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This is the problem, isn't it? That nice smiling "Paul Hall" who then takes the name "Hassan Abujihaad" (or is the other way round? And does it really matter what name he goes under, or is it the underlying beliefs that matter?) may smile, and smile, and even sign up, a stout patriot, for the armed services -- but for his fellow Americans, if they are Infidels, there is only murder in his heart. And we have no good way of telling who, among those Muslims allowed to arrive on these shores, shares that hatred, or who, while not actively participating in violent Jihad, will support it with money, with political maneuvering, with civil agitation, or with sowing propaganda to swell the ranks of other Muslims. Those other Muslims, meanwhile, are also conducting Jihad using the various instruments that are available -- and mere presence, and procreation, constitutes use of the instrument of demographic conquest. Some are merely Muslim-for-identification-purposes-only Muslims, shunning entirely the central tenets of Islam that require the world be viewed as divided between Believers and Infidels, and a permanent state of war between the Dar al-Islam and Dar al-Harb must exist until the latter succumbs entirely, but there is no way to tell which ones these are.
"Paul Hall" or "Hassan Abujihaad" or one grading into the other, or one using the life experience of the first to protect the other? Nice "Mike" Hawash, Little League father and Intel engineer with a $360,000 annual salary, co-author of a book on computers, or Maher Hawash, buying his ticket, inspired as he was by the 9/11/2001 attacks, that he hoped would take him to Afghanistan where he would take the side of Al Qaeda and kill his fellow, but Infidel, Americans?
Why should we take a chance? We know, from all of the evidence, that a very great number of Muslims in the West become not less but more radical. We know that a very great number of Muslims everywhere, including the West, support Al Qaeda, or Hamas, or Hizballah, or Lashkar-e-Toiba, or Gemaa Islamiyya, or the Ikhwan al-Muslimun, or a thousand other groups (their separate names hardly matter).
Why do we continue to admit them into our countries? Why do Infidels believe they have some kind of duty to make their own lives, and those of their children and grandchildren, far more unpleasant, far more expensive, far more physically dangerous, than they would otherwise be, without a large-scale Muslim presence? Can't they look and see, at least in this country, at Holland and France, at Great Britain and Germany? Can't we learn from the horrible immigration mistakes of others? No? Just not possible?
From a posting I put up on February 2, 2007, one will see in the last sentence of the second paragraph mention of "other stories, less-publicized, of a Muslim sailor, on a ship in the Persian Gulf, through an intercepted communication offering to reveal secrets about the ship to make it more vulnerable."
Quaere: is this Abujihaad ("Father of Jihad") that sailor, or is there yet another Muslim sailor out there?
Here is that post (lightly edited for clarity):
Several points:
1. The fact that some Muslims say it is all right to "join the army" should not be a source of Infidel satisfaction, but worry. "Joining the army" in order to find out about how the enemy (that is, the Infidels whose Infidel army it is) operates, or to learn certain skills that be applied against Infidels, or even to commit acts of sabotage and betrayal while in the army, might be the motivation.
We have every evidence of this, from the American Muslim soldier who threw a grenade into a tent of sleeping American soldiers, killing two to the Marine who slipped away, apparently to Lebanon (but who knows exactly what he was doing, or what information he gave out, or secrets he betrayed?), was caught, in America gave a press conference in which he declared his complete innocence, ending "Semper Fi" (quite a performance it was, like so many Muslim performances), just before somehow eluding capture and making it out of the country, presumably back to Dar al-Islam. And still the American government has been unable to locate him or bring him back, or perhaps isn't really trying. There are other stories, less-publicized, of a Muslim sailor, on a ship in the Persian Gulf, through an intercepted communication offering to reveal secrets about the ship to make it more vulnerable.
Then there is the evidence of a lack of patriotism of an identifiable group that, one would think, under all the circumstances, would be moving heaven and earth to prove itself patriotic, yet has done nothing of the kind. A few years ago, while happening to be at Fort Jackson, South Carolina, I visited its military museum. On the desk at the entrance there are bound volumes of World-War-Two era copies of "Stars and Stripes." I opened one volume at random and read all about the unit we all know about --the 442nd Regiment, the one in which Senator Inouye served, during World War II, and about its exploits. The contrast struck me then, and has struck me since: where are the Muslims clamoring in the United States, in Western Europe, to prove themselves? If, despite the constant efforts to recruit, the British government can only come up with 330 Muslims out of 180,000 people in the armed forces, that is, approximately 1/500th of the force, while Muslims make up 1/30th of the population, then this tells us something.
But it shouldn't surprise us. Islam teaches that loyalty is owed only to Islam and to fellow Believers. The danger is twofold, for Infidels. One is the absence of any feeling of loyalty to the Infidel nation-state, and a belief that the land on which Muslims live by right, by Allah's divine right, belongs in the end to them. The Infidels are merely temporarily in charge, sojourners who have no permanent right to any part of the world. The world belongs to Allah and therefore to the best of people. The refusal on the part of our leaders to take Muslim ideology seriously, the refusal to study it in depth and to accept the most transparent and flimsy of apologetic versions, whether offered by Muslims or by the non-Muslim apologists who are all about us, is doing us active harm. The Muslim apologists are full-time practitioners of every kind of evasion and lies and half-lies and half-truths, of taqiyya and tu-quoque, and we can see examples of this every day, on talk shows and in the press all over the Infidel lands. It takes a while, it takes experience and practice, to detect and then to be able to see through, and then to be able to piercingly reveal and at the same time answer, such a fog and pettifog of nonsense and semi-nonsense.
Why is there so much of it? Many reasons. Some do it out of some blend of leftist hatred of The System, of the West, of the White West, of Amerika, of Kapitalism, and find that Islam is now the vehicle of choice to express resentment. Some, like Karen Armstrong, resentful of Christianity and suffering long-term mental desarroi and of course terminal stupidity, find the fantasy of Islam -- she hasn't a clue about the reality of Islam -- soothing. Many are apologists out of cupidity: so many are on the Arab take. So many academics are supported directly or indirectly by Arab money for their "centers" and their "chairs," and so many want to ensure that they do nothing to antagonize their Muslim colleagues, who are eternally vigilant in monitoring their work, and can cause them all kinds of trouble. And others are ignorant, willfully or lazily ignorant, and do not want to think for themselves. They do not want to connect the dots of observable Muslim behavior by abandoning their false model, their Ptolemaic model of a "few extremists" for the true, Copernican theory that can not only explain all the data, in Bangladesh, Sudan, Nigeria, Thailand, and also Paris, London, Amsterdam, and Beslan, but also has predictive value. It could and did predict, for example, what would happen, necessarily, in Iraq, and what will happen, necessarily, in Iraq if the Americans withdraw (hint: it won't be good for the Camp of Islam, and will give America that "victory" about which Bush and Cheney prate without ever understanding, or recognizing, in what such a true "victory" for the West would consist -- nor do any of their critics).
Muslims and Western Armed Forces: what a paradox. What do we want? We know Muslims are taught not to offer any loyalty to the legal and political institutions of the Infidel nation-state. Don't expect it. Don't squander resources trying to make Muslims forget, or never know, what Islam is all about, because it will not work. They will find out. The Infidel states -- England, France (Sarkozy is disastrously intent on "affirmative action" for Muslims in the organs of the state --he is not nearly well-versed enough in Islam, even if he appears, by optical illusion, to be sufficiently comprehending of the matter, and appropriately sober in his supposed "hard line" that is not nearly hard enough) -- have to give up pious hopes for "integration" that rely on a shared game of Let's Pretend: Let's Pretend that Islam does not inculcate what Islam inculcates. Let's Pretend that Islam is not Islam.
The numbers of Muslims in the British Armed Forces are telling. They tell us what, if we knew about Islam, would come as no surprise.
But what if the British government manages to increase the number of Muslims in the army, and the police, say five-fold or ten-fold or twenty-fold? Would that be good? Would that be considered a "success"? Not if one understood Islam. Not if one understood the reasons why people were joining up at this point -- not out of a sudden loyalty (the time for that was five, four, three, two years ago) but out of something which those with long experience of the problem (J. B. Kelly, for example, to me just a week ago) have worried about: the slow and steady infiltration into the army, security services, and police, all over Europe, of Muslims intent on what, by their Total System, they should be intent on.
Worry, every which way.
Posted by Hugh at March 11, 2007 8:40 AM
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Some don't want to take that chance either. This makes perfect sense, unless you are a suicideal multiculturalist...
http://www.news.com.au/sundayheraldsun/story/0,,21361680-5005961,00.html
Posted by: savitch
at March 11, 2007 8:56 AM
Photo of Paul Hall from Michael Savage website. Hall would be a homegrown black Muslim http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/Hassan_Abujihaad.jpg
Savage could be wrong. His site is only place I've seen a photo of this "father of Jihad"
Posted by: dennisw
at March 11, 2007 9:42 AM
Some don't want to take that chance either. This makes perfect sense, unless you are a suicideal multiculturalist...
Posted by: savitch at March 11, 2007 08:56 AM
Take a close look.. who wants to take that chance? Only those who are immune to the consequences i.e. politicians. Who is selling Americans to the blood-thirsty and barbaric wahhabis? American president/commander-in-chief: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/04/27/eveningnews/main691413.shtml
Who is inviting criminals across the border? Another seasoned politician: http://www.ytedk.com/index.htm
Who sold our children to Islam? Another disgraced president: http://www.blessedcause.org/proof/Clinton%20Embracing%20Islam%20selling%20out%20children.htm
Take a close look. Americans are sold out by their corrupt and timid elected traitors.
Posted by: Alert
at March 11, 2007 11:59 AM
It is no surprise muslims become more "radical' as "we" adopt a position of appeasement and virtual endorsement of the apologist fraudulent image of Islam in the face of the ongoing evangelic jihad .
Why shouldn't they be buoyed by the successful efforts of the mujahideen and the positive press they get.
Islam can not be a threat,
Islam is never the enemy,
Islam can never be the problem .
at March 11, 2007 12:19 PM
Heck said: "Spencer better look out for him . . . ."
Pregunta - ? WHO should Spencer look out for?
Posted by: Malinois
at March 11, 2007 3:23 PM
Under the "Ayaan Hirsi Ali" thread, at 2:03 p.m. "heck" has the identical posting, minus the first, identifying word -- "D'Souza." That is the answer to the pregunta (or if you mind your p's, then stick with your "q" for "question." Satisfying word, isn't it: "pregunta."
Posted by: Hugh
at March 11, 2007 4:35 PM
Gracias. Anticipo mi premio de la prosa que brilla para contestar correctamente su pregunta en NER.
Posted by: Malinois
at March 11, 2007 4:53 PM
Okay, sweetie. Answer time is coming up.
Posted by: Hugh
at March 11, 2007 4:54 PM
If anti-Jihad Muslims don't stand up and start turning in the jihadists, and the infidels can't tell the difference between good Muslims and bad Muslims, the baby will be thrown out with the bath water. All Muslims will be rounded up and deported, the just with the unjust, the goo with the evil. If we can't determine, who is whom, they're all going. The West will end up with no Muslims. If the jihadis continue the war from Dar al Salaam, the West will go in and clear them out. That's human nature and that's what is at stake for Muslims in the West.
Posted by: Jabba the Tutt
at March 11, 2007 7:14 PM
Did you see the prediction that within 15 years half of the Russian army will be muslim?
That is a scary thought.
Posted by: Borg
at March 11, 2007 9:43 PM
"Did you see the prediction that within 15 years half of the Russian army will be muslim?
That is a scary thought.
Posted by: Borg "
THe real scary thought is that the Russian Army has nuclear weapons....Muslims with Nukes...is indeed a scary thought.....
Posted by: exsgtbrown
at March 12, 2007 8:22 AM
From Jabba the Tutt above:
"All Muslims will be rounded up and deported, the just with the unjust, the goo with the evil."
I realize this a typo, but it does evoke a certain mental picture .... "the Goo with the Evil."
Seems fitting.
Nomoors
Posted by: Nomoors
at March 12, 2007 6:59 PM
The title of this thread is "Why should we take a chance?"
That's a very interesting question that could inspire hours of debate.
But since it fundamentally appears to be a moral question, I think in pondering the answer to that questions, we should all ask ourselves:
What Would Muhammad Do?
What Would Muhammad Do?
You know - Muhammad. That putatively perfect man that all of mankind (I believe that would be us as well) should emulate as the perfect moral example for every human beings' actions. Which means that when we are pondering what to do from our own perspective, and seeking Muhammad's example as guidance, we need to ask ourselves, if Muhammad were us (that's what it means to be an example) - what would he do? How would he deal with this threat to the survival of his tribe, which from our perspective now means OUR tribe?
What would Muhammad do? Because therein lies the ethical solution to the question you raise. And the neat thing about such a solution is that Muslims themselves ought to find themselves in perfect agreement, from an ethical perspective, with the moral solution that Muhammad would come up with, were he in the same situation that we are today, as Muhammad is supposed to be the perfect human being whose example in terms of making moral decisions, is the one we ALL ought to look to. So - what would Muhammad do if he were us trying to figure out how to protect and save ourselves?
Posted by: Caroline
at March 12, 2007 8:41 PM
Hugh, why do you put such menacing thoughts in the minds of people? "Pretend" is the operative word.
I post this again:
The problem is that our leaders do not recognize the possibility of there existing a group of people who would be a mortal threat to our countries. This is perplexing, because how they gotten into such a mindset, or how they became leaders with such a mindset, is not clear. For some reason, our leaders are willing to have enmity with the leaders of other countries, but not with the citizens of those countries. Why? Can’t we citizens be hated? Are our leaders the only ones who can be hated? If we, the citizens, can be hated by the citizens of other countries, then don’t we deserve our leaders’ representation? Our leaders’ guidance? Protection? Support?
Why are our leaders blinded to those who hate our way of life? To those who hate that we have? To those who hate how we act? To those who hate how we look? To those who hate us to be better? To those who hate that we are kind? To those who hate what we give? To those who hate that we are strong? To those who hate that we are hard working? To those who hate our entertainment? To those who hate our spirit? To those who hate us?
Tell them! Tell them! Tell them to stop disregarding the nature of their citizens. Tell them to stop equating their citizens with the citizens of any other country. Tell them you don’t want your country’s culture replaced with another country’s culture, but continue your own.
at March 13, 2007 1:16 AM
And this:
I have emphasized many times that there is a group of people coming to live among us who are inherently non-citizens; although, they may be citizens by label. This group is eternally hostile to the citizens. The FBI’s goal of forever supervising this group is flawed in many senses:
1. Supervision will not change the nature of the group.
2. Places where the group exists might go unnoticed.
3. Places (e.g., local government, local FBI offices, and state positions) where the group dominates administration will receive protection by the administration from the FBI.
4. Supervision will decrease as the group grows.
5. ***Imbalance of rights (granted by residency/government/constitution and more rights taken from an anti-citizen status) in favour of the group over the FBI gives the group an advantage over the FBI. (Simply put, the group has more rights than the FBI, so the FBI is doomed in this fight.)
at March 13, 2007 1:22 AM
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