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While not a mainstream Islamic practice, "marriage to the Qur'an" is clearly the product of a society where women are the property of men, and where the nature of that relationship, as defined by the Qur'an, is enshrined as the divinely determined order of things, and thus highly resistant to change. "Prominent families in Sindh and marriage to the Holy Quran," from PPI:
KARACHI: Seven years ago, Zubaida Ali witnessed a bizarre ceremony in her ancestral village in Sindh where her cousin Fareeba was married to the Holy Quran.
“It was extremely odd and, of course, very tragic. Fareeba, who is a very pretty girl and was then around 25 years old, was dressed as a typical bride, with red, sequined clothes, jewellery and mehndi patterns on her hands and feet but over all this she was draped in an enveloping dark chaddor. There was music and lots of guests but no groom,’’ Zubaida, 33, was quoted as saying by IRIN, the UN information unit in a report.
The tradition under which Fareeba was `wed’ is known as `Haq Bakshish’, which literally translates into giving up the right to marry. Families use Haq Bakshish to prevent property leaving the family when a girl weds someone who is not a relative.
Fareeba, who can now never wed a man, spends most of her time studying the Holy Quran or stitching. She is a `Hafiza’, or one who knows the Holy Quran by heart.
The Haq Bakshish tradition, most common in Sindh, but also followed in parts of the Punjab, is most often practiced by feudal families, often `Syeds’. Syed families are often reluctant to allow women to marry into non-Syed families, in a kind of a caste system that sees such families as being lower in status.
Syed families are those who claim to be descendents of Muhammad through the marriage of his daughter, Fatima, and Ali ibn Abi Talib, the fourth of the "rightly guided" caliphs to Sunnis, and the first Imam to Shi'ites.
Moreover, in cases when no match deemed suitable exists within the family for a young woman of marriageable age, rather than have property leave the family when a woman weds outside it and takes her share of the property with her, it may be decided to preserve it by marrying her to the Holy Quran.
But the practice, frowned upon by almost all religious scholars and much of mainstream Islam, is generally practiced in secret. It has been reported that even the families of prominent political leaders from Sindh have engaged in the custom, but this is usually denied by the persons concerned.
“It is not at all Islamic and in fact violates religion. We are moving to ban this cruel practice,’’ Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain, the president of the ruling Pakistan Muslim League, said. Hussain has recently introduced a bill in the 342-member National Assembly under which such marriages, as well as other forms of enforced marriage, would be banned.
The bill is currently being studied by a parliamentary committee and is likely to be debated in the National Assembly over the coming few weeks.
For similar reasons, the marriage of women to trees, or sometimes to small boys or old men, has also been reported as a means to protect property. Many of these practices, however, remain shrouded in secrecy within families and it is difficult to determine precise details or the exact numbers.
But writers and researchers on cultural practices in Sindh believe that such marriages are not uncommon. The tradition, which is thought to have existed for centuries, ained greater prominence after a novel, `The Holy Woman’, based on the practice was published nearly six years ago. Written by Pakistan-based British writer Qasira Shahraz, the novel narrates the story of a young woman married in this fashion.
Despite this and other campaigns, many of Pakistan’s 160 million inhabitants remain unaware that such traditions even exist at all. “I did not believe this happened here. I had heard in my village that some women devoted their lives to religion, but I did not know it was forced upon them in this manner,’’ said Zubaida Ali, who like most other women and many men, fiercely opposes the practice.
Many provisions of the repressive Hudood ordinances, a set of Islamic laws brought in under former President General Zia ul-Haq in 1979 under which many women were jailed as punishment for alleged adultery or other `moral’ crimes, were finally changed late last year. But even in Pakistan’s current climate of change, it remains to be seen how successful the struggle to end traditions such as Haq Bakshish will prove.
Posted by Marisol at March 14, 2007 12:00 AM
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When I first read the phrase "marriage of women to trees" I had assumed that I was reading JW/DW commentary instead of the actual article. I had to do a tripple-take to make sure I read it right.
This is both tragic, and the funniest thing I have read in the past couple of days.
You know your society is royally screwed up when family members encourage someone in the family to marry a non-human spouse. The sad thing is, this is a rational option for a father who truely loves his daughter and doesn't want her to be abused by her husband.
I wonder if the woman can re-marry if the tree dies?
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at March 14, 2007 12:28 AM
To be fair, does this have some parallel in Catholic nuns' marriage to Christ? (or however that is accurately conceptualized theologically?) Of course, there would be a difference in voluntarily choosing such a thing rather than being forced into it ( setting aside altogether the issue of being married to trees).
Posted by: Caroline at March 14, 2007 12:35 AM
This story reminds me of a Bengali language film,'Sati'(1989), by the female Hindu director, Aparna Sen.
"The movie is the story of a mute girl uma(shabana azmi).Uma is an orphan who was bought up by her uncle. The mute uma also has problems in her horoscope.Who ever marries her will die for sure.Her uncle's own daughter is ready for marriage but uma being the eldest the problem of younger marrying before elder arises. So the men folk and the local priest decide to marry her to a tree, with the idea that her younger sister can get married without any issues.A human being married to a tree and the complications that arise out of it is the movie."
I assume this kind of thing must be an old Hindu custom, preceding Islam.
see:
http://parallelcinema.blogspot.com/2006/01/sati-1989-bengali.html
at March 14, 2007 1:08 AM
Caroline--
I can think of a few, aside from the very central one you mentioned about entering into Catholic religious orders being a voluntary, personal decision.
I never heard the religious sisters I've known talking of being "married" to Jesus in a sense analogous to "marrying" the Qur'an; I think that's more of a popular misconception (for one example, it came up in "Sister Act"). The order of sisters that ran my childhood schools wear silver rings on their left ring fingers, but the symbolism involved commitment to the vocation, and of the vow of chastity, rather than gaining some sort of "wife" status in relation to Jesus.
The Catholic Church does call itself the "Bride of Christ"; however, even that is very figurative and symbolic (describing an ideal of love and devotion with an analogy that can be more or less universally understood), and the scope of that membership is obviously well beyond women's religious orders.
Another difference, partly connected to the voluntary nature of the decision, is that one enters into a religious order for purely religious reasons, rather than considerations about property inheritance or maintaining bloodlines. (Indeed, there is no "syed" analogue in mainstream Christianity, Dan Brown notwithstanding.)
Posted by: MarisolJW at March 14, 2007 1:14 AM
The Doges of Venice on Ascension Day would sail out, with other high officials, spiritual and temporal, on Bucintoro, and throw a ring into the Adriatic, and thereby symbolically marry the sea.
Michelle Pfeiffer as Angela di Marco was memorably married to the mob -- or was it her husband, Tony, who was married to the mob? I can't remember.
Since the girl is a devout Muslim, the Qur'an in question needn't worry overmuch about his new wife ever looking at another book. No, the book that she marries will have to be --and in Dar al-Islam it always is -- the only book for her. No hanky-panky with a Gideon Bible in a motel room.
With a husband like that, she's unlikely to get out very much. Most evenings she will probably have to be satisfied by curling up with a good book. The One and Only Book.
Posted by: Hugh at March 14, 2007 1:23 AM
Given the brutal lives that most women live in those villages, the abuse of husbands, frequent childbearing and all of its demands, maybe the life of reading, sewing, and generally being left alone might not be such a bad life, considering the alternatives. The article stated that women from wealthy families were also wed to the Koran. In those cases, the bride of the Koran could probably afford to indulge some more interesting past times, shopping on the internet, watching Bollywood movies on the television, without enduring an abusive husband. Maybe Naseem from Jihadwatch is such a bride. She would have lots of time to surf the internet and not have to worry about what to fix her husband for dinner...
Posted by: maryrose at March 14, 2007 1:56 AM
Bizarre - that's the first word that came into my mind!
But with islam I suppose one should be aware that many things are bizarre by now.
at March 14, 2007 2:03 AM
Better to be married to the Koran, than a muslim man.
Posted by: Voltaire at March 14, 2007 2:21 AM
Better to be married to the Koran, than a muslim man.
Posted by: Voltaire at March 14, 2007 2:21 AM
Assalamau Laikum maryrose (the sunken ship),
You say "Maybe Naseem from Jihadwatch is such a bride".
Sorry to be crude but "Bollox"....My Anwer was a living breathing man...a through gentleman to boot...we shared 25 years of blissful marriage ...and I have 2 childrens to prove it.
Both are well educated and my son now runs the family business (with me in control behind the scenes ofcourse).
The fact that I lost him sometime after as a result of the awful earth quake here complicates my life for finding someone else (not that I want to ...yet,... but there is this dishy boots maker in town who seems quite nice....I have taken many pairs to be repaired...the question is ...how does one approach him...without appearing to be fresh...and whether he is Ahmadi).
Incidentially ...most of the syeds in the muslim population are in India...with very few left in Pak.
I know of womens here in Lahore nearing 50 years of age...and not married because their Abu will only marry into syed...and he can't find any. He is unwilling to let his daughters to get wed into a non-islamic country like India.
In the end his younger daughter wanted to marry (shock horror) a schhol teacher who was not a Syed. It took a TV show ...and copious amounts persuasion from the presenter...for the Abu to "let go" of his daughter out of the Syed clan.
After letting her go, He cried copiously at the Syed clan being depleted.
at March 14, 2007 5:37 AM
To Naseem: (the Merry Widow) I think that the boot maker in town is on to you. He has sized you up, so to speak, and that is why he keeps singing that old Sinatra favorite, "These boots are made for walking.." He needs your business but he has his eye on his neighbor's 11 year old daughter. Isn't that how it works in your Muslim country?
Posted by: maryrose at March 14, 2007 5:57 AM
'Families use Haq Bakshish to prevent property leaving the family when a girl weds someone who is not a relative."
...SO, IF YOU DO marry a relative, isn't that incest...
...look at what 1400 years of incest has produced...mindless zombies roaming the earth believing death is best....
....generally when a man marries a woman, he adds his property with hers and therefore increases the family wealth...except in Islam of course, where everyone has grown up guarding all that is theirs and sharing none of it...I see this type of Muslim self-importance every day...
you do not want these people in your neighborhood.Ban Muslim Immigration now..
Posted by: exsgtbrown at March 14, 2007 6:20 AM
Assalamau LAikum exsgtbrown,
I think that West is hardly in a position to dictate Islam in the matter.
You too have all sorts of dodges, pre-nups to protect your property and interests.
You peoples marry for "Love"....and yet 2 out of every 3 marriages fail....what happened to the love there, not to mention the hurt to the childrens.
In fact I would say that your state of affairs in this regard is directly responsible for your falling birthrate.
Wild slutty womens don't want the responsibility of protecting your nationhood...they only want a good lay.
Your nation will fall not as a result of Islam coming good...but the abnoxious, self centered, greedy attitude of your womens want to be "serviced" without the responsibility of motherhood.
You are in NO position to blame Islam in this regard....you will see I am right....watch your nation fall in front of your eyes over the years...and then LEARN to blame your womens.
Posted by: Naseem at March 14, 2007 6:41 AM
This is OT, and I apologize for that, but it struck me and I've noplace else to say it!
Discovery Science had a lil marathon yesterday evening all about the Universe and our place in it. Everything was presented: the SOHO observatory, NASA trips to various planets, Voyager I & II, the Hubble telescope, and various large land telescopes across the world run by Americans, Italians, Norweigens, Spaniards, Germans, even the French.
Everyone, that is, except - you guessed it - any muslim country.
And of alllll the astronomers interviewed who contributed to the hours of education in this field, guess how many were muslim?
You guessed it -- NONE.
What struck me was how much the civilized world has contributed to the life we live -- We have satelites in space to warn us when huge sun storms will hit earth, and that provide us with GPS; the genius of NASA over the years that has given us countless inventions they have learned to help with space flight, including the Space Shuttle; astronomers, even amateur ones, who track thousands of asteroids to keep earth safe, etc. All these things that benefit every single person on our planet. And what have 1/5th of earth's population contributed to this? Exactly nothing. Not one shred of modern astronomy that benefits us in so many ways has come from muslims. Yet there they are, enjoying the fruits of our labor. Just like in so many other endeavors - the internet, computers, hell even ELECTRICITY, vaccinations and modern medicine, pharmaceuticals, pretty much everything modern you can think of that has enhanced our lives today - and muslims have contributed exactly SQUAT to all these things.
Just recently here or at LGF, someone produced a list of Nobel award winners, and out of thousands of recipients, something like 3-5 of them were muslim. Even though they contribute nearly 1/5th of the population on the planet. And there were many, many Jews on that list -- and what a speck of dust the Jewish population of earth is!
muslims are truly the bane of our existance. There is absolutely nothing good - nothing except for the number 'zero', which I actually believe the Chinese 'discovered' instead of a muslim, but that's an argument for another day - that muslims have contributed to society. NOTHING. And in fact, not only have they and do they contribute exactly nothing, but they are hellbent on destroying all that we, the civilized and productive world, have worked so hard to create.
What an embarrassment to be a muslim. Their only claim to fame is terror, suicide bombings, stonings, female genital mutilations, forced and marriages, child marriages, fathers giving daughters away to settle bets and end fights between families, and the worst oppression of women dictated by their religion that the world has ever seen.
Oh yeah... they DID invent -- the burqa.
Sorry to be so off topic, folks. This has been stuck in my craw all night long, and I just had to let it out.
Posted by: JenBee at March 14, 2007 7:03 AM
And another thing!
It seems almost half of the astronomers I saw at NASA, etc, last night were WOMEN.
Yes, women.
And that, too, struck me... because how freaking SAD is it that 1/5th of the world's population oppresses and stifles women to such a degree as muslims? Women have so much to offer the world if only they were allowed to shrug off the burqa/veil/etc, leave the house without a male relative escort, and get an education.
There is no 'civiliation' that can hope to be civilized while they brutally oppress half of their population the way muslims do.
islam, and muslims, are a bane to civilation and a scourge on the earth. They are a cancer that we, the civilized men and women of the planet, must live with while it eats us alive and kills us slowly from the inside.
It is way past time to cut out the cancer.
Posted by: JenBee at March 14, 2007 7:10 AM
To Naseem (the Merry Widow with Rose Colored Glasses) Whether my nation falls or not, as least it has a place to fall FROM....your country and culture, due in large part to the dominant religion in your nation, has no place to fall...it is already one of the worst hell-holes on earth. I admit that there are a large number of divorces in the West...however, most married and unmarried women in your country endure a continual cycle of abuse, first by their fathers and then by their husbands. How many divorces would your country have, if women could freely divorce without fear of further abuse, abandonment and the ever-increasing "honor killings?" For that matter, how many practicing Muslims would you have in your country, if the penalty for leaving Islam was not death?? My guess is that, without the fear of torture and death, you would have one of the highest divorce rates in the world and a very high percentage of people who count themselves as having "no religion at all." Your drug problem, as in many Muslim countries, is large and not acknowledged. Child slave labor is pervasive in your country. That problem has been well documented. You may very well have several child "servants" in your own home whom you use and abuse on a regular basis. Child sexual abuse is also rampant in your wonderful Islamic country...only you don't call it by that name...when a 50 year old man (like your boot maker) buys a 10 year old girl, goes thru a ceremony presided over by one of your imans and then takes the child home to rape her...your culture calls it "Muslim marriage." With all of its flaws, I'll take my country over your country any day, Naseem. And, since you love your country so much, you make sure that you stay there, OK...and tell all of your friends and relatives to do the same....
Posted by: maryrose at March 14, 2007 7:25 AM
Assalamau Laikum Maryrose (sunken ship in need of glasses).
I am somewhat disappointed with your reply. it shows a lack of misunderstanding that I am aghast.
You talk as if every woman in Islam wants out, that every man is a child rapist and that every man has had sex with an 11 year old.
Your disguisting mental picture has been build up over years of reading JW ...which only deals with problems that have been thrown up...period.
In this respect JW is biased ...one (including you) has to recognise that this is why Robert and Hugh have put it up there. JW is damaging to Islam...yes it is...but it only deals with problems ...nothing else...recognise that.
Any one who says these things don't go on is one who has daylight between the ears....ofcourse they go on and I am not in denial of this.
However to suggest that they are rampant and form the majority of my society is WRONG.....it is just simply NOT THE TRUTH. I am telling you this because I form part of that society, The majority of muslims even in Pak are decent hard working individuals trying to life a life within a decent moral framework. Now that framework maynot be the same as yours...but it does not have to be.
You have to learn fast that the glasses you are wearing have been coloured by the writings here....ofcourse you can deny this...that's your choice....but is it just?...are you being slightly fooled?...are you stupid?...that ofcourse too is your choice too.
Posted by: Naseem at March 14, 2007 7:53 AM
"You too have all sorts of dodges, pre-nups to protect your property and interests"
...it is true American women can get Pre nuptial agreements if they desire. ...
American women do have rights and are free to choose the man they marry, American women can obtain an education, American women can choose to rear several children or choose to have none...American women can choose a profession to make money...American women can buy property and they have an equal voice in the decisons made in the family....they can choose to divorce if they want to...they can get child support and alimony payments....
...In fact they can do many things that cannot be enjoyed by Muslim women....
Posted by: exsgtbrown at March 14, 2007 7:56 AM
Ad Nauseum:
Your trollishness and dingbattery serve as very compelling evidence that the dictates of Islam are injurious to the intellectual development of its followers and to the physical safety of those who don't follow it.
Funny how, as reputedly a mother of two yourself (if you are indeed a woman) who reputedly lives in a nation where the birthrate is likely much higher, you can condemn other women for the falling birth rate in the west as though this is a matter strictly in the hands of women and not men?
Posted by: waterdragon52 at March 14, 2007 8:59 AM
"JW is damaging to Islam...yes it is...but it only deals with problems ...nothing else...recognise that."
...JW is damaging to Islam only in that it reveals the truth about Islam....One of the problems with Islam is that Islam is not correcting the Islamic problems the truths reveal...In Fact, most Islamic clerics refuse to discuss correcting the injustices inflicted by Islam....
...Islam is becoming more transparent every day...and Muslims hate the truth....
at March 14, 2007 9:08 AM
Another form of triblism.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at March 14, 2007 9:54 AM
To Naseem: (The Merry Widow With Many Pairs of Boots) My world is much wider than the internet world of JW. Unlike you, my friend, I live in an open, multi-cultural society. I have had many discussions with Muslims, both men and women, and I know a number of Christians who were raised in the apartheid country of Pakistan. You live in a society where your religious minorities live in the corners and shadows; you would rather step on these unfortunate people than engage/discuss with them as they are infidels in your eyes. Again, I know enough about Islam to tell you...you and your friends and relatives stay in your country...and I will gladly stay in mine.
Posted by: maryrose at March 14, 2007 10:10 AM
Assalamau Laikum Maryrose (sunken ship with broken lenses),
You say "you and your friends and relatives stay in your country...and I will gladly stay in mine".
I personally and abiding with your request and have no wish to come to the Amerike (except for holiday to spend my hard earned rupees in your country).
Note however that Allah's flat earth policy recognises no borders...these are only made by the infedel for his convenience....just like he keeps cats, black dogs and pigs for his convenience.
in Islam there is no concept of "my country or your country" ...the earth and all in it belong to Allah SWT....so I think your request will fall on deaf muslim ears...so happy integrating.
at March 14, 2007 10:53 AM
This article brings up several questions.
1. Can only women marry the Quran or can a man marry the Quran? Is the Quran male?
2. If only women can marry the Quran is the Quran limited by its own injuction to have only four wives or can a girl become just a concubine to the Quran.
3. If men can marry the Quran as well... does that make the Quran bisexual?
4. If a woman is married to the Quran, can she use its hard cover to give herself sexual pleasure or would that violate Pakistan's law against desecrating the Quran?
5. If a woman is married to the Quran, should she be jealous if she sees another woman reading her Quran?
6. If a woman is married to the Quran and later meets a more apropriate (i.e. human) potential husband, will it be adultery or bigamy for her to marry him? After all, in Islam, women can't initiate divorce, how likely is it for the Quran to divorce her?
7. If the Quran she marries is destroyed in a fire, is she a widow?
8. If she marries the Quran but later finds a prettier edition of the Quran, is it adultery?
This could go on and on.
Posted by: Provoslavni at March 14, 2007 11:07 AM
wallyUK,
aparna sen and satyajit ray are those quintessentially overcrafty pseudo sickulars ( add deepa mehta etctec) who malign pristine Hindu Culture and Ethos with their " savvily art movies". As that sells. satyajit ray could sling leftist mud on Brhamins with his sadgati. Did he have the gumption to ever show islam or muslim invasion and slaughter?
he got his comeuppence from his wife who smothered him with huge clods of mud slinging (after his death. In his deathbed too was pathetically clinging onto Oscar statuette. Who knows how many leftists pulled all apprpriate communist strings to wangle that!!) by revealing a hell of lot of facts about him.
Posted by: Crows&Cows at March 14, 2007 11:09 AM
JSobieski,
Recently miss world cum bollykollywood icon aishwarya rai " married a tree " with the blessings of big bachhans etc. Trust many of those "hindu pundits" floundering in the dark to come out with such absurd counsel.
What is alarming , the tree (Plantain or whatever) is hacked down. and she then marries the bloke.
Posted by: Crows&Cows at March 14, 2007 11:15 AM
JSobieski,
Most hindus shudder at the mention of Saturn, Mars and Rahu . Some who dread ' Rahu Kaalam ' ,before undertaking travel keep their luggage in their neighbour's house and start from there. Assured that they have hoodwinked Rahu (Nodal Planet):-) That is one more absurdity.
Posted by: Crows&Cows at March 14, 2007 11:22 AM
Why is being married to a Koran considered bizarre? NOTHING is too bizarre when it comes to that bunch, starting with the fact that a highly imperfect thug is considered Mr. Perfect and should be imitated in all ways. If THAT isn't bizarre then I don't know what is.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at March 14, 2007 11:26 AM
was the tree a hardwood?
Posted by: exsgtbrown at March 14, 2007 11:57 AM
Provoslavni, from your blasphemous (FATWA! JIHAD! JIHAD!), not to mention naughty, comment,
1. Can only women marry the Quran or can a man marry the Quran? Is the Quran male?
I think it is. If "Quran" were a Hebrew word, it'd be masculine. Arabic being a related language, it ought to be the same.
While, on the other hand, the Torah is female. It's Jewish men who marry her. But even though polygamy is long illicit in Judaism, they're expected to have a flesh-and-blood wife as well.
I think the Christian Gospel (Evangelion) is neuter.
Posted by: ZionistYoungster at March 14, 2007 12:35 PM
Thanks ZionistYoungster,
I don't know if Greek nouns like Evangelion have gender or not. The Aramaic/Arabic equivalent is "Bishara" and that is a common name for Christian (and some Muslim) males.
Incidently... Perhaps this young woman can sue for divorce in the US on the grounds that her Quran husband's dishonesty, faithlessness, violence, abuse, and clear signs of mental defect.
Posted by: Provoslavni at March 14, 2007 12:46 PM
THe lady should place the Qur'an in a plastic bage to practice safe sex...
Posted by: exsgtbrown at March 14, 2007 3:13 PM
Wait a second !!! marriage to the Koran, ok, that's one thing -- but married to a TREE??? I have never, ever heard of such a thing...as I laugh...now that truly is ludicrous. It's like some dark fantasy, horror tale...ah, only Islam could dream up such absurdities...
Wonder what happens if said tree is female? would they both have to be stoned or flung off a cliff?
Posted by: J.S. at March 14, 2007 3:53 PM
"In the end his younger daughter wanted to marry (shock horror) a schhol teacher "
note how the retarded widow formerly married with a child molester cannot even spell school properly.
what is now a degree on the black market for underachievers like nasperm and her family?
About slutty women in the west. of course you only dream of it, since your husband is under the ground...
Are you so wrecked that nobody wants you at 40?
Posted by: FedUpagain at March 14, 2007 4:11 PM
oooh, and not every muslim is a child rapist?
of course, pedophilia is allowed in islam, so it's no crime
Posted by: FedUpagain at March 14, 2007 4:13 PM
Yeah, ok, here we go...
Fine -- I can accept that "The Divine Presence" (Shekhinah) could be female. Ditto, I think there's a Bach Cantata -- Wachet Auf -- Lutheran about marriage between J.C. (sung in bass) and the soul (sung in soprano) -- that's Cantata 140...beautiful duet going on there...but, it's a metaphor...ditto for Shekhinah, female personification of wisdom, creation of universe, and "marriage" etc.
But -- marriage with a TREE??!! eewww. Now that's paganism -- that's Celtic Druid -- or that's ISLAM?? as I laugh...
Off topic.
CNN did a quiz re: "religion" and discovered the ignorance of ordinary Americans...such things as "Who was Joan of Arc" (she's the patron saint of France who was burnt at the stake, etc.), answer by far too many, "Joan of Arc was the wife of Noah" -- yeah, hilarious... or "who received the 10 Commandments?" Answer: Was it Noah or was that Abraham??
I was going to post a comment on an earlier thread about the nature of Freedom, the Founding Fathers of the U.S., etc., and the source for their inspiration. (It was, I believe to be found in EXODUS -- not, the Greeks, not the Romans, not the Pagans, etc. but Exodus -- the greatest treatise ever written on the Nature of Freedom).
i believe there should be a requirement of all high schools in North America -- required reading -- the first 5 books of the Bible..."as literature" no preaching, just reading it as "literature."
Posted by: J.S. at March 14, 2007 5:09 PM
I know of womens here in Lahore nearing 50 years of age...and not married because their Abu will only marry into syed...and he can't find any. He is unwilling to let his daughters to get wed into a non-islamic country like India.Naseem,
Sorry I'm late to this, but there's a simple solution for this for Pakistan and its precious syeds. Take all Syeds from India into Pakistan, so that going forward, there are (hopefully) no such issues. In fact, while you are at it, take all of India's 130m Mohammedans, and we'll throw in some Dhimmi 'hindus' from the Congress/Communists/other pseculars, so that you can even have some fun converting them to Ahmadiya, Sunni, Shia or Sufi - take your pick (hey, they already throw their own iftar parties, so who'd notice the difference?) You could start with the Gandhi clan, and go from there.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at March 14, 2007 5:58 PM
Another thing, Naseem. We Hindus keep getting hectored as to how unlike us, Muslims have no 'caste' system. What about this? Have you heard of Syeds in Arabia or other places having these sort of restrictions that are (unofficially) there in the land of the Pak?
Posted by: Infidel Pride at March 14, 2007 6:01 PM
And note to Dinesh D'Souza: instead of Gay marriages, aren't marriages to trees or Qurans preferable?
(Apologies for my multiple postings)
Posted by: Infidel Pride at March 14, 2007 6:03 PM
Infidel Pride,
Thorougly enjoyed and agree with all your comments. Also boot out muslim mollycoddlers from BJP ( hadvani, hajpayee etctec ). Remember with voteocracy firmly in place bjp would only perpetuate " dollops of continuity" .
at March 15, 2007 1:36 AM
JenBee,
Your OT ( good one ) makes me post the following as the link does not work:
" The US is a superpower because it has allowed talents from across the world to immigrate and, in turn, serve that country, says Asheesh Shah
Acknowledging talent and promoting merit is considered vital to the growth of any organisation. People who have been faithful to this simple law have been able to bring success to themselves as well as the organisation they work for.
People who misuse and encourage personal favours tend to damage not only their own interest, but also kill the aspirations of budding talent which could make all the difference to them. Of course, at times, one has to count on someone for success.
Americans were the first to utilise this wisdom in their country which led to their success. In order to boost talent, they allowed people from across the world to immigrate and allowed them a decent life, while that country benefited intellectually. Thus, one could see ISRAELIS, Chinese, Indians, along with many other people from across the globe contributing to American research institutions.
Italians brought world class design templates with them, while Germans brought workmanship. The French brought their excellent culture and fashion, while the British contributed with their discipline and professionalism. The Japanese taught Americans to learn how small can be less expensive and yet beautiful.
With multi-ethnicity and honed skills, the US became the unchallenged superpower that it is today. The capitalist ideology of the country allowed a hassle-free work culture. This American approach is now clear and many in that country are trying hard to woo skilled workers from the developing nations.
Yet, one finds that when it comes to boost talent, many people are not able to overcome personal biases and preferences, which deter development and growth.
Many European countries are finding it hard to implement this as a policy for various reasons. Most European countries still hold their culture close to their hearts and are rather unwilling to allow ethnic diversity.
The other major, and rather important, reason is that most European countries are still struggling to keep pace with global development and are sticking to GDP growths of less than four per cent each. It is like a vicious circle that can be cut only by moving gradually in the right direction.......
The Indian work culture centres on personal relationship with the boss and counts merit as secondary. The Tatas and the Birlas, the Congress and the BJP, the IITs and the IIMs, they all work on this common prejudiced combination, and we refuse to go out from genome sequence.
at March 15, 2007 1:46 AM
"Families use Haq Bakshish to prevent property leaving the family when a girl weds someone who is not a relative."
All knowledge, learning and science of value are Islamic in origin.
Hence the important genetic contributions of these scholars to the genome project by uncovering the links among Jews, pigs and apes. This phylogenic coup is worthy of the Muslim mind.
An explanation for the superiority of that mind surfaces.
Apparently keeping the genes in the family, together with the property, is the key.
This way no pollution from outside the pool is possible.
The lesson is obvious.
I pray that all of you are blessed with attractive relatives and may your offspring aspire to the exalted state of the Muslim mind.
Posted by: emet-veritas at March 15, 2007 8:36 AM
Naseem your own prophet committed the most vile crimes of all: pedophilia, murder, and rape. you don't have a leg to stand on to pass judgment on western women when you worship someone like that.
Posted by: kelisw at March 15, 2007 11:01 AM
kelisw,
IGNORE this assalamunaseem. Runs with the hare and hunts with the hound.
Sometime back cooed smarmy sweet nothings:
" Amerike and British Soldiers are doing a good job".
Also wrote they ( thisisnotislamists) would learn all that is to be learnt from Jews and then ( sic)" kill (sic) them".
All this from thisisnotislam moderate sect!
at March 15, 2007 12:41 PM
exsgtbrown:
" was the tree a hardwood "?
Hard or soft, ultra pretentiously "religious"
Indoos would hack any tree or plant as long as the aishwaryas get married to blokes. Do indians value anything other than cricket and movies?
at March 17, 2007 4:28 PM
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