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Minneapolis Sharia Cab Controversy Update by Patrick Condon for Associated Press, with thanks to JS:
BLOOMINGTON, Minn. - For Abdi Mohamed, it's not a question of whether he'll carry passengers with alcohol in his cab. The question is whether he'll get punished for refusing to do so."I am Muslim. I'm not going to carry alcohol," Mohamed, a driver for Bloomington Cab, told a Metropolitan Airports Commission panel that gathered public opinion Tuesday regarding proposed penalties for cabbies who refuse service to passengers carrying alcohol.
Dozens of cab drivers showed up for the hearing at a hotel near the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport. Commissioners are charged with setting a new policy by May, when airport licenses for cab drivers are set to expire. Under the proposal, drivers who refuse service for any reason would have their license suspended for 30 days. A second refusal would mean a two-year revocation of the license.
According to airport officials, about 80 percent of their cabdrivers are Somali, who are commonly Muslim. Islam religious law strictly forbids the carrying of alcohol.
Last year, airport officials said alcohol-bearing passengers were being refused service an average of 77 times a month, though that dropped drastically after new travel safety rules prohibited liquids in carry-on luggage.
In September, the commission proposed a compromise that would have let Muslim cabbies purchase and mount a different-colored light on their cab if they didn't want to pick up passengers carrying alcohol.
But that proposal triggered a huge backlash, from both passengers and other taxi drivers who feared it would make travelers avoid taxis altogether. Soon the airport commission went the other direction, proposing the stiff penalties for cabbies who refuse service to alcohol-toting passengers.
Douglas Bass, of St. Paul, came to the hearing to argue for what he believes is an important principle.
"I don't have a problem with people practicing their religion," Bass said, "I don't even have a problem with people who want everyone to believe what they believe. But I do have a problem when a majority is being forced to observe other religions and customs."
Much of the hearing was dedicated to concerns over whether Muslim cabbies would also refuse service to blind passengers with trained guide dogs, because of Muslim prohibitions against interacting with dogs.
Several blind people voiced their concerns, but cabbies at the hearing said such worries aren't warranted. Refusing service to blind passengers is against federal law.
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Abdifatah Abdi, who said he is counseling cabdrivers on legal issues related to the controversy, warned commissioners that instituting the penalty would set off a long legal battle.
"This is a religious freedom issue, and it will not end here," Abdi said. "It will go to the courts, even the Supreme Court. The drivers will not relinquish their rights to be protected under American law."
There are other American laws involved here. There were some people a few years back who sat down at lunch counters and at the front of buses to prevent this sort of thing.
Posted by Robert at February 28, 2007 7:53 AM
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"I don't have a problem with people practicing their religion," Bass said, "I don't even have a problem with people who want everyone to believe what they believe. But I do have a problem when a majority is being forced to observe other religions and customs."
The operative concept here is the majority being forced. Isn't that what Muslims do whenever they go into a host country with their air of superiority and there practiced-to-perfection victimhood? Indeed, that is the ONLY thing they have to offer, but who needs it? If everyday Americans are being discriminated against based on religious beliefs, there is one thing do regarding the Muslim cabbies: fire their asses.
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader
at February 28, 2007 8:22 AM
Time to terminate the Taxi cab contracts..not subject to renewal....time to look for a new cab company to service the airport....a cab service refusing to service cab seeking customers is of no value....
Posted by: exsgtbrown
at February 28, 2007 8:22 AM
Just get sloppy drunk at the airport lounge and wait to get in the cab before you puke...
Posted by: exsgtbrown
at February 28, 2007 9:43 AM
"In September, the commission proposed a compromise that would have let Muslim cabbies purchase and mount a different-colored light on their cab if they didn't want to pick up passengers carrying alcohol."
OTH - at least one would know which cabs to boycott all of the time.
Posted by: johnb
at February 28, 2007 10:04 AM
Since most people on domestic flights will not have gone to a duty-free, one hopes that a wine shop will be opened at the airport so arriving passengers can buy a little symbolic something to carry with them to the taxi stand.
Call it testing, testing.
Posted by: Hugh
at February 28, 2007 10:06 AM
Get the hell out of my city. I am sick of these arrogant Mohammadan bastards. Eventually all thourgh the west there will be much. much violence instigated by Muslims. Anathema and damnation on the churches and the rest of the scum that brought these people here. To the Lutherans and Catholic Charities I hate you for are doing to my city and country, I will never, ever give another dollar to any church chairty or the United Way.I hope your worthless churches go out of biddness. No money for traitors.
I am thinking of moving, Minnesota is run my Marxist, self-loathing Gracian degenerates. They'll cave because we live in mortal fear of considered racist or whatever. Islam, Muslims have no place in the West. Muslims are my enemies and the enemies of the rest of us Kafirs;that is the truth period! The end! To these people I am nothing but a kafir,a pig to be disrespected and taken advantage off. I am so sick of the deranged, dishonest discussions about Islam. Dammit could someone in power just tell the damn truth? Islam and the west are enemies, the end!!!!
Both Allah and the weak touchy feely God of modern liberal Christianity are disgusting. Humanity needs neither.
at February 28, 2007 10:17 AM
The proper thing to do, obvious to everyone but these clownish commissioners, is to jerk the licenses of those who refuse to abide by the provisions contained therein. However, since it is equally obvious that the commissioners lack the moral or intestinal fortitude to do ANYTHING about this situation, I like Hugh's suggestion. Just stand out there with a visible liquor bottle (it can even be a plastic fake one), so you can de-facto boycott the offenders.
BTW, too bad those Lutherans don't go back and read what Martin Luther had to say about mahomet and his fellow satanists.
Posted by: Infidel33
at February 28, 2007 10:51 AM
There is no right to impose your religion on other citizens.In America we have not just freedom of religion but freedom from religion too. If your conscience won't allow you to carry alcohol in your cab that's fine but if you want to discriminate then you need to find other employment.Jim Crow ended in America in the 1960s.I wrote to the commission telling them there should be zero tolerence for Sharia and that the stiffer penalties should be imposed on the Muslim cabbies.Let the cabbies sue,they'll be tied up in court for years before they lose.See how long their Muslim brothers stand by them financially.
Posted by: Roxane
at February 28, 2007 10:57 AM
Freedom to practice your religion means YOU make a decision that protects it. If being a taxi driver would expose you to practices that your religion forbids, THEN YOU FIND A DIFFERENT LINE OF WORK.
How ludicrous is this? It's beyond the pale.
How well I remember all those Baptist bartenders whining that they couldn't be true to their religion because their profession forced them to serve alcoholic beverage.
Posted by: Stand fast in the liberty
at February 28, 2007 11:00 AM
Muslimesota should tell these pious ones that either they comply with the law or else find another profession. Better yet, tell them to go back to the ummah if they want to drive a booze free cab. But, in the end these losers will be the winners because they have far too many enablers to make anything other than victory impossible. They SHALL overcome, much to the detriment of infidels in this state.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS
at February 28, 2007 11:03 AM
Why the hell don't they just FIRE THEM??? This is all about publicity and sympathy but while muslims are getting the publicity they sure as hell aren't getting the sympathy. It just shows them for the whiny babies they are, crying if they can't force their 7th century laws on us.
Posted by: kelisw
at February 28, 2007 11:18 AM
A very sad situation.
It is odd that this is an issue in only in Minneapolis. I guess Muslim cabbies in NYC just look the other way. If these Somali men have such scruples they need to find a different line of work.
I hope the airport commission takes the interests of the public at heart and not the prejudices of a bunch of ingrates.
Posted by: Jerry M
at February 28, 2007 11:22 AM
What happens if a blind person is toting alcohol?
Posted by: 3812Michelle
at February 28, 2007 11:28 AM
The cabbies said that refusing blind people service is against the law. Yes, it is. But, of course, they lied in their Muslim way. They have refused a number of blind persons with DOGS..that detail of their refusal to accept blind people falls into the category of their 'religious rights' which, of course, trumps any federal law because it involves Muslim law. If they get any concessions in Minnesota, look for Muslim cabbies in other large cities to make similar demands and more.
Posted by: maryrose
at February 28, 2007 11:58 AM
Fire them, and check on their immigration status. Chances are that a lot of them may be here on work visas, or as refugees. If the former, then they are illegal the moment they are out of work, and should be instantly deported. If they are refugees, news flash - Somalia now has its government restored, thanks to infidel Ethiopia, and is therefore officially habitable; there is no reason they can't go back. Send them back.
Posted by: Infidel Pride
at February 28, 2007 12:22 PM
It is obvious that these cab drivers would be better off in their homelands. The free world offers them nothing, except our "sinful" ways. We should offer them an incentive to return home.
Posted by: Carolyn2
at February 28, 2007 12:23 PM
Sharia law may not be imposed on our culture of religious tolerance. The Constitution’s First Amendment may not be used as a weapon against us, nor should it be used to impose Sharia anti-freedom back handed changes to our Constitution. Let it go to court, and may judgment put to test Muslim ambitions to change our Constitution into Sharia law, which is against the principles of freedom on which our nation is built. They will fail. Muslims restrictions on transporting alcohol may apply to Muslim passengers only, of their own free choice, and not the population at large.
Nowhere in our Constitution does it allow for a repressive religious dogma to replace our natural freedoms. If it is impossible for Muslims to obey the laws of our land, then they may exercise the greatest freedom our culture allows, that they leave. Muslims are not above the law, and they should earn their place in society by submission, something they are already preconditioned to do, to submit, to our laws of freedom. If Muslims cannot abide by our laws, they should feel themselves intolerant, unwelcome, severely restricted, and under no protection from our Constitution; rather, they should feel themselves in the wrong. Our freedoms are not to be compromised by an ideology of supremacist repression that would undermine our religious tolerance. They may not subvert our good intentions with their intolerant religious dogmas, without becoming branded a dangerous cult. The First Amendment does not protect any religiously intolerant, criminal cults. Sharia is not to be protected under the First Amendment, it never was, and it never will be. This is why we have a separation of ‘church and state’ in our Constitution, to give everyone equal protection under the law, not to give any one religion preference under the law.
Criminals should feel themselves subdued by the law, and not dictators of our laws. Muslims who cannot abide by our laws must leave of their own free choice, or risk being forcibly deported, as criminals.
Posted by: Battle_of_Tours
at February 28, 2007 12:26 PM
If they get away with this in Minnesota it will spread like wildfire. You will see this kind of behavior in every city where you have Muhammedan taxi drivers. That's why it is so important to stop them dead in the tracks...
Posted by: sheik yer'mami
at February 28, 2007 12:51 PM
Setup a cab complaint counter in the airport. Gather the cabbies information and file a complaint. Each time a cab driver refuses to carry a passenger carrying alcohol, with the subsequent filing of the complaint, the cabbie is fined, with incremental increases for each additional offense.
Reverse jizya. As Hugh points out all the time, we have a lot to make up.
OR
Develop cabs that run on alcohol. Voila, no more Muslim cabbies.
Posted by: awake
at February 28, 2007 1:17 PM
I am very surprised that this is rumbling on. I thought that the USA had a more robust approach to these sort of things in comparison to the usual limp wristed Europe approach . Surely they are breaking the statutes, law, etc. At the very least they are having a laugh at your expense.
80% of the taxi drivers at the airport are Somali. Why? Are they running a racket?. Sounds suspicious to me. Are they legal immigrants? Are they intimidating none Somali taxi drivers.
We, I live in the UK, have loads of problems with our Somali asylum seekers. As you are probably aware a number of Somalis, believers in the ROP, are being tried for the attempted murder of UK citizens by means of exploding devices on the transport system. Recently some were done for murdering a female police officer. We have Somali criminal gangs who are even despised by other criminal gangs.
Somali gangs are into drug dealing, armed robbery, gang rape and all sorts of other criminal behaviour. Many young and old are unemployed and receive social support from the state. They spend their days chewing Khat ( legal in the UK ), making little attempt to acquire skills in order to succeed in a modern secular society.
Why America lets them into the country with their primitive religious beliefs is beyond my understanding.
at February 28, 2007 1:20 PM
"It is odd that this is an issue in only in Minneapolis. I guess Muslim cabbies in NYC just look the other way."
I wonder what percentage of the cabbies in Minneapolis are Muslim. That could be the driving force. If they represent say 40-50% of the total number of cabbies in the area, they may be trying to force the issue. think beyond the present day and look to the next step of their plan. I see it this way. Well if you don't this then we will quit. will there be enough folks to take up the slack? Why not a sign clearly posted on the cab that says what religion they are? then if they are Muslim I can refuse to ride with them.
Posted by: pak152
at February 28, 2007 1:28 PM
awake wrote "Develop cabs that run on alcohol. Voila, no more Muslim cabbies."
gasoline already has 10% alcohol in it. how do the Muslims handle that?
guess we need to go to one of the Ask The Imam sites for ruling
Posted by: pak152
at February 28, 2007 1:39 PM
Today the Tazis tomorrow ze World!
Give them a grain of sand and they 'll take the whole friking desert.
Stand up for Western values now!!!
Posted by: raz
at February 28, 2007 1:46 PM
The article notes that refusal of service "dropped drastically after new travel safety rules prohibited liquids in carry-on luggage." Any way to increase the number of booze-bearing passengers to keep this pot boiling? Are 6 packs of beer available for purchase at the airport?
Posted by: MP
at February 28, 2007 1:47 PM
Someone commented
It is odd that this is an issue in only in Minneapolis. I guess Muslim cabbies in NYC just look the other way.
My theory is that the NYC drivers are from the Indian subcontinent!
Actually, here in the UK, I have known Asian Muslims who run "off-licence" shops selling booze.
I have been assured that sharia only forbids consuming alcohol for recreation.
Medicinal use of alcohol and other uses like perfumes are permitted. However, how does one explain this to the illiterate Somalis?
Posted by: Shahryar
at February 28, 2007 1:58 PM
Confiscate the Somali Muslims' property and use it to finance their deportation back to Somalia. Of course, their Muslim families will have to join their egress from the racist, Islamophobic U.S.
Posted by: US_infidel
at February 28, 2007 2:05 PM
JUST FIRE ALL OF THEM AND THEN DEPORT THEM!
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2
at February 28, 2007 2:05 PM
If these cab drivers are refusing to provide the service for which they were hired, regardless of whether it is for religious reasons, they should be fired, period. This is the equivalent of a Muslim being hired to work in a restaurant and refusing to serve anything with pork in it. If you can't do the job you're hired to do, find a new job.
Posted by: staff_of_magius
at February 28, 2007 2:09 PM
"how does one explain this to the illiterate Somalis?"
...well, it is similiar to talking to a brick wall....
at February 28, 2007 2:09 PM
How's this case going?
Friday, February 23, 2007
Pennsylvania Shari'a Watch
Muslims in West Philadelphia are seething over plans to relocate a liquor store closer to the University of Pennsylvania—because there’s also a mosque nearby: Potential move brings potential conflict.
But to Ahmed Rushdie, the news is nothing less than “insulting.”
Officials familiar with the negotiations say that there are talks to move the 41st and Market streets liquor store to 43rd and Walnut streets, a location close in proximity to a K-8 school and a community mosque.
The Masjid Al-Jamia Mosque is located at 4228 Walnut St., while the Penn-Alexander school is at 4209 Spruce St.
Rushdie, a professor in Penn’s Near Eastern Language and Civilizations Department and a board member of Masjid Al-Jamia, says the move raises serious issues for Muslims in the area - under Islamic law, it is illegal for Muslims to consume alcohol.
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2
at February 28, 2007 2:13 PM
"Islam religious law strictly forbids the carrying of alcohol."
I reread through my copy of the qur'an and all I can find is where it says a muslem can not consume alcohol. I can not find ANYTHING that forbids a muslim from transporting a person (non muslim or muslim) that is tranporting alcohol. Did I miss something?
at February 28, 2007 2:25 PM
"Rushdie, a professor in Penn’s Near Eastern Language and Civilizations Department and a board member of Masjid Al-Jamia, says the move raises serious issues for Muslims in the area - under Islamic law, it is illegal for Muslims to consume alcohol."
....well, the Muslims will have the option of not buying or consuming the alcohol....in the mean time stand away from the door...
at February 28, 2007 2:26 PM
Re: nkedoodl2
Yep, these Mussies do have a problem. The mere presence of a liquor store may lead them to drink. Whatever you do you must not lead them astray by providing alcohol outlets in their vicinity. It is our fault if some poor mentally challenged muslim moonbat is led astray.
Cover your women or they may get sexually assaulted. Uncovered meat, according to an Australian muslim cleric is just asking for it. What a pathetic bunch of barbarians.
at February 28, 2007 2:28 PM
"Islam religious law strictly forbids the carrying of alcohol."
..I can find is where it says a muslem can not consume alcohol"
I think there is only one reference to this in the whole of the Koran:
Sura 5 verse 90
"O you who believe! intoxicants and games of chance and (sacrificing to) stones set up and (dividing by) arrows are only an uncleanness, the Shaitan's work; shun it therefore that you may be successful."
I've also heard that the "stones (statues) set up" part is what was developed into a ban on pictorial representation. I've really no idea what "(dividing by) arrows" is all about.
at February 28, 2007 3:09 PM
now it's alcohol, tomorrow is not carrying a dog for blinds.
We all know where it ends. Act now
http://truthaboutislam.s4.bizhat.com
Posted by: FedUpagain
at February 28, 2007 3:10 PM
Tommorow it should be all those cabbies get their liscence revoked.
Posted by: NicephorusPhocas
at February 28, 2007 4:22 PM
Today it is alcohol. Tommorrow it is "women" you have to be veiled to get in my cab. I suppose no dogs is a prelude to no dogs or Jews. We must respect their religion.
Boycott these cabs permanently! Let these cab riders offer camel service from the airport!
Posted by: David England
at February 28, 2007 5:40 PM
All this shows a profound lack of respect these cab drivers show for our society. When other religions have objections to our way of life, the adherents abstain themselves from the activity that they abhor. Hindus are not burning down McDonald's restaurants. Hindus just do not eat the meat! Most religions do not make everyone change their habits to accommodate them. Islam will never compromise. This is one of many tests that will take place whenever Moslems reach a crtical mass. No Moslem would try this in a city until they reach critical mass and then your life, liberty or property are not safe.
at February 28, 2007 5:49 PM
"This is a religious freedom issue, and it will not end here," Abdi said. "It will go to the courts, even the Supreme Court. The drivers will not relinquish their rights to be protected under American law."
G K Chesterton writes of the attributes of the barbarian in his essay on "The Appetite for Tyranny". Chief among them is that the barbarian does not recognise the concept of reciprocity. In effect, he does not recognise the "other" as human as well.
Caroline had this to say on the above
I recalled the emphasis on "reciprocity" from a post somewhere here but couldn't recall specifically what it was. Now I will recall it in the future. It's rather a refreshing change from the constant discussion of "tolerance", which leads to all sorts of mental confusion about whether one who opposes intolerance somehow becomes "intolerant". Absurd, of course, but it seems that many people have some difficulty getting their heads around that mind-bender. Putting the issue in terms of "reciprocity" may be easier for people to grasp. If I offer something to you and you reciprocate - terrific. We have a basis for mutual relations. If I offer something to you and you refuse to reciprocate - then we have no basis for a mutual relationship and I shall see no problem in denying to you what you refuse to reciprocate. And there you have it. How we should treat Islam from an ethical pov. Islam is the only religion which refuses reciprocity. Therefore, all the rest of us religions shall have reciprocity amongst eachother while denying to Islam that which it demands unilaterally.
And another characteristic of the barbarian
Do what he will, he cannot get outside the idea that he, because he is he and not you, is free to break the law; and also to appeal to the law.
There you have it. The hallmarks of Muslims and barbarians.
Posted by: DP111
at February 28, 2007 6:43 PM
Somewhat ironic. This Indian Muslim guy at my work owns a liquor store (though he doesn't drink).
Posted by: non-redneck
at February 28, 2007 7:57 PM
Hey, Lets get real here! Those Cabby's are human underneath their low and savage religion - YOU FORGET THAT THEY WILL BE KILLED BY THEIR "BROTHERS" IF THEY AGREE TO CARRY ALCOHOL -but they will, as soon as they can be sure their children throats will not be cut. Sad!
Posted by: heck
at February 28, 2007 9:06 PM
They hate hate hate alcohol and love love love qat. Damned manipulative hypocrites - qat, heroin, opium, hashish, marijuana .. all fine .. alcohol = infidel drink (nevertheless, AA, although hidden, is quite well attended in Saudi Arabia).
"Where English people go to the pub and have a drink, we chew qat," said Ibrahim Hassan, who works with Arab and African refugees in the northern industrial city of Sheffield, home to a high number -- around 9,000 -- of Yemenis .."
http://www.poppies.org/news/99518076720681.shtml
Lots of Somalians are qat addicts too .. only they call it khat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khat
Posted by: Daisytoo
at February 28, 2007 9:37 PM
Khat for Somalians:
[edit]Somalia
On November 17, 2006 the usage and distribution of khat was made illegal according to Somali Islamists in areas they control.[13] In Somalia, the Supreme Islamic Courts Council, which took control of much of the country in 2006, banned khat during Ramadan, sparking street protests in Kismayo. In November 2006, Kenya banned all flights to Somalia, citing security concerns, prompting protests by Kenyan khat growers. The Kenyan MP from Ntonyiri, Meru District stated that local land had been specialized in khat cultivation, that 20 tons worth US$800,000 were shipped to Somalia daily and that a flight ban could devastate the local economy.[14] With the surprise victory of the Provisional Government backed by Ethiopian forces in the end of December 2006, khat has returned to the streets of Mogadishu, though Kenyian traders have noted demand has not yet returned to pre-ban levels.[15]
Islam does not mean peace .. nor does it mean drug-free. They stampede for drugs just like they stampede for everything else.
Posted by: Daisytoo
at February 28, 2007 9:46 PM
When are the muslims not angry? It is to the point that I can not stand anything islam. I vote to fire all of them and deport them as well. They contribute nothing but strife to our country.
Posted by: Truth
at March 1, 2007 12:21 AM
I thought the Mexicans were here to do jobs people in America wouldn't... This should be a no brainer.. Send them paking!!!
Posted by: lonewolf
at March 1, 2007 1:07 AM
I have mentioned "reciprocity" here before. It was, however, in a less philosophical, more pragmatic manner - "We will treat you the same way you treat us."
Some examples:
Since the Muslim world bans the construction of new churches - a moratorium on mosque construction in the U.S.
Declare the area around the Vatican a "holy area" and ban all Muslims from coming within 50 kilometers of the Vatican.
In Saudi Arabia (and the rest of the Gulf countries - I think), the employer keeps the passports of foreign workers. Do the same.
Property - I am pretty certain that foreigners cannot own property in Saudi Arabia.
Ban Saudi women from driving in the U.S.
Based on some experience in the Middle East, the possibilities are endless. Unfortunately, the idea of "reciprocity" is unworkable.
Posted by: jay
at March 1, 2007 1:40 AM
Reciprocity sounds good.
Muslim heads look good on totem poles.
One more dead muslim is one less muslim who can decide to rape jewish women or blow himsef up in an airport.
Let's see what the Kuran has to say about this. I think my copy is next to the toilet. Or perhaps it is in the toilet.
Posted by: bonncaruso
at March 1, 2007 8:44 AM
"I thought the Mexicans were here to do jobs people in America wouldn't... This should be a no brainer.. Send them paking!!!
Posted by: lonewolf at March 1, 2007 01:07 AM "
Mexicans make better taxi cab drivers, they are friendly, talkative, work harder, honor their families, and they like tequila....
I will go with a Mexican cabbie any time...If if they aren't quite legal....They are better people..
at March 1, 2007 9:05 AM
fire them so they can work shoveling snow at 30 below..
Posted by: Madduck
at March 1, 2007 11:02 AM
Why should the cabbie be forced to violate his conscience in order to make a living? Let him put some type of special light or no alcohol sticker on his cab and then the customer with alcohol can just flag down a different cab.
Why all the hate? No one is forcing the customer to get into a cab with a driver that he doesn't trust. Why force the driver to take a customer he finds repulsive?
at March 1, 2007 2:11 PM
The Bible does also say being drunk is not a great example of behaviour to have around especially holy situations. But it does not say a glass of wine is bad for the soul and against God. In fact it actually says it’s good for you and can help with stomach problems like a medicine. I read this in the Bible but forgot which passage it was.
So as you know today red wine is officially a drink that helps the heart and is good with most meals to help bring a healthy balance, the Alcohol is good at combating bugs when used in moderation and the pigment of grape skins helps the heart. So was Jesus a sinner in making water into wine according to Islamic rules and the Biblical Jesus corrupted by drinking wine? Or did Jesus know that it had good properties in moderation as even too much salt is bad for you but your body still needs it. He did say the wine is his Blood and yes in a way funnily enough it’s good for the blood.
He did not come to earth to tell mankind about molecules but only how to save the soul which go even beyond quantum physics and he would not influence history for the sake of giving man material knowledge he was spiritual instead and used physics beyond mans understanding to cure people and replicate matter. Maybe if he did not die or was rejected he could have stayed around longer and showed us.
at March 1, 2007 2:14 PM
St. Paul told Timothy to drink a little wine for his stomach's sake. They had few medicines back then and apparently Timothy was having stomach problems.
Jesus was asked by his mother, Mary, to help at a wedding where the host had not planned properly for the wedding feast. As a favor to his mother he created more "wine" for the feast.
St. Paul says drunkards and fornicators shall not inherit the kingdom of heaven.
Maybe you can drink just a little each day. But your neighbor who drinks with you may be unable to control his drinking.
Alcohol, like cocaine and heroin, will continue to destroy lives until the end of time. There are many alternate beverages in our society today that don't cause pain and heartache to ourselves and our families.
at March 1, 2007 2:38 PM
"I am Muslim. I'm not going to carry alcohol."
-- Mohamed, Muslim cab driver
You are not special, Mohamed, despite what you may have heard to the contrary.
Here's the solution. Get a job which doesn't occasionally require you to carry alcohol.
In a sane society this would not be an issue. If you can't do the job, resign and get another job. If you can't get another job, continue with the current job, swallowing whatever it is you don't like, until you get another job.
If neither of those options are acceptable to you, go away.
Just. Like. Everybody. Else.
at March 1, 2007 3:10 PM
"Maybe you can drink just a little each day. But your neighbor who drinks with you may be unable to control his drinking."
Then my neighbour has to learn to control his drinking. Me, I don't drink so much, but I like a nip now & again.
Best of luck to my neighbour, but he's responsible for himself.
Just. Like. Everybody. Else.
Posted by: Darrell
at March 1, 2007 3:13 PM
Posted by: dduehning [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 1, 2007 02:11 PM
Why should the cabbie be forced to violate his conscience in order to make a living? Let him put some type of special light or no alcohol sticker on his cab and then the customer with alcohol can just flag down a different cab.
Why all the hate? No one is forcing the customer to get into a cab with a driver that he doesn't trust. Why force the driver to take a customer he finds repulsive?
Answer:
We treat all people equally in the USA. No discrimination based on religion. The Muslims want to change that. They want to discriminate against infidels. As they gain population they become more and more militant, just like the Fiend Mohammad. Yielding to the Wahabbi taxi drivers will be the beginning of our Civil War #2.
These kind of egregious violations of our American value system will be battled in court. The Muslims will lose. But they will be angry. We know how Muslims behave when they get angry or someone insults their false prophet or their degenerate desert creed.
WAKE UP AMERICA!
NEVER SURRENDER! NEVER SUBMIT!
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STILL DON'T GET IT?
AMERICA, ISLAM IS YOUR ENEMY!
at March 1, 2007 3:29 PM
Carolyn2: "We should offer them an incentive to return home."
Why haven't you gone into detail:
a financial incentive such as x amount in dollars:
virgin blow-up dolls of both sexes and varying stages of maturity:
an international driver's license in many languages covering many different aliases:
copies of the quran, etc with a commentary by Robert or Hugh:
Or simply mass deportation flights in our largest transport planes:
And when do we want then: NOW
Posted by: meekee
at March 1, 2007 5:21 PM
"Why haven't you gone into detail:
a financial incentive such as x amount in dollars:
virgin blow-up dolls of both sexes and varying stages of maturity:"
Meekee,
Instead, how about a goat for each man and a swift kick off the back of a moving C-141. Don't worry about the women; they're not entitled to anything anyway.
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader
at March 1, 2007 10:43 PM
Anything can be bad if over indulged.
Water can kill you if you drink too much.
Too much salt can too.
Too much of one medicine can kill you and many suicide attempts have been used via good medicine.
Morphine can be addictive some people are.
Like food that is high on fat verses food that is healthy you have to balance it as it's your choice or you learn from your mistakes and be intelligent about it.
Alcohol is not the sin it's gluttony the rules to stop drinking is a social rule of control.
These are examples of how Alcohol is not so bad to the point of it being sinful. When you ban something to this degree what does it say about the system of politics, I knew priests drink wine at church services to represent Jesus at the last supper? Even household items have Alcohol in them for fighting germs so are they going here to the point of Jehovah Witnesses who refuse blood transfusions for the sake of abandoning the greater good?
at March 2, 2007 1:19 PM
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