What if there are muslims in the German police force? Who do you trust then?

I used to go to an agnostic/atheist forum. A man by the name of Sahib said that he was an apostate from Islam, and that he lived in Pakistan and feared for his life.

Do you think that any of the atheists or agnostics cared about his predicament? No, not one. People were dismisive of him, and possitively hostile towards him.

He couldn't understand why no-one on an atheist site gave a damn about what he was going through. He was genuinly mystified.

Why? Because it was Islam that he was trying to get away from. If it had been christianity or any other religion, then they would have fallen over themselves to be supportive. But Islam? Nah. Can't be Islamophobic, can we?

Posted by: Voltaire at February 24, 2007 8:05 AM

I have yet to find one atheist/agnostic who does not respond to even the slightest criticism of islam with “Well, Christians have blah, blah, blah.” If one wants to find out if someone is an anti-Christian bigot, jut criticize islam and see what they have to say about it.
Sometimes they’ll bring up Eric Rudolph, McVeigh, or Hitler as examples of Christian terrorists/murderers, when in fact none of them were even Christians. Their critical thinking abilities on which they pride themselves are instantly defenestrated once they think they have a chance to bash Christians.
The bottom line is that many atheists’ first hate is Christianity and they are looking for a counterweight to it and they aren’t particular.
I just cannot wait to read what Robert has to say about this in his upcoming book.

Posted by: senatortombstone at February 24, 2007 11:13 AM

Voltaire
senatortombstone

Very true. Sam Harris, perhaps the moste astute atheist polemicists writing on the web, directs all his wrath at Christianity and Judaism, seemingly unaware of the differences between those two and Islam. It's as if he blames them for the "invention" and the evils perpetrated by religiosity on mankind, and as if it's up to them alone to undo religion--the rest will just follow suit.

Posted by: ovidius_naso at February 24, 2007 11:49 AM

There was a great editorial in Friday's Wall Street Journal by Nick Cohen, titled An Upside-Down World (unfortunately, it's not available on-line without a paid subscription, so one might have to actually buy the actual newspaper as we did in the previous century).

An excerpt from it:

"There were plenty of leftish people in the 20th century who excused communism, but they could at least say that communism was a left-wing idea. Now overwhelmingly and everywhere you find people who scream their heads off about the smallest sexist or racist remark, yet refuse to confront the ultra-reactionary movements [scil., Muslim movements] that explicitly reject every principle they profess to hold."

P.S.: I like Cohen's apparent coinage of "leftish".

Posted by: remote_control at February 24, 2007 2:59 PM

remote control, can you give me the date of that Nick Cohen article?

Posted by: Voltaire at February 24, 2007 4:53 PM

ovidius_naso,
I went to Sam Harris' blog and saw a commenter who calls himself a "radical muslim" and seemed to think he was in the company of comrades of like minds. He likes how the bloggers want to destroy Christianity, so he's one of 'em.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at February 24, 2007 5:11 PM

I think one explanation for the left's inexplicable love affair with islam is that islam demands total subordination of everyone to its will; it's the world's oldest and most successful totalitarian ideology with death toll at least twice that of communism.

islam, like the left, divides the world into two camps theirs and the "other." Theirs is the righteous and good camp and the other is irredeemably evil and worthless; and thus must be destroyed. The left views the world the same way and seeks total control. They just might get it through islam. True, there are some differences between their values, but ultimately they both crave power above all else; the power to make all wills submit to them.

Posted by: senatortombstone at February 24, 2007 8:26 PM

36 down and 800,000 to go. As the brainwashing wears off and the rational mind perceives the joy of free thought, I only hope that this acts as a magnet to the repressed humanity that suffer under Islam.

Posted by: Briars at February 24, 2007 10:43 PM

I haven't got a copy yet but I would urge everyone to go and buy Nick Cohens new book "what's left?"

http://www.nickcohen.net/?p=170

It's about the Left's love affair with islamist racists.

A book I nearly wrote myself.

Posted by: ovinesongs at February 25, 2007 8:41 AM

I have yet to find one atheist/agnostic who does not respond to even the slightest criticism of islam with “Well, Christians have blah, blah, blah.”

I am an agnostic. Islam is vicious, whereas Christianity contains much that is admirable.

Posted by: Null at February 25, 2007 9:35 AM

the threat of death is a mainstay of Ismam in keeping its members....Islam is the only religion in the world that threatens its members with death.....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at February 25, 2007 2:02 PM

The weakness of communism is that it commands subservience and promises to bring about a paradise on earth in return. So it is vulnerable because people see the paradise on earth is not forthcoming and start to question it.

The advantage of Islam is that it takes people back to 9th century Arab raider tribal culture and then brainwashes them into thinking that that is paradise on earth. And no one ever comes back to complain that he didn't get the 72 virgins.

Posted by: godfreyofbouillon at February 25, 2007 8:16 PM