sounder at February 10, 2007 3:25 PM
When I think of the term "failed state," I think of Pakistan.
Posted by: Howard, Fine & Howard at February 10, 2007 3:36 PM
Pakistan’s GDP is $2,600. England’s is $31,400. The ‘growing phenomenon of radicalization’ is a predictable event that will not go away. In a Utopia, you could transplant a population from a land made impoverished and violent by the Qu’ran’s teachings into a modern information-based industrial democracy, and expect full assimilation. We’ve found out that we don’t live in this Utopia.
As the Muslims under-perform the native population, they being human beings, will look to Sharia Law for comfort. It boils down to identity politics. As their numbers grow relative to the native population, they will become more demanding and militant.
The EU officials welcome these talks because of the airline mileage programs. After enough conferences, they will be able to fly for free to their place in the Caribbean.
https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/pk.html
at February 10, 2007 3:48 PM
discrimination, Islamophobia and xenophobia
is more likely to be found in the pakistani descended immigrants than anywhere else.
I can cite several cases of white moslems finding it impossible to marry because no "pakistani" family wants their daughter to wed a white guy.
funny how i can only cite several cases of white moslems....
at February 10, 2007 6:10 PM
“The EU needs to look within itself to counter discrimination, Islamophobia and xenophobia,”
Apparently the EU hasn't sufficiently weakened Europe and Britain with the current load of BS multi-culti politically correct self depricating drivel shoved down their throats in the interest of welcoming their new identity in Eurabia.
Recall this classic music video . . . Pink Floyd's "Another Brick in the Wall" . . .the visuals are striking. Revising history, diminishing heritage and legacy all in the name of appeasing the other will eventually backfire explosively.
A note to Pakistan,
As for the USA - we ain't buyin it. Stuck Mojo has this message for ya - "Open Season" (remix)
Posted by: justamomof4 at February 10, 2007 6:52 PM
It's a little disturbing that everyone is spouting the same nonsense. Teenagers, university educated scholars, EU leaders, Pakistan's government...
There must be some sort of mind control device that's causing all this.
Posted by: Jesus Christ Supercop at February 10, 2007 8:29 PM
Well, we all know that the terrorism originated from the paki islamics in the 1st place - as they stole that portion of India. The pakis are still jabbing at the Indian borders.
Posted by: allat at February 10, 2007 8:43 PM
“Pakistan is a moderate and modern Muslim country and has a very important role to play in the world, especially at a time when there are so many misperceptions,” the EU official was quoted as saying in a statement released by the Pakistani Foreign Ministry."
Come on now give me a break here, this is where all the damn terrorists are coming from.
You just turn around the terrorist is almost always a Pakistani or he went for training in Pakistan. The list of terrorists coming out of Pakistan is one of the longest. Al-Qaeda trains there, the taliban train there ,there is Hizbul Mujahideen, the Jaish-e-Mohammed,the Lashkar-e-Jhangyi,The Lashkar-e-Toiba,The Sipah-e-Sahaba, and the Tehreek-e-Nafaz-e-Shariat-e-Mohammadi. Just to name a few of the Islamist training and operational groups in Pakistan.
Pakistan is the number one breeding ground for most terrorist in the world today and can pretty much be referred to as terrorist central.
The road to terror clearly runs through Pakistan. Despite Islamabad's claims to have played a crucial role in helping Britain uncover a plan to blow up airliners flying to the United States, Pakistan remains a breeding ground for terror and is the most likely the hiding place for Osama bin Laden. Terror groups operating out of Pakistan may already have taken over al-Qaeda's functions in a global terror network. Operating virtually unmolested under dozens of different identities, they are recruiting, radicalizing and training young militants for future attacks on Western targets. As details of a plot to blow up as many as 10 U.S.-bound airliners surface, it not only highlights Pakistan's role as an active partner in the war on terror, it underlines the fact that Pakistan remains a global centre for terrorism linked to al-Qaeda.Pakistan is a politically fragile and chaotic state that increasingly has become a magnet for religious fanatics and terrorists. .
Pakistan's military and intelligence services are also riddled with Islamic extremists who played major roles in establishing the Taliban in neighboring Afghanistan.
There are some 13,000 madrassas in Pakistan which frequently preach the glories of jihad and martyrdom in the name of Islam. Still, even as Pakistan co-operates in the war on terror, there is a growing chorus of complaints it isn't doing enough to suppress militant Islamist groups, which merely change their names to avoid periodic government crackdowns. Pakistan's tortured politics has created a political vacuum in which radical Islamist parties thrive. As a result, while the vast majority of Pakistanis are overwhelmingly secular, Pakistan is still fast becoming a stronghold for militant Islamic fundamentalists that are increasingly showing up in Countries like Spain in the past 3 years.
at February 10, 2007 9:52 PM
It seems pretty obvious that the only concern of the Pakistani officials here is in being labeled "takfir" by the radicals. Or in American terminology, what they are doing here is known as CYA - "cover your ass". They don't actually give a damn about "radicalization" except for how it affects their elites directly.
Posted by: Caroline at February 10, 2007 10:01 PM
Out of curiosity, I viewed the Pink Floyd video at YouTube as linked by justamomof4 above. When I went to replay it, I was directed to a screen that, at the very top, read "This video has been removed due to a terms of use violation."
Earlier today (or perhaps it was last evening), the exact sequence happened when I viewed another link to YouTube, from another JW/DW thread. This time, it was the link to "It's in the Quran." The video was pulled from YouTube as soon as I played it once.
This is too much of a coincidence. Does anyone know what is happening here technically? Is it possible that YouTube automatically pulls a video whenever the play request comes in from JW/DW?
Posted by: Stendec
at February 10, 2007 10:33 PM
Stendec, I noticed it too. Keep in mind that YouTube/Google aren't the only choice for video.
Here are a few more links for the Pink Floyd number:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voN9YAFXcEk&mode=related&search=
http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A86.OSP9gs5FgJQA4UYFP88F/SIG=1adenevmu/EXP=1171248253/**http%3a//video.yahoo.com/video/play%3fvid=cd5a71e7e48a023dd44588b3785351fe.fec5458d03092ecb35f586a9214681e0%26vdone=http%253A%252F%252Fvideo.yahoo.com%252Fvideo%252Ffavorites%253Fei%253DUTF-8%2526vid%253Dcd5a71e7e48a023dd44588b3785351fe.fec5458d03092ecb35f586a9214681e0%2526a%253Ds%2526_crumb%253D%26vback=favorites
http://grouper.com/video/MediaDetails.aspx?id=928195&ml=o%3d7%26fk%3danother%2520brick%2520in%2520the%2520wall%26fx%3d&
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xdf1a_pink-floyd-another-brick-in-the-wal
http://www.mojoflix.com/Embed/Pink-Floyd-Another-Brick-In-The-Wall.asx
It's in the Koran is found here:
http://www.patrickhenrysongs.com/
at February 10, 2007 11:01 PM
Justamomof4,
Thanks much.
I don't like to advance conspiracy theories, but I had to wonder here if JW/DW has somehow been blacklisted by YouTube.
at February 10, 2007 11:11 PM
A quick way to find out is to cite a You Tube vid a propos of nothing: this is the first vid that came up when I typed in 'Pashtun': note the suave and friendly comments.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL9S3N6hCNg
Posted by: wallyUK at February 11, 2007 12:26 AM
As I understand it, the root causes of Jihadist terrorism are Islamic immigration (imams, etc) and the koran. Ban both and you will get to fight the problem better.
Posted by: FreedomSeeker33 at February 11, 2007 12:42 AM
The government of Pakistan actually controls very little of that country - most areas outside the capital are efectively self-governing and respond only to military pressure from the centre. Very little civilian authority remains, especially in the more remote areas, and sharia law predominates even in the larger towns. Pakistan is most certainly not safe for Western civilised people to visit. Furthermore, there is a widespread culture of bribery for everything from owning a vehicle to taking a taxi to shopping for necessities. In effect, law and order, as the average civilised Western person would understand those terms, has long since ceased to have any meaning; indeed, such meanings probably ceased to be relevant shortly after 1947.
A couple of years ago I was privileged to be allowed to join a study team looking into the rock carvings (petroglyphs) and inscriptions along the Karakorum Highway - part of the old 'Silk Road' network - which are, or, rather, were, some of the most historically important artifacts in Pakistan. I had read, naturally, the opinions of Professors Jettmar and Hauptmann (Heidelberg University) and also Professor A.H. Dani (Quaid-i-Azam University Islamabad, Pakistan) a most civilised moslem of the 'old school' so to speak) and I looked forward to a very civilised and enjoyable two months pottering about amongst some very interesting carvings.
Well, I was never more mistaken in my life! The rock carvings are mainly, but not exclusively, in the area around the village of Chilas in the Diamir District and it cost the whole team almost two thousand pounds (three thousand US dollars) in bribes, and three weeks of time in Islamabad, to have our travel documents made good for the journey to Chilas. It cost us an additional one thousand five hundred pounds for the 'arrangement' of a military escort - an escort, incidentally, which was never provided; we were, instead, escorted, if that could be construed to be the correct word, by a group of what I can only describe as barbarian, gun-toting ruffians who had to be paid off in US dollars on a daily basis.
When we finally got to Chilas - a nightmare journey which took three days - we had the added financial burden of having to pay a 'tax' to each and every mosk in the area in order to be allowed to stay there (this eventually came to over one-and-a-half thousand pounds) and various moslem clerics routinely searched our baggage for what they called 'illegal works' and 'the devil's machines' and which we came to realise meant Christian writings and anything that looked like having a purpose more than that of a simple camera.
We had been told that there were some 45 sites on a stretch of the Indus of about 80 miles in length, and on both banks, with about 40,000 petroglyphs and 10,000 inscriptions in more than 15 writing systems and that the carvings were scraped, or chiseled in some cases, into the larger stones scattered about on the river banks and the lower flood banks of the river valley. Certainly there are at least that number of sites but at almost every site we visited systematic destruction of the carvings had obviously taken place.
At one site, a mere ten miles from Chilas, we witnessed for ourselves a group of locals, obviously under the directions of several clerics, systematically destroying the stones with large hammers, steel rods and sundry other tools. When we attempted to remonstrate with these people we were physically attacked and our interpreter - a young man from Islamabad - told us that our attackers were telling us that they were deliberately destroying the works of the ungodly that the British put there so that they could come back and claim the place as their own again!
No amount of reasoning and explanation seemed to get through to these people. Some three days later we did manage to convince one imam that these rocks were much older than the British colonial era and he turned to us and said, according to our translator, that if they (the rock inscriptions) were indeed as old as we claimed then they didn't matter and should be destroyed anyway for they obviously came from the mythical (his word) era before the coming of the prophet and so had no validity. He added that because we were interested in them then they all had to be destroyed to save his people from the evil ways which we infidels brought with us. All of this, you understand, from a man who was counted amongst the folk of that area to be educated and knowledgeable!
I'm not ashamed to admit that on the aeroplane home to London I wept - yes, really, I cried. Why? Because these damned barbarian moslems don't just want to rewrite the past, they want to destroy it also - they want to remove any evidence that anything is any different from that which they claim. They are doing it everywhere and all the time - robbing all of us of our past, cutting us off from our various identities, systematically destroying our sense of us. Even here, in civilised old Britain, I have encountered moslem youths who disrupt archaeological conferences, attempt to destroy archaeological sites, attack archaeologists and pervert knowledge in a desparate attempt to deny that the past ever contained anything other that islam.
And what do we do? Well, we give in as far as I can see. Some days it just all seems so hopeless.
Dominic.
at February 11, 2007 12:51 AM
wallyUK,
I tried my magic touch on the Pashtun and was unable to kill off that video. Apparently there is no conspiracy. (You're right about the "suave and friendly comments." Wow.)
Thanks.
at February 11, 2007 2:12 AM
" Operating virtually unmolested under dozens of different identities, they are recruiting, radicalizing and training young militants for future attacks on Western targets ".
Mackie , yess . Never forget India alias Khanistan also abets and aids craftily playing " we are the victims as America ( if gnashing one's teeth along with yawning is possible I am doing that now ) wants oillll booohooo.. will not share nuclear booohoooo...." there are a hell of a lot of jihadists , their lovers more than appeasers I would say , CRIMINALS and UNTOUCHABLES. Law ? There is no law or JUSTICE here. Who says sharia is only in Kashmir ??
As LIMES once observed at least one child molester was decreed to be dissolved in acid in tribal Pukistan . Have you heard of Tandoor Murder in great great India by a politician with NO PUNISHMENT ?
Posted by: Crows&Cows at February 11, 2007 2:45 AM
"There must be some sort of mind control device that's causing all this " :
Jesus Christ Supercop ,
I don't want to clog this bandwidth ( sorry I already am ) but I was once along with my sisters and brother ( we were very young and were told it was the "holiest ground" ) taken to one such "place" by a 'Hindu relative' within India. The MUSLIM brainwasher called GURU was ssso overclever he and all the cultists donned saffron robes with golden crescent in the forehead reading from all Saiva Siddhantham......and I leave it at that without detailing what we saw and went through.
By God's Grace we were returned back to our parents. But we shudder when we recall. It still exists. Same attire. Same cult.
Posted by: Crows&Cows at February 11, 2007 3:26 AM
Advice from Pakistan, a failed nation based on Islam and Islam alone.
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at February 11, 2007 5:17 AM
How many people are aware of Pakastani involvement in genocide i.e. the Bangladesh War of Independence 1971?
I wasn’t aware of this until a few years ago when I came across it in a book.
I had never read anything about it in a newspaper.
West Pakistan was determined to stop East Pakistan's bid for independence by any means necessary.
Yahya Khan, President of Pakistan said "Kill 3 million of them and the rest will eat out of our hands."
Is the genocide of 1971 ever discussed in Pakistan or in the Western Media.?
Well, not in Musharrf’s memoirs, where he discusses his “heroic” role in the 1971 war. He was stationed in West Pakistan. The fact that the Pakistan army massacred possibly up to 3 million civilian in 1971 does not get a mention.
I would love to see the EU produce a report on this.
Has an author like Salman Rushdie ever written about the 1971 genocide?
Has any Pakastani author or intellectual even taken a public stand on this?
I was going to say Pakistan must come to terms with it’s past before we can take seriously the idea that Pakistan is a civilised country.
In fact, Pakistan has a long way to go before it reaches the level of Turkey, itself not a civilised country.
at February 11, 2007 10:13 AM
a modern country doesnt allow over 1500 "honor killings" a year. Calling pakistan a modern country is like calling maury a decent talk show host
Posted by: feministagainstislam at February 11, 2007 4:02 PM
At the risk of sounding like an idiot, I think the paks have a point here.
It's Musharraf's job to stomp the nazis in his own country and one can reasonably criticize his performance in this matter. But don't believe that he is completely indifferent. They're trying to kill him too.
Nonetheless, there's little if anything he can do, even if he wanted to, to clean house in cowardly appeasing Europe and the UK.
It is the UK that created Londonstan, by letting the maniacs infest the streets of London. They don't even arrest or deport the people running obvious terrorist recruitment centers.
Musharraf is no angel. But what would you have him do?
I honestly think idiots like Ken Livingstone are much more dangerous to the English people than nearly anybody in the Paki gov't.
at February 11, 2007 4:10 PM
Dominic or necessitasnonhabetlegem:
Fascinating story about your archaelogical adventure in Pakistan. If you haven't already you should write a stry for the British Press on that unfortunately sad adventure.
Posted by: Mackie at February 11, 2007 7:38 PM
The fact that the Pakistan army massacred possibly up to 3 million civilian in 1971 does not get a mention.
Posted by: Odyessus at February 11, 2007 10:13 AM
.. not to mention rape of thousands, if not millions of Bangladeshi women, by Pakistani troops. Rapes, along with the massacars were the reasons that then Indian prime minister Late Mrs. Indira Gandhi ordered Indian troops into Bangladesh leading to the defeat of Pakistani forces and the liberation of Bangladesh, in 1971.
Posted by: Alert at February 12, 2007 3:05 AM
Mackie:
"Fascinating story about your archaelogical adventure in Pakistan"
If that "fascinates" you, why are you not EGREGIOUSLY APPALLED by what I have written??
I addressed my comment above to you .What happened to Emily Postian etiquette ? Selective amnesia or global amnesia ??
Presuming we are all the self anointed " movers and shakers " of the world , I wonder if you are not one of those " mindless utopians " ?
Without a shred of trepidation you ought to be able to reply HONESTLY as you do possess hi tech weapons that I am NOT intimidated by .
However , should you pound away some crap, do not flatter yourself thinking I would respond .
I very magnanimously give you weapons for FREE (freebies) to attack me :
I am a HINDU, Casteist , socially retrogade , yes, you can choose and contrive ANY weapon. Consult llong legged assalaamulaikumaalnaseemsss of the WORLD to arm you with mutiple edged and multiple pronged and multiple bayoneted RAPIERS .
at February 12, 2007 4:38 AM
" Rapes, along with the massacars were the reasons that then Indian prime minister Late Mrs. Indira Gandhi ordered Indian troops into Bangladesh leading to the defeat of Pakistani forces and the liberation of Bangladesh, in 1971 ".
comment posted above.
ROFL and guffawing out LOUDLY !!!
I WAS CORRECT. When I called Dawood Ibrahim " "honourable" . He never " got elected " as PM or PRESIDENT or XYZeee. He never claimed to be one too.
Ohmigawd , how I am thirsting for one more unwitting macabre chuckles producing "out of the box " lines from Musharraf. At least chatpata zing was there if not veracity .
Who cares for veracity anyway....
Posted by: Crows&Cows at February 12, 2007 5:04 AM
The massed tribesmen surged into Kashmir and could have reached the capital, Srinagar, with virtually no opposition; but they paused to sack the town of Baramulla and rape and kill the nuns in a convent there.
The Last of the Bengal Lancers: Ingall, Francis. page 124
Francis Ingall was one of the last of the pukka Sahibs, the small cadre of officers who help governed India for the British Raja. He was commissioned in an Indian cavalry regiment in 1930 and rose to command the regiment (mechanized) in Italy during WWII. After Partition he was selected to establish Pakistan’s military academy. Unfortunately he choose a location near the border with Kashmir.
When the Indian government airlifted troops into Kashmir and drove the jihadists tribesmen out they ransacked Pakistan’s fledgling military academy on their way home. Some of the academy’s Pakistani officers captured three of the tribesmen. They tortured one to death and were later exonerated by the Pakistani government.
Please note that the jihadists who raped the nuns in Kashmir 60 years ago came from the same tribal areas that form the main bastions for the Taliban today.
Pakistan has been a dysfunctional state since Partition. They have had the trappings of democracy, multiple parties and elections, but they have never escaped the call to jihad by Muslim clerics.
We must impress on the people of Pakistan that we will not suffer a jihadist regime to possess nuclear weapons. I pray God that we as a people have the will to make that an enduring impression.
at February 12, 2007 8:54 AM
Ho Ho Ho, ROFL GUFFAWING out EBULLIENTLY this time. This time I owe it to out of the box Musharraf who was substantially on spot when he spat out:
claims of mass gangraped ululating women are ahem....
As ZILLIONS of CONVERTED INDIAN CHRISTIAN of HYDRAHEADED denominations (
wrathofasmasss spare me your pining for "ancestral homeland tearjerkers....aaaallll, you get at the click of a mouse now. Don't overact. But you are one of those
aspartameycandyfloss I was NEVER conned though )
vestal virgin NUNS are demonically GANGGGGGGGGGraped by INDOOOOOOOOOUPPERCASTE MILITANTS......thisisnotindooism thisisnotindooism......
Posted by: Crows&Cows at February 12, 2007 9:18 AM
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