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"Many in the town believe that Mumtaz deserved it." But aren't they Dinesh D'Souza's "traditional Muslims" -- the ones he is exhorting American conservatives to establish an alliance with?
"In Tamil Nadu town, fundamentalists play moral cops, even kill to have way," by Jaya Menon in IndianExpress.com, with thanks to Andrew Bostom:
Melapalayam (Tirunelveli), March 25 : Over a fortnight ago, 35-year-old Mumtaz was killed by a group of young men in Melapalayam in south Tamil Nadu.They murdered her when she was returning from a local beedi company after collecting leaves and tobacco. They accosted her on the road, warned her against a affair she was allegedly having with a married man and the local manager of a beedi company.
She just told them to mind their own business.
They first threw stones at her. Then, some of them came closer and stabbed her. Mumtaz died on the spot.
In Melapalayam, which the police say has been a hotbed of fundamentalism with a strong presence of Al Umma, there has been little outrage.
“Many in the town believe that Mumtaz deserved it,” said Abdul Subahan (18), the district secretary of the student wing of Tamil Nadu Muslim Munnetra Kazham, a political outfit which police think is linked to Al Umma.
Residents of the town say Mumtaz had been given “sufficient warning” to keep away from her “paramour.” But she had not.
Her sister Nabeena said: “People in the town are saying she deserved it. We don’t know what to think.”
Her mother, Zubeida Hussein, who had left her daughter a few months ago after she began receiving threats, said: “Our heads bow in shame.”
The mob murder on March 9 by the self-styled ‘moral police’ was not the first honour killing in this small town. Mumtaz is just the first woman victim.
In August 1997, Selvakumar, a homeopath doctor, was killed for having “relationships” with Muslim women. The same day, 16 Al Umma sympathizers hacked to death two RSS workers who were karsevaks in the Babri Masjid demolition.
• In 2001, Sathyaseelan was murdered by nine Al Umma members for “having contacts with a Muslim woman.”
• Two months ago, three youths, all Al Umma sympathizers, were arrested after they threatened another single woman in the town “on suspicion” that she was having an “illicit” relationship with a married man. “They snatched her mobile phone and extorted Rs. 1,000 from her and told her to behave herself,” says Inspector Stanley Jones, the investigating officer in the Mumtaz murder case.
The Melapalayam town chief, Khaludeen, felt the youths should have brought the case before the local Jamaat. “Only a year back we threw a woman out of the town with her seven-month-old baby boy whom she begot through an illicit relationship,” he said.
According to him, the married man accused of getting her pregnant, had “sworn” on Allah that he was not responsible. “Once a man swears on Allah, we believe him,” said Khaludeen. But the woman had to leave the town.
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"Her sister Nabeena said: “People in the town are saying she deserved it. We don’t know what to think.”
....try....Islam is evil.....
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at March 27, 2007 8:20 AM
Friends of Naseem and Abdullah?
Posted by: Elric66 at March 27, 2007 8:36 AM
Too bad Mumtaz wasn't able to whip out a pistol and defend herself. After all, her attackers deserved it.
Posted by: perpster at March 27, 2007 9:23 AM
"“People in the town are saying she deserved it'
...SAYS a lot about the people in the town.....the town is full of 7th century Islamic retards...
at March 27, 2007 9:26 AM
"Beedi factory..."
-- from the article above
"A beedi (from Hindi बीड़ी, pronounced \ˈbē-dē\; also known as bidi or biri) is a thin, often flavored, South Asian cigarette made of tobacco wrapped in a tendu (or temburini; Diospyros melonoxylon) leaf, and secured with colored thread at one end. Beedies are smaller than regular cigarettes, but more potent. Because they do not have a filter and are wrapped in nonporous leaves, a smoker needs to inhale more often and more deeply to keep them lit. One beedi produces three times more carbon monoxide and nicotine, and five times more tar than a regular cigarette.1 Tobacco content in beedies is 10-20%, and, unlike regular cigarettes, beedies do not contain added chemicals. Like all tobacco products, consumption can cause various cancers.
Beedi-rolling is a very important cottage industry in India. The process of rolling a beedi is very similar to that of a handmade cigarette.
Beedies have long been popular among the poor in Bangladesh, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Sri Lanka, Cambodia and India who can not afford regular cigarettes. In India, 800 billion are smoked every year."
[Wikipedia, which in certain entries need not necessarily be mistrusted]
Posted by: Hugh at March 27, 2007 9:26 AM
"karsevaks in the Babri Masjid demolition...."
"Karsevak Literal: Volunteer for manual labour. Hindu fundamentalist forces of the Sangh Parivar, large groups of Karsevaks were mobilized to demolish Babri Mosque and construct Ram Temple."
The Babri Mosque was deliberately built by Muslim conquerors on top of one of the most holy of Hindu sites (cf. the Byzantine martyrium, with the Arabic-language graffiti claimed to be "Islamic" in nature though there is nothing Qur'anic about it, used to claim for Islam, as supposedly memoralizing the Miraj or Night Journey which was to have begun from "al-masjid al-aksa" and placed, by triumphalist Muslims, right on Temple Mount in Jerusalem, thus killing the claims to that city of the two prior monotheisms, with a few borrowed stones). It was demolished in 1992.
Posted by: Hugh at March 27, 2007 9:37 AM
On many levels, this is not a community of virtuous people, or peaceful people, as Muslims always lay claim to, but a community of violent, bigoted people whose religion has a lot to do with how lives are lived and the accompanied suffering and ignorance. The sister of the murdered woman, as well as her mother, cannot bring themselves to express outrage at the cold-blooded, violent killing of their relative. Perhaps they even rejoice in the killing, which is more disturbing. The police chief interviewed says that when the man in any sort of sexual scandal is called to account, all he has to do is to swear by Allah and he is found innocent. Note to all Islamic apologists in the West: This story and these statements are routine Muslim mores and attitudes, not just confined to isolated villages, and soon to be played out in your own backyard.
Posted by: maryrose at March 27, 2007 10:13 AM
" “They snatched her mobile phone and extorted Rs. 1,000 from her and told her to behave herself,”
...same tactics as the 7th century caravan raiders...attack, rob, extort, intimidate....
Posted by: exsgtbrown at March 27, 2007 10:17 AM
Assalamau laikum all,
The unknowledgable Maryrose makes light of the Police inspector's words "all he has to do is to swear by Allah and he is found innocent."
NO, NEVER...make the mistake that a muslim will touch his holy koran, swear by Allah SWT ..and then lie.
If he/she is a muslim....this won't happen. for the muslim ...the law is not the law of the land...this is man made and fallable.
The muslim does not want to suffer in the hereafter ...or be brought to justice on the day of reckoning....so please...do not make light of such issues.
You judge us by your moral standards...but these differ from islamic ones...you have to understand that.
Destroying a 15th centuary Barbri mosque was a grotesque thing to do...Allah SWT will be displeased....it is a testing time for muslims.
Being a woman I do feel sorry for mumtaz...this is a difficult time for us all.
Posted by: Naseem at March 27, 2007 10:44 AM
It is wrong to take the law into your own hands in Islam. Only a court of Islamic law can hand out the 'right' punishment after going through the evidence (in this case 4 witnesses would have been required). Mob Justice is HARAM because it does not give the victim the right to be Judged by God's Law.
These indians acted out of their emotions and here we go again blaming it on Islam. The fair scapegoat....
May I also add that I do not know what I would have done If any female member of my family was engaged in this sort of illicit sexual activity. I would either go insane or have nothing to do with (her).
Posted by: Abdullah at March 27, 2007 10:54 AM
"You judge us by your moral standards...but these differ from islamic ones...you have to understand that. ""
...some truth here....I know which is better for me....
at March 27, 2007 10:57 AM
It's stories like this that remind me (if ever I could forget) how grateful I am for living in a civilized country. I feel so sorry for these people forced to endure the evils of fascism (in the guise of Islam). No one deserves to be condemned to that kind of life.
Posted by: Seymour Paine at March 27, 2007 10:59 AM
I see our resident jihadists couldnt condem the murder.
Posted by: Elric66 at March 27, 2007 11:18 AM
BEING FEMALE IN ISLAM MEANS NEVER LEAVING HOME ALONE!
sayeth Abdullah:
"It is wrong to take the law into your own hands in Islam. Only a court of Islamic law can hand out the 'right' punishment after going through the evidence (in this case 4 witnesses would have been required).
Hey Abdullah, how many rapes are witnessed by four men? Do Muslims rape out in the open, in front of others? Or should a woman never leave her house alone?
I think I know the answer.
PS. How come only Muslim men are such dogs?
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at March 27, 2007 11:37 AM
Assalamau Laikum Elric66
You say "I see our resident jihadists couldnt condem the murder".
I say ...sod you...I have said before I am a dawaist not a jihadist...and I do wholeheartly condemn the killing.
Until we have a lot of wuslims (white/western convert muslims) within Islam, these things will have an unsavoury edge. Only through wuslims (and growing numbers of Ahmadi muslims) will we start to see a softer edge to Islam...the quicker you peoples convert the quicker we can ALL benefit.
You peoples will finally have a faith and start to have a contol over what womens are created for ...and will have a fine prayer discipline to boot. ....it makes sense ...it's a win win situation.
at March 27, 2007 11:54 AM
Naseem, why do you need "wuslims". Muslims learn from the Qur'an and the teachings of Mo-bomb-ed. It shouldnt matter what race or color a Muslim is. The teachings of Islam are the same.
PS. Islam sucks. It has nothing postive to offer the world. It destroys whatever it touches.
at March 27, 2007 11:58 AM
“Many in the town believe that Mumtaz deserved it,” said Abdul Subahan (18), the district secretary of the student wing of Tamil Nadu Muslim Munnetra Kazham, a political outfit which police think is linked to Al Umma.Reminds me of Muslim chaplains.
Hugh, in the late 80's, I got to meet an American exchange student while he was in India. Just prior to one of his returns to the US, he made sure that he had as many beedis (by the ton), and also as many Indian rupee coins. The dimensions of those coins was identical to US quarters, and at 7 times the value, that was apparently doing wonders for him at washing machines and coke machines.
I doubt one could get away with that today, since many of the more modern scanners even reject newly minted state quarters - to say nothing of identically dimensioned coins of other countries.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at March 27, 2007 12:02 PM
Naseem: NO, NEVER...make the mistake that a muslim will touch his holy koran, swear by Allah SWT ..and then lie.
Except when he is practicing Taqiyya
If he believed he should not be punished, then he may swear whatever he thinks we want to hear, and think himself blameless in his own heart
Posted by: PapaBear at March 27, 2007 12:06 PM
"The dimensions of those coins was identical to US quarters, and at 7 times the value, that was apparently doing wonders for him at washing machines and coke machines."
-- from a posting above
Shhhh.
Next thing you know, you'll be telling me about those bagfuls of 2-drachma pieces.
Listen, we can be overheard.
at March 27, 2007 12:10 PM
"Until we have a lot of wuslims (white/western convert muslims) within Islam, these things will have an unsavoury edge."
...what about the black / western converts? it appears there are many of these (even though, most are prisioners or ex cons)...
are the black / western converts treated equally as the white / western converts?
at March 27, 2007 12:15 PM
I promised myself not to feed the trolls any more, but I have to ask Naseem (who writes quite good English today, I notice) a couple of questions.
1) Why would white Western converts to Islam make things better? Do you think white Western people are superior? That is not what my religion teaches me.
2) You say we will have control over what women were created for. Could you enlighten us to what you think women were created for? I was thought everyone, men and women were created "to do the will of God and thereby go to heaven", but you seem to have other ideas?
And finally, just for curiosity: what exactly does "sod you" mean? You use to claim you are a woman. Is this an expression that women should use?
Posted by: Dixi at March 27, 2007 12:18 PM
Or overread ;->
Posted by: Infidel Pride at March 27, 2007 12:31 PM
Hopefully, I'll live long enough to see the world cleansed of this filty creed. The only thing Moslems respect is power and brutality. Anything less is treated as weakness. Anything less, we deserve what we get; we've had plenty of warning.
Posted by: Seymour Paine at March 27, 2007 12:43 PM
Naseem appears to believe that whites are better than black and brown people. Her great hope is that somehow Islam, whose full welcome as an Ahmadi she has experienced (and there is plenty more where that came from) is hoping that all those nice white people, in England and America, will become "wuslims" and thus change Islam itself.
What she fails to realize is that the problem with Islam is not the race of those who become Muslims, but Islam itself. David Hicks and John Walker Lindh are not converts who raise the moral level or tone of Islam. If anything, Western converts to Islam are, if you study them closely, in almost every case turn out to be psychically or emotionally marginal. There is something lacking in them. They go on a Spiritual Search. They set off on their Magical Mystery Tour. And the tour bus stops here, and it stops there, and finally it stops before a big sign that says "ISLAM" and they descend the steps of the bus, and the doors close with a pneumatic hiss behind them, and the bus takes off, never to return again to pick them up if they change their minds, and there they are, slightly bewildered, but determined to make a go of this brand-new and final effort for them to Make Sense of the Universe, and To Give Meaning to Their Lives, that Islam, that Total System of Regulation, that Complete Explanation of the Universe, offers them.
The racist Naseem should not count on an infusion of whites to become "wuslims" and so, from her point of view, "save Islam" and make it into something nice, something she can live with. It can't be made into something nice. The texts, the teachiings, the attitudes, the atmospherics are there. And it is stupid and cruel to put the blame on the skin color of those who were conquered by Muslims, whether Arabs or, in the case of Naseem's own Hindu or possibly Buddhist ancestors, Turkic or Persian Muslims. The problem has nothing to do with race. It is the belief-system of Islam, and the aggression and violence that so many of the passages in the Qur'an, so many of the stories in the Hadith, so many of the details in the life of Muhammad, uswa hasana, al-insan al-kamil, that are about fighting and killing captives, and assassinating enemies, even enemies guilty of nothing more than a sardonic verse or two.
Wuslims, Muslims. As long as they accept the belief-system of Islam, I'm afraid that Naseem's vision of a kinder, gentler Islam will remain a distant dream.
Here's what Naseem doesn't comprehend. The Western world's people, if they are kindler and gentler (and they are mainly by comparison with Muslims who are occasionally outwardly gentled out of fear, or self-perceived weakness), are because of a spiritual heritage, going way back, that must be linked to Christianity, or to Judeo-Christianity (a recent term, but a more accurate one), that is to the two prior, and far superior, monotheisms, that Islam has been at war with ever since -- as it has been at war with all non-Muslim peoples and faiths.
at March 27, 2007 1:03 PM
Does this mean blacks that become Muslims are Buslims and latins that convert are Luslims? :-)
Posted by: Elric66 at March 27, 2007 1:07 PM
I think myself and a few of my boys need to make a trip down there when I go to India this fall.
-Ayo Gorkhali
at March 27, 2007 1:17 PM
You peoples will finally have a faith and start to have a contol over what womens are created for ...
Posted by Laugh-a-Minute Naseem
Dixi beat me to it, but yes, Naseem, please do give us your take on what "womens" were created for.
at March 27, 2007 1:31 PM
Naseem's racist Orwellian re-write:
"All Muslims are created equal, but some are more equal than others."
Naseem is a bad liar and a racist. She could not help but distinguish lessers (wuslims) who would follow Islam. Darfur is a living breathing example of this reality. Islam is an ideology for the truly despondent.
Posted by: awake at March 27, 2007 1:40 PM
Behead those who insult the Religion-of-Peace®
Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at March 27, 2007 1:51 PM
All the major schools in Islam do not recognise the Ahmadi as Muslims. They believe in Mirza Ghulam ahmed Hussein as their prophet AFTER the seal of prophets, Mohammad bin Abdullah.
Their false prophet has made what is lawful to muslims as such as chicken unlawful and what is unlawful as lawful. He forbide them from taking part in Jihad in the way of Allah...etc I could go on until the cows come home. That prolly explains why Ahmedis think whites are superior to them....Not so with TRUE muslims. Whites are not better than any other race created by Allah.
Someone asked me what I think of the 4 witnesses required to produce a guilty verdict. If a woman can't produce 4 reliable witnesses, then it begs the question, what was she doing in a place alone, locked away with other men unless she is a prostitute?
Allah knows Best
Posted by: Abdullah at March 27, 2007 2:16 PM
Robert Spencer is on the DENNIS MILLER RADIO SHOW on right now link is here:
http://radiotime.com/Search.aspx?ChannelId=57917
Click on the top box that says "Dennis Prager" (I know it says prager but the miller show is playing right now).
Im sure Dennis miller will have it archived. Mark Steyn was on the show earlier as well.
Robert Spencer (quotes and paraphrase of what he is saying right now on the Dennis miller show):
the jihadist think they are fighting a 1400 year old struggle...they are the sons and the grandsons and the greatgrandsons" of those that began that struggle.
People ask me why no such jihad violence 50 years ago 100 years ago --the reason was the colonial powers were so strong they (muslim powers) didnt dare. They dont fight when they are not in a favorable position
--The miller show has just opened call in lines you can talk to our hero!
more paraphrase of Robert Spencer (what he is saying right now):
The parents are the secular (muslims) and its the children who are saying you are not practicing true islam.
Saudis and Khoemenis victory in Iran (which can be laid at the feet of jimmy carter) helped lead to the resurgence of violent islam.
the dennis miller call in line is 1-866-509-RANT if I heard that correctly. Robert is going to be on for another segment.
(PS I am listening online via --link above) --Im assuming this show is live. If its not obviously call in wont work.
just tested the number it only works from US.
---
at March 27, 2007 2:23 PM
"These indians acted out of their emotions and here we go again blaming it on Islam. The fair scapegoat...." - Abdullah
You telling us that Islamic teaching around this sort of case couldnt have done anything to inflame said emotions? Maybe enrage the populace a little??
Posted by: Uriel Septim at March 27, 2007 2:24 PM
IS ALLAH THE SMARTEST GOD?
abdullah says: "Allah knows best."
Abdulla thinks Allah is the SMARTEST GOD? Smarter even than YHWH and smarter than Ganesha and the Great Eagle in the Sky?
========
Abdulla, how do you know your God is smarter than my God?
at March 27, 2007 2:27 PM
Abdullah:
It is wrong to take the law into your own hands in Islam. Only a court of Islamic law can hand out the 'right' punishment after going through the evidence (in this case 4 witnesses would have been required).
You mean 4 male witnesses dont you Abdullah?
That is what the Quran says.
These indians acted out of their emotions and here we go again blaming it on Islam. The fair scapegoat....
I do blame Islam. These Muslims in all likelyhood go to the Mosque every Friday right?
How is it they dont know the requirements of Islamic law? And where did they get the idea to punish her, contrary to Islamic guidelines?
May I also add that I do not know what I would have done If any female member of my family was engaged in this sort of illicit sexual activity. I would either go insane or have nothing to do with (her).
That says more about you and the common Muslim man that anything else. And what would you do if you found it was a male member of your family engaging in illicit sexual activity?
Just grin because it was expected of men?
So lets get this right:
Muslim women have to pure (and if not you will kill them), but it is all right for Muslim men to bugger sheep and camel or dead people, do anything sexually deviant, and they are let off completely free (who knows they are probably praised in Mosques for their actions), no penalties attached to their actions? Dont you have any requirements for men to be pure?
Dont worry - without doing a single thing - judgment is coming to Muslim men who are impure.
In fact it is already here, gaining ground.
It is called : Genital Warts, Syphilis, Hepatitis C, AIDS - all incurable
I have been watching Iran's figures go exponential for quite some time.
The next thing to do is lobby the Western Govenments and make Western medicine is denied to OIC countries - after all you have the Quran, right? It is guidance right? The straight path, right? So there shouldn't be any Muslim men going wrong, doing anything impure, right?
at March 27, 2007 2:29 PM
Abdulla, how do you know your God is smarter than my God?
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at March 27, 2007 02:27 PM
At least the troll admits Allah isnt the Jewish and Christian God.
at March 27, 2007 2:29 PM
“Many in the town believe that Mumtaz deserved it,” said Abdul Subahan
But not the man with her?
For a long time I have thought that Muslim men bully women. They are hypocrites - they expect women to keep standards of purity that they exempt themselves from.
Posted by: UK Infidel Lover
at March 27, 2007 2:32 PM
allah is an ancient pagan arabic moon god. just like zeus and hercules(demi god) was an old pagan god of my people and thor and odin old gods of my girlfriend's people. thor and the gang are all in marvel comics today as they have been abandoned by their traditional followers for much more attractive religions such as christianity!
But those gosh darn mischeivious arabs just didnt want to let ol' allah go.
ancient historical sources of allah exist where that name is used in conjunction with arabia area polytheistic cults (around 1 BC to 500 BC).
Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at March 27, 2007 2:34 PM
allah being much more of a slick operator repackaged himself, bought a new suit (called islam), hired a few PR people (muhammed gives you war booty and women follow us!) and appeared on ALL the talk shows --yes oh yes. A minor cosmic being that JUST couldn't accept a lower paying job appearing in the funny pages (comic books anybody)--no no he CLAWED and fought his/its way out of ancient obsucurity on the bones of many innocents to be championed by lust driven (gotta get my virgins ma' Im off to blow my ass off!) jihadists of today. Zeus and Odin could just kick themselves gawrsh darn it --those marvel cheques from Stan Lee just don't go that far anymore. Meanwhile allah --he gets all the chicks and the bling bling a minor cosmic entity could lust for. yes sireee.
Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at March 27, 2007 2:42 PM
Hey Ynkedoodl2,
Maybe this helps explain Abdullah's attitude.
*~@):~{>
Posted by: Infidel at March 27, 2007 2:46 PM
ps allah is also known by the name satan !
SHHHHHHHHHHH! its a secret. Can you hear the demons laugh? lets give them a religion that FEEDS the lust of the worst in man! want to have sex with little 9 year old girls NO PROBLEMO!
have an itchy trigger finger want to kill alot of people LOOOVE killing do ya' NOOO PROBLEMO!
do you want to be able to lie taqiyaa style and marry your son in laws wife and have a harem and ...NOOO PROBLEM! we got what you WANT join Islam sign on the dotted line ..beside the X in blood --dont mind the brimstone smell.. thank you we will call you ... BIG TOOTHY SMILE. allah loves u!
at March 27, 2007 2:46 PM
QUOTE:
" If a woman can't produce 4 reliable witnesses, then it begs the question, what was she doing in a place alone, locked away with other men unless she is a prostitute?"
DUDE... ITS CALLED KIDNAPPING --its a felony.
DAMMN you allah guys are dense.
How many times have you heard of little girls and women being kidnapped and gang raped? Ever been to East LA?
Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at March 27, 2007 2:53 PM
or thailand ... or Egypt... or the bronx.. or saudi arabia (uh VERY common!) or....
Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at March 27, 2007 2:55 PM
Naseem:
NO, NEVER...make the mistake that a muslim will touch his holy koran, swear by Allah SWT ..and then lie.
You know of Taqiyya Naseem?
Muslims routinely lie to non-Muslims (Muhammad (MHRIHF) did say "War is deceit" 3 times. He sanctioned lying. That is a complete contrast to Christainity where under no circumstances is lying permitted to anyone.
There is no real morality in Islam, just expedience.
The muslim does not want to suffer in the hereafter ...or be brought to justice on the day of reckoning....so please...do not make light of such issues.
Maybe not. But the Muslim is in not a bad position as Allah, false god that he is, gives all these exemption clauses.
You judge us by your moral standards...but these differ from islamic ones...you have to understand that.
I understand perfectly. I understand that Islamic standards of morality are considerably lower than Western ones. Have a look here for proof - from Transparency International.
www.transparency.org/content/download/10672/91340/version/1/file/elmundo_cpi_y-or-re.pdf
Notice that Islamic countries are considerably more corrupt than Western ones. Would you do business in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia?
The least corrupt countries are the Nordic countries: Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark.
So much for what passes as Islamic morality
Being a woman I do feel sorry for mumtaz...this is a difficult time for us all.
She and you would be so much better off if Islam never existed at all. May Allah's curses rain down on Muhammads head in the shape of scorpions.
What a curse for all mankind.
at March 27, 2007 2:56 PM
Quote from Saudi Arabia gang rape case"
"That night, she said, she had left home to retrieve her picture from a male high school student she used to know. She had just been married – but had not moved in with her husband – and did not want her picture to remain with the student.
While the woman was in the car with the student, she said, two men intercepted them, got into the vehicle and drove the couple to a secluded area where the two were separated. She said she was raped by seven men, three of whom also allegedly raped her friend."
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/20061121-1338-saudijustice.html
So they took her AWAY BY FORCE and raped her ... how is she a prostitue? Again: its called KIDNAPPING....sharia law is evil... deal with it.
at March 27, 2007 3:02 PM
I would expect this in a s***hole like Lucknow, Islamic capital of India, but down in good old enlightened South India? Well, even if South India is better than the North, it's pretty clear the Muslim residents of Tamil Nadu are not the enlightened ones. Looks like they, like the rest of the Dar al Islam, are still stuck in the 7th century.
Posted by: wrathofasma at March 27, 2007 3:10 PM
Assalamau Laikum all,
It is sad that some peoples joined the "white" bandwagon and then labelled me racist. Note that I said wuslim (white/western)...the /western I thought encompassed all non-muslims.
So I want to say to the non-white kaffur..sorry if you think that I left you out of wanting you to join the queue to convert....that's not the case...all are welcomen to Islam.
The bottom line is that we all know that in the future Islam will be the global brand of choice...this is Allah's wish...what is there to discuss here?
I am just saying the things I am to EASE the mind of the kaffur.
Posted by: Naseem at March 27, 2007 3:35 PM
I am just saying the things I am to EASE the mind of the kaffur. - Naseem
Don't worry about this Dirty Kafir's mind.
Posted by: Infidel at March 27, 2007 3:44 PM
@nas
You write:
"The bottom line is that we all know that in the future Islam will be the global brand of choice...this is Allah's wish...what is there to discuss here?"
How, exactly, do you know that "this is Allah's wish." What about Yahweh and Yahweh's wishes?
How do you know what is in the future?
How do you know the inner workings of God's mind.
Please don't tell me you read it in a book called the Quraan, because the Quraan is the deranged hallucinations of mass murderer, the fiend muhammad, may his name and memory be erased from the earth.
Now, how again, do you know the will of God?
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at March 27, 2007 3:48 PM
Naseem:
I want to say to the non-white kaffur..sorry if you think that I left you out of wanting you to join the queue to convert....that's not the case...all are welcomen to Islam.
No thank you. I know the truth about Islam and it is plain ugly. What is on offer, is sheer hell - why would anyone want that? And Allah is such a despot, I would never worship him, he is not worth worshipping.
Nasseem, why dont you join the queue for those wanting to leave Islam? It is lengthy. You would get your freedom back.
I call you and Abdullah to leave Islam, leave it for good.
The bottom line is that we all know that in the future Islam will be the global brand of choice...this is Allah's wish...what is there to discuss here?
The fact that by 2100, Islam will be decline.
By then, everyone will know the ugly side of Islam. And it has got an ugly side.
I am just saying the things I am to EASE the mind of the kaffur.
My mind is not at ease Naseem.
I read the Quran, the Hadith and Sira and also learn about the atrocities Muslims have committed in Europe, which they have never apologised for - and basically, I would like to see Muhammad tortured (MHRIHF) and his companions (MTRIHF) for all time. This would be justice - against them.
at March 27, 2007 4:15 PM
@UK Infidel Lover
Me bad! I forgot the "R" was for "rot."
It's fine the way it is.
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at March 27, 2007 4:38 PM
Naseem
Why would I want to be a Muslim? What would I find so attractive that I would want to join your death cult?
at March 27, 2007 4:42 PM
"Someone asked me what I think of the 4 witnesses required to produce a guilty verdict. If a woman can't produce 4 reliable witnesses, then it begs the question, what was she doing in a place alone, locked away with other men unless she is a prostitute?"
Some of us who live in the 21st century actually work, or shop, study, or exercise in places "with other men" without being prostitutes.
But of course, WESTERN men understand the concepts of honor and self control.
From a western female perspective, Muslim men are nasty, brutal, and insane.
at March 27, 2007 4:55 PM
MORE EVIL THAN THE NAZIS!
By Dennis Prager
FrontPageMagazine.com | March 27, 2007
"I never thought we could see a new form of evil. After the gas chambers of the Holocaust, the tens of millions murdered in the Gulag, the forced starvation in the Ukraine, the hideous medical experiments on people by the Germans and the Japanese in World War II, the torture chambers in all police states, I had actually believed that no new forms of evil existed.
"I was wrong."
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Read the rest here:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=27573
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at March 27, 2007 4:59 PM
They first threw stones at her. Then, some of them came closer and stabbed her. Mumtaz died on the spot.
Islam is a totalitarian system. There is no separation of Church and State, and there is no distinction between the Collective and the Individual. A Mohamedan's life is every other Mohamedan's business, and any Mohamedan is vested with the Qur'anic authority to enforce Sharia law.
Posted by: US_infidel at March 27, 2007 6:01 PM
Abdullah
Islam is a very intolerant ideology, and this must be clear even to you. Time and time again we see the most abhorrent behaviour by Muslims against defenceless people, be they women or a man outnumbered by many Muslims, and Muslims justifying it on the basis of the Koran. Your saying otherwise is of no importance or consequence, as murders are being committed using Islamic texts as justification.
You really should think of leaving Islam instead of having to continuously think of excuses to defend the indefensible. Think it over. Many on this site will help you find a more decent belief system, then the one you are now so desperately, and unsuccessfuly, trying to defend.
Posted by: DP111 at March 27, 2007 6:30 PM
Nassem says:
"I am just saying the things I am to EASE the mind of the kaffur."
Why do you assume that my mind is not at ease? I'm self assured and confident in my faith. Muslims are not. Muslim men/boys are insecure bullies that have to take out their insecurity by dominating and brutilizing women and any thing that they percieve weeker than themselves. I'll take the West with its faults any day over your death cult. Same goes for you too, Abdullah.
Posted by: never_submit at March 27, 2007 6:36 PM
They first threw stones at her. Then, some of them came closer and stabbed her. Mumtaz died on the spot.
Stoning - that follows the stoning an adultress. Stabbed her - the treport does not say where she was stabbed, but given the way Muslim follow the letter of the Islamic law, she probably had her throat slit.
When it comes to the depravity of Islam - like deliberately putting three children in a car to allay suspicion, then blowing it up, imaginative depravity come a poor second to real Islamic depravity.
Posted by: DP111 at March 27, 2007 6:40 PM
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
Funny how the Mohammedans censored that saying of "Isa"(Jesus) out of their plagiarized "religion" that supposedly claims Jesus ("Isa") as one of their great prophets.
Along with every other decent, intelligent, witty, wise and loving thing he ever said.
Replaced by the paranoid dementia of the pedophile
Islam is lame.
Posted by: profitsbeard at March 27, 2007 7:11 PM
Some rough stats on Tamil Nadu - circa 2001. 'Tamil Nadu' - India's most south-easterly state, close to Sri Lanka. Well-watered; strong agricultural economy. Main city = Chennai (formerly Madras). Religions: Hindu about 88.6 % of pop., Christians about 5.7%, Muslims about 5.5 % (probably higher by now, 5 years later; but the Christians were growing pretty fast too, by all accounts, and NOT by waving murder weapons and screaming at people); 'other' about 0.2 %.
And yet: Muslims feel entitled to enforce the ugliest aspects of sharia on a defenceless woman in a Tamil Nadu town, in an Indian state where Muslims form probably no more than around 6 % of the population. Gee - what a way to show their neighbours the 'beauties' of Islam, NOT.
Note to Hindus and Christians in T. N: together you outnumber the Muslims big-time. Team up and enforce civilized codes of behaviour! Don't let them run you out of town like they're doing to the Buddhists in Southern Thailand.
at March 27, 2007 8:15 PM
You know, there's no proof that this woman did anything wrong anyway. She was "tried and found guilty" only by the local rumor mill. She may just have been an industrious woman faced with neighborhood busybodies jealous of her "success". Apparently all it takes is an accusation, then the local bullies feel free to jump in & attack whoever is out of favor. Shades of "The Lottery"! (See Wikipedia "a short story by Shirley Jackson, first published in the June 28, 1948 issue of The New Yorker. Its primary themes are scapegoating, man's inherent evil, and the destructive nature of observing ancient, outdated rituals.")
From the article cited in IndianExpress:
Said Dr Bhagat Singh, the TMMK’s district secretary: “The youths (accused of killing Mumtaz) should not have taken law into their hands. They read the Quran and make their own interpretations. To prevent such incidents, the Government should introduce the practice of stoning immoral women to death. Many Middle-East countries follow this practice and keep women under check. That’s the only way to handle such issues.”
So, to keep mobs from stoning women he thinks the GOVERNMENT should be stoning women?!?
I begin to think "civilization" is actually very rare in the world...
at March 27, 2007 8:25 PM
Her great hope is that somehow Islam, whose full welcome as an Ahmadi she has experienced (and there is plenty more where that came from) is hoping that all those nice white people, in England and America, will become "wuslims" and thus change Islam itself.
......
Hugh
Actually seemziez is even more benign than that. In her vision the west goes ahmadi and this gives them the leverage to deal with their nastier co-religionists. We would still be nice guys and still not, like, do the jihad or anything. She is desperately crying out for anyone to understand that the ahmadiya are peaceful.
Unfortunately, in this she is a useful idiot for the nasty muslims like (phoney) Abdullah, who pronounced takfir on our beloved seemziez right here in this thread.
Aside from that she is disturbed by what she perceives as the sexual immorality of a 'west gone wild'.
Come on seemziez. You know t bugs you because in tour sweet little heart you too want to be a muslimah gone wild! Give it up for nabi ZK there sweetie.
nabi ZK
Posted by: zonie kafir at March 27, 2007 8:34 PM
You can see Dinesh’s traditional peaceful Muslims in action in areas in which they have a majority. Indian laws, traditions, culture be damned, only the writ of the 7th century savage Muslim Arabs applies. I can see India turning into a Lebanon where the minority Muslims becomes a majority and then they start throwing their weight around.
Posted by: desidude at March 27, 2007 10:00 PM
"Someone asked me what I think of the 4 witnesses required to produce a guilty verdict. If a woman can't produce 4 reliable witnesses, then it begs the question, what was she doing in a place alone, locked away with other men unless she is a prostitute?" says Abdullah.
You just can't contemplate that perhaps a woman was grabbed (forcefully) and gang raped?
But even then its still her fault, eh Abdullah?
The fact of the matter,Abdullah, is mussie males just can't control their sexual feelings.
In an islamic society there is no reason to control you're selves because it will always remain the women's fault.
Now,Abdullah, I recommend that you don't ask how I know but I'll just say I've had a lot of experience with you're lot when it comes to rape.
It still amazes me that women in islam are so brainwashed into believing the word of a CHILD MOLESTER (Naseem).
Why do you mobots come to the West if you hate us so much?
We don't go to you're revolting,festering pig sties to change it ( Iraq is a dead loss ).
Trolls be gone....
D.T.
at March 27, 2007 10:07 PM
Stop claiming Muslims hate you. They don't hate you per se. They hate the 'disbelief' 'kufr' that you carry in your chests which is the source of all problems in this world. Didn't Jesus say, 'by their fruits ye shall know them?'
1)Believe in One God, the angels, all the prophets, all the books, the last day and decree (good or bad)
2)Don't eat pork or drink alcohol
3)Don't have sex outside of marriage
4)pray five times a day, Fast the month of Ramadhan give zakat (charity) to the poor
How truthful was Isa, son of maryam (May Allah rest you in peace until the day you die)
Posted by: Abdullah at March 27, 2007 10:33 PM
When Muslims talk about sexual morality I always feel like laughing out loud: I once lived in an East London bedsit that meant I had to share a kitchen with three Muslims who lived in rooms adjacent or opposite mine. At one point they wanted to make one of the two available WC's Muslim only but I objected and the landlord, who was a Sikh told them to go to hell.
It didn't happen all that often, but presumably a build up of frustration would lead one of of them to tip toe, in the dead of night, to the room of the guy living next to mine. There is passage in Proust's 'Swann's Way' where noises to the ones that emerged from the room are described. The very memory makes me shudder. Gavin Maxwell, in his book on the Marsh Arabs remarks on the extreme discretion with which the young males used each other for sexual satisfaction, while feeling obliged to murder their sisters if their sexual purity came under any sort of a shadow.
at March 27, 2007 10:43 PM
(phoney) Ab-dullard
Was that Isa son of maryam sister of Arron? LOL
Anyhow pig, how dare you come in here and call our beloved seemziez a non-mohametan. You have a lot of nerve and will face a grevious penalty in the next life in addition to being called a pig in this life by me, nabi ZK.
signs point to the affirmative
nabi ZK
Posted by: zonie kafir at March 27, 2007 10:46 PM
wallyUK
First of all there is no way of varifying your 'claims'. They can't stand in a court concerned with evidence. Besides you have every reason to discredit Islam (aren't you an Islamophobe)?
Secondly, in our religion, nevermind what a few bad apples do, condemns sexual pervertedness the like practised in churches, synagogues, brothels, clubs etc.
Posted by: Abdullah at March 27, 2007 10:55 PM
Abdullah,
This is not a court of law, I'm simply recounting part of my experience of mixing with many Muslims. In fact I don't tell too much in case they realise who I am. There is no such thing as an 'islamophobe'- a tendentious term invented by people who think that anyone who dislikes Islamic values is irrational: i.e. by Muslims - I am a patriot, a lover of freedom and a believer in the equality of women and men - there isn't a word for people with a phobia against the things I believe in, but I'm fairly certain you are one of them.
at March 28, 2007 12:17 AM
Abdullah wrote:
"Someone asked me what I think of the 4 witnesses required to produce a guilty verdict. If a woman can't produce 4 reliable witnesses, then it begs the question, what was she doing in a place alone, locked away with other men unless she is a prostitute?"
Abdullah,
What if a woman is at home, properly "locked away", with her young daughter, and her house is invaded, and she is raped? Without the available 4 eye witnesses, does she just endure the rape, fearing to report it on the chance she will be punished as an adulterer, or can you make the claim that it could never happen in a morally superior Islamic society? Is rape just one of the West's afflictions alone, not suffered by the male Islamist in Islamic societies?
And please, while you're at it, answer this:
According to your rule # 3 above:
3)Don't have sex outside of marriage
Tell me then, is it a natural response for the male Islamist to deal with a morally-depraved prostitute, by raping her, hence, having forced sex with her outside of marriage?
Was little Aisha, at all of 9 years old, able to comprehend the forced marital relations with her "perfect man", or might have she felt as if she was being raped? This is of course assuming that her feelings were even relevant. Were they? Do women have any say in Islam?
For Allah's sake, please help me to understand!!
Posted by: awake at March 28, 2007 12:19 AM
@ Abdullah
You condemn sexual perversion???? What are you talking about? All you muslims follow the teachings of the biggest rapist pedophile on earth....MOHAMMED!!! He banged Aisha when she was like 9 years old. Maybe thats normal for savages like you but not for the rest of the civilized world that has morals.
And when you guys supposedly go to heaven, its not for spirituality, nope. You guys think you're gonna go there and have a *%$#ing ORGY???? That is so messed up. I mean let alone the 72 whatever virgins, you got young boys in the picture too, I mean talk about greedy. So you guys believe in a bisexual heaven with no spirituality, as if God wants to watch you guys get your jollies only because you were to busy smacking your monkey. Get real, even your idea of heaven is perverted.
A few bad apples????? Gee, why is it that everywhere in the world, in every country, Muslims are doing more terrorism, rape and other atrocities. It seems you have only a few good apples.
Thank god my forefathers kicked your ass over a 1300 year struggle not to become a rabid muslim pig. Yes, we kicked your ass in India and it still bugs the shit out of you, couldn't establish your Dar-ul-Islam in the land of a million Gods!!!! Go Rajputs!!!
At least I can trace my faith to an ancient past, older than perhaps any, while you trace your beginnings to a pedophile rapist named Mohound.
You are sick and definitely need psychiatric help like the rest of your rabid brothers for following the biggest pervert in history.
And whats all this Islamaphobe crap, its more like we don't like perverted terrorists, thats it, you have a problem with it, thats fine, I'll just call you a moron.
Jai Mahakali!!!
-Ayo Gorkhali!!!!
Posted by: Gorkhali at March 28, 2007 12:22 AM
Abdullah
Being afraid of a butterfly is a phobia - an irrational fear. Being afraid of a wasp is not.
Similarly, being afraid of Jews/Christians/Buddhists/Hindus/Shintos/Rastafarians would be a phobia. Being afraid of Muslims is not.
Conclusion: there is no such thing as an Islamophobe: that's a media invention by CAIR and other such al Qaeda associations.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at March 28, 2007 12:24 AM
THE ALLIES SHALL WIN quoted
Quote from Saudi Arabia gang rape case: That night, she said, she had left home to retrieve her picture from a male high school student she used to know. She had just been married – but had not moved in with her husband – and did not want her picture to remain with the student.
Why would she let a male friend, who was not her husband, have a picture of her? Abdullah is right, she was a prostitute, she deserved to be punished. The seven men who raped her were merely carrying out the wishes of Allah, and were emulating Muhammad, the Perfect Man, who kidnapped and raped more than a few women in his time too. Islam makes perfect sense.
Posted by: special_guest at March 28, 2007 1:34 AM
Abdulla, how do you know your God is smarter than my God?
Because Allah said so.
Posted by: special_guest at March 28, 2007 1:56 AM
desidude,
Oh God forbid big massive India turns into a Lebanon. Lebanon is a small country, and look how chaotic their civil war was. I suspect something like this will start in Lucknow, which I said earlier is the Islamic capital of India. I don't know why my relatives moved from Chennai to piss poor Lucknow. The Mughal-era ruins are in bad condition and there is not much to do in the city. Sahara Ganj gets boring after a while. I hope my relatives get the hell out of that s***hole when (not if) trouble starts.
Posted by: wrathofasma at March 28, 2007 2:45 AM
@special_guest:
Isn't Allah the famous Porn Star of Mecca?
Posted by: Gorkhali at March 28, 2007 3:18 AM
Assalamau Laikum wrathofosama,
You say "I don't know why my relatives moved from Chennai to piss poor Lucknow".
Your relatives are far far cleverer than you...they have seen the lilght of Islam and have been attracted to it like a moth to strong light in the middel of the night.
You say The Mughal-era ruins are in bad condition.
Well then help your relatives and friends collect up and get it fixed...these are too important....Allah SWT will reward your sweat.
You say and there is not much to do in the city. Sahara Ganj gets boring after a while.
Moan Moan Moan....well get in there and sort it...I heard juma-ki-raat is kinda special there!
Posted by: Naseem at March 28, 2007 5:35 AM
Assalamau Laikum Abdullah,
It is good to hear from a brother of the deen...Abdullah welcome to JW...perhaps together we can show the Kaffur what they are missing by not converting to Islam.
We have both seen the light of Islam...and I know there are a few sandgrains of differences in our belief of Islam...please let us not hightlight these in public...that is only distracting the kaffur from our precious dawa.
Allah Kher deeni brother
Posted by: Naseem at March 28, 2007 5:40 AM
“Once a man swears on Allah, we believe him,” said Khaludeen. But the woman had to leave the town.
I presume if a woman swears on Allah, she gets murdered. Why do we allow these creatures to breathe the same air we do?
at March 28, 2007 5:59 AM
"Secondly, in our religion, nevermind what a few bad apples do, condemns sexual pervertedness the like practised in churches, synagogues, brothels, clubs etc. "
......can you provide an example of sexual pervertedness performed or practiced in a church or synagogue?.....
...I have been to churches, synagogues, brothels and clubs.....and I have noticed that churches and synagogues have vastly different agendas than brothels and clubs....however, all have one thing in common....very few Muslims....I have not seen Muslims in the churches and synagogues, but I have seen Muslims in brothels and clubs...Maybe the Muslims were trying to convert some of the low life types who frequent brothels or clubs....or maybe they were having a little fun without telling their Islamic death clerics...
...in a brothel you can have sex without raping anyone, if the woman does not please you, you can go get another one..no need to get your turban in an uproar...anyone going to a brothel or working in one is not concerned with going to a heaven (if there is one) and they certainly are not interested in being forced to follow the insipid 7th century Sharia law.
...In a club you can have a good time, meet new people and dance to the music without being forced to endure weapons training, execution techniques, or listen to some bi-spectacled, finger pointing, bearded crazed Islamic cleric shouting death to everything...
....In churches and synagogues people pray to the god of their choice (a practice that is being ethnically cleansed in Muslim countries..in Muslim countries other religions are systematically being erased)...Other religions is one of the things Muslims abhor the most....In all the religions of the world, only Islam seeks to destroy other religions....only Islam seeks to occupy the land of others...only Islam sends out suicide bombers...only Islam holds violent protests...only Islam seeks out and executes its own people...only Islam violently enforces its own law...only Islam kill those who leave its religion...only Islam forces others to convert at gunpoint...only Islam seeks to control the minds and the lives of its followers...only Islam honors death above life...
Posted by: exsgtbrown at March 28, 2007 6:43 AM
Assalamau Laikum Abdullah,
It is good to hear from a brother of the deen...Abdullah welcome to JW...perhaps together we can show the Kaffur what they are missing by not converting to Islam.
We have both seen the light of Islam...and I know there are a few sandgrains of differences in our belief of Islam...please let us not hightlight these in public...that is only distracting the kaffur from our precious dawa.
Allah Kher deeni brother
Posted by: Naseem at March 28, 2007 05:40 AM
Please tell us ignorant kaffirs what we are missing by not converting to your death cult.
at March 28, 2007 7:25 AM
D.T. wrote:
"The fact of the matter,Abdullah, is mussie males just can't control their sexual feelings.
In an islamic society there is no reason to control you're selves because it will always remain the women's fault."
In Saudi Arabia, the "sorcery and black magic" defense is common: "She used sorcery and black magic on me and I was powerless to resist."
Judging from newspaper articles, this defense is used when a wife catches her husband with their maid.
This is one of the variations of the Muslim "It's always someone else's fault" defense.
at March 28, 2007 8:48 AM
Ab and Nas:
"By their fruits ye shall know them"
Exactly so! We see the fruits of Islam every day!
The "few bad apples" suggest to us that the entire tree is diseased. Therefore it is fit for nothing but to be cut down and burned,and the ground purified before replanting.
at March 28, 2007 8:57 AM
Careful there seemziez. Abdullah is real particular about his mohametanism. Could be a head chopper.
your enemy
nabi ZK
Posted by: zonie kafir at March 28, 2007 9:32 AM
Abdulla(rd)
Don't trust seemziez! She just skips suras she doesn't like and she doesn't even believe that Isa was born of a virginal Maryam, as if Arron's sister had to have sex in order to concieve. What a heretic! Not sure but I think you may have to apply 'allah's punishment' on seemzies.
your total enemy
nabi ZK
Posted by: zonie kafir at March 28, 2007 10:24 AM
Assalamau Laikum Yoni Kafir,
What you are trying to do is transparent. Abdullah may have some misgiving with Ahmadi ...but that does not compare to anything that filthy kaffur like you have to offer.
Ahmadi have already stepped into Islam...YOU are the one who needs help!
Posted by: Naseem at March 28, 2007 10:49 AM
Assalamau Laikum Yoni Kafir,
What you are trying to do is transparent. Abdullah may have some misgiving with Ahmadi ...but that does not compare to anything that filthy kaffur like you have to offer.
Ahmadi have already stepped into Islam...YOU are the one who needs help!
Posted by: Naseem at March 28, 2007 10:49 AM
Why are Muslims so intolerant towards non Muslims Naseem? Is it because the Qur'an demands it?
at March 28, 2007 10:53 AM
of course a regular muslim would have "misgivings" about Ahmadi --Ahmadi 'muslims' arent even allowed on pilgrimage to Mecca! Thats how 'real' they are considered by other muslims.
Abdullah welcome to JW...perhaps together we can show the Kaffur what they are missing by not converting to Islam
missing out uh yeah ...4 wives for an orgy ...one of them 9 years old .... Id have to be a sick pedophile to consider that "missing out"
If Abdulla is a sunni or mainstream shiite he would rightly help cut her head off for believing in the false prophet ahmayidii !
Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at March 28, 2007 11:39 AM
Assalamau Laikum Allies,
You say If Abdulla is a sunni or mainstream shiite he would rightly help cut her head off for believing in the false prophet ahmayidii !
So what about it Abdullah! Are you going to let peoples here talk like that about you and Islam here.
Tell them that islam is peaceful...tolerant...and in tell them that YOU in particular have no wish to cut my head head off.
Tell them that brother of the deen....Islam is peaceful.
Posted by: Naseem at March 28, 2007 12:13 PM
Assalamau Laikum Allies,
You say If Abdulla is a sunni or mainstream shiite he would rightly help cut her head off for believing in the false prophet ahmayidii !
So what about it Abdullah! Are you going to let peoples here talk like that about you and Islam here.
Tell them that islam is peaceful...tolerant...and in tell them that YOU in particular have no wish to cut my head head off.
Tell them that brother of the deen....Islam is peaceful.
Posted by: Naseem at March 28, 2007 12:13 PM
We know Islam's history and unholy text. There is nothing peaceful about Islam. You fool no one Naseem.
Posted by: Elric66 at March 28, 2007 12:18 PM
This Abdullah vs. Naseem 'Ahmadiyas are Muslims' exchange is beyond entertaining.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at March 28, 2007 12:30 PM
Naseem, these people are deaf and blind. Your calls are falling on hard hearts. I doubt they will ever revert to Islam. They wish to die in Kufr. And you know whoever dies in Kufr, paradise is forbidden unto him/her
at March 28, 2007 1:37 PM
This Abdullah vs. Naseem 'Ahmadiyas are Muslims' exchange is beyond entertaining.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at March 28, 2007 12:30 PM
It is a keen insight into the mind of the enemy though.
Posted by: Elric66 at March 28, 2007 1:52 PM
Abdullah and Naseem,
Do I detect a budding romance here? Please invite me to the wedding.
On a more serious note, although I am one of the most critical posters here about the inherent excesses of Islam (I actually attended a madrassa while studying different religions) so mine is not a blind prejudice. I have actually lived in Pakistan and like the place. In fact I was Peshawar during the '80s helping the Mujahideen fight the Soviets. I believe Pakistan could be a prosperous and peaceful world leader if it were to abandon its backward Deobandi form of Islam and become Ismaili or something like that. The Ismailis truly are enlightened Muslims (if you can call them Muslims by today's standards) and I am saddened by how these wonderful people are so persecuted in Pakistan.
Posted by: Provoslavni at March 28, 2007 2:18 PM
What you are trying to do is transparent.
....
What? Who me?
- I plausibly deny that
nabi ZK
Posted by: zonie kafir at March 28, 2007 2:57 PM
tell them that YOU in particular have no wish to cut my head head off.
...
Well dullard? Are you prepared to go that
far?
seemziez, don't trust him He's a chopper for sure.
believe it of get yer head chopped
nabi ZK
at March 28, 2007 3:02 PM
I doubt they will ever revert to Islam.
....
dullard catches on quick.
nabi ZK
Posted by: zonie kafir at March 28, 2007 3:03 PM
(Ab)dullard
leave hell in your dreams of yesterday and find paradise where your stand. if you can not find paradise here and now, while living, then you will surely not find it in death.
words of wisdom from....
nabi ZK
Posted by: zonie kafir at March 28, 2007 3:16 PM
Abdullah, Naseem,
You realise that if you want indulge yourselves with each other, you are better off leaving Islam?
at March 28, 2007 3:57 PM
Just as long as they don't put on bomb belts, right?
Posted by: Seymour Paine at March 28, 2007 4:04 PM
islam - the cult you can't refuse.
Posted by: Allahfanculo at March 28, 2007 9:02 PM
Waalacum Salaam Begum Naseem,
Ha, ha! I, a dirty kufaar, just used a Muslim greeting. And the best part is I won't get arrested like many Pakistani Christians and Hindus do in your "beautiful" country. The land of the "pure".
And as for my relatives moving to Lucknow? They didn't move there because they saw the light of Islam. They are Christians and they always will be, thank God. My Christian grandmother was born and raised in Lucknow and wanted to go back. My cousins hate Lucknow as much as I do, but my Nani is old and she wants to live out her last days in her hometown. She will never see the "light" of Islam.
And here's another little tidbit. My great-grandparents were Muslims when they converted to Christianity. So much for the light of Islam.
Regards,
M.Ram (aka wrathofasma)
at March 28, 2007 9:37 PM
Abdullah, are you a bootmaker by any chance?
Posted by: rookie at March 28, 2007 10:47 PM
UK Infidel Lover: Wrote
Abdullah, Naseem,
You realise that if you want indulge yourselves with each other, you are better off leaving Islam?
You want me to leave the path of God for something not worth the light of day (Naseem - don't take it personally) I am just trying to tell these idiots life is not Just about banging at any cost! We can marry and still keep our religion but I don't know Naseem's religion. If she is a Muslim or a practising chaste people of the book only then will I consider her hand.
at March 28, 2007 11:25 PM
zonie kafir: Naseem just called you a very rude name! Look up translation of "Yoni" (or read The Perfumed Garden ) If I tell you I will be banned quicker than Naseem can get her boots heeled.
Posted by: rookie at March 28, 2007 11:36 PM
Wrathofasma
I have a special respect for people who bail out of islam, and your great-grandparents just got added to that list.
I've been to Lucknow once - pretty drab place. Dunno why that had to be the capital of UP, when you have Kanpur, Meerut, Allahabad (someone please rename that Prayag), Varanasi, Mathura, Hardwar, Jhansi,... and these days Gurgaon.
Also, why does Vajpayee keep running from that constituency?
Posted by: Infidel Pride at March 29, 2007 2:12 AM
I am just trying to tell these idiots life is not Just about banging at any cost!Exactly, that's what jihad and becoming shahid is all about - the 72 houris and all the rest.
We can marry and still keep our religion...as long as it's Islam
but I don't know Naseem's religion. If she is a Muslim or a practising chaste people of the book only then will I consider her hand. Posted by: AbdullahShe's an Ahmadiya widow (assuming of course she's what she says she is).
And on that topic, tell us, Abdullah, are Ahmadiya and Bahai higher or lower in stature than 'ahl-al-kittab'? How about in comparison to other pagans? Or Shia? (I'll go with your Islamic definition of pagans for now)
Posted by: Infidel Pride at March 29, 2007 2:20 AM
Infidel Pride,
Gurgaon sounds like a better capital. Varanasi is too holy a city (at least for Hindus). Lucknow is just a Fallujah or Sadr City waiting to happen. My cousins told me there were significant riots during the Mohammed cartoon crisis. A Domino's pizza place was burnt. And I think local mullahs passed down a fatwa for the death of Taslima Nasreen. Right now they're pretty much confined to their ghettoes but if they grow in number pretty fast, well...
Posted by: wrathofasma at March 29, 2007 3:00 AM
Tell them that islam is peaceful...tolerant...and in tell them that YOU in particular have no wish to cut my head head off.
Tell them that brother of the deen....Islam is peaceful.
Posted by: Naseem at March 28, 2007 12:13 PM
Oh yes he'll tell us whatever we and YOU want to hear Nasem! But unless you convert to mainstream islam he and all good muslims will want to cut your head off or AT LEAST do this to you:
http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/6.htm
that lady was also a heretic like YOU. allah will not help you according to the Quran he commands that people like you be killed. Welcome to the club.
Naseem the 'kafiir' will not convert to your death cult because islam is a sham and allah offers only hellfire. A virgin orgy? Sounds like what Satan would promise.
If you really want to save your soul turn to Christ accept his death for your sins. Good luck otherwise trying to be 'good' earning your own salvation under the justice scales of Allah. Where will they tip when you die--you dont know. You have no peace in your heart.
A woman with dirty hands cannot build a clean house.
No matter how many good works you do they will never be good enough, high enough, righteous enough. Christ on the other hand is a sinless one who died on your behalf so you dont have to earn your own salvation. I invite you to turn from the darkness and certain hellfire that is Islam and come to the light of Christ and save yourself.
I dare you to believe the truth.
Now I dont want to give the impression we are all Christians here (many of us and Robert Spencer himself) are Christians. for my fellow agnostic kafir --pardon my religious preaching but I simply cannot stand by and have this woman preach her lies about 'coming to Islam'.
In Islam you try and try and work and work and cover yourself and fast and work and you will NEVER tip the scales of Allah in your favor... of course if you are willing to 1) die on the pilgrimage to mecca (which ahmadis cant do anyway)
or
2)die while FIGHTING for allah (aka jihad)then you can go to the 'heaven' allah promises.
Well naseem are you willing to kill innocent kafir to gain heaven? Or do you want to accept it as a gift from Christ? Which will enable you to live a godly life not one which is simply a sham under a burqa.
The choice is yours.
Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at March 29, 2007 11:55 AM
The scales of Allah are only tipped by jihad fighting:
Quran (4:95, 96)
"Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth AND THEIR LIVES. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home). Unto each, Allah has promised good (Jannah), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and FIGHT, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward. Degrees of (higher) grades from Him, and forgiveness and mercy. And Allah is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.'' (4:95, 96)
Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at March 29, 2007 11:58 AM
Quran (2:216)
"Jihad (holy fighting in Allah's Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims) THOUGH YOU DISLIKE IT, and it may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you like a thing which is bad for you. Allah knows but you do not know.'' (2:216)
Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at March 29, 2007 12:00 PM
QURAN (61:10-13)
"O you who believe! Shall I guide you to a trade that will save you from a painful torment? That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad (PBUH)), and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives: that will be better for you, if you but know! (If you do so) He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow, and pleasant dwellings in `Adn (Eden) Jannah; that is indeed the great success. And also (He will give you) another (blessing) which you love: help from Allah (against your enemies) and a near victory. And give glad tidings (O Muhammad (PBUH)) to the believers.'' (61:10-13)
Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
Qur'an:9:112 "The Believers fight in Allah's Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed."
Qur'an:9:29 "Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission."
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